| cruxbot | [opt.git/2.8]: wine: 1.5.16 -> 1.5.17 | 00:02 |
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| Romster | vee_, seen the emulators repo? | 00:05 |
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| prologic | we have an emulators repo? | 00:07 |
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| vee_ | oh no, i haven't | 00:09 |
| vee_ | prologic, you have vba in your repo i believe | 00:09 |
| prologic | ahh yes I do | 00:10 |
| prologic | have played many gameboy games in it | 00:10 |
| vee_ | does it by any chance have gameshark? | 00:10 |
| prologic | I don't think so | 00:10 |
| vee_ | think this is the repo romster was talking about: http://crux.nu/portdb/?a=repo&q=emulators | 00:11 |
| Romster | yes | 00:12 |
| nogagplz | emulators is massively out of date at the moment though | 00:14 |
| vee_ | just saw xbox, dosbox, and i think a ps2 emulator. drool* | 00:16 |
| nogagplz | xboxdrv is a daemon for xbox controllers | 00:16 |
| nogagplz | pcsx2 is a ps2 emulator though | 00:16 |
| prologic | there are xbox and ps2 emulators? | 00:17 |
| prologic | seriously? | 00:17 |
| nogagplz | cxbx is the only active xbox emulator, and it's moving at a snails pace for windows only | 00:18 |
| jaeger | ps2, yes | 00:18 |
| jaeger | xbox emulators are crap | 00:18 |
| prologic | k | 00:18 |
| prologic | nice to know there's a ps2 emulator though | 00:18 |
| jaeger | pcsx2 is really good in windows... not sure how well the graphics plugins have kept up in linux | 00:19 |
| nogagplz | jaeger, gsdx was ported, the hardware renderer is pretty weak but software is fine in linux if you have the power | 00:19 |
| prologic | I ought to integrate pcsx2 and vba into my main mythtv frontend | 00:19 |
| jaeger | takes a hell of a lot of power to make the software renderer worth it, I imagine | 00:20 |
| jaeger | probably ok at native resolution but that looks like ass | 00:20 |
| nogagplz | not really | 00:20 |
| nogagplz | it's pretty magical | 00:20 |
| nogagplz | dolphins software renderer though.... eek :P | 00:21 |
| jaeger | I try to avoid software renderers :D | 00:23 |
| prologic | yeah software sux :) | 00:24 |
| nogagplz | who could say no to 2560x2112 wind waker :P | 00:24 |
| jaeger | xenoblade chronicles :) | 00:24 |
| nogagplz | did you know pandoras tower also has an english release now | 00:26 |
| jaeger | yeah, though not in the US | 00:27 |
| nogagplz | meh, like anybody lives in the US ;P | 00:27 |
| Romster | hehe | 00:29 |
| Romster | http://gizmodo.com/5960826/mcafee-on-the-run-stops-to-ask-for-tech-support | 00:38 |
| vee_ | now thats classy....haha | 00:59 |
| diverse | nogagplz: what do you mean by software renderer? | 01:06 |
| nogagplz | rendered on the | 01:07 |
| nogagplz | CPU not gpu | 01:07 |
| diverse | ah | 01:07 |
| diverse | therefore more weight on the cpu then necessary? | 01:08 |
| nogagplz | depends how it's implemented I guess | 01:08 |
| nogagplz | the pcsx2 software renderer seems to be magical in its execution (ie extremely usable) | 01:08 |
| nogagplz | whereas dolphin by comparison not so much | 01:08 |
| diverse | well i guess they pull some dark magic to optimize it like crazy | 01:09 |
| nogagplz | in the case of pcsx2 though the opengl renderer is piss poor while software does much better, so your back is to the wall | 01:09 |
| diverse | even on the latest svn pull? | 01:09 |
| nogagplz | gabest, the guy who did gsdx is a wizard :P | 01:09 |
| nogagplz | yeah, the guy who was doing the opengl renderer has been busy | 01:10 |
| Romster | opt-multilib: wine: 1.5.15 -> 1.5.17 | 01:24 |
| Romster | so if you built wine already vee_ i've bumped it to the most recent version. | 01:25 |
| vee_ | it failed somewhere down the line...was too lazy to post it | 01:26 |
| Romster | built for me from scratch in a clean chroot. | 01:26 |
| vee_ | ah, well, ill try again | 01:27 |
| vee_ | just going to update the ports | 01:27 |
| Romster | be sure you add | 01:28 |
| Romster | prtdir /usr/ports/core-multilib | 01:28 |
| Romster | prtdir /usr/ports/opt-multilib | 01:28 |
| Romster | prtdir /usr/ports/xorg-multilib | 01:28 |
| vee_ | oh i've added them | 01:29 |
| Romster | above the other prtdir entries. | 01:31 |
| Romster | then it should work | 01:31 |
| Romster | prt-et sysup too | 01:31 |
| Romster | prt-get sysup | 01:31 |
| vee_ | ah. haven't done the update... | 01:31 |
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| Romster | http://pastebin.com/73MXFWpY | 01:33 |
| Romster | pkg-clean ins in romster repo designed for VM and chroot cleaning. | 01:33 |
| Romster | is in | 01:34 |
| vee_ | chroot cleaning o.O | 01:35 |
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| vee_ | http://pastebin.com/YNTKkXut xorg-inputproto-32 failed | 01:40 |
| prologic | Romster, how does it differ from prtwash -a -s -p | 01:41 |
| Kaishi | pkg-clean and prtwash, what do they do? | 01:44 |
| Kaishi | just cleanup the sources or something? | 01:44 |
| vee_ | looks like it | 01:45 |
