IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2012-03-19

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Romstermorning everyone01:59
Ovim-ObscurumMorning02:00
nogagplzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcGV8hq56Vg lol Romster fighting himself02:01
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Ovim-ObscurumRomster: Aweseome repository!02:14
Ovim-ObscurumWas just looking for icewm ports and discovered your repo - you've ported a LOT of stuff. :)02:14
Romsterwhich one there is several :)02:14
Ovim-Obscurumhttp://crux.nu/portdb/?a=repo&q=romster02:15
Romsterah my main one02:15
Ovim-ObscurumYeah02:15
Romsterlot of stuff needs version bumps02:15
nogagplzit's that time of the week again Romster where you do exactly that02:15
Romsteri'm slowly going though that02:15
Ovim-ObscurumBut icewm is up2date! :D02:15
Ovim-ObscurumAnd that's nice :)02:16
Romsterhehe02:16
Ovim-ObscurumCan't understand why icewm is not in xorg02:16
nogagplzlol is nvidia-no-sse even relevant anymore02:16
Ovim-ObscurumHrhr02:16
Romsteri'm working on a improved up2date script that wont need them up2date... lines in the Pkgfile.02:16
Romsteri was gonna nuke that nogagplz but you wanted me to keep that.02:17
nogagplzI don't remember that02:17
Romstersome old lappy you have that has no sse02:17
nogagplzmy only other laptop is that G302:18
Romsteri'll just nuke it anyways you can get it out of git later if you need it.02:18
nogagplzno nvidia in it02:18
Ovim-Obscurumhehe02:18
RomsterOvim-Obscurum, we nogagplz and i have a emulator repo too. but it's based off multilib crux.02:19
Ovim-ObscurumRomster: What kind of internet connection do you have at home @dyndns? :D02:19
Ovim-ObscurumCool02:19
Romsternothing flash 1500/25602:19
Ovim-ObscurumAnd what can be found in that repo?02:19
Ovim-ObscurumRomster: I can see :P02:19
Romsterit's in portsdb02:19
Ovim-Obscurumhttp://crux.nu/portdb/?a=repo&q=emulators02:20
Ovim-ObscurumThat one?02:20
Romsteri have QoS setup so if you upload off me alot it'll give you priority.02:20
Romsteryep02:20
Ovim-ObscurumzSNES! \o/02:20
Romstermostly nogagplz work.02:20
Ovim-ObscurumIt's no problem, just doing the initial sync ;D02:20
nogagplzuse ssnes02:21
nogagplzzsnes is just kept because getting rid of it would be like cutting off a foot02:21
Romsteri have a rsync file now if you want that?02:21
Romsteri haven't announced that yet though02:21
Ovim-ObscurumOh, okay - I simply took the httpup from portsdb02:21
Romsternostalgic emulator, ssnes is the one you want02:21
Ovim-ObscurumOkay02:22
nogagplzRomster, make old/ go away02:22
nogagplzit shouldn't be on there02:22
nogagplzignore it02:22
Ovim-ObscurumThe last time I was playing SNES stuff on my PC I used zNES  - that was couple of years ago :D02:22
nogagplzssnes isn't just limited to snes though02:22
Romsterold?02:24
nogagplzin emulators, I just noticed it02:25
Romsteri've started bumpig xorg for tilman to git pull from, or if he is too lazy to just use my repo opver the top of tilmans. http://romster.dyndns.org/linux/ports/crux/version-updates/02:25
Romsterwhat uses sfml nogagplz you plan to use that later or is that redundant now.02:27
nogagplzI don't remember02:27
RomsterOvim-Obscurum, be sure your on the crux mailing list i'll anounce later when i finish fine tuning rsync files and settings.02:29
Ovim-ObscurumGood idea, gonna register my mail for the list.02:29
Romsterand i'll be getting faster net at some point too.02:30
Ovim-Obscurumdone :(02:30
Ovim-Obscurumeh :)02:30
Romsterlol02:31
Ovim-ObscurumHehe02:31
Ovim-ObscurumI know the problem with low bandwith ;)02:31
