IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2012-02-07

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pitillomorning01:11
v33mornin'01:18
pitillo:)01:18
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Romstermorning03:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: hedgewars: 0.9.16 -> 0.9.1703:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: help2man: 1.40.4 -> 1.40.503:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: libfaketime: 0.8.1 -> 0.9.103:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: libshout: 2.2.2 -> 2.3.003:22
Romsterall aboard the morning train03:22
nogagplzbedtime goodnight03:29
Romsteri did that last night at this hour.03:29
Romsterpissed off at car needing more money to fix it again...03:35
Romsteralways something breaking down.03:36
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: videotrans: some recent change made man pages goto /usr/share/man03:40
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: p5-io-socket-ssl: 1.53 -> 1.5404:15
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: p5-text-csv-xs: 0.85 -> 0.8604:15
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: p5-xml-writer: 0.612 -> 0.61504:15
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teK_err..04:35
teK_hello.04:35
frinnstcommon typo04:35
teK_once in a while irssi receives SIGALRM and dies04:36
teK_fuuu04:36
frinnstoh?04:36
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: rrdtool: 1.4.5 -> 1.4.704:44
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: thttpd: adjust md5sum04:45
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frinnstteK_: thttpd has a md5sum missmatch07:09
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joe9anyone knows when the next glibc release will be?07:38
joe9the current version seems geared towards linux kernel 2.6.3507:39
frinnstwhat do you mean? upstream?07:40
frinnst2.15 is out, but it's crap07:40
joe9frinnst, in the Pkgfile, I see "http://crux.nu/files/distfiles/kernel-headers-2.6.35.tar.xz"07:40
frinnstyes07:41
joe9mdadm 3.2.3 segfaults on my machine.07:41
joe9and I am suspecting that it might have to do with the old libc07:41
joe9it segfaults in libc-2.12.2 (I think).07:41
joe9i am on kernel 3.2.107:42
frinnstshould not be related07:42
joe9[    4.992551] mdadm[206]: segfault at 0 ip b76197a1 sp bff0e364 error 4 in libc-2.12.2.so[b75a6000+155000]07:43
frinnstjust "bumping glibc" will cause all sorts of issues, its not something you easily can do07:43
frinnstbut sure, you could always do it yourself and see if it fixes your segfaults07:44
joe9it seems to be more involved than a simple version bump.07:45
joe9i agree with you on that and hence wanted to check if there are any plans for an official bump.07:45
frinnstwith the next crux release.. but there are major issues with glibc 2.14 and 2.1507:45
frinnstI run 2.15 at home.. its a pain :)07:46
joe9jue, can you please remove rc from your collection? prt-get diff --prefer-higher  gives this always. "rc                  2.26-1              20120120-1" Though, the rc in your collection is vastly different (imho) from the official rc.07:47
joe9frinnst: ok, will have to wait for the next crux release then.07:47
frinnstjoe9 use "prt-get lock rc"07:47
joe9anyone knows when the next crux release is expected?07:47
frinnstjoe9: when glibc becomes usable :)07:47
frinnstits pretty much the only blocker07:48
frinnstthats why 2.7.1 was released with the old toolchain07:48
joe9frinnst: but, I want the ability to upgrade rc from the official repo, when it upgrades.07:48
frinnstjoe9: you can easily unlock it. besides, rc is not a port that gets updated a lot07:48
joe9Do I have to do anything to upgrade to 2.7.1? I think I installed 2.7 and always do a ports --update and prt-get update on any changes.07:50
frinnstno, 2.7.1 was only a "refreshed" iso07:50
frinnstno changes in the repos07:50
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joe9romster, jaeger, what libc version are you using?07:53
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joe9frinnst: thanks.07:55
joe9frinnst: the problem is noone else is complaining about mdadm 3.2.3 release except me. It seems to be working fine for everyone else.07:58
joe9frinnst: any suggestions on how to debug/fix?07:58
frinnstgdb?08:00
joe9frinnst: i compile the exe with -g and check out the core dump, you mean?08:16
frinnstyeah08:18
joe9any reason why crux uses -O2 and not -O3?08:21
frinnstits a "sane default"08:21
joe9ok, thanks.08:21
jaegerYou are free to change it on your own system, of course!08:22
joe9jaeger: ok, thanks. has anyone tried -O3? I would be a bit nervous to be the first one trying it (given that I am not good at troubleshooting random things that might break).08:23
jaegerjoe9: 2.12.2-308:23
joe9jaeger: thanks.08:23
jaegerI haven't used it recently but have in the past08:23
jaeger-O3 that is08:23
joe9jaeger: how did you get the 3 release?08:23
joe9http://codepad.org/RTnb8xcf08:24
jaegerjoe9: it's from the multilib repo08:24
joe9is my glibc version.08:24
joe9jaeger: are most of the folks on multilib repo? or, is yours an exception?08:28
jaegerThere are only a few of us using it as far as I know. Me, Romster, nogagplz, and I think frinnst and jue might be testing it08:28
joe9ok, thanks.08:28
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joe9I added -g to this line of the Pkgfile: make CXFLAGS="$CFLAGS -g" all mdadm.static, but, I still find that the file /sbin/mdadm.static says stripped.09:09
joe9Is there something in crux that does the stripping automatically?09:09
joe9+ make 'CXFLAGS=-O2 -march=i686 -pipe -g' all mdadm.static09:09
