| nogagplz | spelled grinning wrong twice | 00:00 |
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| Romster | can't get into any coding, i'm still too burned out from work week | 00:00 |
| Romster | but i am doing port checking stuff though. it's mostly looking at it compile. | 00:01 |
| Romster | 18:59:42 up 1 day, 6:42, 1 user, load average: 4.61, 4.26, 4.04 | 00:01 |
| Romster | on a quadcore. | 00:01 |
| Romster | i see no reason to push the number way past the 4 mark on a quadcore you gain nothing. | 00:02 |
| Romster | nogagplz, you may wanna bump your weechat port someone mentioned about it int he mailing list | 00:04 |
| nogagplz | it's always something | 00:05 |
| Romster | how do you think feel when stuff randomly brakes due to some port bump making my ports look bad. | 00:05 |
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| nogagplz | do you have a link to what they said | 00:08 |
| Romster | http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.crux.general | 00:11 |
| vee_ | why hello Romster | 00:14 |
| nogagplz | guess I'll look after doing more of emus for 3 | 00:14 |
| Romster | k nogagplz | 00:15 |
| Romster | hey vee | 00:15 |
| vee_ | how do you do? | 00:15 |
| Romster | the same as usual. | 00:17 |
| vee_ | hope the usual is good, then. | 00:18 |
| Romster | it is 3 day weekend so it's a bit more relaxing | 00:18 |
| vee_ | ah. lucky you lol | 00:20 |
| Romster | australia day is today but we get monday off | 00:22 |
| vee_ | ah. anything planned for that monday? | 00:23 |
| Romster | nope sweet bugger all | 00:28 |
| vee_ | monday is gym day >.> | 00:28 |
| Romster | your gym day? | 00:30 |
| nogagplz | you know getting ripped and muscle stuff | 00:31 |
| vee_ | yep. plan on deadlifting 300 pounds. cant come if i dont. lol | 00:31 |
| nogagplz | isn't that a bit excessive | 00:31 |
| vee_ | not really... | 00:31 |
| vee_ | friends smaller than me, shorter than me, weighs less than me, and he could pull over 500 :/ | 00:32 |
| nogagplz | ._. | 00:32 |
| nogagplz | well you have my blessing so long as you split your pants trying | 00:32 |
| Romster | hmm what is that in killograms | 00:32 |
| nogagplz | like roughly 150 | 00:33 |
| nogagplz | for 300lbs | 00:33 |
| vee_ | it almost a year since i started, and im not complaing about 300 :P | 00:33 |
| Romster | geez is that arms lifting up or what? | 00:33 |
| Romster | i can leg press that easily but lifting that with arms, bugger that. | 00:33 |
| nogagplz | I got to 203kg on the leg press but have hit the wall | 00:33 |
| Romster | i can lift 60KG and carry that up 3 flights of stares | 00:34 |
| vee_ | leg pressing isn't a true test of power if you ask me. but dead lift is legs and a bit of your back | 00:34 |
| vee_ | i can squat almost 300 lb too lol | 00:34 |
| mike_k | cmon, cycling is the only real sport! | 00:35 |
| vee_ | i use to moutain bike, does that count? | 00:35 |
| nogagplz | unicycles only | 00:35 |
| Romster | haha | 00:35 |
| mike_k | vee_: me to infact ). So yeah, that counts! | 00:36 |
| vee_ | oh man, i went back up the mountains recently after my whole gym transformation, and its a really different experience | 00:36 |
| vee_ | i should make youtube videos, feature crux, and how it helped me through my journey, and acquire youtube monayz | 00:37 |
| mike_k | o_O | 00:37 |
| vee_ | haha | 00:37 |
| vee_ | also, it took me forever to figure out why i couldn't get dmenu working in dwm. apparently, dmenu wont work unless its installed. ---____>> | 00:38 |
| Romster | d'oh | 00:41 |
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| spaceninja | hi, does the mysql opt port supports utf-8? | 00:48 |
| spaceninja | yes, manages to change the charset | 00:52 |
| spaceninja | -s | 00:52 |
| spaceninja | hmm, there's no /usr/share/mysql/charsets/utf-8.xml file | 00:54 |
| spaceninja | ah, my bad, was trying set the charset to 'utf-8' in flask, but I should of typed 'utf8' | 01:09 |
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| vee_ | so whats the "new" thermal compound everyone uses | 01:38 |
| Romster | artic silver | 01:41 |
