IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2012-12-16

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cruxbot[xorg.git/2.8]: xorg-xf86-video-intel: 2.20.15 -> 2.20.1601:00
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klrdo i have to uninstall the noveou driver before installing NVIDIA driver?04:05
nogagplzblacklisting it might be enough04:13
klrokey, well, what actually does the NVIDIA package, does it install a module?04:15
klrnogagplz: how do i blacklist it?04:22
cruxbot[opt.git/2.8]: cups: depends on zlib, disable icon- and menudir explicit, thanks Romster04:35
klrX still uses Noveou  and freezes -.-04:35
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jueklr: create a file /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf with content -> blacklist nouveau04:38
jueoops, he left ;)04:39
Romsteri ought to try noveou sometime might be good enough for my use?04:40
Romsterhas any 3D acceleration at all yet?04:40
Romsteror even 2D04:40
nogagplz2D should be fine, 3D is pretty marginal, and only tried it on a gt230m so hardly definitive04:43
jueI'm happy with nouveau, dri works, glx via mesa04:43
juebut I'm not a gamer :)04:43
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: cython: 0.17.1 -> 0.17.204:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: docbook-xsl: 1.75.2 -> 1.77.104:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: zope.interface: 4.0.1 -> 4.0.204:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: xscreensaver: 5.19 -> 5.2004:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: fltk: 1.3.0 -> 1.3.204:48
Romstergts250 i'm running here.04:48
Romsterso i might have a bit of luck maybe04:48
Romsteri really only play runescape lately.04:49
Romsterand some atanks04:49
Romsterthis makes no sense04:57
Romsterar vx cnijfilter-common-3.20-1.i386.rpm04:57
Romsterar: cnijfilter-common-3.20-1.i386.rpm: File format not recognized04:57
Romstercnijfilter-mp640series-3.20-1-i386-rpm/packages/cnijfilter-common-3.20-1.i386.rpm: RPM v3.0 bin i386/x86_6404:57
Romsteri guess version 3 of rpm is not extractable by ar anymore?04:58
Romsterguess it's time to use rpm2targz04:58
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jueRomster: bsdtar should work05:02
Romsteryep that worked.05:02
Romsterhmm didn't try that.05:02
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Romsteryour right jue seems rpm2targz is now obsolete05:13
klrhmm, Xorg doesnt load non-free nvidia driver, and the free software driver freezes :/05:14
Romsterdid you edit xorg.conf to update the video module?05:14
klrthat's maybe is the problem, thanks!05:15
Romsterand probably do gl-select use xorg05:15
klri did use gl-select use xorg05:16
klrwhat do i if xorg freezes? do i have to turn off the power?05:16
klrIT WORKS ! :D05:17
klri use nvidia-xconfig and BAM! it worked :)05:17
klrbut it still freezes :/05:17
Romsterctrl + alt + backspace usually will force xorg to shutdown if that option is enabled.05:17
klrdoesnt work05:17
Romsternote the word force05:17
Romsterthen it's not enabled in xorg.conf05:17
klrwell, do i have to force shutdown?05:18
klrcan that damage the hardware or software?05:18
Romsterno not unless it becomes unresponsive.05:18
klri try05:18
klrhow do i enable force xorg shutdown in xorg.conf?05:19
Romsterman xorg.conf05:21
klrokey, thanks05:21
Romsterthat is a last resort though05:22
klrwhat you mean by that?05:22
klri can check the logs too05:22
Romsterwell if you can't exit xorg cleany you can force X to exit05:22
Romsterit wont cleanup it's files after but should on it's next start05:23
klrthe problem is that it freezes, it doesnt take any input from keybnoard nor mouse05:23
Romsterlog don't say anything after?05:24
Romsteror even dmesg05:24
klryou mean /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?05:25
Romsterand 1.log05:25
klrthere is no 1.log05:25
Romsterok just 0.log then05:25
Romsteralso look at "dmesg"05:25
klrwhere is dmesg?05:26
Romsterit's a command05:26
jueklr: which mouse/keyboard drivers are you using?05:27
klrjue: i dont know05:28
Romsteroh i didn't think did you enable evdev in kernel?05:28
klrmaybe not05:28
klreh, i have to recompile then05:28
Romster$ zgrep EVDEV /proc/config.gz05:28
Romsterif it's not set then yeah make menuconfig enable it then compile install reboot.05:29
klrdo i have to reconfigure and/or reinstall NVIDIA package after that?05:29
Romstermight need to recompile xorg-evdev though05:29
klrokey, is it just to do pkgmk in its port?05:30
Romsterwouldn't hurt to recompile all input/video drivers if you did a sysup to the newer xorg-server05:30
klri did sysup last night05:30
Romsterprt-get update -fr xorg-xf86-input-evdev05:30
Romsterthen you should also do that in al bideo and input drivers05:31
