| diverse | that is after systemd took over and change their chain of command :P | 00:01 |
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| diverse | frinnst: ping | 00:02 |
| diverse | o/ | 00:02 |
| diverse | Does Crux have a way to globally set or remove dependencies for all packages? | 00:08 |
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| uju | heeeeeeeeeeeeeelp ! heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep ! | 01:42 |
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| uju | crux on virtualbox cant boot after install | 01:44 |
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| frinnst | whut? | 01:52 |
| frinnst | well, he did give it 5 minutes.. | 01:53 |
| diverse | hmm? | 01:53 |
| frinnst | "uju" | 01:53 |
| niklaswe | morning | 01:53 |
| tilman | mourning | 01:57 |
| niklaswe | how are you tilman ? | 01:57 |
| tilman | pretty good | 01:58 |
| tilman | quit my job yesterday | 01:58 |
| niklaswe | tilman: why? got a new one or? | 01:58 |
| tilman | ye | 01:58 |
| niklaswe | nice=) where will you work now then ? | 01:59 |
| tilman | still in the south west of germany, somewhat near the french border. karlsruhe, if that name means anything to you | 02:00 |
| Romster | http://vimeo.com/48514003 | 02:00 |
| niklaswe | tilman: ah, I meaned which company and what will you work with ? :) | 02:01 |
| tilman | i'll still by developing unix applications | 02:02 |
| tilman | s/by/be/ | 02:02 |
| tilman | mostly linux though, and no osx \o/ | 02:02 |
| Romster | good news | 02:02 |
| niklaswe | =) | 02:03 |
| frinnst | good news everyone! | 02:03 |
| Romster | i realyl want to avoid windows8 but no one has bought anythign with windows 8 from the shop /yet/ | 02:03 |
| tilman | they are building medical devices/systems | 02:03 |
| Romster | but i'm dreading it. | 02:03 |
| tilman | so maybe my next big bug will hurt people ;) | 02:03 |
| Romster | oh dear | 02:04 |
| frinnst | hah, thats the spirit! | 02:04 |
| Romster | did oyu say triple shot of morphine? coming up. | 02:04 |
| joacim | i'm sure you'll break some hearts | 02:04 |
| Romster | s/shot/dose | 02:04 |
| Romster | i'm sure they have stringent testing to prevent bugs. | 02:05 |
| tilman | probably won't tbh ;) | 02:06 |
| diverse | frinnst: Does Crux have a way to globally set or remove dependencies for all packages? | 02:08 |
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| tilman | there he is | 02:11 |
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| frinnst | diverse: not sure i understand what you mean? | 02:21 |
| diverse | frinnst: have you used Gentoo before? | 02:21 |
| frinnst | no | 02:22 |
| frinnst | well, yeah | 02:22 |
| frinnst | a bit | 02:22 |
| joacim | i believe he is talking about something like use-flags | 02:22 |
| frinnst | i guess you refer to USE flags? | 02:22 |
| joacim | or she | 02:22 |
| diverse | remember the "USE" variable? Something like that in Crux i mean. | 02:22 |
| frinnst | ah, no | 02:22 |
| frinnst | nothing like that. but various configure-scripts usually autodetect additional libraries etc that you might have installed | 02:23 |
| frinnst | so you might want to add PKGMK_IGNORE_NEW="yes" in /etc/pkgmk.conf | 02:24 |
| diverse | oh? | 02:24 |
| frinnst | (just ignores NEW files from the .footprint) | 02:25 |
| frinnst | otherwise it will throw an error | 02:25 |
| niklaswe | an | 02:25 |
| diverse | frinnst: so prevent the NEW files will prevent extra dependencies from coming in | 02:34 |
| diverse | *preventing | 02:34 |
| frinnst | no | 02:34 |
| frinnst | there is no real way of globally preventing new deps to be pulled in | 02:34 |
| frinnst | so for example gtk3 is crap and ugly but i require it for transmission. a couple of other ports that i use (emelfm2 and audacious) will link against it instead of gtk2 if detected | 02:35 |
| frinnst | of course, you could prevent that with --disable-gtk3 or whatever in those ports but its not ideal | 02:36 |
| frinnst | but to be honest, I dont find it a big issue at all. | 02:36 |
| diverse | I see your point, it becomes kind of redundant to prevent such. | 02:41 |
