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| Romster | morning pitillo | 02:11 |
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| Romster | joe9, /etc/sysctl.conf | 02:11 |
| pitillo | yo Romster :) | 02:12 |
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| sdi | http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/crux/files/PXE-crux.txt | 03:36 |
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| joe9 | Romster: isn't sysctl.conf for sysctl parameters? do you consider these to be sysctl paramters too? http://codepad.org/q8yKTAB5 | 05:36 |
| Romster | hmm why haven't those been added to sysctl. | 05:41 |
| Romster | as i understand it the /proc was bieng moved to /sys and for setting stuff was meant to be in sysctl than to echo it to /proc | 05:42 |
| Romster | forget where i read this now. | 05:42 |
| joe9 | romster, ok, thanks. | 06:24 |
| Romster | i think the right way is to do it in /sys/block now | 06:25 |
| Romster | hrmm why is systemtap not packaged... | 06:29 |
| Romster | took me a while to find it too. | 06:29 |
| nogagplz | oh yeah did you bump those 32bit xorg packages Romster | 06:29 |
| Romster | totally forgot about that i'll get onto that. | 06:31 |
| Romster | this is irritating that this program want elfutils but there is already libelf. can't win... | 06:49 |
| nogagplz | you tried and you failed | 06:55 |
| nogagplz | the lesson here is never try | 06:55 |
| Romster | i think i have a solution to thus. | 06:56 |
| Romster | this* | 06:56 |
| Romster | yeah but if you don't try you never learn. | 06:57 |
| nogagplz | spare me your common sense | 06:57 |
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| joe9 | anyone using crux from a squashfs ramdisk? | 08:15 |
| joe9 | can the crux init system run off of a read-only root filesystem? | 08:16 |
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| joe9 | my other option (if crux's init system might have too many dependencies) is minit | 08:23 |
| jaeger | joe9: I would imagine init can work in a read-only root filesystem. You'd need to make some ramdisk or other type of work space for /var/run, /tmp, etc. | 09:00 |
| jaeger | probably others as well | 09:00 |
| jaeger | like /var/log | 09:00 |
| joe9 | that is what I was thinking of doing. | 09:00 |
| joe9 | thanks. | 09:01 |
| joe9 | i am planning on /var, /tmp and /home as ramdisks | 09:01 |
| joe9 | and the root on squashfs | 09:01 |
| joe9 | or, use tmpfs instead of ramdisks for the /var, /tmp and /home. | 09:01 |
| thrice` | tmpfs for /home ? :P | 09:01 |
| joe9 | the root is a squashfs mounted on a ramdisk. | 09:02 |
| joe9 | thrice`: this is just throwaway stuff. nothing important there. | 09:02 |
| joe9 | all the stuff that needs to be stored will be on the hard disk. | 09:02 |
| joe9 | from with the ramdisks will be restored at startup and (maybe written to on poweroff). | 09:03 |
| joe9 | trying to switch off the hard disks is my goal here. | 09:03 |
| joe9 | jaeger: what is the size of your read-only root filesystem? | 09:05 |
| joe9 | jaeger: is it a squashfs? | 09:05 |
| jaeger | Don't know the size off the top of my head but if you have the ISO handy you could check, it's called crux.squashfs if I remember right | 09:07 |
| joe9 | ok, will get the cd. thanks. | 09:08 |
| joe9 | jaeger: it is 27M on the cd. | 09:09 |
| joe9 | that small, really? | 09:09 |
| jaeger | You don't need much in a minimal system, really | 09:10 |
| joe9 | jaeger, wow. that is small. cool. do you have any scripts that you could share on how you mount it and that, if you do not mind sharing. | 09:10 |
| joe9 | i could write my own script, but, if you have something to share, I could get a headstart. | 09:11 |
| jaeger | joe9: all of it is here: http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=system/iso.git;a=tree;h=2.7;hb=2.7 | 09:14 |
| jaeger | specifically you might want to look at the squashfs: target in the Makefile | 09:14 |
| joe9 | jaeger: ok, thanks. | 09:14 |
| joe9 | ok, will do. | 09:14 |
| jaeger | np | 09:14 |
| jaeger | Makefile is where it's created, initramfs/init is where it's mounted at boot | 09:15 |
| jaeger | Anyone bored and willing to test a GTK+ theme for me? I'm curious if it's just a really slow theme or if I have something else wrong | 09:16 |