Romsterpkginfo -i |egrep '(video|input)'05:31
Romsteri don't know why but updating some parts of xorg makes keyboard mouse stop working. might be ABI change or something... and a recompile fixes that.05:32
klrwhere in the menuconfig is evdev?05:32
Romstermostly around xorg-server and xorg-libx11 area updates.05:32
Romsterdo a search with /evdev05:32
klroh, can i search :)05:33
klrhmm it was enabled05:33
klris it the "generic input layer"?05:33
Romsteroh ok no more action than to exit then... you could of ehcked with zgrep EVDEV /proc/config.gz05:33
klrit doesnt say anything with evdev when i press ? though05:34
Romsterexit that and do that command above05:34
Romsterproviding you got config.gz enabled that'll work.05:34
Romsterwhich is on by default.05:35
Romsterproviding you got CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV=y then ; prt-get update -fr xorg-xf86-input-evdev xorg-xf86-input-keyboard xorg-xf86-input-mouse xorg-xf86-video-vesa and anything else you have installed. related to video input.05:36
klrit yays it's not set05:36
Romsterthen you'll have to go into menuconfig and enable it.05:36
klrhow do i enable evdev in the kernel? it was enabled but with the comand you told it's not05:36
Romsterand rebuild instal kernel again.05:37
Romsteryou sure you looked at the right location05:37
klrwell, i dont find evdev, it says in search that it's "generic input layer" and it is enabled05:37
Romsterscroll down with down arrow after typing /evdev05:38
klrDevice drivers->Input Device support05:38
klri did05:38
klrthis is strange in search it says it's off, in menu it says it's enabled by default05:38
klris it the Even Interface ?05:39
Romsteryou went device drivers -> to input device support05:39
klri find it i think, compiling now05:40
Romster<*> event interface05:40
Romsterwas it *05:40
klrnow it is05:40
Romsterah wasn't ebfore.05:40
Romsteryeah that'll do it.05:41
klrstill freezes :/05:43
Romsteryou rebooted?05:44
Romsterzgrep EVDEV /proc/config.gz ; now says Y?05:44
klrhave to force shutdown first will check05:44
Romstergood thing reboots are fast.05:45
klrhehe, my BIOS is slow as hell though :p it takes more time for BIOS than Crux's boot05:45
klrhmm it's not set, strange...05:46
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klr<*> Event interface05:47
Romsteryou did copy the and arch/x86/boot/bzImage to /boot/ ? the later being named vmlinuz05:48
Romsterand if oyur running lilo run lilo as root too.05:48
klrbut when i recompile it doesnt do anything, but i tried using make clean first05:48
klrnow im recompileing agfain05:48
Romsterit should work.05:48
Romsterjust your not dong it right.05:48
Romsterdon't forget make modules_install05:49
klrno, i did that, i think i forgot sudo lilo though05:49
Romstereven though you didn't change any modules here you may at some point and forget that.05:49
Romsteryeah if oyu forgot that just do sudo lilo ; sudo /sbin/shurtdown -r now05:50
Romstershouldn't need todo make clean on kernel very often...05:50
klreh, ive already started the recompilation05:50
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klrRomster: thank you very much for all help, it works now :)06:05
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klrATcruxim writting from a Xsession in CRUX :-)06:10
Romsterdamn it i can't open the cups web interface...06:10
klrhi myself06:10
klrATcruxhi how're you?06:10
klrim good06:10
klrATcruxim good too ofc, im you you know ;)06:11
klryeah almost forgot that06:11
klrATcruxwhats your facorite color?06:11
Romsterhah got a comedian here06:11
klrATcruxmine too!06:11
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Romsterok i done the readme now i can't get http://localhost:631/06:12
klrgood bye myself06:12
Romsterwonder what i'm doing wrong.06:12
klrwhatäs CUPS?06:12
Romsterprinter server06:12
klrhmm okey06:12
klrill duckduckgo that06:12
RomsterConnection from localhost refused by /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny rules06:12
Romsteroops there's my problem06:13
Romsterprt-get info cups06:13
klri'll install CRUX on my laptop now :) bye!06:14
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Romsternow she loads.06:15
Romstercupsd: in /etc/hosts.allow06:15
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Romsteradd printer ... Connection reset by peer, ok i think i need more work on this.06:22
Romsterbut first food.06:23
Romsterhi Rotwang06:23
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klrhmm, the alsa-utils ports download url seems to be down08:01
Romsterdamn useless alsa08:04
Romstershould find the files here
klroh thank you :D08:06
klru ps08:11
klrups sry08:11
klrisent alsamixer part of alsa-utils?08:15
Romsteryeah it's in alsa-utils08:17
Romsterprt-get fsearch alsamixer08:17