| vee_ | been using as5, but, heard that ic diamond was better | 01:41 |
| vee_ | rather read, not heard | 01:41 |
| Romster | really it's a degree or two different so unless your OC-ng it wont matter | 01:42 |
| Romster | OC-ing | 01:42 |
| vee_ | hm... | 01:44 |
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| timcowchip | without udisks how does spacefm mount external? | 02:06 |
| nogagplz | does it support hal? | 02:07 |
| timcowchip | i don't really know | 02:07 |
| timcowchip | i believe udisks is required | 02:07 |
| timcowchip | i tried installing it | 02:08 |
| nogagplz | I tried wrestling with it once upon a time but never got anywhere | 02:09 |
| nogagplz | probably somebody with some idea shoukld try :P | 02:09 |
| timcowchip | i get: | 02:10 |
| timcowchip | No package 'polkit-gobject-1' found | 02:10 |
| timcowchip | so i installed polkit | 02:10 |
| timcowchip | no dice | 02:10 |
| nogagplz | did you build polkit with gobject installed | 02:11 |
| timcowchip | no | 02:11 |
| timcowchip | duh? | 02:11 |
| nogagplz | that was a suggestion, ie try it | 02:12 |
| nogagplz | duh | 02:12 |
| timcowchip | is it pygobject? | 02:12 |
| timcowchip | or gobject-introspection? | 02:13 |
| timcowchip | those are the only 2 ports | 02:13 |
| tilman | read configure output from policykit | 02:13 |
| tilman | and see if it says something about gobject | 02:13 |
| timcowchip | where is that stuff? | 02:14 |
| timcowchip | is there a /tmp configure.log? | 02:14 |
| tilman | configure output is on stdout when you run prt-get install or fakeroot pkgmk ... | 02:15 |
| timcowchip | you mean read it as it scrolls by | 02:15 |
| timcowchip | fakeroot, eh? | 02:15 |
| tilman | you realize you can redirect stdout, right? | 02:15 |
| tilman | also read man pkgmk about the -kw option | 02:15 |
| timcowchip | ok thanks | 02:16 |
| timcowchip | should i be using fakeroot with pkgmk? | 02:16 |
| tilman | yes | 02:16 |
| timcowchip | otherwise? | 02:16 |
| tilman | doesn't the handbook say so? | 02:16 |
| timcowchip | probably | 02:17 |
| tilman | oh goodie, it does | 02:17 |
| timcowchip | there's no prebuilt packages, huh? | 02:18 |
| timcowchip | like slackware | 02:18 |
| timcowchip | its just so time consuming to build everything plus deps | 02:20 |
| timcowchip | the installation had prebuilt packages | 02:21 |
| timcowchip | right? | 02:21 |
| tilman | right | 02:22 |
| tilman | http://crux.nu/portdb/?q=policy&a=search | 02:22 |
| tilman | did you try that port? | 02:22 |
| timcowchip | but prt-get is unaware of them | 02:22 |
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| Romster | then add it to prt-get.conf | 02:27 |
| timcowchip | oh ok | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | :)thanks | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | from spacefm: | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | Enter the command to mount a device: | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | Use: | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | %v device file ( eg /dev/sda5 ) | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | %o volume-specific mount options | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | udevil:/usr/bin/udevil mount -o %o %v | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | pmount:/usr/bin/pmount %v | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | Udisks2:/usr/bin/udisksctl mount -b %v -o %o | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | Udisks1:/usr/bin/udisks --mount %v --mount-options %o | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | Leave blank for auto-detection. | 02:28 |
| timcowchip | what do you think of udevil? | 02:30 |
| tilman | i know nothing | 02:30 |
| timcowchip | udevil can also replace udisks in the SpaceFM file manager and the devmon automounting daemon | 02:31 |
| timcowchip | http://ignorantguru.github.com/udevil/ | 02:32 |
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| timcowchip | are you guys in Sweden? | 02:35 |
| tilman | the crux project is hosted in sweden | 02:36 |
