IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2012-03-19

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Romstermorning everyone01:59
nogagplz lol Romster fighting himself02:01
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Ovim-ObscurumRomster: Aweseome repository!02:14
Ovim-ObscurumWas just looking for icewm ports and discovered your repo - you've ported a LOT of stuff. :)02:14
Romsterwhich one there is several :)02:14
Romsterah my main one02:15
Romsterlot of stuff needs version bumps02:15
nogagplzit's that time of the week again Romster where you do exactly that02:15
Romsteri'm slowly going though that02:15
Ovim-ObscurumBut icewm is up2date! :D02:15
Ovim-ObscurumAnd that's nice :)02:16
Ovim-ObscurumCan't understand why icewm is not in xorg02:16
nogagplzlol is nvidia-no-sse even relevant anymore02:16
Romsteri'm working on a improved up2date script that wont need them up2date... lines in the Pkgfile.02:16
Romsteri was gonna nuke that nogagplz but you wanted me to keep that.02:17
nogagplzI don't remember that02:17
Romstersome old lappy you have that has no sse02:17
nogagplzmy only other laptop is that G302:18
Romsteri'll just nuke it anyways you can get it out of git later if you need it.02:18
nogagplzno nvidia in it02:18
RomsterOvim-Obscurum, we nogagplz and i have a emulator repo too. but it's based off multilib crux.02:19
Ovim-ObscurumRomster: What kind of internet connection do you have at home @dyndns? :D02:19
Romsternothing flash 1500/25602:19
Ovim-ObscurumAnd what can be found in that repo?02:19
Ovim-ObscurumRomster: I can see :P02:19
Romsterit's in portsdb02:19
Ovim-ObscurumThat one?02:20
Romsteri have QoS setup so if you upload off me alot it'll give you priority.02:20
Ovim-ObscurumzSNES! \o/02:20
Romstermostly nogagplz work.02:20
Ovim-ObscurumIt's no problem, just doing the initial sync ;D02:20
nogagplzuse ssnes02:21
nogagplzzsnes is just kept because getting rid of it would be like cutting off a foot02:21
Romsteri have a rsync file now if you want that?02:21
Romsteri haven't announced that yet though02:21
Ovim-ObscurumOh, okay - I simply took the httpup from portsdb02:21
Romsternostalgic emulator, ssnes is the one you want02:21
nogagplzRomster, make old/ go away02:22
nogagplzit shouldn't be on there02:22
nogagplzignore it02:22
Ovim-ObscurumThe last time I was playing SNES stuff on my PC I used zNES  - that was couple of years ago :D02:22
nogagplzssnes isn't just limited to snes though02:22
nogagplzin emulators, I just noticed it02:25
Romsteri've started bumpig xorg for tilman to git pull from, or if he is too lazy to just use my repo opver the top of tilmans.