joe9gcc -Wall -Werror -Wstrict-prototypes -Wextra -Wno-unused-parameter -O2 -march=i686 -pipe -g -DSendmail=\""/usr/sbin/sendmail -t"\" -DCONFFILE=\"/etc/mdadm.conf\" -DCONFFILE2=\"/etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf\" -DMAP_DIR=\"/dev/.mdadm\" -DMAP_FILE=\"map\" -DMDMON_DIR=\"/dev/.mdadm\" -DFAILED_SLOTS_DIR=\"/dev/.mdadm/failed-slots\" -DUSE_PTHREADS   -c -o mdadm.o mdadm.c09:09
joe9this is from the build log.09:09
joe9I can see the -g that I added, but, somehow the executable says: /sbin/mdadm.static --version09:10
joe9mdadm - v3.2.3 - 23rd December 201109:10
joe9file /sbin/mdadm.static09:10
joe9/sbin/mdadm.static: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.27, stripped09:10
joe9any thoughts, please?09:10
joe9I am trying to build an executable whose core I can examine. the core generated with this executable, says "no debugging symbols found"09:11
jaegerjoe9: pkgmk -ns09:13
jaeger--no-strip09:13
joe9jaeger:  thanks.09:14
jaegerwelcome09:14
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joe9this is the backtrace of the segfaulting mdadm on my machine: http://codepad.org/hh0FiGHH09:29
joe9wondering if it makes sense to anyone.09:30
jaegerNot to me, sorry09:31
juejoe9: yeah, rc in my repo is a complete new thing, but should work nice if you don't reject /etc/{inittab,rc.conf}09:41
joe9jue, oh, ok. I think it did not remove those files while installing it, as I had modified them. makes sense now.09:42
joe9jue, curious, why not rename it to simple-rc oslt?09:43
joe9jue, are you planning on updating rc to this simpler method09:43
joe9at some point in future?09:43
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juejoe9: it's no simpler but more complex ;) and yes, switching to the new rc is an option for the next release09:45
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: cups: upate to 1.5.209:50
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: hpijs: update to 3.12.209:50
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: imagemagick: update to 6.7.5-309:50
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: squid: update to 3.1.1909:50
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thrice`or systemd, and never have to worry about maintaining any init system again ;)10:30
joe9thrice`: thanks will check up on systemd10:33
frinnstdear god dont10:33
frinnstits an abonimation10:33
frinnstoh, overtime10:33
frinnst*home*10:33
thrice`it works really, really well10:34
thrice`would be tough to use on CRUX though, without pam10:34
juejoe9: don't do it, you'll break your system10:45
joe9jue: oh, thanks. I am not a big fan of fedora and it seems to be more inline with it.10:46
juewell, it's certainly possible to build a CRUX system with systemd, but only with massive changes10:48
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joe9this looks so cool: http://www.taigtools.com/cmill.html, but, the price is also pretty cool (being sarcastic). Anyone own this puppy?10:51
joe9oops, sorry, wrong channel.10:51
joe9jue, thanks.10:51
joe9jue, btw, do you know when the next release is expected?10:51
juesorry, not yet10:56
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jaegerAnyone good with ZFS+Samba+NFS4 ACLs?12:05
niklaswehmm how can I load EFI support on crux installationcd ?12:38
niklasweinstallation cd*12:38
jaegerin its current form you can't... if you're willing to take the time to modify it, you could add EFI support to the kernel as well as the gnu-efi and efibootmgr ports12:39
niklaswethe problem is that i will install elilo, but to complie it I need EFI_VARS enabled in my kernel, but I cant boot my kernel wiht lilo :P12:44
teK_install in BIOS mode and install elilo afterwards12:45
teK_+ open a bug in crux.nu for the next release12:45
teK_there's a elilo port (on my hdd) if you're interested I could start my other machine for you12:46
niklasweteK_: elilo is in contrib =)12:46
teK_oh12:46
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teK_let me gues... maintained by myself12:47
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teK_I'm a bit confused these days12:47
niklasweteK_: yupp12:47
teK_it's the tutorial that's still not writtten on uefi + CRUX12:47
niklasweteK_: I trying to install crux on my old intel macmini12:47
teK_is it able to boot via BIOS or is it EFI only?12:48
teK_anyway.. I'm afk again. gn8 peeps..12:49
niklasweit´s only EFI12:50
niklaswecya12:50
jaegerI started working on EFI support in the ISO but couldn't find a bootloader that worked properly from the CD with EFI support12:50
jaegergave up on it for now12:50
niklaswegaah Can someone helpe me to explain what an webcam stream is..12:51
niklaswemy  cousin (16 years old)  "So my computer are not effected about this "virus" beacause my webcam is embedded".. oh dear..12:52
joacimapples EFI has a bios compatibility layer12:57
joacimstuff tht requires a bios should boot up12:58
joacimpeople of lesser intellectual capacity call this "bootcamp" =)12:59
niklaswe=)13:05
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v33hi everyone13:26
joacimhello13:26
v33how do you do13:27
joacimi'm fine13:27
joacimand you?13:27
v33im okay, a bit cold13:28
v33damn california...2 days ago it was nice 75-80 degrees, today, its raining13:29
joacimsame here. except it was -5C and snow, and now it is all melting away13:32
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v33man, i miss the snow :?13:36
rmullsalutations14:29
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Romsterjoe9, #diycnc may interest you.19:43
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