| frinnst | yeah sorry for not being more clear, i've not had my coffee yet :) | 02:42 |
| frinnst | there are more articulate folks in #crux that can explain it better :) | 02:43 |
| diverse | well its good in a way, it prevents breakage. | 02:43 |
| diverse | frinnst: in your case, do you still need gtk2? | 02:45 |
| frinnst | yeah | 02:45 |
| frinnst | there are not many ports that use gtk3 | 02:45 |
| frinnst | also, our gtk3 port depends on gtk2 | 02:46 |
| frinnst | for now | 02:46 |
| diverse | oh? | 02:46 |
| diverse | does gtk3 really depend on gtk2? | 02:47 |
| frinnst | yeah we use --enable-gtk2-dependency for it to integrate and play nicer with gtk2 | 02:47 |
| diverse | ah nice | 02:47 |
| frinnst | since most stuff still depend on gtk2 | 02:47 |
| diverse | does the ports have mplayer2 in it? | 02:49 |
| frinnst | http://crux.nu/portdb/?a=search&q=mplayer | 02:49 |
| frinnst | the one in opt is mplayer1 afaik | 02:50 |
| diverse | doesn't look like there isn't any | 02:52 |
| niklaswe | yay now I running crux 2.8 :) | 02:54 |
| diverse | niklaswe: how is the experience? | 02:55 |
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| diverse | frinnst: for non existing ports, I would have to create my own? | 02:56 |
| frinnst | yep | 02:56 |
| niklaswe | diverse: like 2.7 :) | 02:56 |
| frinnst | but its really simple | 02:56 |
| niklaswe | I have just upgrade it to 2.8 | 02:57 |
| diverse | frinnst: thankfully the Pkgfiles look similar to PKGBUILDS. But of course, I know why. :) | 03:00 |
| diverse | frinnst: are the .footnotes generated? | 03:03 |
| diverse | niklaswe: is it easy to upgrade to the newer version without reinstalling? | 03:05 |
| niklaswe | diverse: yupp | 03:06 |
| diverse | :) | 03:06 |
| niklaswe | diverse: it will generate .footprint when you building the package. | 03:06 |
| diverse | niklaswe: great :) | 03:07 |
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| frinnst | http://i.qkme.me/3rkl43.jpg | 03:32 |
| diverse | rofl | 03:34 |
| diverse | which planet is that? | 03:35 |
| joacim | jupiter | 03:35 |
| diverse | heh | 03:35 |
| Romster | diverse, like prt-get install foo --ignore=bar | 03:52 |
| niklaswe | haha it´s so funny to our sales ppl talking to our helpdesk guy :P | 04:02 |
| niklaswe | our helpdesk guy, can you save all files you want to keep on this external drive... the "user (sales)" hmm sure, but can´t I draw the whole folder instead.. | 04:04 |
| niklaswe | your helpdesk guy.. deep sigh... yeeeeeeeeeeees you can... | 04:04 |
| prologic | hmm | 04:05 |
| prologic | interesting | 04:05 |
| prologic | I still have (unfinished) a pkgutils implementation in Python | 04:06 |
| prologic | it needs pkgutils.pkgmk finished and pkgutils.pkgadd implemented - but other than that it's almost complete | 04:06 |
| prologic | gawd this code is dated 2007 | 04:06 |
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| Romster | lol | 04:13 |
| Romster | you just wanted to beat hans shell pkgutils didn't you. | 04:14 |
| prologic | I think so | 04:16 |
| prologic | I might still finish this though | 04:16 |
| prologic | I often find myself in situations where I want CRUX's pkgutils on another distro or system | 04:17 |
| prologic | eg: OS X | 04:17 |
| frinnst | .. why? | 04:17 |
| prologic | or some other distro | 04:17 |
| frinnst | why not just recompile for that distro? | 04:17 |
| frinnst | thats what i did for slackware :) | 04:17 |
| Romster | yeah that woulnd't be a bad thing to have. | 04:18 |
| prologic | frinnst, not always possible | 04:18 |
| prologic | consider you're on an old box with an old toolchain | 04:19 |
| prologic | what do you do? | 04:19 |
| Romster | problem is if oyu break python your screwed. | 04:19 |
| prologic | if you can't even compile pkgutils | 04:19 |
| prologic | -but- it has Python 2.4 :) | 04:19 |
| prologic | Or, you're on a Debian system where you can't install anything new because it's package management tools has gotten stuck in some weird way | 04:20 |
| Romster | i've had major issues in windows updates getting suck but never seen that in linux. | 04:20 |
| Romster | guess it's possible with all the dependency handling. | 04:21 |