Romstermore xorg bumping to do02:31
Ovim-ObscurumIn germany we mostly have 6000/256-51202:31
Romsterit's low but it's up 99.9999% of the time02:31
Ovim-ObscurumVPN isn't that funny using this upload.02:31
Ovim-ObscurumHehe :D02:31
Romsterthe NBN is coming so base speeds will be 12000/100002:32
Romsterbut i'm likely to get ADSL2+ 24000/1000 before that gets to me.02:32
Ovim-ObscurumWow. :D02:32
Ovim-ObscurumI had to choose between ADSL2+ 10000/500 or 6000/500, the last one was half price off. :D02:32
Romsteri'll probably only get like 14000~ download though 24000 download is not obtainable. unless your like next door to the exchange.02:33
Ovim-ObscurumOkay02:33
Ovim-ObscurumFor hosting stuff I got a webserver and a vServer - I'm not hosting at home anymore.02:33
RomsterO_O we only have 24000/1000 speeds in adsl2+ but i know at work it's said to be 20000/100002:33
Romsteri have a host too at hvlinux.net but it's not as reliable on uptime as i would like currently.02:34
Ovim-Obscurumlol :D02:34
Ovim-ObscurumAt work we got "100 MBit real ethernet" - really expensive but awesomly fast02:34
Romsterbut i'm getting it for free so not too bad.02:34
Romsteri wish...02:34
RomsterNBN will rule 4 seperate lines 100MBIT each02:35
Ovim-ObscurumAnybody of you got problems with compiling icewm?02:35
Romsteri haven't tested in awhile.02:35
Ovim-ObscurumMissing in footprint: usr/share/icewm/themes/Infadel2/fonts.dir02:35
Romster=======> Building '/usr/ports/packages/icewm#1.3.7-1.pkg.tar.gz' succeeded.02:38
Romsterworked for me02:38
Romsterin a chroot.02:38
Ovim-ObscurumMhm, okay.02:39
Romsteroh it does have a error too it needs a dep added02:39
Romster/usr/bin/mkfontdir: line 5: exec: mkfontscale: not found02:39
Ovim-ObscurumAh02:39
Ovim-Obscurummkfontdir / mkfontscale02:39
Ovim-ObscurumMay those tools are missing02:39
Ovim-ObscurumNo - got those two tools02:40
Romsterhmm no that is in the port ok what is going on.02:40
Romsterah the later one mkfontscale02:41
Ovim-ObscurumHe's compiling lot of stuff, so seems there are no missing deps02:41
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Romsteradded xorg-mkfontscale to it.02:42
Romsterme?02:42
Romsteri test all of contrib and some of romster ports in a chroot so i pick up on missing dependencies.02:43
Romsterbeen a bit slack on the romster repo though.02:43
Ovim-ObscurumAh, okay02:43
Romsteri've setup gitolite recently, need to fix my cgit on apache too.02:44
Romsteri just do so much i get to the point i need to slack off sometimes.02:44
Ovim-ObscurumNeed to do that for my coding stuff, too - but too busy in these days02:44
Ovim-Obscurum<- Learning for the last LPIC exam :)02:44
Romsteronce all that is out of the way you'll have more time.02:44
Ovim-ObscurumYeah :)02:45
Romsternogagplz, i nuked emulators/old02:45
Ovim-ObscurumMhm got the same issue02:46
Romsterrosmter/nvidia-no-sse is also gone.02:46
Romsterodd works for me but i'm using newer xorg in that chroot atm i'm still finishing xorg bumping.02:46
Romstersafe to ignore it's only 1 theme missing but i don't know why.02:47
Romsterprt-get deptree icewm see if anything is missing.02:47
Romsterie no i in [ ]02:47
Ovim-ObscurumAll deps are installed [i]02:47
Ovim-Obscurumbtw - didn't know deptree, thanks :D02:48
Romsterprt-get help there is many there.02:48
Ovim-ObscurumThe funny thing is - if I "test" the pkg archive, I can see the file.02:50
Ovim-Obscurum# tar tvfz icewm#1.3.7-1.pkg.tar.gz | grep fonts.dir02:50
Ovim-Obscurum-rw-r--r-- root/root        73 2012-03-19 08:28 usr/share/icewm/themes/Infadel2/fonts.dir02:50