| vee_ | prtwash is a bash script to clean the port tree of the CRUX Linux distribution. You can clean a single or multiple directories | 01:45 |
| vee_ | or the entire port tree. With the given options it is possible to choose what kind of files the program should delete. A test | 01:45 |
| vee_ | mode is provided. | 01:45 |
| vee_ | god damn it, keep forgetting copy paste doesn't paste one thing, it breaks it down | 01:45 |
| Kaishi | hmm | 01:45 |
| Kaishi | that would probably be a good idea then, to keep the ports stuff clean-ish | 01:46 |
| prologic | yeah I use prtwash all the time | 01:46 |
| prologic | but Romster , how does pkg-clean differ? | 01:46 |
| vee_ | wondering if it could do all the directories at once, or, it has to be specified | 01:46 |
| Kaishi | how do I get it? is it available via ports? | 01:46 |
| prologic | vee_, it can | 01:46 |
| prologic | prtwash -a -p -s | 01:46 |
| prologic | -a -- automatic | 01:46 |
| prologic | prt-get depinst prt-utils | 01:46 |
| prologic | it's in opt | 01:47 |
| vee_ | i have installed it, but you have to specify at least one path, right | 01:47 |
| vee_ | keeps saying unkown architecture | 01:47 |
| vee_ | perhaps thats why there is a pkg-clean? | 01:48 |
| Kaishi | prologic: why depinst vs install? | 01:48 |
| prologic | vee_, no | 01:48 |
| prologic | just -a | 01:48 |
| prologic | Kaishi, habit | 01:48 |
| prologic | depinst installs dependencies too | 01:49 |
| Kaishi | oh | 01:49 |
| vee_ | not sure what the unknown architecture is about....strange | 01:49 |
| Kaishi | do you get an error if dependencies are missing otherwise? | 01:49 |
| nogagplz | prologic, I think clean is supposed to remove all installed packages barring core | 01:49 |
| Romster | eh i haven't used prtwash so i can not comment there. | 01:49 |
| prologic | so what does pkg-clean do then? | 01:50 |
| prologic | is it a clone(ish) of prtwash? | 01:50 |
| Romster | pkg-clean only pkgrm's all ports but core and a few select others to use prt-get depinst foo again to test another port. | 01:50 |
| Romster | basically to find missing dependencies in ports and to generate clean footprints | 01:52 |
| vee_ | btw | 01:52 |
| Romster | without having to redo the chroot/vm after every prt-get depinst | 01:52 |
| vee_ | just thought i should pont out for lols that i just found out you can download the pkgmk file and install a program instead of getting an rsync file and wht not | 01:53 |
| Romster | hmm i'll fix that port vee hang on | 01:53 |
| prologic | Romster, cool | 01:55 |
| prologic | sounds like a handy tool | 01:55 |
| prologic | mind if we collaborate on a mini project involing such tools? | 01:56 |
| vee_ | still dont get why this prtwash keeps saying unknown architecture selected -_____- | 01:56 |
| Romster | in romster/pkg-clean i should add a man page to it too. it's part of the old safe-build thing i was using. | 01:56 |
| prologic | chroot / openvz - very similar goals | 01:56 |
| Romster | sure | 01:56 |
| Romster | i just stuck it in it's own port for now until i know what to put it with. | 01:56 |
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| vee_ | Romster, is it called pkg-clean in the database? | 01:58 |
| Romster | yeah i jsut added it it's in my ports romster/pkg-clean soit wont be on portsdb yet | 01:59 |
| Romster | but you can get it now with ports -u romster ; prt-get install pkg-clean | 01:59 |
| prologic | Romster, talk in -devel | 01:59 |
| vee_ | oh okay thanks romster! | 02:00 |
| vee_ | what other goodies have you guys been hiding from us? | 02:00 |
| prologic | well | 02:01 |
| Romster | vee_, if you commnet out that find what files do you get in /usr/share? | 02:01 |
| prologic | I now maintain crux 2.6, 2.7 and 2.8 x86_64 openvz templates | 02:01 |
| vee_ | sorry Romster not sure what you mean | 02:01 |
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| Romster | cd /usr/ports/xorg-multilib/xorg-inputproto-32 | 02:02 |
| Romster | $EDITOR Pkgfile | 02:02 |
| Romster | comment out find by appending a #find to the start | 02:02 |
| Romster | pkgmk | 02:02 |
| Romster | pastebin the new files you get | 02:02 |
| vee_ | http://pastebin.com/QqtJHvdg | 02:03 |
| Romster | no i dind't mean that... | 02:04 |
| Romster | change fine to #find | 02:04 |
| Romster | find | 02:04 |
| Romster | then save and exit then pkgmk | 02:04 |
| Romster | pastebin the shell new files | 02:05 |
| Romster | might be all doc but i need to be certain. | 02:05 |
| vee_ | oh i see, alright let me run it and post | 02:05 |
| vee_ | foot print mismatch, but i ignored it | 02:06 |
| vee_ | installed just fine :) | 02:07 |
| Romster | ugh i wanted to see that footprint missmatch | 02:12 |
| Romster | seriously either i'm bad with English or you do not comprehend what i'm saying. | 02:13 |
| Romster | guess i'll have to find the ports needed to generate manuals etc install and try to find it myself. | 02:13 |
| Romster | nevermind i fixed it vee_ | 02:16 |
| Romster | ports -u xorg-x86_64-multilib ; prt-get update -fr xorg-inputproto-32 | 02:16 |
