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| nezcaz | is crux.nu down? | 00:54 |
| frinnst | works for me | 01:09 |
| nogagplz | works for me | 01:16 |
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| vee | hello hello | 01:32 |
| nogagplz | oh no it's vee | 01:33 |
| nogagplz | everybody pretend you are't here | 01:33 |
| vee | nogagplz, not this again... | 01:33 |
| vee | people already do it as it is, we dont need further encouragement | 01:34 |
| nogagplz | ok, you're right | 01:36 |
| nogagplz | you do it when Romster turns up, that should even things out a bit | 01:37 |
| vee | lol okay | 01:37 |
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| Romster | i read that! | 02:52 |
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| frinnst | http://i.imgur.com/WjWef.jpg | 05:37 |
| Romster | emus are like that, next second thy grab your sandwich out of your hand just before you take a bite of it. | 05:45 |
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| frinnst | it looks evil :) | 06:05 |
| frinnst | http://i.imgur.com/S19Uu.jpg | 06:08 |
| frinnst | that's me btw | 06:08 |
| Romster | on the left? | 06:10 |
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| Romster | I ONLY JUST NOTICED IT'S CAPS LOCK DAY, SORRY FOR TYPING IN LOWERCASE :d | 06:53 |
| nogagplz | SORRY ISN'T GOING TO CUT IT | 06:54 |
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| Romster | http://crux.nu/portdb/ where did they all go? | 08:31 |
| Romster | no net when cron ran? | 08:31 |
| jaeger | wow, heh | 08:37 |
| jaeger | lots of name service errors in the portdb cacher log | 08:46 |
| jaeger | should be fixed now | 08:56 |
| Romster | oh | 09:00 |
| Romster | what went wrong? | 09:00 |
| jaeger | no network connection when it ran on schedule, it seems | 09:03 |
| Romster | ah that's what i thought. | 09:03 |
| Romster | hmm shame it can't like not remove if mass error. | 09:04 |
| Romster | like test if pdb has network access and dns is working before attempting to run. | 09:04 |
| Romster | i see it's all back now, ta jaeger | 09:05 |
| jaeger | That would probably be trivial to add | 09:05 |
| Romster | yeah wouldn't be much effort. | 09:05 |
| Romster | if fail reschedule an hour later to retry or something. | 09:06 |
| nogagplz | conspiracy | 09:20 |
| nogagplz | the real reason is that all those ports have been absorbed into systemd and their individuality has been deprecated | 09:21 |
| Romster | hehe | 09:25 |
| joe9 | for some reason, the "sulogin -p" in the /etc/rc does not give a terminal. | 09:26 |
| joe9 | it automatically goes to the reboot step | 09:26 |
| joe9 | not sure if anyone has noticed that behaviour. | 09:26 |
| Romster | nope | 09:29 |
| jaeger | joe9: it works here | 09:32 |
| joe9 | ok, thanks. I will check why it is not working for me. thanks. | 09:32 |
| jaeger | np | 09:33 |
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| joe9 | i bought a new machine. is there anything special that I should do for 64 bit ports? | 10:37 |
| joe9 | i did not know that the machine is for 64 bits, until it showed that in the kernel config. | 10:38 |
| jaeger | a 64-bit machine can run 32-bit operating systems if you prefer that | 10:44 |
| jaeger | though you lose any benefit of 64-bit hardware at that point | 10:45 |
| jaeger | If you want to run a 64-bit OS you just need to install a 64-bit version instead of a 32-bit one | 10:45 |
| joe9 | jaeger: is there anything I should do specifically for crux to use 64 bit ports? | 10:50 |
| jaeger | install either frinnst's crux64 or the multilib one, depending on whether or not you need 32-bit support (wine, basically) | 10:51 |
| joe9 | ok, thanks. | 10:51 |