Ovim-ObscurumAh, the file fonts.dir is NOT in your footprint, but in my Pkg.02:52
Ovim-ObscurumGood morning, Ovim-Obscurum :)02:52
Romsteroh it's a new file..03:02
Romsteryou got another dep on your system that i haven't when i built that.03:02
Romsterah that's because of me missing xorg-mkfontscale i see it now.03:04
RomsterOvim-Obscurum, fixed the port now.03:05
Romsterugh only like 30 more commits to go on xorg...03:06
Romsterwhere did i put that script to do it for me.03:06
Ovim-ObscurumThanks! :)03:09
Ovim-ObscurumOh, linux 3.3 is out. :)03:17
frinnstaye, includes some interesting patches for bufferbloat03:18
frinnstand btrfs improvements03:18
frinnsthttp://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_3.303:18
Ovim-ObscurumYeah :)03:19
frinnstand some efi features03:19
Ovim-ObscurumGonna replace my 3.3-rc7 with 3.3 ;)03:19
frinnsti've yet to play with efi03:19
Ovim-ObscurumGot no x86 machine with EFI03:19
Ovim-ObscurumOnly a Mac Mini but I don't want to break it :D03:20
frinnstbah, breaking things is fun :)03:20
Ovim-Obscurumlol!03:20
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Romsteroh sweet time to upgrade kernel too.03:24
Romsterugh i'm seeing commits everywhere need a break03:24
Romsterif it arn't broke, fix it until it is :D03:24
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Romstermust wake up this is crap i hate getting tired after meals03:28
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Romsteri've probably missed a few but i got xorg-server 1.12.0 up now.04:05
Ovim-ObscurumGood job :)04:10
Romsteri'll do another run after i sysup this.04:11
Romsterand see what else needs bumping.04:11
Ovim-Obscurum:)04:12
Romsterit's so monotonous, i think them bananas and heaps of water is helping me not be so tired.04:12
Ovim-ObscurumHrhrhr :D04:12
Ovim-ObscurumI can imagine04:12
Ovim-ObscurumCRUX is a nice preparation for me for LPIC-102 currently04:12
Ovim-ObscurumLots of stuff to do by hand04:12
Romstermakes you learn how stuff works which i like.04:13
niklaswegood morning04:13
Romstermorning niklaswe04:13
niklaswehow are you Romster ?04:14
Romsterother than feeling a bit tired i'm fine.04:15
Ovim-ObscurumRomster: Yeah, that's right04:15
Ovim-ObscurumEverybody can handle a Ubuntu 11.x System - but not everybode can setup a CRUX system :D04:15
Ovim-ObscurumIt took days for me a few years ago to get it up on my Pentium 1 :D04:15
Ovim-ObscurumBut I learned at lot ;)04:15
niklaswehehe okey :)04:15
Romsteri wouldn't be on it if it wasn't for prologic's help i kept stuffing up my system, didn't realise the i586 i was on kept getting changed to i686 on a rejmerge :D04:16
Ovim-ObscurumHrhr :D04:19
Romsterback when i didn't know any better.04:21
Romsternow look at me...04:21
Ovim-ObscurumHehe :D04:23
Ovim-ObscurumCompiled Xorg environment yesterday in ~1 hour on my old dual-core thinkpad. Did the same on a Core i7 quadcore notebook here in the office today in 12 minutes :D04:25
Ovim-ObscurumBut firefox still takes hours..04:27
Romsterhttp://hvlinux.net/crux/packages/i686/firefox%2311.0-1.pkg.tar.gz04:29
Romsternot if oyu have it precompiled :D04:29
Romsterccache does help lots though once it's cached.04:30
Ovim-ObscurumOh yeah - it does!04:31
Ovim-Obscurum:D04:31
Ovim-Obscurumis your pkg for linux 3.3?04:31
Ovim-ObscurumI see that the compiler uses a lot -OSTYPE="Linux 3.3"04:32
Romsterhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziQWDnFSPt804:36
Romsteri haven't bumped my kernel to 3.3 yet04:37
rauz_my machines all still run the 2.6.3804:38
Romster2.6.39 on my desktop and my firewall is on 3.1.204:39
