IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2012-07-16

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cruxbot[opt.git/2.7]: gtk: update to 2.24.1101:44
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veewell, after going back to the kernel available with the 2.7.1 on crux's main site, i was able to get it up and running02:14
veeguess the new kernel and me dont get along well02:14
frinnstdid you forget support for devtempfs?02:15
frinnstor whatever it's called02:16
veelol no, i built support for it02:16
veei think 3 people asked me that. if only it were devtmpfs :/02:17
veelast question, and ill leave you fellas alone.02:18
veeis it possible to install something, and once it has finished, to shut down the computer?02:19
veewould prt-get depinst xorg && shutdown work?02:19
veealso, freetype couldn't download02:25
frinnstyeah, ofcourse02:35
frinnstbut with "&&" would only shutdown if prt-get ran successfully02:35
Romstersorry vee i was far too busy02:44
Romstervee> brings it to a filesystem check failed, and wants me to give it a root passowrd for maintanence <- it's probably ext4 with some extra features enabled that wont mount as ext2,302:45
veeoh its fine Romster, it was getting a bit annoying for me, iI could only imagine how bad it was for you02:46
veewell, the old kernel is up and running, and, all is ell :)02:46
veewell02:46
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Romsteri swear vee has even more problems than i ever do, or that i know how to recover from them better02:50
nogagplzlets see you recover from broken legs wise guy02:57
frinnstlol02:58
Romsterlets see you recover from a broken neck03:21
* nogagplz spasms pathetically in Romsters general direction03:28
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frinnsthow can exchange trash a fresh windows ad?04:45
frinnstuseless04:45
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xcompmgr: update to 1.1.6, new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-liboldx: new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86rushproto: new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-trapproto: new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-libxkbui: new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-libxtrap: new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86miscproto: new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xlsfonts: update to 1.0.4, new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-libxxf86misc: new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-rendercheck: new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-rgb: new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xfontsel: update to 1.0.4, new maintainer06:57
cruxbot[core.git/2.7]: pkg-config: update to 0.2706:58
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xcb-util: update to 0.3.907:17
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xcb-util-image: initial release07:17
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xcb-util-keysyms: initial release07:17
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xcb-util-renderutil: initial release07:17
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xcb-util-wm: initial release07:17
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-server: update to 1.12.307:20
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-glproto: update to 1.4.1607:34
cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-dri2proto: update to 2.807:34
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frinnsthttp://i.imgur.com/6ljF8.gif09:09
Romsterlol09:37
rmullThese xorg commits aren't being pushed into the ports repo yet, right?09:48
Romstercorrect09:50
Romsteronce tested it'll be09:51
rmullokay09:53
rmullIs gtk3 going to make it in any time soon?09:54
rmullI don't want to maintain my own port of something like that09:54
tilmanrmull: they are pushed, but it looks like they broke the export to the rsync area09:56
rmullYeah, I think I recall them disabling the hook until they're fully tested or something09:57
tilmano_O09:57
Romsternot broke like i said it was disabled.09:58
Romsterintentionally.09:58
Romstertilman, obliviously didn't read what i typed the other day.09:58
Romstersomehow i think he has me on ignore -_-09:58
Romsterhttp://img.lulz.net/src/NOCTI.gif10:35
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teK`hello10:38
teK`Romster: you're around_10:39
teK`?10:39
Romsteryes teK`10:55
Romster"are you around?" than the phrase you mean "you are around"10:56
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Romsterok i'm off to bed g'night leave a message i'll read it later11:06
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root____ello, all12:11
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rmullello vee12:12
veehow do you do, rmull?12:12
Rotwanghai12:14
rmulldoing well12:15
rmulldid you fix your panics?12:15
rmullhai Rotwang12:15
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veeugh chrome compile time :/12:30