| horrorStruck | $ uname -m | 10:51 |
| horrorStruck | x86_64 | 10:51 |
| horrorStruck | $ gcc -dumpmachine | 10:51 |
| horrorStruck | i686-pc-linux-gnu | 10:51 |
| horrorStruck | :) | 10:51 |
| joe9 | uname -m : masteri686 | 10:51 |
| joe9 | gcc -dumpmachine : i686-pc-linux-gnu | 10:52 |
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| horrorStruck | 64on32 is best of both worlds | 10:53 |
| jaeger | 64on32? | 10:53 |
| horrorStruck | 64bit kernel with 32bit userland | 10:54 |
| joe9 | how do I build a 64 bit kernel? | 10:54 |
| jaeger | how odd | 10:54 |
| horrorStruck | you need a 64bit machine. once you have at least one 64bit kernel, you can have a 64bit chroot with your 64on32 | 10:55 |
| horrorStruck | jaeger: works greta, using this on all my machines since years | 10:56 |
| jaeger | I have no doubt it works, I just find it odd :) | 10:56 |
| horrorStruck | more painful if you have out of tre modules | 10:56 |
| horrorStruck | tree* | 10:57 |
| frinnst | why would you want to run a 32bit userland? unless for compatibility reasons | 10:57 |
| horrorStruck | the answer is in the question as we say :) | 10:57 |
| horrorStruck | 64bit benefits without multilib | 10:58 |
| frinnst | I dont like the idea of punishing everything for just an app or two | 11:00 |
| horrorStruck | i'll go full 64bit with next release thanks to my android phone that provides all the binary crap i previously needed^W liked to have | 11:02 |
| horrorStruck | wine will be the last remaining issue but heh, i never use it | 11:03 |
| joe9 | i do not use wine either. | 11:04 |
| jaeger | then you most likely don't need multilib | 11:06 |
| jaeger | there are other apps that are 32-bit only but not a lot of them | 11:06 |
| horrorStruck | skype and google-earth are some common ones | 11:07 |
| joe9 | i see in /var/log/kernel that udev is renaming eth0 to eth1. I cannot see anything in the /lib/udev/rules.d/75-persistent-net-generator.rules | 11:07 |
| joe9 | any suggestions on how I should start debugging something like this? | 11:08 |
| jaeger | do you have /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules? | 11:10 |
| horrorStruck | id say create your own rule if you need something specific otherwise eth1 is not too bad to live iwth | 11:10 |
| joe9 | jaeger: no, it is just the 75-<..> | 11:11 |
| joe9 | i will write my own rule. | 11:11 |
| jaeger | joe9: are you sure? note that those are 2 separate directories | 11:11 |
| joe9 | seems easier. sorry for the bother. | 11:11 |
| jaeger | /etc/udev vs. /lib/udev | 11:11 |
| joe9 | oh, gotcha. Thanks a lot. | 11:11 |
| joe9 | jaeger: and, yes.the file exsits in /etc/udev/rules.d | 11:12 |
| joe9 | jaeger: you are a genius. | 11:12 |
| jaeger | nah, I had just run into that problem before :) | 11:15 |
| jaeger | often when cloning virtual machines | 11:15 |
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| joe9 | is there any notes on how to go about installing crux 64 bit version? | 11:26 |
| joe9 | it appears that multilib should be safe to use. | 11:27 |
| joe9 | and, I need to upgrade the kernel to 64 bits too. | 11:27 |
| joe9 | i build the kernel from source. Is there a different source tree/branch for the 64 bit kernels. | 11:27 |
| joe9 | i cannot see anything on kernel.org for a 64 bit branch. | 11:28 |
| jaeger | joe9: the installation is the same as the 32-bit version, you just need to download it | 11:28 |
| joe9 | jaeger: i have the kernel source. | 11:29 |
| jaeger | the kernel build is also very similar. there are different options in the config for 64-bit but the commands you use are not much different | 11:29 |
| joe9 | ok, thanks. but, why does my "getconf LONG_BIT" say 32 bit? | 11:29 |