klrit still doesnt work though , and im in audio grooup08:17
klrbash-4.2$ sudo prt-get fsearch alsamixer08:18
klrFound in /usr/ports/opt/alsa-utils: /usr/bin/alsamixer08:18
Romsterdid you log out and back in after adding yourself to the audio group?08:18
klri added me when i made the user08:18
Romsteroh perhaps yur missing /dev/snd/08:19
Romsterwhich would mean your missing the audio module in kernel08:19
Romsterlspci -k08:19
klri have to recompile it then08:19
Romsterlook in make menuconfig for the sound driver enable it as a module it may not work correctly as built in.08:20
Romsteralsa is bitchy about that.08:20
Romsterthat version-sort page is part of my up2date stuff i'm workiing on too. it's still very far from being complete.08:21
Romsterbut is already useable.08:21
klr SND_SH_DAC_AUDIO <- is it that one i want?08:23
Romstermight be what's lspci -k say08:24
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Romsterhmm this is probably the SND_INTEL8X0 driver08:37
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RomsterIntel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller08:37
Romsterhmm this is probably the SND_INTEL8X0 driver08:37
klrhmm alsamixer still wont open08:37
klri made so ALSA-suport was built as module08:37
RomsterM5455 Audio Controller08:38
horrorStruckit says intel HDA08:38
klrwell, i think the audio is RealTek, but it maybe uses the intel driver+08:39
RomsterAudio device: NVIDIA Corporation Device 0e1b (rev a1)08:39
klrmy motherboards audio is realtek though08:39
RomsterMicro-Star International08:39
klr <M>   Advanced Linux Sound Architecture  --->08:39
Romsterthat's probably a msi mobo?08:39
klrshould that be a module?08:39
klri have msi08:40
klrgraphics card08:40
Romsterthen go into pci sound devices08:40
Romsteroh right asrock motherboard oh i might be looking at the video card's hdmi sound08:41
klryeah, i use dvi though08:41
Romsterintel hda08:41
Romstereasy enough to spot.08:41
klr <M>   Intel HD Audio  --->08:42
klrthat's right?08:42
klrthanks a lot ! :D08:42
Romstermake && make mdoules_install08:42
Romstercopy the stuff over and lilo08:42
Romstershouldn't need to reboot though.08:42
klrbut modules_install08:42
horrorStruckmake sure you get the right device codec support too08:43
Romsterjust do a sudo /sbin/depmod -a && sudo modprobe intel_hda08:43
Romsterdamn my typing...08:43
klrmodprobe: FATAL: Module intel_hda not found08:44
klri might have to reboot08:44
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horrorStruckit's not what the module is called :P08:45
Romstersure he did depmod -a08:45
Romsteror look for the correct name08:45
horrorStruckwrong module name08:45
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klrit works, thanks for all help! :)08:47
RomsterhorrorStruck> wrong module name ; horrorStruck> snd-hda-intel08:47
Romsteroh well i'm a bit tired.08:47
klri rebooted and it worked08:47
Romsteralso if you need too see the irc log
Romsterif you miss anything in here.08:48
Romsteralso why i missed the fact i was looking at the video cards sound than the real sound card.08:48
klroh thanks, it's good since irssi doesnt have scroll back08:49
horrorStruckpage up08:49
Romsterit does as horrorStruck mentions08:50
klrit has scroll back :-)08:51
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Romsterhm why does opera not see my printer...08:59
Romsterqt4 needs something else for cups?08:59
cruxbot[core.git/2.8]: automake: update to 1.12.609:03
klrcruxbot: hi09:32
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: mupen64plus: update to 1.99.510:08
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: pip: update to 1.2.110:25
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: virtualenv: update to 1.8.410:25
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: stevedore: update to 0.7.210:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: virtualenv-clone: new port (a forgotten virtualenvwrapper dep)10:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: virtualenvwrapper: add missing dep10:48
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cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: python-markdown: update to 2.2.110:57
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: pygments: Depends on: distribute11:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: flup: change download url, do not remove egg-info11:03
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krueI successfully upgraded to 2.8 on that efi machine! Instead of trying to boot the usb key, I copied the install files to my boot partition.12:12
krueNow, I need to remember what I did to enable PAM in shadow. Removing '--without-libpam' from configure isn't enough.12:14
teK_install linux-pam?12:15