rauz_maybe i should upgrade but everything runs so smooth at the moment04:40
Romsterhrmm compile faster damn it even on a quadcore i have to wait.04:41
Romsteri know alot of effort04:44
Ovim-ObscurumHrhr rauz_ "never touch a running system"04:48
Ovim-ObscurumI'm just doing this in preparation for my LPIC stuff :D04:48
teK_smooth? You meant to write boring, didn't ya?04:48
Ovim-ObscurumAh, firefox is finally compiled - after 38 minutes. oO04:52
Romsternot suprising04:52
Romsterthat's the only thing with soruce based you have to wait, but i'd rather that than being on a binary distro.04:53
Ovim-ObscurumYeah - or compile it once and never update it again :D04:57
Ovim-ObscurumOr compile all new stuff cronjob based at night on a dedicated server and push the files using rsync. *thinking about to do this* :/04:57
Romsteri got a similer idea for those that don't want to wait to compile. but myself i'm in the process of that version sort then i can use that with a buildbot04:58
Romsterok restarting xorg lets see if it asplodes or not05:00
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frinnsthttp://i.minus.com/ibcvsYCukRPlF9.gif05:03
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Romsterflawless victory05:04
frinnstalso flawless -> 11:03 <frinnst> http://i.minus.com/ibcvsYCukRPlF9.gif05:05
Romsterhttp://romster.dyndns.org/linux/ports/crux/version-updates/version-updates_xorg.httpup up for testing if you don't want to wait for tilman to push new xorg05:05
Romsterlol for a moment i thought the flood gates were open on a river....05:06
Ovim-Obscurumlol frinnst05:10
Romsterhttp://i.minus.com/jpy8CozcRje1b.jpg05:13
Ovim-Obscurumlol05:21
rauz_haha nice pic and so true05:25
Romsterhttp://i.minus.com/jbeoeoceEXZEaR.jpg lol poor cat how cruel making it look like the joker05:31
Romsterdamn you frinnst and your picture urls05:31
Ovim-ObscurumAhahaha05:38
frinnstnp05:39
frinnsthttp://i.imgur.com/fHuhw.jpg05:40
Ovim-Obscurumlol05:40
Romsterlol05:42
Romsterhttp://i.minus.com/jjVGm3QaWdkC.jpg05:49
frinnsthaha05:49
frinnsthttp://i.imgur.com/ZybCw.gif05:50
Romsterhttp://i.minus.com/j10gP1iy1gaDz.png05:53
frinnsthahah05:53
Romsterhttp://i.minus.com/jRCzdOAZWyY40.jpg really don't get that sign but....05:54
frinnstthis is a local sign in my town05:55
frinnsthttp://www.vt.se/inc/ImageHandler.ashx?id=2893165&height=312&width=468&quality=high05:55
Romsterhttp://i.minus.com/jzLjM3ARU74Je.jpg05:57
Romsterbird crap warning?05:57
Romsterhttp://i.minus.com/iTLJ7L1WT3iqJ.png feel like customers on the phone...06:02
Ovim-Obscurumlol.06:07
Ovim-Obscurumhttp://i.minus.com/jzLjM3ARU74Je.jpg06:08
Ovim-ObscurumAhahaha06:08
Ovim-Obscurumthis is awesome06:08
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Romsterhttp://www.translationparty.com/#1010945307:58
RomsterOvim-Obscurum, i read it as LOL then oh that's a person...07:58
frinnsthaha07:58
jaegerreminds me of yay, shark!08:00
Ovim-ObscurumYeah Romster :D08:02
Ovim-ObscurumTHAT's the joke :D08:02
Ovim-ObscurumTook a few seconds for me, too08:02
jaegerhttp://jaeger.morpheus.net/misc/fonts.png <-- this side points out an obvious flaw in my setup :)08:03
jaegers/side/site/08:03
jaegerIt appears properly in firefox, the screenshot is from chrome08:04
frinnst:)08:04
Romsteryeah i get that too but i thought it's just some glyph missing08:04
Romsterout of my current font.08:04
Romsteri get boxes too except mine have the numbers in them08:06
Romsterjaeger, mind using the bumped xorg i've done? perhaps t'll push tilman to update his if we get some more testers. http://romster.dyndns.org/linux/ports/crux/version-updates/08:07