| jaeger | http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/crux/tmp/gtk-theme-absolute.prt.tar.xz and http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/crux/tmp/gtk-engine-murrine.prt.tar.xz | 09:19 |
| joe9 | my whole crux root directory of my system compressed to (xz) to 152M, which is not that bad, given that I have 1GB RAM. | 09:25 |
| joe9 | all of /bin /usr /etc and /sbin. missed the /lib, but that is just 33M uncompressed. | 09:26 |
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| joe9 | jaeger: i can test the gtk-theme, if you want some help. but, i do not use gdm or gnome. I use just X with xmonad. i do not have any icons or anything like that. | 09:41 |
| jaeger | joe9: I'm using xfce4 here, so definitely no gnome requirement... I'm just curious if it slows down your gtk apps significantly. for example, try scrolling up and down a webpage in firefox with the absolute theme enabled and with some other theme | 09:42 |
| joe9 | jaeger: firefox is already slow as rock for me. | 09:43 |
| joe9 | let me install absolute | 09:44 |
| jaeger | heh, fair enough | 09:44 |
| thrice` | lol | 09:44 |
| jaeger | Thunderbird is particularly bad with this theme... if I go to one of the default xfce themes it's snappy, if I turn on absolute it slows down scrolling a ton | 09:46 |
| joe9 | jaeger: i tried to see if i could install it from firefox: addons-> install addon from file (it does not recognize the .tar or .gz file). | 09:46 |
| jaeger | joe9: both of the files are crux ports | 09:48 |
| joe9 | oh. | 09:48 |
| joe9 | http://codepad.org/HMfzpQLN jaeger | 09:49 |
| jaeger | $ host gnome-look.org | 09:52 |
| jaeger | gnome-look.org is an alias for main.hive01.com. | 09:52 |
| jaeger | main.hive01.com has address 188.138.118.86 | 09:52 |
| jaeger | looks like a DNS issue | 09:52 |
| joe9 | http://codepad.org/IfZgnbdV | 09:55 |
| joe9 | http://codepad.org/S5TjPHBs | 09:55 |
| jaeger | don't know what to tell you, it resolves fine for me | 09:57 |
| jaeger | host gnome-look.org 8.8.4.4 <--- also worked with google's dns | 09:59 |
| joe9 | http://codepad.org/OnQAEeL0 when I change it to use main.hive01.com | 10:00 |
| jaeger | Doesn't look like that will work, you get an html file (web page) back instead of the source | 10:00 |
| cruxbot | [opt-x86_64.git/2.7]: [notify] flash-player-plugins: updated to 11.2.202.228. Resolves CVE-2012-0772, CVE-2012-0773 | 10:00 |
| jaeger | You or your ISP have some kind of DNS issue but for now I copied it to: http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/crux/tmp/126326-absolute-themes.tar.bz2 | 10:01 |
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| deus_ex | jaeger: absolute theme works just fine here, with xfce. | 10:06 |
| deus_ex | I tried few other murrine themes, no problems with them. | 10:06 |
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| jaeger | pedja: no noticeable slowdown? | 10:07 |
| pedja | no. | 10:07 |
| jaeger | weird :( | 10:07 |
| jaeger | Wish I could figure out what's up... it's terrible here | 10:08 |
| jaeger | I wonder if it could be something to do with multihead | 10:11 |
| pedja | you have that problem only with murrine themes? | 10:14 |
| jaeger | I haven't tried others yet, so far it's just absolute | 10:14 |
| jaeger | Do you have a recommendation to try? | 10:14 |
| jaeger | also, what version of murrine are you using? | 10:14 |
| jaeger | 0.98.2 here | 10:14 |
| pedja | Same here, I used your port, too lazy to update mine :) | 10:15 |
| jaeger | heh, ok | 10:15 |
| pedja | I tried several other murrine themes, ones that come in MurrineThemePack.afaict, no problem with them. | 10:17 |
| jaeger | the one in contrib is 0.98.1.1 | 10:17 |
| jaeger | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=43073 ? | 10:17 |
| pedja | I Just grabbed one from the site http://cimi.netsons.org/media/download_gallery/MurrineThemePack.tar.bz2 | 10:19 |
| jaeger | Ah, ok | 10:19 |
| jaeger | ouch, yeah, they're really slow, too | 10:20 |
| jaeger | so perhaps it's all murrine themes | 10:20 |
| thrice` | nvidia drivers or so? | 10:21 |
| jaeger | using the current binary blob ones, yeah | 10:22 |
| joe9 | jaeger: wondering if you could bump the version of squashfs-tools to 4.2. I just intsalled it and it seems to work fine. | 10:22 |