Romsterwhat uses sfml nogagplz you plan to use that later or is that redundant now.02:27
nogagplzI don't remember02:27
RomsterOvim-Obscurum, be sure your on the crux mailing list i'll anounce later when i finish fine tuning rsync files and settings.02:29
Ovim-ObscurumGood idea, gonna register my mail for the list.02:29
Romsterand i'll be getting faster net at some point too.02:30
Ovim-Obscurumdone :(02:30
Ovim-Obscurumeh :)02:30
Ovim-ObscurumI know the problem with low bandwith ;)02:31
Romstermore xorg bumping to do02:31
Ovim-ObscurumIn germany we mostly have 6000/256-51202:31
Romsterit's low but it's up 99.9999% of the time02:31
Ovim-ObscurumVPN isn't that funny using this upload.02:31
Ovim-ObscurumHehe :D02:31
Romsterthe NBN is coming so base speeds will be 12000/100002:32
Romsterbut i'm likely to get ADSL2+ 24000/1000 before that gets to me.02:32
Ovim-ObscurumWow. :D02:32
Ovim-ObscurumI had to choose between ADSL2+ 10000/500 or 6000/500, the last one was half price off. :D02:32
Romsteri'll probably only get like 14000~ download though 24000 download is not obtainable. unless your like next door to the exchange.02:33
Ovim-ObscurumFor hosting stuff I got a webserver and a vServer - I'm not hosting at home anymore.02:33
RomsterO_O we only have 24000/1000 speeds in adsl2+ but i know at work it's said to be 20000/100002:33
Romsteri have a host too at but it's not as reliable on uptime as i would like currently.02:34
Ovim-Obscurumlol :D02:34
Ovim-ObscurumAt work we got "100 MBit real ethernet" - really expensive but awesomly fast02:34
Romsterbut i'm getting it for free so not too bad.02:34
Romsteri wish...02:34
RomsterNBN will rule 4 seperate lines 100MBIT each02:35
Ovim-ObscurumAnybody of you got problems with compiling icewm?02:35
Romsteri haven't tested in awhile.02:35
Ovim-ObscurumMissing in footprint: usr/share/icewm/themes/Infadel2/fonts.dir02:35
Romster=======> Building '/usr/ports/packages/icewm#1.3.7-1.pkg.tar.gz' succeeded.02:38
Romsterworked for me02:38
Romsterin a chroot.02:38
Ovim-ObscurumMhm, okay.02:39
Romsteroh it does have a error too it needs a dep added02:39
Romster/usr/bin/mkfontdir: line 5: exec: mkfontscale: not found02:39
Ovim-Obscurummkfontdir / mkfontscale02:39
Ovim-ObscurumMay those tools are missing02:39
Ovim-ObscurumNo - got those two tools02:40
Romsterhmm no that is in the port ok what is going on.02:40
Romsterah the later one mkfontscale02:41
Ovim-ObscurumHe's compiling lot of stuff, so seems there are no missing deps02:41
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Romsteradded xorg-mkfontscale to it.02:42
Romsteri test all of contrib and some of romster ports in a chroot so i pick up on missing dependencies.02:43
Romsterbeen a bit slack on the romster repo though.02:43
Ovim-ObscurumAh, okay02:43
Romsteri've setup gitolite recently, need to fix my cgit on apache too.02:44
Romsteri just do so much i get to the point i need to slack off sometimes.02:44
Ovim-ObscurumNeed to do that for my coding stuff, too - but too busy in these days02:44
Ovim-Obscurum<- Learning for the last LPIC exam :)02:44
Romsteronce all that is out of the way you'll have more time.02:44
Ovim-ObscurumYeah :)02:45
Romsternogagplz, i nuked emulators/old02:45
Ovim-ObscurumMhm got the same issue02:46
Romsterrosmter/nvidia-no-sse is also gone.02:46
Romsterodd works for me but i'm using newer xorg in that chroot atm i'm still finishing xorg bumping.02:46
Romstersafe to ignore it's only 1 theme missing but i don't know why.02:47
Romsterprt-get deptree icewm see if anything is missing.02:47
Romsterie no i in [ ]02:47
Ovim-ObscurumAll deps are installed [i]02:47
Ovim-Obscurumbtw - didn't know deptree, thanks :D02:48
Romsterprt-get help there is many there.02:48
Ovim-ObscurumThe funny thing is - if I "test" the pkg archive, I can see the file.02:50
Ovim-Obscurum# tar tvfz icewm#1.3.7-1.pkg.tar.gz | grep fonts.dir02:50
Ovim-Obscurum-rw-r--r-- root/root        73 2012-03-19 08:28 usr/share/icewm/themes/Infadel2/fonts.dir02:50
Ovim-ObscurumAh, the file fonts.dir is NOT in your footprint, but in my Pkg.02:52
Ovim-ObscurumGood morning, Ovim-Obscurum :)02:52