| vee_ | oh, sorry Romster, my bad. was continuing the install, and talloc-32 failed. i haven't done anything yet, would you like the pastebin? | 02:19 |
| Romster | i fixed xorg-inputproto-32, what's u with talloc-32 | 02:21 |
| vee_ | http://pastebin.com/aAaLCsD9 | 02:23 |
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| Romster | why is it this builds in the chroot but not on my system, seems files shift... | 02:35 |
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| sporkbox | Which init system does CRUX use by default? | 02:38 |
| diverse | initscripts and no systemd ;) | 02:38 |
| Romster | sysvinit | 02:38 |
| sporkbox | diverse: :) | 02:38 |
| sporkbox | Cool, I'm thinking about trying CRUX sometime. | 02:39 |
| Romster | bsd like init scripts | 02:39 |
| sporkbox | Figured I'd ask | 02:39 |
| Romster | be sre to read the doc on crux.nu | 02:39 |
| Romster | sure* | 02:39 |
| prologic | sporkbox, yell if you wanna have a feel for what it's like | 02:39 |
| prologic | I have a vm up and running | 02:39 |
| prologic | I'll probably pull it down soon :) | 02:39 |
| sporkbox | I used to use Arch, which was inspired by CRUX. I left to Gentoo to get more control, and I've come to enjoy source-based. | 02:39 |
| sporkbox | prologic: oh, cool | 02:39 |
| prologic | Gentoo has control - if you like pulling your hair out :) | 02:40 |
| sporkbox | Indeed. :P | 02:40 |
| prologic | CRUX's level of control is like a calm ocean breeze :) | 02:40 |
| sporkbox | I enjoy Gentoo. My only issue so far is that I made the fatal mistake of going no-multilib. | 02:40 |
| sporkbox | And 64-bit Flash seems to not want to display streams on twitch.tv : | 02:41 |
| sporkbox | That's a small price to pay for such a nice system, though. | 02:41 |
| diverse | sporkbox: actually I think I know you. You were the former Arch Linux user that IgnorantGuru reference on his blog. Your blog was very informative. Good to see you here. :) | 02:41 |
| sporkbox | diverse: Whoa. :O | 02:41 |
| sporkbox | Small world! | 02:41 |
| prologic | I'm pretty sure CRUX is entirely made up of our rc port (BSD-style init scripts on top of sysvinit), pkgutils (our low-level package management tools), prt-get (our higher level package management tool) and not much else | 02:41 |
| sporkbox | Thanks for the compliment. I tried to give the Arch guys the benefit of the doubt re: systemd, but the more I read, the more angry I got, and thus my rant. >_> | 02:42 |
| sporkbox | IG's a great guy, too. | 02:42 |
| prologic | systemd is a bad choice for Arch IHMO | 02:42 |
| sporkbox | Agreed. | 02:42 |
| prologic | my colleague at work uses Arch | 02:42 |
| prologic | I'm not a fan of complex systems (from the latin word complect) | 02:43 |
| sporkbox | It's really a shame, too. If not for the systemd debacle, I'd still be using Arch because I enjoy its PKGBUILD system and pacman. | 02:43 |
| prologic | anything that mixes features into a single thing is too complex for me | 02:43 |
| prologic | and systemd does that | 02:43 |
| sporkbox | prologic: Yep. | 02:43 |
| diverse | sporkbox: i feel the same way | 02:43 |
| prologic | heh Arch's PKGBUILD hmmm | 02:43 |
| prologic | personally I prefer CRUX's Pkgfile | 02:43 |
| prologic | way way simpler | 02:43 |
| sporkbox | PKGBUILDs come from CRUX and BSD's ports-style files | 02:44 |
| prologic | the only thing I've ever wanted is support for reading and caching Group: in prt-get | 02:44 |
| sporkbox | So go figure :P | 02:44 |
| prologic | yeah I know :) | 02:44 |
| prologic | Arch borrowed/stole a lot of features from CRUX | 02:44 |
| prologic | liberally of course ;) | 02:44 |
| sporkbox | I took a quick look at a pkgfile from CRUX and it looks like a simpler, cleaner PKGBUILD | 02:44 |
| diverse | prologic: pretty much stoled and abused :P | 02:45 |
| sporkbox | As soon as I get my second box up and running properly, I'll probably give CRUX a shot. | 02:45 |
| sporkbox | I enjoy Gentoo but I can see maintaining it getting in the way of doing things at times. | 02:45 |
| prologic | diverse, agreed :) | 02:45 |
| prologic | I've used Gentoo for a short time many many years ago | 02:45 |
| prologic | I felt it was too cumbersome | 02:45 |
| sporkbox | It takes some heavy reading prior to installing IMO. | 02:46 |
| prologic | yeah | 02:46 |
| sporkbox | Nothing wrong with that; Gentoo's just not for the faint of heart. | 02:46 |
| prologic | for not much gain | 02:46 |
| sporkbox | I love USE flags, though. | 02:46 |
| sporkbox | Awesome concept. | 02:46 |
| prologic | personally I don't :) | 02:46 |
| prologic | I prefer prt-get edit <port> | 02:46 |
| prologic | followed by prt-get update <port> | 02:46 |
| prologic | but of course that means you have to _knoew_ the software you're using | 02:47 |
| sporkbox | I tend to be a bit OCD, so I love controlling every feature of every package. | 02:47 |
| prologic | which most CRUXers are okay with obviously :) | 02:47 |
| sporkbox | edit and update, eh? | 02:47 |
| sporkbox | does that just let you edit the pkgfile or something? | 02:47 |