| prologic | On another topic, looks like I might be getting two of these for our new Office: http://www.fit-pc.com/web/purchase/order-direct-intense-pc/ (Office @ Home) | 04:21 |
| prologic | and installing CRUX 64bit on them :) | 04:21 |
| Romster | i would stay the hell clear of the celeron cpu ones. | 04:23 |
| Romster | so slow | 04:23 |
| prologic | no no | 04:24 |
| Romster | but considering the i3 one there is a considerable amount more... i'm guessing you'll get the slow cpu | 04:24 |
| prologic | going the Core 9y ones | 04:24 |
| prologic | i7 | 04:24 |
| Romster | ah the fast ones. | 04:24 |
| prologic | of course | 04:24 |
| Romster | depends on your budget really | 04:24 |
| prologic | $836/unit bare bones is really good | 04:24 |
| prologic | throw in 16GB of DDR3 SODIMM 1600Mhz RAM for $115.00 | 04:24 |
| frinnst | does the case function as a heat-spreader too? just watch out if you compile stuff on it so you dont get burn injuries :) | 04:25 |
| prologic | and an Intel 520 series 60GB SSD for $105.00 | 04:25 |
| prologic | grab a Samsung 22" LCD from a local sho | 04:25 |
| prologic | whatever kbd/mouse | 04:25 |
| prologic | and you're done | 04:25 |
| prologic | frinnst, lol | 04:25 |
| prologic | hopefully at some point I'll also have my home rack-mounted infrastructure built | 04:26 |
| prologic | so compiling on the desktop won't happen as much | 04:26 |
| Romster | i'm sure the fans will do a decent amount of work and the i7 runs cool most of the time. | 04:26 |
| frinnst | its a fanless design romster | 04:26 |
| prologic | I'm pretty sure these are fanless desktop units | 04:26 |
| prologic | no fans, no moving parts (if you go SSD) | 04:26 |
| prologic | should run fairly cool and quiet | 04:26 |
| Romster | well i hope it's heat pipe to the aloy case then. | 04:26 |
| frinnst | and it seems to be mobile cpus on those boxes | 04:26 |
| prologic | *nod* | 04:26 |
| prologic | they are | 04:27 |
| Romster | oh lap warmers not toaster ovens. | 04:27 |
| prologic | who needs a Quad-core 3.2Ghz desktop anyway :) | 04:27 |
| frinnst | but yeah, my i7 shipped with a tiny cooler compared to my old q6600 | 04:27 |
| Romster | i have one | 04:27 |
| prologic | hey | 04:27 |
| prologic | I still have an AMD Sempron 2400 here | 04:27 |
| Romster | 3.4GHz and i can OC this if i need too. | 04:27 |
| prologic | so I won't complain upgrading to these | 04:27 |
| frinnst | I have a shitty old dualcore E8400 at work | 04:28 |
| Romster | i think of it this way i wont need to upgrade for a long long time | 04:28 |
| Romster | you not going to look at some cluster setup for compiling prologic ? | 04:29 |
| prologic | oh definately | 04:29 |
| prologic | but that'll be in the rack :) | 04:29 |
| * Romster nods | 04:30 | |
| prologic | http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/adapteva/parallella-a-supercomputer-for-everyone | 04:31 |
| prologic | I'm getting one of these fairly soon | 04:31 |
| prologic | I pledged $99 for a 16-core machine to play with | 04:31 |
| Romster | sweet | 04:35 |
| Romster | We could put 1,000 cores on a single chip in two years. Are you ready for that? | 04:35 |
| Romster | do want | 04:35 |
| Romster | i'll bbl | 04:36 |
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| krue | My favorite multi-core chips: http://www.greenarraychips.com/ | 06:21 |
| krue | 144 cores. but they are more comparable to an FPGA than a "standard" CPU. | 06:21 |
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| cruxbot | [opt.git/2.8]: alsa-lib, alsa-oss, alsa-utils: updated source URL | 08:51 |
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| zenwalkuser | hi | 10:28 |
| zenwalkuser | jaeger, remember my xorg problemn yesterday? I finally figured out what causes the problem. It's not the kernel, it's Xorg! Crux' xorg does not support the cirrus vga card emulated by quemu, if I blacklist cirrus and cirrusfb then Xorg comes up if I don't blacklist one of them Xorg seqfaults. | 10:30 |
| frinnst | yeah you need to use the modesetting driver | 10:31 |
| zenwalkuser | frinnst, it looks that it's using vesa now because scrolling on tty is very slow | 10:35 |