Romsteroh it's a new file..03:02
Romsteryou got another dep on your system that i haven't when i built that.03:02
Romsterah that's because of me missing xorg-mkfontscale i see it now.03:04
RomsterOvim-Obscurum, fixed the port now.03:05
Romsterugh only like 30 more commits to go on xorg...03:06
Romsterwhere did i put that script to do it for me.03:06
Ovim-ObscurumThanks! :)03:09
Ovim-ObscurumOh, linux 3.3 is out. :)03:17
frinnstaye, includes some interesting patches for bufferbloat03:18
frinnstand btrfs improvements03:18
Ovim-ObscurumYeah :)03:19
frinnstand some efi features03:19
Ovim-ObscurumGonna replace my 3.3-rc7 with 3.3 ;)03:19
frinnsti've yet to play with efi03:19
Ovim-ObscurumGot no x86 machine with EFI03:19
Ovim-ObscurumOnly a Mac Mini but I don't want to break it :D03:20
frinnstbah, breaking things is fun :)03:20
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Romsteroh sweet time to upgrade kernel too.03:24
Romsterugh i'm seeing commits everywhere need a break03:24
Romsterif it arn't broke, fix it until it is :D03:24
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Romstermust wake up this is crap i hate getting tired after meals03:28
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Romsteri've probably missed a few but i got xorg-server 1.12.0 up now.04:05
Ovim-ObscurumGood job :)04:10
Romsteri'll do another run after i sysup this.04:11
Romsterand see what else needs bumping.04:11
Romsterit's so monotonous, i think them bananas and heaps of water is helping me not be so tired.04:12
Ovim-ObscurumHrhrhr :D04:12
Ovim-ObscurumI can imagine04:12
Ovim-ObscurumCRUX is a nice preparation for me for LPIC-102 currently04:12
Ovim-ObscurumLots of stuff to do by hand04:12
Romstermakes you learn how stuff works which i like.04:13
niklaswegood morning04:13
Romstermorning niklaswe04:13
niklaswehow are you Romster ?04:14
Romsterother than feeling a bit tired i'm fine.04:15
Ovim-ObscurumRomster: Yeah, that's right04:15
Ovim-ObscurumEverybody can handle a Ubuntu 11.x System - but not everybode can setup a CRUX system :D04:15
Ovim-ObscurumIt took days for me a few years ago to get it up on my Pentium 1 :D04:15
Ovim-ObscurumBut I learned at lot ;)04:15
niklaswehehe okey :)04:15
Romsteri wouldn't be on it if it wasn't for prologic's help i kept stuffing up my system, didn't realise the i586 i was on kept getting changed to i686 on a rejmerge :D04:16
Ovim-ObscurumHrhr :D04:19
Romsterback when i didn't know any better.04:21
Romsternow look at me...04:21
Ovim-ObscurumHehe :D04:23
Ovim-ObscurumCompiled Xorg environment yesterday in ~1 hour on my old dual-core thinkpad. Did the same on a Core i7 quadcore notebook here in the office today in 12 minutes :D04:25
Ovim-ObscurumBut firefox still takes hours..04:27
Romsternot if oyu have it precompiled :D04:29
Romsterccache does help lots though once it's cached.04:30
Ovim-ObscurumOh yeah - it does!04:31
Ovim-Obscurumis your pkg for linux 3.3?04:31
Ovim-ObscurumI see that the compiler uses a lot -OSTYPE="Linux 3.3"04:32
Romsteri haven't bumped my kernel to 3.3 yet04:37
rauz_my machines all still run the 2.6.3804:38
Romster2.6.39 on my desktop and my firewall is on 3.1.204:39
rauz_maybe i should upgrade but everything runs so smooth at the moment04:40
Romsterhrmm compile faster damn it even on a quadcore i have to wait.04:41
Romsteri know alot of effort04:44
Ovim-ObscurumHrhr rauz_ "never touch a running system"04:48
Ovim-ObscurumI'm just doing this in preparation for my LPIC stuff :D04:48
teK_smooth? You meant to write boring, didn't ya?04:48
Ovim-ObscurumAh, firefox is finally compiled - after 38 minutes. oO04:52
Romsternot suprising04:52
Romsterthat's the only thing with soruce based you have to wait, but i'd rather that than being on a binary distro.04:53
Ovim-ObscurumYeah - or compile it once and never update it again :D04:57
Ovim-ObscurumOr compile all new stuff cronjob based at night on a dedicated server and push the files using rsync. *thinking about to do this* :/04:57
Romsteri got a similer idea for those that don't want to wait to compile. but myself i'm in the process of that version sort then i can use that with a buildbot04:58