Romsteri'm on this new xorg-server now, it's only version bumps.08:07
frinnsti can give it a go once i get home08:08
frinnstthough i do already run the lastest xorg server, some of the other libs are lagging behind08:08
frinnstand mesa from git08:09
Romsteri've bumped the other libs i'm now going though the ones i've missed.08:09
Romstermesa 7.11 needs llvm now too.08:10
frinnstno?08:11
frinnstyou can build without08:11
Romsteri'll get cgit working shortly so you can review the changes, hmm perhaps if i forced disabled noveu08:12
Romsterit complained llvm was missing and bombed out without08:12
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frinnstI dont remember what i disabled to make it build.. may have been nouveau actually08:26
Romsterwell i added llvm i think keeping nouveau on might be better.08:28
jaegerAnyone using vncserver? Having font path issues08:40
jaegerperhaps it needs xorg-font-cursor-misc08:42
jaegerah, looks like that was it, sorry for the noise08:43
Romstershould be a dep for vncserver if that's the case.08:45
frinnstwould make the dep redundant, no?08:46
* Romster shrugs if vncserver wont work correctly without it?08:49
frinnstiirc, xorg-font-cursor-misc is a dep for a correctly installed xorg?08:51
jaegerI think you're thinking of xorg-font-misc-misc08:52
frinnstbut i cant check right now so you shouldnt really pay attention to me08:52
frinnstah, yes perhaps08:52
jaegerxorg-font-cursor-misc only has the cursor.pcf.gz file in it08:52
Ovim-ObscurumPrinting using CUPS is a b****!08:53
Romsteri've still missed a bunch of ports that i'm bumping some now and i'll do another check later.08:53
jaegergod damn, vnc is unstable09:27
jaegerI don't remember having nearly this much trouble with it last time I used it09:27
Romsterhttp://bash.org/?366309:29
Romstergood luck with that.09:29
Romsteri'm heading to bed got more version bumps to do still but that can wait until after work today09:30
niklaswedoes someone know a good network analyzer prgoram?10:22
frinnsttcpdump/wireshark?10:22
frinnstor what are you looking for?10:22
niklasweyeah, but with graphs and pie-diagram10:23
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juehello11:16
juejaeger: running pango 1.28.4 since quite some time here, no problems11:17
juejaeger: wrt pdf-reader, mupdf is simple though very fast and reliable, a ports is in my personal repo11:18
jueRomster: only some drivers of mesa need llvm, that's what I'm using currently ->  http://0f3abd7fe3b31e98.paste.se/11:28
jueeven nouveau builds without llvm11:32
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: dar: update to 2.4.411:34
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: maradns: update to 1.4.1211:34
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: task: update to 2.0.011:34
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jueQ: anyone using kmod instead of module-init-tools?11:41
juenewer version of udev are depending on kmod, so we should either put kmod into core or freeze udev ;)11:46
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mike_ksource tree of kmod is not that huge. freezing udev sounds like a postponed pain )11:50
mike_kjue: there is FS#810 for my recent thoughts on /etc/limits (in the case it was unspotted, not to hurry onyone)11:52
juemike_k: it's not a question of size, but it's a bit problematic beause user action is required, you have to pkgrm module-init-tools first11:54
mike_kah, binaries conflict... anyone running CRUX for sime time will surely do )11:56
juemike_k: my idea was to wait for 4.1.5.1, but the whole shadow development seems a bit stale currently11:56