| tilman | and there are a few swedes in here | 02:36 |
| tilman | ;] | 02:36 |
| timcowchip | is it like 11am? | 02:37 |
| timcowchip | 2:37am here in Oregon | 02:37 |
| tilman | 11:35 | 02:37 |
| timcowchip | i probably won't wake up till the crack of noon | 02:40 |
| timcowchip | 9pm there | 02:40 |
| timcowchip | i'm on the Salix team with most of the members in Greece and France | 02:41 |
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| timcowchip | its hard to be awake at the same time | 02:42 |
| timcowchip | i package gpodder for Salix and Slackbuilds | 02:43 |
| timcowchip | i was going to try to make a gpodder port for Crux | 02:44 |
| timcowchip | have to get external devices mounted to use gpodder's file transfer feature | 02:46 |
| timcowchip | maybe i should try to make a udevil port first? | 02:47 |
| Romster | i thought udevel was a joke on udev... | 02:48 |
| Romster | err udevil | 02:48 |
| timcowchip | http://ignorantguru.github.com/udevil/ | 02:48 |
| Romster | oh looks ok though at the description but you can mount disks if you add the user option to fstab. | 02:50 |
| timcowchip | on the usb line instead of defaults? | 02:52 |
| timcowchip | usb /proc/bus/usb usbfs user 0 0 | 02:53 |
| timcowchip | how long to rebuild firefox? | 02:54 |
| timcowchip | usb /proc/bus/usb usbfs ro,user,noauto,unhide 0 0 | 02:56 |
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| niklaswe | god morgoning | 03:03 |
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| Romster | http://youtu.be/jYeWIKnNo-Y?t=2m23s the heck a char driven down the road.... | 07:27 |
| Romster | and a drum kit and guitar at the end... on a motor cycle and side carriage... | 07:31 |
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| frinnst | driving in russia must be one heck of an experience | 07:43 |
| prologic | niklaswe, ping | 07:43 |
| Romster | i'm glad i do not drive there. | 07:56 |
| joacim | i hear road accident scams are pretty common over there | 08:02 |
| joacim | why so many drive with cameras mounted in their cars | 08:02 |
| joacim | random drivers who bump into you, or pedestrians who throw themselves at your car | 08:03 |
| Romster | i can't believe why half of them are let on the roads | 08:03 |
| joacim | dont think i would have chosen a shiny new car if i wanted to drive in russia | 08:04 |
| joacim | would probably get an old lada | 08:04 |
| frinnst | yeah thats why everyone of them have a dash-cam | 08:27 |
| frinnst | just happy they discovered youtube :D | 08:27 |
| mike_k | and yes, I can totally confirm this shitty situation. Here, in Ukraine is not much better. ( | 08:27 |
| frinnst | I almost had an accident once. it was 2-3 days after i passed the exam and got a license and it was 100% my fault :) | 08:31 |
| Rotwang | I had 2 accident since I passed driving examp | 08:32 |
| Rotwang | both of them was my fault | 08:33 |
| Rotwang | lol | 08:33 |
| frinnst | hah | 08:34 |
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| joe9 | it appears that the nicks on this channel have increased lately? | 08:50 |
| Rotwang | it is usually ~50 | 08:51 |
| Rotwang | but my nick can increase too | 08:51 |
| __MR_ROTWANG__ | here, increased | 08:51 |
| frinnst | +1 | 08:54 |
| prologic | joe9, we've been seeing a lot of users from Arch come over | 08:55 |
| prologic | because of the uproar with the choice of systemd | 08:55 |
| prologic | and breaking so many things | 08:55 |
| prologic | iirc it pissed quite a few hard core arch users off | 08:55 |
| __MR_ROTWANG__ | what is a "hard core arch user"? | 08:55 |
| prologic | you now | 08:56 |
| prologic | a non-novice :) | 08:56 |
| __MR_ROTWANG__ | ok | 08:56 |
| prologic | someone that actually knows a thing or two | 08:56 |
| __MR_ROTWANG__ | I've always thought that crux has potential | 08:56 |
| __MR_ROTWANG__ | we need a bit bigger user base | 08:57 |
| prologic | no actaully | 09:01 |
| prologic | the user base as it is is just fine :) | 09:01 |
| prologic | I think in some respects we survive off the hard work of the larger distros and the hard work of the devs and community members | 09:02 |