Romsterok restarting xorg lets see if it asplodes or not05:00
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Romsterflawless victory05:04
frinnstalso flawless -> 11:03 <frinnst>
Romster up for testing if you don't want to wait for tilman to push new xorg05:05
Romsterlol for a moment i thought the flood gates were open on a river....05:06
Ovim-Obscurumlol frinnst05:10
rauz_haha nice pic and so true05:25
Romster lol poor cat how cruel making it look like the joker05:31
Romsterdamn you frinnst and your picture urls05:31
Romster really don't get that sign but....05:54
frinnstthis is a local sign in my town05:55
Romsterbird crap warning?05:57
Romster feel like customers on the phone...06:02
Ovim-Obscurumthis is awesome06:08
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RomsterOvim-Obscurum, i read it as LOL then oh that's a person...07:58
jaegerreminds me of yay, shark!08:00
Ovim-ObscurumYeah Romster :D08:02
Ovim-ObscurumTHAT's the joke :D08:02
Ovim-ObscurumTook a few seconds for me, too08:02
jaeger <-- this side points out an obvious flaw in my setup :)08:03
jaegerIt appears properly in firefox, the screenshot is from chrome08:04
Romsteryeah i get that too but i thought it's just some glyph missing08:04
Romsterout of my current font.08:04
Romsteri get boxes too except mine have the numbers in them08:06
Romsterjaeger, mind using the bumped xorg i've done? perhaps t'll push tilman to update his if we get some more testers.
Romsteri'm on this new xorg-server now, it's only version bumps.08:07
frinnsti can give it a go once i get home08:08
frinnstthough i do already run the lastest xorg server, some of the other libs are lagging behind08:08
frinnstand mesa from git08:09
Romsteri've bumped the other libs i'm now going though the ones i've missed.08:09
Romstermesa 7.11 needs llvm now too.08:10
frinnstyou can build without08:11
Romsteri'll get cgit working shortly so you can review the changes, hmm perhaps if i forced disabled noveu08:12
Romsterit complained llvm was missing and bombed out without08:12
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frinnstI dont remember what i disabled to make it build.. may have been nouveau actually08:26
Romsterwell i added llvm i think keeping nouveau on might be better.08:28
jaegerAnyone using vncserver? Having font path issues08:40
jaegerperhaps it needs xorg-font-cursor-misc08:42
jaegerah, looks like that was it, sorry for the noise08:43
Romstershould be a dep for vncserver if that's the case.08:45
frinnstwould make the dep redundant, no?08:46
* Romster shrugs if vncserver wont work correctly without it?08:49
frinnstiirc, xorg-font-cursor-misc is a dep for a correctly installed xorg?08:51
jaegerI think you're thinking of xorg-font-misc-misc08:52
frinnstbut i cant check right now so you shouldnt really pay attention to me08:52
frinnstah, yes perhaps08:52
jaegerxorg-font-cursor-misc only has the cursor.pcf.gz file in it08:52
Ovim-ObscurumPrinting using CUPS is a b****!08:53
Romsteri've still missed a bunch of ports that i'm bumping some now and i'll do another check later.08:53
jaegergod damn, vnc is unstable09:27
jaegerI don't remember having nearly this much trouble with it last time I used it09:27
Romstergood luck with that.09:29
Romsteri'm heading to bed got more version bumps to do still but that can wait until after work today09:30
niklaswedoes someone know a good network analyzer prgoram?10:22
frinnstor what are you looking for?10:22
niklasweyeah, but with graphs and pie-diagram10:23
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juejaeger: running pango 1.28.4 since quite some time here, no problems11:17
juejaeger: wrt pdf-reader, mupdf is simple though very fast and reliable, a ports is in my personal repo11:18
jueRomster: only some drivers of mesa need llvm, that's what I'm using currently ->
jueeven nouveau builds without llvm11:32
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: dar: update to 2.4.411:34
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: maradns: update to 1.4.1211:34
cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: task: update to 2.0.011:34