| joe9 | and also the uname -a does not say it is a 64 bit kernel. | 11:30 |
| jaeger | have you installed a 64-bit linux yet? | 11:30 |
| joe9 | no | 11:30 |
| jaeger | that's why | 11:30 |
| jaeger | If you REALLY want to convert a 32-bit linux to a 64-bit linux you could have a look at CLFS but that's a LOT of work | 11:30 |
| joe9 | so, i just need to add the multilib repo and install ports from there? | 11:30 |
| jaeger | if you just want to run a 64-bit then your easiest method is to do a new 64-bit install | 11:30 |
| jaeger | no, you need to reinstall, changing ports isn't sufficient | 11:31 |
| jaeger | http://obra.se/c64/2.7.1/ | 11:31 |
| joe9 | jaeger: ok, thanks. will check how to do that. | 11:31 |
| jaeger | AFK, have a lunch meeting | 11:31 |
| joe9 | jaeger: thanks a lot. | 11:31 |
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| joe9 | jaeger: I have a spare hard disk. All I need to do is download the .iso from the above link and install onto that hard disk, correct? | 11:33 |
| horrorStruck | guess that should work too: boot a 64bit kernel if you can find one (i can build it for you if you want). create a 64bit chroot, build all your install ports and install them. install from scratch may be simpler still. | 11:35 |
| joe9 | ok, thanks. | 11:35 |
| horrorStruck | s/install ports/installed ports | 11:35 |
| joe9 | what do you use to synchronise time with the internet servers? rdate? | 12:08 |
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| Rotwang | http://www.vitamin-ha.com/funny-sean-connery-pictures-13-pics-2/ | 12:24 |
| Rotwang | joe9: whatever is available | 12:24 |
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| joe9 | just wanted to check, I can do this crux.nu/Wiki/UpgradeWithMinimumDowntime with this image http://obra.se/c64/2.7.1/crux-2.7.1-x86_64.iso from a 32-bit install to install a 64-bit crux, correct/ | 13:29 |
| joe9 | s,/,?, | 13:29 |
| frinnst | not really. You will not be able to run the 64bit binaries with a 32bit kernel | 13:38 |
| frinnst | just boot the iso and run an upgrade | 13:38 |
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| joe9 | s chroot /mnt/squashfs-root/ /bin/bash | 13:44 |
| joe9 | chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: Exec format error | 13:44 |
| joe9 | frinnst: ok, thanks. | 13:44 |
| joe9 | frinnst: you are correct. | 13:45 |
| joe9 | frinnst: quick question: is this a better cd to use: http://obra.se/c64/current/crux-2.7.1-x86_64-updated.iso | 13:47 |
| joe9 | instead of http://obra.se/c64/2.7.1/crux-2.7.1-x86_64.iso | 13:47 |
| joe9 | has a later modified date | 13:47 |
| frinnst | yes, crux-2.7.1-x86_64.iso is semi-broken | 13:49 |
| frinnst | nothing critical, but messed up the kernel a bit | 13:49 |
| frinnst | no smp supprot builtin etc | 13:49 |
| joe9 | quick question, I had issues with the 32-bit iso. it did not have the xhci drivers and that was causing it to fail at initramfs | 13:50 |
| joe9 | will I have the same issue with the x86_64 iso too. | 13:50 |
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| frinnst | whut? | 13:51 |
| frinnst | dont remember if the iso-kernel has xhci support builtin. but is that really a big deal? you'll build your own kernel anyways? | 13:52 |
| joe9 | frinnst: yes, but, I am booting from the usb disk and the disk is not being recognised by initramfs to load the root. | 13:52 |
| joe9 | frinnst: does that make sense? | 13:52 |
| frinnst | ah | 13:54 |
| joe9 | frinnst: don't bother. I will use the systemrescuecd and do what i did with the 32 bit install. | 13:55 |
| frinnst | the "current" iso probably supports it | 13:55 |
| frinnst | if 2.7.1 32-bit didnt, 2.7.1 64bit wont | 13:56 |