| prologic | but if we popularize crux, I doubt it'll remain the same CRUX as Per Liden once designed | 09:02 |
| prologic | it'll become bastardized just like every other distro that started out small and solved some specific needs of those who built/designed them | 09:03 |
| Rotwang | everything evolves | 09:03 |
| prologic | this is true | 09:03 |
| Rotwang | as long as we stick to KISS everything will be fine | 09:03 |
| prologic | and CRUX has slowly evolved over time too | 09:03 |
| prologic | but it's more or less the same as it was at 1.2 | 09:03 |
| prologic | like I could see us moving to runit at some point | 09:04 |
| prologic | but never systemd or upstart | 09:04 |
| Rotwang | I think current sysvinit is ok, but we need more (stable) maintainers, more bug reporting people and so on. | 09:05 |
| prologic | yeah I suppose | 09:07 |
| Rotwang | and I need buildserver with more ram [; | 09:10 |
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| busk32 | Does CRUX startup services in serial or parallel and is there any way to modify that? | 09:31 |
| prologic | serial | 09:32 |
| prologic | no | 09:32 |
| prologic | not exactly | 09:32 |
| prologic | not without using a different init | 09:32 |
| prologic | we use sysvinit by deafult | 09:32 |
| prologic | default* | 09:32 |
| tilman | anyone happen to have a dejagnu port? | 09:33 |
| busk32 | Why would you want to start services serially? | 09:33 |
| prologic | looked on crux.nu/portdb ? | 09:34 |
| busk32 | Because some might depends on others? | 09:34 |
| busk32 | depend* | 09:34 |
| tilman | ofc | 09:34 |
| prologic | I guess we use sysvinit for lack of a better alternative | 09:34 |
| prologic | right tilman? :) | 09:34 |
| prologic | runit ihmo is probably the nest best choice | 09:34 |
| prologic | and I believe Romster and others have tried it out with some success | 09:34 |
| busk32 | I see | 09:36 |
| busk32 | I was just wondering, because I think there are many better alternatives | 09:36 |
| tilman | since i don't reboot my crux systems all the time and they don't need long to start the daemons... i couldn't care less | 09:37 |
| tilman | :> | 09:37 |
| busk32 | Yeah I see your point with that | 09:37 |
| prologic | yeah | 09:38 |
| prologic | that's kind of the same here | 09:38 |
| prologic | 03:37:26 up 18 days, 20:30, 0 users, load average: 0.63, 0.52, 0.65 | 09:38 |
| prologic | as you acn see I never even reboot or shutdown my desktop | 09:39 |
| prologic | so a lot of us simply don't care enough :) | 09:39 |
| prologic | and servers - well they should never be shutdown or rebooted | 09:39 |
| tilman | herp derp | 09:39 |
| tilman | prologic: when they are, you want them to boot fast tho :> | 09:40 |
| busk32 | Unfortunately I only run CRUX on personal (read: small noob machines) servers | 09:40 |
| busk32 | I'm not allowed to replace CentOS on the real deal :/ | 09:40 |
| prologic | $ ssh bart "uptime" | 09:41 |
| prologic | 09:39:50 up 537 days, 6:11, 0 users, load average: 0.20, 0.22, 0.15 | 09:41 |
| busk32 | Wow | 09:41 |
| busk32 | How about updates? | 09:41 |
| busk32 | Kernel | 09:41 |
| busk32 | More specifically | 09:41 |
| busk32 | That must be really outdated | 09:41 |
| prologic | umm | 09:41 |
| prologic | let me see | 09:41 |
| prologic | $ ssh bart "uname -a" | 09:42 |
| prologic | Linux bart.shortcircuit.net.au 2.6.35.6 #1 SMP Mon Jun 13 15:06:25 UTC 2011 i686 Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D510 @ 1.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux | 09:42 |
| prologic | not so old | 09:42 |
| prologic | :) | 09:42 |
| prologic | it runs crux 2.7 | 09:43 |
| busk32 | I guess I'm just a bleeding edge freak | 09:43 |
| prologic | I would be too | 09:43 |
| prologic | but time is not plentiful :) | 09:43 |
| busk32 | I'm still young and confused so I have plenty of time :) | 09:44 |
| joe9 | prologic: check out my runit port here: https://github.com/joe9/crux/tree/master/runit | 09:45 |
| prologic | oh sweet :) | 09:45 |
| prologic | success with it? | 09:46 |