| frinnst | yes unless you specify a driver in xorg-conf it will use whatever it finds that work | 10:36 |
| frinnst | just remove it and install the modesetting driver instead | 10:36 |
| zenwalkuser | I am not using anx xorg.conf, how do I figure out which driver it is using? | 10:37 |
| frinnst | check the xorg log | 10:37 |
| zenwalkuser | any xcommand, I know there is one I just forgot | 10:38 |
| frinnst | less /var/log/Xorg.log | 10:38 |
| zenwalkuser | frinsst, no I mean there is a cli tool like setxkbmap but just that shows running xservers details | 10:42 |
| zenwalkuser | frinnst, it's using vesa, that's a pitty, got cirrus driver working on other distries with the same kernel config, any clue what might be missing in crux' xorg and where to get it? | 10:50 |
| frinnst | with the risk of repeating myself multiple times: xorg-xf86-video-modesetting | 11:01 |
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| zenwalkuser | frinnst, is that a package that I must install from contrib repro? | 11:12 |
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| horrorStruck | anyone using werc on a crux machine? | 11:28 |
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| zenwalkuser | frinnst, xorg-xf86-video-modesetting installed but it's still not working with cirrus ;( | 11:37 |
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| cruxbot | [opt.git/2.8]: elinks: update to 0.12pre6 | 11:50 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/2.8]: spectrwm: update to 2.1.0 | 11:50 |
| jse | horrorStruck: if you're referring to werc.cat-v.org it did work with lighttpd. | 11:52 |
| horrorStruck | jse: yes exactly, did you have to do anything special apart from standard installation instructions? | 11:53 |
| horrorStruck | i'm using 9base FWIW | 11:54 |
| jse | It took its time but that's due to this idiot between the computer and the chair. | 11:54 |
| horrorStruck | you're still running it? | 11:55 |
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| jse | Not at the moment. That machine is falling apart due to its age so it's out of commission. | 11:56 |
| zenwalkuser | blacklisting only cirrusfb but leaving cirrus starts up openbox but the xsession crashws right after trying to open xterm | 11:56 |
| jse | Both plan9 and 9base worked. Make sure the variables are exported and have the plan9/9base bin in your $PATH. | 11:57 |
| zenwalkuser | I installed xf86-video-modsetting package... | 11:57 |
| horrorStruck | jse: ok, thanks. i can get the sample sites up but some weird things happen | 11:57 |
| jse | horrorStruck: no problem. | 11:57 |
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| frinnst | but did you remove the other crap? | 12:04 |
| frinnst | please understand that if you run xorg without a config file, xorg will throw a bunch of drivers and see what sticks | 12:04 |
| tilman | xf86-video-modesetting is crap; install the proper driver | 12:05 |
| frinnst | what do you suggest for qemu then? | 12:06 |
| tilman | oh, qemu | 12:07 |
| tilman | sorry. | 12:07 |
| tilman | didn't read much of the backlog ;) | 12:07 |
| frinnst | :> | 12:07 |
| tilman | frinnst: now you've ruined my evening! | 12:07 |
| tilman | ;) | 12:07 |
| frinnst | sorry | 12:07 |
| frinnst | :/ | 12:07 |
| tilman | zenwalkuser: does xf86-video-modesetting work with the cirrus? do we have KMS support for cirrus? | 12:08 |
| frinnst | with new kernels you do | 12:09 |
| tilman | otherwise you'd need xf86-video-vesa i believe | 12:09 |
| frinnst | but its in staging | 12:09 |
| tilman | ok | 12:09 |
| frinnst | 3.6 or something i believe | 12:09 |
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| zenwalkuser | yes have kms support for cirrus | 12:19 |
| zenwalkuser | seems default packageset of crux install cd is not shipping full xorg so what I am missing? | 12:21 |
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| VileTimes | So my Arch Linux install finally crapped out on me after the last upgrade and I think this is an ideal time to make the complete switch over to Crux. | 13:08 |
| jse | Less typing and more doing. crux doesn't install by itself just yet. :) | 13:09 |