| joe9 | ok, thanks. | 13:56 |
| frinnst | # CONFIG_USB_XHCI_HCD is not set | 13:57 |
| frinnst | nope, sorry | 13:57 |
| joe9 | that's fine. I have already done that with the 32-bit version. I know what to do. | 13:58 |
| frinnst | you dont have any usb/usb2 ports to plug it into? | 13:58 |
| jaeger | If you have a usb2 port you can avoid that | 13:58 |
| jaeger | yeah, what frinnst said | 13:58 |
| frinnst | http://i.imgur.com/OFv7n.jpg :) | 13:59 |
| joe9 | jaeger: thanks. The mobo has a usb 2.0 port. I will try with that. | 14:01 |
| joe9 | jaeger: that was a good tip. | 14:01 |
| joe9 | does anyone know if this http://obra.se/c64/current/crux-2.7.1-x86_64-updated-netinst.iso has mdadm? | 14:08 |
| c0x | joe9, yes, there is | 14:21 |
| joe9 | c0x: thanks. | 14:21 |
| c0x | 480f00e1ee450e69ab970fa8d75e89cc crux-2.7.1-x86_64-updated-netinst.iso | 14:22 |
| joe9 | i am booted into the system using the above .iso image. | 14:36 |
| joe9 | I do not see a setup in the root filesystem | 14:37 |
| jaeger | joe9: the netinst iso has net-setup instead of setup and requires you to have a package mirror handy, of which there are no official ones | 14:38 |
| joe9 | oh, gotcha. | 14:38 |
| joe9 | jaeger: thanks. i will find a setup in this http://obra.se/c64/current/crux-2.7.1-x86_64-updated.iso , correct? | 14:40 |
| jaeger | yes | 14:40 |
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| joe9 | i just installed a new install of x86_64. I have a lot of configuration in /etc folder of the old 32-bit install. Can I do a cp of the whole etc folder of the 32-bit install to the 64-bit install? | 15:21 |
| joe9 | or, will I be messing something up? | 15:21 |
| teK_ | could not think of anything. Just save the original /etc and try | 15:22 |
| joe9 | teK_: good point. thanks. | 15:22 |
| joe9 | the opt-x86_64.rsync in my /etc/prt-get.conf: should I put it at the top? | 15:26 |
| teK_ | I set core,core-x86_64,opt,... | 15:27 |
| joe9 | yes, I should. that is how it is in the default prt-get.conf | 15:27 |
| joe9 | teK_: was there any reason you have the core before the core-x86_64? | 15:30 |
| teK_ | ah | 15:32 |
| teK_ | the other way round | 15:32 |
| teK_ | sorry | 15:32 |
| joe9 | ok, thanks. | 15:32 |
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| joe9 | there is no busybox package on the cd. interesting, isn't it? | 15:40 |
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| rmull | Anybody here use "beets" to manage their music? Looks like a great tool | 15:59 |
| jaeger | First I've heard of it | 16:00 |
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| joe9 | are there any advantages of x86_64 over 32 bit x86? | 16:41 |
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| Rotwang | http://cdn.themetapicture.com/media/funny-men-drinking-vodka-classy.jpg | 16:50 |
| joacim | happens every time someone gives me vodka | 17:26 |
| joacim | last time i fell asleep on someones lawn with temperatures just above 0C | 17:27 |
| joacim | and i managed to lose my glasses somewhere | 17:28 |
| Rotwang | everything is fine as long as you have three things: | 17:30 |
| Rotwang | cell phone, vallet and keys | 17:30 |
| frinnst | joacim: nice, you could almost pass for a swede :) | 17:36 |
| joacim | i'll take that as an insult | 17:37 |
| frinnst | as you should :) | 17:38 |
| Rotwang | what does it mean to "pass for a swede"? | 17:38 |
| jaeger | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rutabaga | 17:39 |
| Rotwang | ok | 17:40 |
| Rotwang | what does it mean to "pass for a turnip"? | 17:40 |
| jaeger | (not a serious answer) | 17:40 |
| jaeger | I'm guessing in this case he means that being so drunk you don't know where you OR your belongings are is passing for a swede :) | 17:41 |