veesee you guys next eternity12:31
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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.7]: xorg-xf86-video-intel: footprint fix12:59
veeso atk requires the a glib update. so many dependencies for chromium13:16
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LunaVoraxHello everyone!15:26
LunaVoraxI'm trying Crux (i586) for the very first time15:27
LunaVoraxAnd I'm facing a little problem I don't know how to resolve. I just wanted to change the root password like in the manual using passwd and I get the error message "cannot lock /etc/shadow; try again later."15:28
treachstale lock-files?15:29
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treachthat would be /etc/{group,passwd,shadow}.lock, btw15:32
LunaVoraxtreach, I don't know how to veryfy that since I don't have lsof yet15:32
LunaVoraxs/veryfy/verify15:32
treachyou could just try ls, move or remove, depending on mood. Never had that problem myself though.15:35
treach<- afk15:36
LunaVoraxI probably done something wrong but anyway15:36
treachOk, really gone now, but it seems people running ubuntu have had simliar problems15:36
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jaegeryou're running the command as root and the filesystem is not full?15:37
LunaVoraxHum15:38
LunaVoraxI don't understand what's going on, I moved /etc/shadow elsewhere, and now it says it can't write changes to /etc/passwd15:39
LunaVoraxI screwed up somewhere15:39
LunaVoraxI'll just start again from scratch15:40
jaegerbest not to move or mess with /etc/shadow or /etc/passwd15:40
LunaVoraxYeah that was stupid but anyway, I'm starting all over again15:40
LunaVoraxI come from the ArchLinux scene and CRUX is quite hard for me (for now)15:41
veei came from ubuntu with little experience in arch. i know how you feel :P15:41
LunaVoraxHehe15:42
LunaVoraxNext step, LFS ;)15:42
veestill haven't crux fully down. LFS seems like it'll be a nice learning curve, but, too much of a time investment lol15:43
LunaVoraxYeah I can understand that15:44
LunaVoraxI choosed CRUX because I wanted an i586 rolling release. CRUX seems to be the only distro to do this.15:44
veegood luck with compile times. haha15:47
LunaVoraxI'm doing the install on another machine15:47
LunaVoraxSo the pain will be for later yeah :)15:47
LunaVoraxI realise lately that CRUX was working like that15:48
veelike?15:48
LunaVoraxSource15:48
LunaVoraxSounds like a mix between Gentoo and Arch15:48
veeyep yep.15:49
veehey guys, do you use fakeroot? i dont see how it'll be really necessary, especially since i hardly install stuff15:50
treachLunaVorax: I said "password.lock" etc, *NOT* password. Beware of the devil :>15:51
LunaVoraxHaha15:52
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vee5 hours of compiling chrome and its still not done. pretty sure its a sign i need a new rig17:24
treachor a binary dist. :>17:25
veebut if i go binary, people wont think im cool because i wont be compiling stuff :/ lol17:27
treach:>17:28
veewell, ill say this. i did try running xubuntu, but that felt like a fat cow on a tredmill17:29
treacheverything comes with its' own set of drawbacks.17:30
veeyea, thats true. still, after setting up crux with blackbox, everything else seems super slow.17:30
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: libreoffice: updated source link17:30
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.7]: gnome-mplayer: updated source link17:30
treachthat said, anything *buntu tends to be slow as molasses imo.17:30
treachI can imagine. It's generally not the system that is the killer. "It's the apps, stupid" :>17:31
veeyea. i wish there was a base like distro, where you can install everything from scratch, but, was binary. that would be interesting to play with17:32
treachBasically, if you don't have the horse-power to keep kde/gnome/whatever running smoothly, you probably can't have ff, oo.o and everything else running either.17:32
treachI tried using latex on my old k6 a while back (broken hw..). it was.. interesting.17:33
treachLooots of coffe. :>17:33
veei thought i was being daring with a p4. my god...17:34
treachtime marches on, eh?17:36
teK_I ran crux on a amd k6-2 350 once17:36
teK_it was fun :}17:36
treachthis wasn't crux, but I had crux running on a p166... five years ago or so.17:37
treach32 MB ram. Slllooooow. :>17:37
veejesus. WHY?17:37
treachBecause I could, and that was what the person using had.17:38
treachit still ran better than the original w9517:38
treach:>17:38
teK_I mostly used it for chatting an mp3blaster so 256MB RAM (iirc) and the AMDwere just perfect17:38
teK_:>17:38
veei tried installing it on my other desktop, and, it wouldn' read the wireless keyboard, so i never thought of trying.17:40
veeat least never thought of trying again17:40
treachick.17:40
veeick?17:41
treachwireless keyboards must be exterminated.17:41
treachunreliable crap17:41
veeeh, i love the old school keyboards17:41
veethe computer im on is using the oldschool ps2 or w.e keyboards, and its mechanical17:42