| joe9 | busk32: this is my kernel: http://codepad.org/Z9qhCNXE | 09:46 |
| joe9 | prologic: yes, i am using it. | 09:46 |
| busk32 | Awesome, I know what to do tonight! | 09:47 |
| joe9 | prologic: have been for the last 2 days. so, not sure what else might go wrong. | 09:47 |
| busk32 | Actually I've never heard of runit before | 09:47 |
| prologic | runit is actually quite good | 09:47 |
| prologic | it has a nice clean implementation | 09:47 |
| prologic | and isn't overly complex | 09:47 |
| prologic | it does process management like you expect | 09:47 |
| prologic | not much more | 09:47 |
| joe9 | simpler, though the C code is a bit off the track. it is not a lot. easy to comprehend. | 09:47 |
| joe9 | it takes a different take on sysvinit compared to systemd, making things smaller than the other way around. | 09:50 |
| joe9 | imho, | 09:50 |
| joe9 | there is a distro called dragora that uses runit as its' init. | 09:50 |
| joe9 | and they plan to move to S6 at some point. | 09:50 |
| prologic | $ git clone https://github.com/joe9/crux/tree/master/runit | 09:51 |
| prologic | Cloning into runit... | 09:51 |
| prologic | fatal: https://github.com/joe9/crux/tree/master/runit/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? | 09:51 |
| joe9 | with S6, execline scared me off. | 09:51 |
| joe9 | prologic: no, did not know about the update-server-info. will do that now. | 09:51 |
| joe9 | prologic: i do not know what is wrong with the clone. let me figure that out. | 09:53 |
| joe9 | prologic: the port is also on crux portsdb, if that helps. | 09:53 |
| prologic | ahh k | 09:53 |
| prologic | I'll just sync it from there then | 09:53 |
| busk32 | I'll reboot to CRUX, I have to try runit. Wish me luck. :) | 09:54 |
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| joe9 | prologic: please be mindful of the version as I am not sure how often the crux portsdb gets synced. I am not sure if there is a 24hr lag. | 09:56 |
| prologic | nps | 09:57 |
| jaeger | It gets updated once per day, I believe | 09:58 |
| joe9 | prologic: try this: git clone git://github.com/joe9/crux | 09:58 |
| prologic | worked | 09:59 |
| prologic | ta | 09:59 |
| joe9 | prologic: from here: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3778042/github-error-cloning-my-private-repository | 09:59 |
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| joe9 | prologic: if you decide to try out runit, also be mindful of: http://codepad.org/QpV1PVZE | 11:11 |
| joe9 | prologic: they are not a big deal, but, I did not want the port to overwrite the existing init. | 11:12 |
| prologic | kk | 11:14 |
| joe9 | prologic: this is dragora's /etc/runit/1, if you are interested: http://pastebin.com/sPB8CySM | 11:21 |
| joe9 | prologic: this is dragora's /etc/runit/2, http://pastebin.com/Uzb1h0zG | 11:22 |
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| timcowchip | core filesystem 3.0-2 3.0-1 | 12:00 |
| timcowchip | should i update this? | 12:00 |
| timcowchip | or this? | 12:01 |
| timcowchip | core pkgutils 5.35.4-1 5.35.3-1 | 12:01 |
| timcowchip | updating filesystem causes all kinds of problems with Arch | 12:01 |
| timcowchip | crack o' noon:) | 12:02 |
| timcowchip | does Linus Torvalds use Crux? | 12:03 |
| timcowchip | firefox is f'n broke | 12:06 |
| timcowchip | i did prt-get update -fr `revdep` like Romster suggested | 12:07 |
| timcowchip | it upgraded jre | 12:07 |
| timcowchip | then i upgraded firefox | 12:07 |
| timcowchip | 6 hours later its still crashing | 12:08 |
| timcowchip | i've got dillo | 12:09 |
| timcowchip | piece of crap browser | 12:10 |
| timcowchip | not dillo.........firefox | 12:10 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: i use ff | 12:13 |
| joe9 | on crux | 12:13 |
| joe9 | what broke? can you please post the error log oslt? | 12:14 |
| timcowchip | it just closes | 12:14 |
| joe9 | ff has been the fastest and actually quite pleasing to use on crux. i was on debian before and it was slow as hell. made me have a windows m/c just for browsing. | 12:14 |
| timcowchip | you mean iceweasel? | 12:15 |