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jueQ: anyone using kmod instead of module-init-tools?11:41
juenewer version of udev are depending on kmod, so we should either put kmod into core or freeze udev ;)11:46
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mike_ksource tree of kmod is not that huge. freezing udev sounds like a postponed pain )11:50
mike_kjue: there is FS#810 for my recent thoughts on /etc/limits (in the case it was unspotted, not to hurry onyone)11:52
juemike_k: it's not a question of size, but it's a bit problematic beause user action is required, you have to pkgrm module-init-tools first11:54
mike_kah, binaries conflict... anyone running CRUX for sime time will surely do )11:56
juemike_k: my idea was to wait for, but the whole shadow development seems a bit stale currently11:56
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juethere's at least the serious su bug, my hope was that they release a bugfix release soon11:59
mike_kjue: I see. btw, is there any special place one can subscribe to a _choosen_list_ of security-related issues in upstream packages?12:01
juewell, I'm looking more or less regularly at "bugtraq" and "full disclosure" both as rss feeds from
juebut for me it's more a pain than a pleasure ;)12:06
juemike_k: btw, apache 2.4.x needs a thread-safe php, meaning it must be configured with --enable-maintainer-zts12:15
juebut this option is marked as experimental12:16
juenot sure what we should do12:17
jueI tend to remove mod_php and use php-fpm instead, but using this with mod_proxy_fcgi seems broken currently12:18
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jaegerjue: I think my problem was caused by a conflict between pango 1.28.4 and a newer version of glib than we have in ports12:19
jaegerI scrapped that effort, though, didn't save logs12:19
mike_kjue: have no idea atm too. in fact, I am still using apache/php only for one legacy installation, which is gonna die. so, I am up to whatever decision comes.12:21
juejaeger: was that glib 2.30.2?12:22
jaeger2.30.3 I think12:22
juemike_k: ok, thanks, I'll keep you informed12:22
mike_kjue: thanks for the heads up!12:22
juejaeger: used 2.30.2 here but reverted to 2.28 because we need a newer version of atk for it12:25
jaegerI ran into while trying to build MATE, for what that's worth12:26
jaegerOtherwise I doubt I'd have needed to update versions12:26
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teK_anyone tried the linux 3.3 EFI_STUB feature?13:38
teK_it works for me [tm] but I have not yet figured out, how to pass some options (i.e. root= & Co) to the kernel13:38
teK_commit says "append after bzImage" in the efi shell.. yeah right, I will manually boot my kernel each time13:39
jaegerI've not even looked at 3.3 yet, what does that do for you?13:41
teK_no need for grub2 or elilo13:41
teK_just add the bzimage via efibootmgr13:41
teK_ suggests the efi shell, too13:44
jaegerinteresting, thanks for the info13:45
teK_no problem13:45
joe9"exec switch_wwwwroot /mnt/root /sbin/init < /dev/console > /dev/console 2>&1" == "exec busybox switch_root /mnt/root /sbin/init "$@"13:52
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dziqRotwang: cz14:22
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: vlc: 2.0.0 -> 2.0.114:51
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dougmenckenhello :)16:24
Romsterhi dougmencken i'm off to work but someone should be active.16:51
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frinnstfuck that was scary17:58
* frinnst will never again use virtualbox with btrfs17:58
frinnstatleast not for a year or two :)17:59
jseTotal meltdown?17:59
frinnstno, seems to have survived unharmed17:59
frinnsti should probably buy a lottery ticket17:59
frinnstthe irony was: i was about to build a refreshed x86_64 iso with more up to date packages (btrfs-progs, kernel) for rescue when btrfs screws me :D18:00
frinnstand BOOM:
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Romstershould know btrfs is experiential still20:20
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