krueyes, it's installed. I rebuilt it too after the upgrade since in came up in my revdep output.12:15
krueNow, login gives multiple errors about unknown items in login.defs whenever I enter my username.12:17
teK_what does ldd /bin/login say?12:18
teK_or to be more precise: is the login binary linked againt libpam?12:18
krueyes, it's linked against libpam and libpam_misc12:19
jaegerkrue: shadow and pam expect different things in login.defs, that's what causes the messages12:20
krueahh, I didn't know that.12:22
krueSo if I clear up these errors, then login will probably work?12:26
krueThe items affected look like things that PAM is already responsible for.12:26
krueI'll try it and report back...12:26
jaegerThat was my experience back when I was building gnome3 stuff, at least12:27
jaegereven with the messages it still worked, it was just noisy12:28
kruejaeger: That was my experience too in the past. The errors were an annoyance but login still worked.12:29
krueThis time, I immediately get another login prompt after the messages.12:29
jaegerI would guess that the stack needs adjusting rather than login.defs being the cause but I could be wrong12:30
krueI feel like I've been through this before. I'll keep better notes this time :)12:31
jaegerI know the feeling12:31
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cruxbot[opt-x86_64.git/2.8]: jdk: updated to 1.7.0_1013:19
cruxbot[opt-x86_64.git/2.8]: jre: updated to 1.7.0_1013:19
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silversensHi guys15:22
silversensI need a little help, I've just been upgrading from crux 2.7 to 2.815:23
silversensat boot time, my separate /var partition is not mounted15:23
silversensdo someone have any idea why ?15:24
teK_I guess /var is in /etc/fstab?15:25
silversenssure, as it was in my previous 2.715:25
silversensand after boot time15:25
silversensmount /var15:25
silversensdoes the job15:25
teK_it does not have the noauto option set either?15:26
silversensjust defaults15:27
silversens(in options)15:27
teK_please umount /var and execute /bin/mount -a -O no_netdev15:28
teK_will this mount /var?15:28
silversensnope it did not15:31
teK_it's not a "netdev" isnt it? ;)15:32
silversensseriously no :)15:32
silversensit's hdb115:32
silversenseven weirder: when typing mount15:32
silversensit displays "/dev/hdb1 on /var type reiserfs (rw)"15:33
silversensthrice !15:33
silversensbut it's not mounted15:33
teK_well /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts is prolly out of sync15:33
teK_findmnt should display more accurate information15:33
silversensyou're right mtab is15:33
silversens(out of sync)15:34
silversens /proc/mounts is good15:34
silversensfindmnt also tells te truth15:35
teK_maybe that's the problem and mount won't mount /var as it thinks it's already mounted15:35
teK_clean the /var entries in /etc/mtab  && reboot15:35
silversensI'll try that right now15:36
silversensWhat fills mtab ?15:36
teK_/bin/rm -f /etc/mtab*15:36
teK_/bin/touch /etc/mtab15:36
frinnstmtab should be a symlink in 2.815:37
teK_that's from /etc/rc (2.7!)15:37
frinnstdo a rejmerge15:37
teK_yeah :-)15:37
teK_frinnst clears the scene15:37
frinnstalso, never listen to tek15:37
teK_screw you :p15:37
silversensah sorry :/15:37
teK_frinnst: will you  be present during / between the holidays?15:38
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silversensthanks teK_ and frinnst that was obviously it15:41
frinnstteK_: yeah15:42
teK_frinnst: ok, will get back to you then15:42
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: parrot: new port15:52
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: Merge branch '2.8' of crux:/home/crux/scm/ports/contrib into 2.815:52
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: nqp: new port15:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: rakudo: say hello to camelia15:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/2.8]: nqp, rakudo: added missing dependencies15:55
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Rotwangiproute2 and xfsprogs md5sums seem to inaccurate16:03
Rotwangor not, it was download fault, weird16:04
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teK_btw frinnst in the eve of CHRISTMAS .. I have to ask myself if I can continue contributing to an OSS project if there's so much hostility against my person :>17:45
teK_s/in the/on the/17:46
teK_no laughter, only tears17:58
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Romsterwhat hostility? teK_ ?21:14
Romsteri don't see any problems here.21:14
teK_that's for the same reason you don't see my irony either. Everything is fine :)21:15
Romsteri'm too busy to even see the irony21:21
Romsterlate lunch at 2pm21:22
Romsternow back to work.21:22
teK_take care21:22
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