IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2012-02-13

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niklaswegood morning!01:40
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: php-bcmath: updated to 5.3.1004:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: php-ftp: updated to 5.3.1004:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: php-gd: updated to 5.3.1004:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: php-gettext: updated to 5.3.1004:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: php-mbstring: updated to 5.3.1004:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: php-mcrypt: updated to 5.3.1004:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: php-pdo-mysql: updated to 5.3.1004:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: php-postgresql: updated to 5.3.1004:41
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: php-sockets: updated to 5.3.1004:42
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: php-xsl: updated to 5.3.1004:43
Romsterwhat is up with
Romstercurl -L
Romstercurl: (47) Maximum (50) redirects followed05:09
Romstermakes ports -u hang.05:11
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entemaybe it's a self-loop?05:36
entetry curl -v to see what's happening?05:36
Romster-iL shows it's trying to go to Location: eu?ref=vico.kleinplanet.de05:37
Romstersome reason it wont redirect too
Romsterwhich ends up looking like a parked domain.05:37
Romsterthe fact it hangs up should never happen05:38
Romster saved the ports though.05:39
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himynameisphilWhere can I find more documentation about how to write successful Pkgfiles? I am trying to write one for unclutter and I'm struggling.08:53
teK_what's the matter08:54
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frinnst15:54 <teK_> what's the matter08:58
frinnsthimynameisphil: best documentation on Pkgfiles i find are other Pkgfiles08:58
himynameisphilYes, I have been trying to figure it out from other Pkgfiles, but not completely successfully.09:09
frinnstthe Makefile seems very basic. is there really a $DESTDIR set?09:10
teK_hint #1: sed -i Makefile 's|/usr/bin/X11|/usr/bin|' is much more readable09:12
frinnsti would probably just cp the files to $PKG, or perhaps use "install"09:12
frinnstbut im lazy09:12
frinnstsee, not even enough energy to type ' and capital letters09:13
himynameisphilThat's the Makefile09:13
himynameisphilThanks for the tips so far.09:14
himynameisphilThat's the output with err msg.09:20
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himynameisphilI'm running pkgmk with sudo. Shd I run it as root or does it matter?09:25
frinnstno, same09:25
frinnstmkdir -p $PKG/usr/{bin,man} ?09:26
teK_pkgmk? fakeroot?09:26
himynameisphilmkdir -p etc did the trick. thanks!09:28
himynameisphilSomewhat obvious in retrospect, but I guess I wondered about the correct way to fix the issue. Is that a workaround or is that the correct way to work with pkgmk?09:34
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frinnstWell, for small & basic apps its ok i guess09:53
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himynameisphilI just tried making Pkgfile for another app and I didn't have to do that. I will leave it as a mystery for now but work on getting a better understanding later on.10:02
himynameisphilThanks to all who helped.10:02
frinnstits because the Makefile is very limited10:02
himynameisphilOK, good to know10:04
himynameisphilCRUX is great. Liking it a lot so far.10:05
himynameisphilArch was my gateway drug.10:05
enteCRUX is awful. hating it a lot so far :P10:05
himynameisphilAs Ubuntu was my gateway drug to Arch.10:05
frinnstnever used arch10:06
enteso crux is your gateway drug to menuet os :P10:06
himynameisphilProbably to LFS!10:06
entethat isn't all assembly and it doesn't fit on a single floppy either10:06
himynameisphilEventually I want to graduate to LFS with pkgsrc as a package manager.10:06
frinnstubuntu was awesome, before they began with their unity crap10:06
frinnstinstalled it on my dads computer10:06
enteusing pkgsrc sounds reasonable though :-)10:07
frinnstdunno what i will replace it with10:07
enteI installed arch on my sister's machine.. big mistake10:07
himynameisphilfrinnst: Fedora or Mint?10:07
frinnstmint probably10:07
entenow I can't upgrade because their beta version of xorg is incompatible with the nvidia driver she needs10:07
frinnstfedora is even worse than ubuntu10:07
frinnstgnome3 in their upcoming version10:08
frinnst= unusuable10:08
entewhat do you do when mint updates to gnome3?10:08
frinnstthey wont, they use some wierd hybrid10:08
himynameisphilThere's always MATE10:08
enteI'm sure someone will keep some gnome2 packages for debian around10:08
enteclub mate?10:08
enteI'm all for that10:08
entefrinnst: how about xfce?10:09
himynameisphilMATE = Gnome2 fork10:09
thrice`mint forked both g-shell + mutter10:09
frinnstyeah, its a possiblity10:09
entejust like that KDE3-fork that looks dead now? :P10:09
himynameisphilMATE's pretty active for the time being.10:09
himynameisphilI don't use a DE though, so it doesn't matter to me10:10
himynameisphilMy DE is rxvt-unicode, luakit and snapwm. :-)10:10
frinnstme neither, but it spills over into core components10:10
himynameisphilI suppose that is true.10:10
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entehence debian :P10:11
himynameisphilI like Debian, but often get frustrated by how old the software is.10:12
himynameisphilTesting is a good compromise though.10:12
rmullhimynameisphil: How does snapwm differ from dwm?10:13
rmullI see, no floats..?10:14
entehimynameisphil: I doubt frinnst's family will care about old software10:14
himynameisphiltransient windows are floating, but there is no floating mode.10:15
enteexcept maybe for firefox, for which there are updated packages for debian stable and oldstable10:15
entebut that's offtopic :P10:15
entebtw, you could also use pkgsrc on crux10:16
entethat would ease updating your base system10:16
himynameisphiltrue, but seems redundant with an already existing ports system10:17
entepackaging stuff twice is what's really redundant10:17
enteonly recommendation: have fun :P10:18
entewhatever you wind up with in the end10:18
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jaegerlost my keyboard when upgrading to 3.2.512:40
jaegernot a big fan of the logitech-djreceiver driver at the moment12:59
jaegerit started working again, can't explain it :(13:09
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j^2jaeger: it's magic!13:47
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jaegerindeed :/13:50
jaegerI don't like magic, it's hard to troubleshoot13:50
eighty4Good evening #crux. Question about crux history. When was it first released online? 1.0 was released 2002 according to wikipedi but I remember I installed it before that.13:51
jaegerjan 2001 was the first public one if I remember right13:52
eighty4yeah, that might be about the time I installed it13:52
eighty4seems correct13:52
jaeger might help13:53
jaegertook me a bit to find it13:53
eighty4oh, totaly missed that page. Just read the version history in the bottom :D13:53
eighty4well, there you go. 2001 could be right.13:54
eighty4Once of my first experiences to linux actually13:54
jaegerI mostly used gentoo at that time13:54
jaegercame to crux at 0.9.213:54
eighty4I have crux to thank for later installing gentoo and then later debian and so on13:55
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eighty4evening teK_14:05
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v33hi everyone14:33
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jaegeranyone know where XFCE's Terminal gets its $TERM setting? The one in its preferences has no effect15:41
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rmullAnybody have any Linux tablets? Any suggestions?16:00
entesome friends have thinkpads16:01
rmullIs Linux a supported citizen on those, or do you have to go through some "rooting" bullshit?16:18
nogagplzjaeger, ?16:36
jaegernogagplz: hrmm, hadn't seen that one, thanks. odd behavior and workaround but I guess that's one way to do it16:54
nogagplzno worries, the invoice is in the mail16:56
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jaegerprobably costs more to send an invoice from there to here than it's worth :)17:42
v33I'll send it for you, nogagplz :P17:48
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