| timcowchip | or firefox on debian? | 12:15 |
| joe9 | yeah, I think that was debian's version. | 12:15 |
| timcowchip | i know it would take 15 seconds just to open | 12:15 |
| timcowchip | firefox used to work for me | 12:16 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: another thing that really helped me was using the cflags to compile firefox. | 12:16 |
| joe9 | that also helped a lot. | 12:16 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: btw, just wanted to check. are you new to crux? | 12:16 |
| timcowchip | yes | 12:17 |
| timcowchip | been using slackware | 12:17 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: I moved to crux probably an year ago. so, I am not the experienced guy. | 12:17 |
| timcowchip | i did ports -d | 12:17 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: this is my pkgmk.conf http://codepad.org/FvngB5eB | 12:18 |
| joe9 | if that interests you. | 12:18 |
| timcowchip | i've an intel atom d510 | 12:19 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: I also use "links -g" as the other browser. super fast, imho. tried dillo sometime ago. | 12:19 |
| timcowchip | is links a cli browser? | 12:19 |
| joe9 | links -g opens a gui | 12:20 |
| timcowchip | oh | 12:20 |
| joe9 | dillo's gui, frow what I recall, is good. | 12:20 |
| timcowchip | i like it | 12:20 |
| joe9 | but, dillo did not have keyboard navigation in those days. | 12:20 |
| timcowchip | your pkgmk.conf is not for x86_64 | 12:21 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: any recommendations? I would love to add stuff to it. | 12:22 |
| joe9 | but, this build flags sped up my ff. so, anything more would be a good plus. | 12:22 |
| timcowchip | how do you figure out what cflags work for your machine? | 12:23 |
| timcowchip | yuo're using i686? | 12:23 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: i started with some and a bunch of ports broke. then started removing until everything worked fine. | 12:23 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: i have 4 m/c's on crux. 3 are i686. 1 is x86_64 | 12:24 |
| timcowchip | ok | 12:24 |
| timcowchip | should i update filesystem? | 12:24 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: why do you say that the flags are i686 specific? I would love to improve on what I have. | 12:24 |
| timcowchip | bash-4.2# ports -d | 12:25 |
| timcowchip | Collection Name Port Installed | 12:25 |
| timcowchip | contrib gst-plugins-base 1.0.5-1 0.10.36-1 | 12:25 |
| timcowchip | core e2fsprogs 1.42.7-1 1.42.5-1 | 12:25 |
| timcowchip | core filesystem 3.0-2 3.0-1 | 12:25 |
| timcowchip | core pkgutils 5.35.4-1 5.35.3-1 | 12:25 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: I am on 2.8 and this is my filesystem version: http://codepad.org/CFCJJLx8 | 12:25 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: I prefer "prt-get diff --prefer-higher" | 12:26 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: are you on 3.0? | 12:26 |
| timcowchip | will "prt-get diff --prefer-higher" do the updating? | 12:26 |
| joe9 | http://codepad.org/3VYeyVqV is my e2fsprogs | 12:26 |
| timcowchip | yes i'm on 3.0 | 12:26 |
| timcowchip | 64 bit | 12:26 |
| joe9 | is my pkgutils: http://codepad.org/Bi8yzndo | 12:27 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: i do not see why you should not upgrade. but, I am not on 3.0. | 12:27 |
| joe9 | if you have prt-get.conf configured. prt-get can do the update with "prt-get sysup" | 12:28 |
| joe9 | of all those ports. | 12:28 |
| timcowchip | ok thanks | 12:28 |
| timcowchip | as of 3.8 linux kernel will be only 64 bit | 12:28 |
| joe9 | oh, good to know. thanks. that is interesting. | 12:29 |
| timcowchip | slackware still uses 3.2 | 12:29 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: if you stick with the kernel provided by the release. you can just compile your own, correct? | 12:30 |
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| timcowchip | i don't see why not | 12:31 |
| timcowchip | 3.6.11 for Crux 3.0 | 12:31 |
| tilman | "as of 3.8 linux kernel will be only 64 bit" | 12:31 |
| tilman | what? | 12:31 |