| joacim | but i did have my wallet. just had to figure out where i was | 17:42 |
| jaeger | maybe that's the "almost" :D | 17:42 |
| Rotwang | kthx | 17:44 |
| Rotwang | jaeger: is it har for foreigner to find a job in you glorious country? | 17:45 |
| Rotwang | I think of going out in a year or so | 17:46 |
| jaeger | In what field? I think it's pretty easy to get IT jobs but not sure about other fields | 17:47 |
| Rotwang | IT | 17:47 |
| jaeger | With that said, honestly not sure how much the "foreigner" part affects that | 17:47 |
| Rotwang | of course [; | 17:47 |
| jaeger | :) | 17:47 |
| Rotwang | just after I finish my engineering degree | 17:48 |
| Rotwang | after 7 years ;D | 17:48 |
| jaeger | ready to be done with school? :) | 17:48 |
| Rotwang | yeah | 17:49 |
| joacim | all foreigners but swedes are welcome | 17:49 |
| Rotwang | I do work for a multinational corporation | 17:49 |
| Rotwang | for two | 17:49 |
| jaeger | There are Polish, Russian, Indian, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean employees where I work, but no swedes of which I'm aware | 17:50 |
| Rotwang | but it turns out we are cheaper than the chinese! | 17:50 |
| Rotwang | Only phillipinos are cheaper, lol | 17:52 |
| jaeger | joe9: some info in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit you might find useful | 17:53 |
| vee | the worst place i woke up after heavy drinking was a bathtub in a completely dark room. no windows, nothing. i thought i either went blind, or, i was kidnapped and was behing held for randsom. | 18:25 |
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| Rotwang | wow, that's hardcore | 18:48 |
| Rotwang | the worst place I woke up after heavy drinking was special place where police puts drunk people | 18:48 |
| nogagplz | I wonder if vee still has his kidneys | 18:48 |
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| joacim | i can say good thing about the swedes. they made falukorv. | 19:35 |
| joacim | nogagplz: they probed him and collected tissue for clones | 19:36 |
| rmull | Packaged beets for CRUX... this program is sweet | 20:42 |
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| joacim | looks good | 21:53 |
| joacim | will you share it? | 21:53 |
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| joacim | i've used easytag in the past, but now i want something more command line as i run my linux computer solely as a headless fileserver these days | 21:54 |
| joacim | never liked the gui for easytag either. too complex. | 21:54 |
| rmull | joacim: Yep, it's in the rmull repo | 21:59 |
| rmull | http://lug.bu.edu/mirror/crux/ports/beets/Pkgfile | 21:59 |
| joacim | thanks | 22:01 |
| joacim | ImportError: No module named setuptools | 22:04 |
| joacim | it builds fine once i've installed setuptools | 22:05 |
| rmull | ahhh. thanks, will update deps | 22:06 |
| joacim | it works =) | 22:32 |
| joacim | fixed a few rather grave errors already | 22:32 |
| joacim | much easier than doing batches in easytag | 22:32 |
| joacim | easytag leaves too much room for human error | 22:32 |
| joacim | tho i assume they integrate with some online db too | 22:33 |
| joacim | i've never tried those features | 22:33 |
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| jaeger | beets uses MusicBrainz from what I could see on its homepage | 22:53 |
| jdolan | http://t.co/bBADpJNj | 23:28 |
| joacim | guess i'll use this on my mac too. the gui of picard makes no sense to me | 23:28 |
| joacim | who'd have thunk that a command line tool would be easier to use than a gui | 23:28 |
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