| prologic | that's pretty much the work flow around here | 02:47 |
| prologic | that's why many folks maintain their own versions of ports | 02:47 |
| prologic | which is why we have so much duplication | 02:47 |
| sporkbox | Duplication's not always a bad thing. Redundancy for good ideas. :) | 02:48 |
| sporkbox | There's still a canonical source for the main pkgs though, right? | 02:48 |
| sporkbox | the core repo? | 02:48 |
| prologic | sporkbox, try it out :) | 02:48 |
| prologic | CRUX 2.8 x86_64 | 02:48 |
| vee_ | read regretted not going with a multilib, perhaps you should try the multilib one :) | 02:50 |
| sporkbox | vee_: Gentoo? Yeah. Thing is, it's difficult to switch to multilib without basically reinstalling. | 02:50 |
| sporkbox | I tried to follow a guide, but it hung up on compiling sandbox and I couldn't get it to cooperate. | 02:50 |
| sporkbox | At least my system wasn't borked, though. :) | 02:51 |
| vee_ | woh, i meant if you decide to try crux, which i think you'd really like, you should try the multilib verison | 02:52 |
| sporkbox | oh | 02:52 |
| sporkbox | Well of course! :) | 02:52 |
| diverse | sporkbox: i think you will like this distro more :) | 02:53 |
| sporkbox | Experience has taught me that a multi-purpose box can't (easily) go pure 64-bit and expect to have flawless Flash and gaming yet :/ | 02:53 |
| sporkbox | diverse: Maybe I will. I still haven't settled on my new "home" yet, so I'm still looking around. | 02:53 |
| sporkbox | Sweet, CRUX fits on a CD | 02:54 |
| prologic | d'uh :) | 02:54 |
| prologic | on a ~250MB CD at that | 02:54 |
| sporkbox | haha | 02:54 |
| sporkbox | 257 MB for the 2012-10-25 release | 02:54 |
| Kaishi | optical media, what's that | 02:55 |
| diverse | it can be flash on usb as well | 02:55 |
| sporkbox | Smaller than Arch | 02:55 |
| sporkbox | diverse: ofc | 02:55 |
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| sporkbox | I have a USB stick around here... | 02:55 |
| prologic | the openvz image is only 117M compressed | 02:55 |
| sporkbox | awesome | 02:55 |
| sporkbox | This makes me wish I had a spare hard drive to shove into my box and try right now... | 02:56 |
| prologic | spin up virtualbox | 02:56 |
| sporkbox | hm. I don't remember if I enabled that in my kernel | 02:57 |
| sporkbox | haha | 02:57 |
| * sporkbox checks. | 02:57 | |
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| sporkbox | prt-get has a printf, that's awesome | 03:03 |
| sporkbox | Custom output for scripting! | 03:03 |
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| sporkbox | Does prt-get search only search what's currently installed? | 03:08 |
| vee_ | no, you can search for programs in the repos too i believe | 03:09 |
| Rotwang | in repos defined in prt-get.conf | 03:09 |
| vee_ | ^that | 03:09 |
| sporkbox | ah | 03:10 |
| vee_ | alright good night guys, nag you tomorrow | 03:10 |
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| diverse | sporkbox: btw, another udev fork just came out and is sponsored by Gentoo, so this could be of interest to you: https://github.com/gentoo/udev-ng | 03:22 |
| sporkbox | awesome | 03:22 |
| sporkbox | star'd | 03:23 |
| diverse | this one appears to have been forked just a couple of days ago, so its new. | 03:23 |
| Romster | wonder what will become of the other fork | 03:25 |
| Romster | http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7125718.html | 03:25 |
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| diverse | Romster: i wonder about that too. That one was forked off of udev 182, where as udev-ng is freshly forked from github | 03:26 |
| diverse | well fd.o's git i mean | 03:27 |
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| Rotwang | Romster: it seems that wxgtk depends on xorg/glu, I'm filling bug report atm | 03:48 |
| Rotwang | it seems that glu moved from mesa3d to its own software component | 03:49 |
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| sporkbox | Hm, does CRUX have a pkg for the nvidia xorg driver? | 03:52 |
| sporkbox | I see nouveau and nv in ports | 03:52 |
| diverse | sporkbox: http://crux.nu/portdb/index.php?q=nvidia&a=search | 03:53 |
| sporkbox | aha | 03:53 |
| Romster | i'll fix that shortly | 03:55 |
| Rotwang | Romster: http://crux.nu/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=861 | 03:56 |
| niklaswe | morning | 03:58 |
| horrorStruck | hej niklaswe | 03:59 |
| niklaswe | how are you guys? | 03:59 |
| horrorStruck | post-hangover | 04:00 |
| niklaswe | hehe :) | 04:01 |
| Romster | pre-hangover going out to drink and play pool | 04:02 |
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| diverse | Romster: have fun | 04:03 |
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| Romster | akways | 04:03 |
| prologic | pre-hangover - staying home and coding, working on crux stuff, drinking and eating pizza | 04:03 |
| sporkbox | Well, compiled my new kernel to support virtualization. Just gotta reboot after I'm done downloading the iso. | 04:03 |