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juethere's at least the serious su bug, my hope was that they release a bugfix release soon11:59
mike_kjue: I see. btw, is there any special place one can subscribe to a _choosen_list_ of security-related issues in upstream packages?12:01
juewell, I'm looking more or less regularly at "bugtraq" and "full disclosure" both as rss feeds from http://seclists.org/12:04
mike_kthanks12:06
juebut for me it's more a pain than a pleasure ;)12:06
mike_ksure12:06
juemike_k: btw, apache 2.4.x needs a thread-safe php, meaning it must be configured with --enable-maintainer-zts12:15
juebut this option is marked as experimental12:16
juenot sure what we should do12:17
jueI tend to remove mod_php and use php-fpm instead, but using this with mod_proxy_fcgi seems broken currently12:18
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jaegerjue: I think my problem was caused by a conflict between pango 1.28.4 and a newer version of glib than we have in ports12:19
jaegerI scrapped that effort, though, didn't save logs12:19
mike_kjue: have no idea atm too. in fact, I am still using apache/php only for one legacy installation, which is gonna die. so, I am up to whatever decision comes.12:21
juejaeger: was that glib 2.30.2?12:22
jaeger2.30.3 I think12:22
juemike_k: ok, thanks, I'll keep you informed12:22
mike_kjue: thanks for the heads up!12:22
juejaeger: used 2.30.2 here but reverted to 2.28 because we need a newer version of atk for it12:25
jaegerI ran into while trying to build MATE, for what that's worth12:26
jaegerOtherwise I doubt I'd have needed to update versions12:26
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teK_anyone tried the linux 3.3 EFI_STUB feature?13:38
teK_it works for me [tm] but I have not yet figured out, how to pass some options (i.e. root= & Co) to the kernel13:38
teK_commit says "append after bzImage" in the efi shell.. yeah right, I will manually boot my kernel each time13:39
jaegerI've not even looked at 3.3 yet, what does that do for you?13:41
teK_no need for grub2 or elilo13:41
teK_just add the bzimage via efibootmgr13:41
teK_<313:41
teK_http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/efistub.html suggests the efi shell, too13:44
jaegerinteresting, thanks for the info13:45
teK_no problem13:45
joe9"exec switch_wwwwroot /mnt/root /sbin/init < /dev/console > /dev/console 2>&1" == "exec busybox switch_root /mnt/root /sbin/init "$@"13:52
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dziqRotwang: cz14:22
Rotwangcz14:23
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: vlc: 2.0.0 -> 2.0.114:51
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dougmenckenhello :)16:24
Romsterhi dougmencken i'm off to work but someone should be active.16:51
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frinnstfuck that was scary17:58
* frinnst will never again use virtualbox with btrfs17:58
frinnstatleast not for a year or two :)17:59
jseTotal meltdown?17:59
frinnstno, seems to have survived unharmed17:59
frinnsti should probably buy a lottery ticket17:59
frinnstthe irony was: i was about to build a refreshed x86_64 iso with more up to date packages (btrfs-progs, kernel) for rescue when btrfs screws me :D18:00
frinnstand BOOM: http://cd5c4ce2af39fb14.paste.se/18:01
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Romstershould know btrfs is experiential still20:20
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fragrantHi,22:45
fragrantAnyone?22:45
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