| VileTimes | Very true, however the reason I'm here is because I'm (obviously) stuck in the installation process. My kernel is compiled and the system boots just fine. Wireless seems to be a problem, however. I have a Thinkpad T60 that uses the Intel3945 NIC, so compiled in the iwlwifi-3945 driver into the kernel and downloaded the necessary firmware from the Intel site. lspci -v says that the card is using the correct driver (iwl3945), but wh | 13:13 |
| jaeger | What does dmesg say about it? | 13:15 |
| VileTimes | dmesg seems to identify it correctly and doesn't complain. | 13:16 |
| jaeger | ok, so what's the actual problem? Don't think you got to that part, it was cut off | 13:16 |
| VileTimes | I can't bring wlan0 up. wicd doesn't understand it, and an iwlist doesn't work either. | 13:17 |
| jaeger | does ifconfig -a show it? | 13:17 |
| VileTimes | Yes, it's there. | 13:17 |
| jaeger | can you bring it up manually with 'ifconfig wlan0 up' ? | 13:18 |
| VileTimes | Yes, no problems there. | 13:18 |
| jaeger | after doing that do the other tools work? | 13:18 |
| VileTimes | iwlistwlan0 scan says the interface doesn't support scanning. | 13:19 |
| VileTimes | wicd likes my current wired connection, but can't seem to access wlan0 for scanning either. | 13:20 |
| jaeger | I've not used wicd, can't help there... | 13:20 |
| jaeger | can you manually connect to your wireless network with iwconfig or wpa_supplicant, leaving wicd out of the picture? | 13:21 |
| VileTimes | I'll give it a shot. | 13:21 |
| VileTimes | Ah! I just got an error saying "Can't read /proc/net/wireless" ... | 13:23 |
| jaeger | sounds like a good place to start | 13:23 |
| VileTimes | This was after I tried to assign an essid to the interface via iwconfig. | 13:23 |
| VileTimes | Ok ... how do I create this file? | 13:25 |
| jaeger | You don't create things in /proc, it's populated automatically | 13:25 |
| jaeger | so if something is missing from it that usually means you're missing a driver or some kernel support | 13:25 |
| VileTimes | Thanks. I'll see if I can find some details. | 13:26 |
| frinnst | Rotwang: thunderbird needs a couple of updates. security fixes | 13:44 |
| rauz | VileTimes did you compile it as a module or did you compile the driver fix in the kernel ? | 13:47 |
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| VileTimes | No, I compiled it into the kernel, rauz. The driver is definitely there. I'm recompiling now with some options that should give me the wireless extensions that I need. | 13:49 |
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| rauz | ok i had some trouble with this driver on my thinkpad the solution was to build the driver as module | 13:49 |
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| VileTimes | Alright ... hopefully next time I'll log in to #crux, I'll be doing so wirelessly. :) | 14:05 |
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| VileTimes | ... aaaand there was much rejoicing! | 14:13 |
| jaeger | yay! | 14:13 |
| jaeger | Now we can eat Robin's minstrels. | 14:13 |
| VileTimes | :) | 14:13 |
| nogagplz | wicd is so cool | 14:14 |
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| Rotwang | frinnst: indeed | 14:43 |
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| VileTimes | Ok! So this install is definitely coming along. One thing I'm having a difficult time figuring out is the kernel option that'll activate the VGA port on my Thinkpad. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that won't be in the Device Drivers/Graphics Support section of the kernel config, right? | 14:59 |
| jaeger | If you have video output on the LCD the VGA output should work as well, unless that particular laptop controls it via a separate GPU or something | 15:16 |
| VileTimes | Odd ... I get no boot messages from my second screen and xrandr only recognizes my laptop's display and nothing else. | 15:22 |
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| jaeger | You might do some searching for linux on that specific model laptop, someone has probably run into that before | 15:35 |
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