| Romster | always* | 04:03 |
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| Rotwang | prologic: drinking tea? | 04:08 |
| prologic | lol | 04:08 |
| prologic | no | 04:08 |
| prologic | bug wisers | 04:08 |
| prologic | bud wisers* | 04:08 |
| prologic | yeesh | 04:08 |
| prologic | I can't type already | 04:08 |
| diverse | prologic: no, it really means you are into programming ;) | 04:08 |
| sporkbox | hahaha | 04:09 |
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| diverse | it seems like udev-ng is gaining popularity in slashdot, reddit, and phoronix. | 08:51 |
| joacim | too popular for me | 09:11 |
| diverse | :) | 09:12 |
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| spacea | yeowza | 09:14 |
| spacea | so many people! | 09:14 |
| spacea | I am really interested in trying out crux - I wanted to know about how easy it is to setup proprietary drivers in crux? ATi to be specific | 09:15 |
| joacim | shouldnt be too hard | 09:22 |
| spacea | joacim: I couldn't find anything related to it via a search so I thought I'd ask | 09:23 |
| cruxbot | [core.git/2.8]: dhcpcd: updated to 5.6.3 | 09:25 |
| joacim | i'm trying to find it, but i cant remember what those drivers are called anymore | 09:25 |
| spacea | joacim: You can get them from the vendor's website... | 09:26 |
| joacim | i'm trying to find the prot for it. | 09:27 |
| spacea | oh! there is a port! | 09:27 |
| joacim | i can only find something called radeon-ucode, but i dont really know what that is | 09:29 |
| frinnst | spacea: depending on your hardware and 3d needs, i would recommend to use the free driver | 09:29 |
| spacea | frinnst: the free driver doesn't work with my card | 09:30 |
| spacea | Radeon HD 7850 | 09:30 |
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| frinnst | bummer | 09:30 |
| spacea | tell me about it | 09:31 |
| spacea | so I am just trying crux for the heck of it | 09:31 |
| spacea | why do you guys use it over other distros? | 09:31 |
| joacim | i like it | 09:31 |
| frinnst | it gives me what i need without any annoyances :) | 09:32 |
| spacea | differences compared to arch? | 09:32 |
| joacim | no system d | 09:32 |
| spacea | that's it? | 09:33 |
| frinnst | never used arch, so cant say | 09:34 |
| joacim | it looks like radeon_ucode should support your chip with the pitcairn fw | 09:39 |
| joacim | the gentoo wiki contains some information about building your kernel with these. | 09:41 |
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| diverse | spacea: no systemd, packages are compiled, light on dependencies, more freedom, no lies or bullshit from developers, and a more friendly community. ;) | 10:17 |
| Kaishi | also it's easy and fun to learn CRUX :) | 10:17 |
| diverse | the list goes on as you can see. | 10:17 |
| Kaishi | "fun to learn" is probably the top priority for me | 10:18 |
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| diverse | Pkgfile files are also simpler (which the idea was originally started in Crux) | 10:22 |
| sprit | Hi! good day, i neel help with kernel :( | 10:23 |
| Kaishi | to me, crux is in the same sphere with arch and gentoo, but way more approachable :) | 10:23 |
| Rotwang | hi | 10:23 |
| spacea | diverse: I guess those are pretty solid reasons :) | 10:24 |
| spacea | I wanted to install the 64 bit version | 10:24 |
| spacea | are 64 bit ports easily available? | 10:24 |
| Rotwang | I have this little request from someone who has some time | 10:24 |
| joacim | sprit: what about the kernel? | 10:24 |
| joacim | spacea: they are | 10:25 |
| Kaishi | rotwang, what do you need? | 10:25 |
| Rotwang | I need someone with: | 10:25 |
| Rotwang | crux 2.8 | 10:25 |
| Rotwang | kernel with ipv6 support | 10:25 |
| Kaishi | I can bring up a VM to that effect if no one else has something close | 10:26 |
| sprit | I always wanted to install crux, but i have always problem with kernel, kernel panic and others more... | 10:26 |
| Rotwang | on a desktop computer | 10:26 |
| Rotwang | so I have this problem, I'm trying to update teeworlds port | 10:26 |
| sprit | I have experience in GNU/Linux, but never with the kernel joacim | 10:26 |
| Kaishi | sprit: you're probably missing a couple important options in compiling the kernel or something | 10:27 |
| Rotwang | but teeworlds wont wok, I'm betting it is a ipv6 issue | 10:27 |
| Kaishi | I just started messing with it heavily a couple of days ago and it's been a ball :3 | 10:27 |
| Kaishi | rotwang, what's teeworlds? | 10:27 |
| Rotwang | https://www.teeworlds.com/ | 10:28 |
| horrorStruck | sprit: i can make a minimal but working config for you if you want | 10:28 |
| frinnst | sprit: make sure you build the following not as modules: your sata/scsi controller, scsi-disk, filesystem | 10:28 |
| horrorStruck | or do this ^ | 10:29 |
| Rotwang | sprit: you could try with initramfs as well | 10:29 |
| Kaishi | rotwang: does that mean you'd need X? | 10:29 |
| Rotwang | frinnst: congrats on your core ascention | 10:29 |