| jaeger | I'll take a look at it, sure | 10:24 |
| pedja | jaeger: i am using nvidia binary blob, xfce and kernel 3.3.So, what is different?Only multihead? | 10:31 |
| joe9 | jaeger: would you mind changing the line "make" to "make XZ_SUPPORT=1 | 10:32 |
| joe9 | that adds xz support. it builds fine too. | 10:32 |
| joe9 | make XZ_SUPPORT=1 | 10:32 |
| jaeger | pedja: kernel 3.2.5 here but I doubt that's the cause | 10:33 |
| jaeger | pedja: any chance you could paste your xorg.conf somewhere? | 10:33 |
| jaeger | joe9: I'll take a look at it :) one thing at a time, heh | 10:34 |
| joe9 | ok, thanks. | 10:34 |
| pedja | jaeger: http://paste.lisp.org/+2R9K | 10:41 |
| jaeger | pedja: I wonder if it could be something related to the kernel preemption setting in the kernel config, or the timer frequency, etc. | 10:41 |
| jaeger | thanks, looks pretty straightforward | 10:41 |
| pedja | would you like my jernel .config? | 10:41 |
| jaeger | pedja: sure :) | 10:42 |
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| jaeger | pedja: interesting... with a single-head display configuration absolute-squared is still slow but the Murrina* ones are somewhat faster | 10:45 |
| jaeger | pedja: also it seems to be only thunderbird now | 10:47 |
| jaeger | I'm really confused, heh | 10:47 |
| jaeger | firefox is quite snappy now in thet single-head X setup | 10:48 |
| jaeger | pedja: I'm gonna chalk it up to thunderbird just being the problem here, I think... | 10:53 |
| pedja | i googled a bit, it seems that TB has a history of bot playing nice with murrine themes. | 10:54 |
| pedja | not | 10:54 |
| jaeger | The more I play with it the more I think that's the case... switching to single-head seemed to help a bit outside of TB but that may be my imagination | 10:55 |
| jaeger | Thanks for humoring me, hehe | 10:55 |
| tilman | whats the maximum texture size your graphics chip can handle? | 10:56 |
| pedja | np, I had similar problem while I used gnome on my netbook, Opera was my nemesis then :) | 10:56 |
| tilman | if your desktop's size (across all heads) is > that size, things _might_ suffer | 10:57 |
| tilman | (assuming you're using a composited desktop, but i hear it's 2012 :P) | 10:57 |
| jaeger | hrmm, wonder how I would figure that out | 10:59 |
| jaeger | it's a quadro fx 580 which is a g96 chipset, similar to the geforce 9500 or 9600 | 10:59 |
| jaeger | 512MB RAM on it | 11:00 |
| tilman | how hold is it? | 11:00 |
| jaeger | If you mean old, presumably as old as the 9500/9600, so early-to-mid 2008 | 11:01 |
| tilman | how large is your (virtual) desktop? | 11:02 |
| jaeger | 3840x1080 (1080p x2) | 11:02 |
| tilman | your hw's max tex size might be 8192 * 8192, which would be large enough for your desktop | 11:04 |
| tilman | so that's probably not it | 11:04 |
| jaeger | hrmm, ok | 11:04 |
| tilman | (considering a 4K * 4K max tex size would suffice as well) | 11:04 |
| jaeger | yeah | 11:05 |
| jaeger | ok, after playing with it more I'm convinced thunderbird is the issue. chrome, firefox, pidgin, etc. all behave smoothly, even when stretched across both displays or maximized on either single display | 11:14 |
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| Rotwang | tb 11 seems to be trully fucked up | 13:52 |
| frinnst | whats up? | 13:53 |
| Rotwang | meh, build brakes if I choose some options | 13:54 |
| Rotwang | and it links with firefox | 13:54 |
| Rotwang | and then it complains that there are no symbols (weird bug) | 13:55 |
| Rotwang | I think I'll stick to 10.x for now | 13:55 |
| Rotwang | and the release numbers are retarded too | 13:55 |
| Rotwang | what will happen when they will get to numbers like 500? | 13:56 |
| Rotwang | in ten years it is possible | 13:56 |
| jaeger | Rotwang: there's also another pidgin update, heh | 13:57 |
| thrice` | links with ff?? :O | 13:57 |
| Rotwang | yesd | 13:58 |
| Rotwang | s/d// | 13:58 |
| Rotwang | who uses MSN in pidgin? | 13:58 |
| jaeger | I don't use MSN at all | 13:59 |
| Rotwang | this release includes one ticket fix | 14:01 |
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| cruxbot | [contrib.git/2.7]: thunderbird updated url | 15:20 |
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