treachI have one too, but I'm too damned picky I guess.17:43
treachThe problem is that I hate the numpad with a vengeance, and it seems almost impossible to find a keyboard that doesn't have one. Cherry switches ftw, but good luck finding one matching those requirements. :/17:45
veei remember, when i was younger, my friend told me he had a port on his computer that let him play ps2 games. PS/2 keyboards and all... haha17:45
treachat least one that doesn't have to be a) imported, and b) costs an arm and a leg.17:45
veewhy dont you like the number pad?17:46
treachbecause it's a waste of space, and it shifts the center of the keyboard to the left, so you either have to push around the keyboard or sit asymmetrically.17:46
veeah. mechanical keyboards are pretty expensive. seen them around 150 or so. better feel incredible to type on. lol17:48
treachyeah, I really like the feel of the one I have now, unfortunately, the layout is sub-optimal, and it's slightly cramped.17:49
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vee=/17:53
veeout of curiosity, does compiling in ram make a really big difference?17:53
Rotwangno17:53
treachno, it's huge. :>17:54
Rotwangdisagreed17:54
treachif you mean a tmpfs17:54
Rotwangbut I've tested it on server grade hard drives17:54
veei saw a post on a wiki for crux, about reducing compiling times17:54
treachRotwang: I think it depends a bit on what you're building, and where your bottleneck is17:54
treachit cut ff to half what it used to be for me, when I tried it, iirc.17:55
RotwangI was doing out of  source build, so the sources were always on hdd and all the objects went to /dev/shm17:55
veei think chrome is almost finished. thank god17:55
veeits done!17:55
treachwell that's not exactly "not building to ram"17:56
veeit onlyt ook 5 and a half hours17:56
Rotwangtreach: /dev/shm is not?17:56
treachvee: anyway, not ever having built chrome I suspect you won't be able to build it that way. :>17:56
veeah man.17:56
veesometimes, i want to take the short cut and use the link romster gave me a while ago for a prebuilt chromium lol17:57
treachRotwang: shm, shared memory, right? It's not diskspace, right?17:57
Rotwangtreach: so it is buildin in ram17:58
Rotwangg*17:58
treachexactly my point..17:58
Rotwanganyway, I did some tests on 24 core 50GB ram machine, with disks in raid 0, didn't notice significant performance boost17:59
Rotwangbut on desktop pc things may be different18:00
treachI doubt a lot of people have multi-spindle raid0 arrays.18:00
treachand controllers to match.18:00
treacha few GB of ram tends to be a fair bit cheaper :>18:01
Rotwangindeed18:02
veei always carry around a machine with 50 gb's of ram and with 24 cores. haha18:02
teK_not. yet.18:03
* treach suspects vee of either lying or having _very_ large pockets.18:03
veewhat if its both. O.o18:03
treachstill valid or. :>18:04
veeand teK_ soon enough, that'll be the "standard"18:04
veetrying to build jre yeilds "fike:///jre-7u5-linux-i586.tar.gz Unsupported scheme 'file'.18:04
Rotwangfike?18:05
veefile*18:05
Rotwangvee: you need to download it by hand18:05
Rotwangsee README18:05
veealright, going to build pcmanfm first, then get to that lol18:06
veethen, its minecraft with the gf xD18:06
teK_woot18:07
treachah, todays youth. GF, and the most interesting thing they can come up with is.. minecraft. *sigh*18:07
veeits not my fault. she the one into it...im just being dragged in18:07
teK_I know some GFs who can do witchcraft :x18:07
veehaha18:08
veeusually, i setup a server for her, and let her play while i go to the gym, but, today, i feel like destroying everything she built...18:08
veexD18:08
teK_srsly18:09
teK_wtf18:09
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veewas a joke dear friend18:09
treach-3, lame18:09
veeaww...now my feelings are hurt, and my dreams to be a comedian shattered :P18:10
teK_just wait until frinnst gets back, _he_ will shatter your dreams18:10
treachcan't find the east german ref, maybe he would have had a different opinion.18:10
teK_hu?18:10
treachteK_: I guess making jokes about the east german judge/ref is too old? :>18:11
teK_which east german judge18:11
teK_I must have missed that :}18:12
teK_making fun of east german people is very rude at all18:12
treachsorry, it's not that kind of joke18:12
teK_no need to apologize ^^18:12
treachit's going back to the time when the east german judge/referee was known to make outrageous decisions i various kinds of sports in order to promote their own, or other eastern block athletes.18:13
treachit used to be kind of a running joke, "2.0 from the east german referee". Sorry if anyone took offense.18:14
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teK_nobody did I think18:17
teK_there are some quite funny jokes, too :x18:17
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veei downloaded the linux x86 tar.gz for java (jre) and it has a footprint mismatch22:41
veeyep. have no clue what to do lol22:58
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