| sprit | I love all minimum has sure why the kernel fails me (sorry my english, i speak spanish) | 10:29 |
| Rotwang | Kaishi: yes | 10:29 |
| frinnst | Rotwang: thanks, but its buisiness as usual :) | 10:30 |
| sprit | Rotwang, Yeah, I do, but there are other options I usually disable the inecesarias see, there are some manual compile the kernel? | 10:30 |
| Rotwang | frinnst: btw. I found some time to upgrade crux on my ci env, so I'll be updateing tb shortly | 10:30 |
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| Rotwang | sprit: it is usually good to know what a certain option does before you disable it | 10:30 |
| frinnst | sweet.. Im thinking of splitting out xulrunner from firefox. thunderbird should build against it these days. also would make thunderbird a lot easier to maintain :) | 10:31 |
| Kaishi | sprit: you can manually compile your own kernel, but you need to be careful in which options you select. | 10:31 |
| frinnst | i'll let you know when i have a port working | 10:31 |
| Rotwang | frinnst: I'll have to investigate this tb - xulrunner linkings | 10:32 |
| Rotwang | frinnst: ok | 10:32 |
| sprit | Oh, and there a manual to know the settings? | 10:32 |
| horrorStruck | press ? | 10:32 |
| horrorStruck | for help ^ | 10:32 |
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| Kaishi | Yes! discovering that was so awesome for me | 10:34 |
| Kaishi | like legitimately awesome, no hyperbole | 10:34 |
| Kaishi | I spent like 4 hours just reading kernel documentation | 10:34 |
| Kaishi | and selecting only the right options... and then, feeling scared, gave that new config a compile... | 10:35 |
| Kaishi | and | 10:35 |
| Kaishi | \o/ success!! | 10:35 |
| Kaishi | last night was awesome | 10:35 |
| Kaishi | my team has been really impressed with my progress on the backend of our server. | 10:35 |
| Kaishi | it's apparently a lot more stable and connects faster too | 10:36 |
| Rotwang | btw. any recomendation on filesystem that allows you to share iscsi disk? | 10:42 |
| Rotwang | or any other way | 10:43 |
| Rotwang | we have tried gfs and lustre | 10:43 |
| Rotwang | anything else worth trying | 10:43 |
| Rotwang | ? | 10:43 |
| Kaishi | I normally do all my fileserver stuff in OpenIndiana | 10:46 |
| Kaishi | for ZFS | 10:46 |
| Rotwang | only linux stuff | 10:47 |
| Kaishi | FUSE has a ZFS port but I dunno how good it is | 10:47 |
| Kaishi | you can reject my recommendation but ZFS is a magical filesystem. someday BTRFS will be as good, I hope | 10:48 |
| Rotwang | fuse + zfs I don't like that | 10:48 |
| Kaishi | EXT4, reiser3, ZFS, and NTFS are the only filesystems I ever deal with these days. | 10:49 |
| Kaishi | in reverse order of frequency oddly, heh | 10:49 |
| Kaishi | the new microsoft filesystem is pretty cool, similar idea/spirit to btrfs and zfs, only proprietary and requiring windows server 2012 >_< | 10:50 |
| Kaishi | ReFS | 10:51 |
| Rotwang | thank god I do not have to deal with windows anymore | 10:51 |
| Kaishi | eh, you say that. Server 2012 is the most POSIX-y windows yet, and I kinda love it. I mean it's still windows but, it feels... livable :) | 10:52 |
| Rotwang | I've heard good things about new windowses, but they cannot erase their past | 10:54 |
| Kaishi | can be installed CLI only yet do any of the roles, mgmt through powershell, interfaces to handle multiple boxes concurrently (WinRM), and all the love from kerberos. I need to integrate CRUX with kerberos next >_> that'll be a challenge | 10:54 |
| joacim | i dont know. i think theyre getting more and more complicated and messy | 10:55 |
| joacim | i remember enjoying win2k way more than i do vista/7, but i dont know if thats just nostalgia. | 10:55 |
| Kaishi | joacim: I'm a windows server engineer by day, if you can believe that :) I've been using server 2012 since beta, and I can say it's a lot cleaner and easier to manage. I mean, I can do real configuration and whatnot via powershell scripts. VBscript is gone forever. | 10:57 |
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| Kaishi | rotwang, I can't agree with the "can't erase past" thing. Things change, people change, we have to evaluate what we have to work with right now. Because inevitably, so too will _we_ change | 10:58 |
| Kaishi | I mean I'm a windows engineer but I use solaris, bsd, and linux about as much as I do windows | 10:59 |
| Rotwang | yes, but past experience and hate cannot be forgoten | 11:00 |
| Kaishi | that's change | 11:00 |
| Rotwang | I remember hours trying to make things work | 11:00 |
| Rotwang | wonderful cmd.exe | 11:00 |
| Kaishi | THat's how I felt about linux and bash for a long time | 11:01 |
| Kaishi | it's just a learning curve | 11:01 |
| Rotwang | written by drunk algol programmer | 11:01 |
| Kaishi | also cmd is dead | 11:01 |
| Kaishi | powershell is in | 11:01 |
| joacim | oh how i miss ms dos | 11:01 |
| Kaishi | and here I just removed the MSDOS filesystem options from the linux kernel | 11:02 |
| joacim | those systems were actually fun to use | 11:02 |
| Kaishi | I don't miss working with drivers from back then | 11:02 |
| Kaishi | I will say this: the windows approach to drivers in the current paradigm is pretty excellent. Almost never does the layperson need to go find and install drivers since Windows Update can deliver them, and they're usually posted to that db about 10 days after release from the devs | 11:03 |
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| Kaishi | 10 days of testing | 11:04 |
| Kaishi | I wish there were aptitude for windows, or heck, I'm coming to rather love prt-get | 11:05 |
| Pantoufle | Kaishi: the Store is going to be the evil, bureaucratic version | 11:09 |
| Rotwang | the Store? | 11:10 |
| Kaishi | I have mixed emotions about all the win8 stuff | 11:10 |
| Pantoufle | Windows 8’s thing | 11:10 |
| Kaishi | rotwang: MS made a new applet engine and created a store to publish those applets | 11:10 |
| Pantoufle | Or, as I call it, « badly done tiling window management for illiterate » | 11:10 |
| Kaishi | similar idea to Apple's AppStore or GooglePlay | 11:10 |
| Rotwang | yeah, I was about to say that it sounds appleish/googlish | 11:11 |
| Kaishi | I don't use it, outside of a few very handy apps | 11:11 |
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| Kaishi | most of my work is cli or powershell | 11:11 |
| Kaishi | scripting that is | 11:11 |
| Kaishi | I need VIM for powershell, | 11:11 |
| Kaishi | holy crap | 11:12 |
| Kaishi | that just hit me | 11:12 |
| Kaishi | I remember when I used to loathe vi | 11:12 |
| Kaishi | if anyone needs, here's the powershell 3.0 installer for win7: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=34595 | 11:13 |
| Kaishi | also new WMI, woo | 11:13 |
| Kaishi | probably 20% of my job is WQL against WMI | 11:13 |
| Kaishi | WQL is basically SQL for WMI, just slightly different | 11:14 |
| Kaishi | 95% SQL | 11:14 |
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| muhaha | Hi! | 13:45 |
| muhaha | how i install gnome in crux? | 13:45 |
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| jaeger | muhaha: as far as I know there are no currently maintained gnome ports for crux but you could make a set of your own if you like, or use mate | 14:32 |
| vee_ | i heard mate was considerably lighter too | 14:32 |
| jaeger | it's about the same as gnome 2 | 14:32 |
| muhaha | mate is faster and light? | 14:33 |
| muhaha | i need one windows manager faster, i cant use dwm :( | 14:34 |
| joacim | openbox is nice, if you just need a window manager | 14:34 |
| jaeger | mate is very much like gnome 2, it's not going to be lighter than a standalone WM | 14:34 |
| joacim | there is xfce is you rather have a desktop environment | 14:35 |
| muhaha | i cant use windows minimalist, wanted to use but i cant not | 14:35 |
| muhaha | I remember in a previous version of the site appeared crux for gnome | 14:37 |
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| unterwulf | Hi. Does the official CRUX bug tracker have no functionality to reopen bugs or I am just missing something? | 14:39 |
| muhaha | I will try to compile everything if I succeed, I will make a port! thanks all :) | 14:42 |
| vee_ | oh i thought i read that mate was a bit lighter than gnome3. well, muhaha, dwm is pretty easy, just started using it a few days ago myself | 14:42 |
| jaeger | muhaha: if you decide to use mate, take a look at http://crux-mate.googlecode.com/ | 14:43 |
| jaeger | if you decide to use gnome instead, you'll have to make your own :) | 14:43 |
| jaeger | unterwulf: I believe it does | 14:43 |
| muhaha | vee_ dwm is awesome! I use it for a long time, but I need gnome because if :( | 14:44 |
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| unterwulf | jaeger: Huh, it was not easy but I found the button "Request re-open". Thanks. | 14:49 |
| jaeger | np | 14:49 |
| muhaha | Ire to compile gnome, wish me luck! greetings and thanks | 14:52 |
| jaeger | good luck :) | 14:53 |
| vee_ | woot woot. going to seafoam the car today :D | 15:05 |
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| muahhaa | Error, error, and more error, fcking compile gnome | 16:38 |
| frinnst | gnome is a bitch | 16:38 |
| muahhaa | the bitch not is gnome, the bitch is my boss. | 16:42 |
| frinnst | dont they offer some kind of install-script-package thingy these days? | 16:47 |
| jaeger | your boss might be a bitch but I'd say gnome is, too :P | 16:49 |
| nogagplz | you know the old saying | 16:50 |
| nogagplz | like desktop environment like boss | 16:51 |
| muahhaa | hahaha, my boss want a gnome, I refuse to install debian! crux rlz! | 16:52 |
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| vee_ | how do you guys manage to convince your boss to run linux | 17:06 |
| vee_ | i keep trying to tell the people i help out to do the same...they say no, even though i have everything setup, and have it look similar to their previous desktops | 17:06 |
| muahhaa | jaeger, mate includes all programs? | 17:09 |
| muahhaa | vee_ easy, with two sentences, "more money" | 17:09 |
| muahhaa | words* | 17:09 |
| jaeger | not all yet | 17:12 |
| muahhaa | i need the necessay, e.g file manager | 17:13 |
| vee_ | i gave em' all the benifits, they wouldn't budge. eh, more viruses, more work for this guy | 17:17 |
| joacim | i dont even have an av on my windows install | 17:49 |
| joacim | never had any viruses | 17:49 |
| joacim | so i stopped caring about preventing them | 17:49 |
| joacim | run without one for 3-4 years nwo | 17:49 |
| joacim | now | 17:49 |
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| Romster | deepfreeze? | 18:20 |
| Romster | also post-hangover :D | 18:21 |
| jaeger | vee_: I get jobs that specifically require it :) | 18:28 |
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| vee_ | deep freeze is awesome...use to use shadow defender, it was quite good. jaeger: lucky you. IT jobs here are pretty hard now....everyone is cheap | 19:12 |
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| guzzano | Hi, i need help please | 20:10 |
| guzzano | I installed the kernel, but kernel say: VFS: Canont open root device,or unknow-block(0,0): error-6 | 20:11 |
| guzzano | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknow | 20:11 |
| jaeger | guzzano: that usually means your kernel config is missing support for either your filesystem or your disk controller | 20:11 |
| guzzano | My fileystem (ext4) is compiled and my disk controller | 20:13 |
| jaeger | as builtin <*>, not module? <m> | 20:13 |
| guzzano | Yes < | 20:13 |
| guzzano | <*> | 20:13 |
| jaeger | ok, then what is your disk layout? and the bootloader config? | 20:14 |
| guzzano | Kernel say: Plase append correct "root=" boot option bl bla bla... my bootloader config is with grub-mkconfig | 20:15 |
| jaeger | can you paste the config file somewhere as well as the output from 'fdisk -l' ? | 20:16 |
| jaeger | pastebin.com or similar | 20:16 |
| guzzano | complete? I have to do by hand | 20:26 |
| jaeger | you could use ssh or wgetpaste, perhaps | 20:26 |
| jaeger | or just make sure that your grub config root= option matches the correct partition where / is | 20:27 |
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| vee_ | we've been getting a lot of people coming in lately...what in gods name did arch do | 20:49 |
| Romster | systemd | 20:55 |
| Romster | yeah it's been hectic in here lately. | 20:56 |
| vee_ | sure new faces cant be too bad | 21:00 |
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| joacim | they all came from arch? | 22:08 |
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| prologic | yeah | 22:56 |
| prologic | arch is screwing everyone over with systemd | 22:56 |
| prologic | it's an awful choice | 22:56 |
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| guzzano | Ey jaeger, I installed wgetpaste and say: "Resolving... failed: certificate no valid... intent --no-check-certificate" | 23:12 |
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| jaeger | guzzano: does wgetpaste have an option to ignore certificates? | 23:16 |
| guzzano | Yes, but apparently does not work | 23:17 |
| jaeger | I suppose you could create ~/.wgetrc with "check_certificate = off" in it | 23:19 |
| jaeger | I would NOT leave that there permanently, though | 23:19 |
| guzzano | I've compiled the kernel 32 times hahhahaha. As it did not work I created my own script, fsdisk and grub logs? | 23:22 |
| jaeger | repetition is a good learning tool, sometimes | 23:23 |
| guzzano | fdisk and grub https://gist.github.com/4103776 | 23:32 |
| jaeger | does "blkid | grep sda2" match b6f6cfbc-2ea3-47eb-a447-9614a2165dba ? | 23:33 |
| guzzano | Yes! | 23:36 |
| jaeger | ok, good. can you also paste the kernel config file? | 23:36 |
| jaeger | the grub config looks fine | 23:36 |
| jaeger | out of curiosity, what is /dev/sdb? the partition table output is odd | 23:37 |
| guzzano | sdb is a disk usb | 23:38 |
| guzzano | https://gist.github.com/4103781 | 23:38 |
| jaeger | oops, forgot to ask, can you add "lspci -k" to that? | 23:39 |
| guzzano | lspci https://gist.github.com/4103797 | 23:41 |
| jaeger | and lastly which filesystem did you use? | 23:42 |
| guzzano | ext4 and is compiled | 23:43 |
| jaeger | ok, so I was right earlier when I said this: 20:13 <@jaeger> as builtin <*>, not module? <m> | 23:43 |
| jaeger | CONFIG_EXT4_FS=m CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=m | 23:44 |
| jaeger | those both need to be y (<*> in menuconfig) | 23:44 |
| guzzano | wtf? in menuconfig say... <*>the extend 4 (ext4) filesystem and <*> ext4 extended attributes and posis access | 23:46 |
| jaeger | hrmm, very strange. if menuconfig says <*> then where did the gist come from? | 23:46 |
| jaeger | if you look at line 2046 of the gist it's definitely =m | 23:47 |
| jaeger | same with ata_piix on line 1063 | 23:47 |
| guzzano | Insurance is my mistake. reparare it, thank you very much for your time jaeger, you are awesome! | 23:51 |
| jaeger | np, hope it helps. :) | 23:51 |
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