| timcowchip | that's the rumor | 12:32 |
| joacim | doesnt sound that legit | 12:32 |
| tilman | what's your source? | 12:32 |
| tilman | moronix? | 12:32 |
| tilman | :> | 12:32 |
| timcowchip | http://technewspedia.com/linux-kernel-3-8-will-not-support-old-intel-386-cpus-80386-compatible/ | 12:35 |
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| joe9 | that talks about 386. isn't 686 different? | 12:36 |
| tilman | Link: Linux Kernel Drops Support For Old Intel 386 CPUs (Phoronix) | 12:36 |
| tilman | (from your article) | 12:36 |
| tilman | CALLED IT | 12:36 |
| tilman | \\o | 12:36 |
| tilman | p// | 12:36 |
| tilman | \o/ | 12:36 |
| tilman | joe9: that, too | 12:37 |
| timcowchip | i685 can't be far behind | 12:37 |
| tilman | even if it's true, nothing to see here | 12:37 |
| timcowchip | i686 | 12:37 |
| timcowchip | wears that x86_128 that intel promised? | 12:38 |
| timcowchip | where's | 12:38 |
| timcowchip | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Linux-Kernel-3-8-Says-Goodbye-to-i386-314293.shtml | 12:43 |
| frinnst | when was the 386 released? 92, 93? | 12:49 |
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| vee_ | heyooo | 12:49 |
| timcowchip | zilog | 12:54 |
| timcowchip | z80 | 12:55 |
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| timcowchip | D-Bus library appears to be incorrectly set up; failed to read machine uuid: Failed to open "/etc/machine-id": No such file or directory | 13:01 |
| timcowchip | See the manual page for dbus-uuidgen to correct this issue. | 13:02 |
| timcowchip | D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace | 13:02 |
| timcowchip | Aborted | 13:02 |
| timcowchip | this is what happens when firefox crashes | 13:02 |
| joe9 | i do not use dbus, or, a desktop | 13:03 |
| joe9 | i just start xinit -> xmonad. | 13:03 |
| joe9 | and the stuff/apps I use the most are attached to key bindings. | 13:04 |
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| timcowchip | dbus-uuidgen --ensure | 13:04 |
| joe9 | http://www.shellperson.net/autostart-x-without-gdm/ | 13:05 |
| timcowchip | #c1:2:respawn:/sbin/agetty --noclear 38400 tty1 linux | 13:06 |
| timcowchip | c1:2:respawn:/bin/login -f chris tty1 </dev/tty1 >/dev/tty1 2>&1 | 13:06 |
| timcowchip | if [[ -z $DISPLAY ]] && [[ $(tty) = /dev/tty1 ]]; then | 13:06 |
| timcowchip | exec startx | 13:06 |
| timcowchip | # Could use xinit instead of startx | 13:06 |
| timcowchip | #exec xinit -- /usr/bin/X -nolisten tcp vt7 | 13:06 |
| timcowchip | fi | 13:06 |
| joe9 | exec /sbin/agetty --autologin joe --8bits --keep-baud 38400 tty6 startx -- should work too. | 13:08 |
| timcowchip | i found mine in the crunchbang forum | 13:09 |
| timcowchip | shellperson uses ratpoison | 13:09 |
| joe9 | https://github.com/joe9/crux/blob/master/runit-startx/run | 13:10 |
| timcowchip | i remember buying a GEOS 5 1/4 inch floppy and a 2 button mouse for my C128 and i never looked back | 13:11 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: one thing I found out. use xinit instead of startx. xinit responds to sigTERM and term/hup 's its' children. | 13:11 |
| joe9 | whereas startx does not. | 13:11 |
| timcowchip | ok | 13:12 |
| joe9 | and, also when you start agetty that way, do you see any warnings in /var/log/auth? | 13:12 |
| timcowchip | Jan 26 11:47:54 host su[314]: Successful su for root by chris | 13:13 |
| timcowchip | Jan 26 11:47:54 host su[314]: + /dev/pts/0 chris:root | 13:13 |
| timcowchip | Jan 26 11:48:53 host sudo: chris : TTY=pts/1 ; PWD=/home/chris ; USER=root ; COMMAND=/usr/bin/geany | 13:13 |
| timcowchip | Jan 26 13:03:52 host su[32481]: Successful su for root by chris | 13:13 |
| timcowchip | Jan 26 13:03:52 host su[32481]: + /dev/pts/1 chris:root | 13:13 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: oh, you use login -f, not agetty, my mistake. | 13:14 |
| joe9 | I think login -f does not set utmp. | 13:14 |
| timcowchip | set utmp? | 13:14 |
| timcowchip | i think i just figured out why this chat room is way more active than my slackware chatroom | 13:16 |
| joe9 | i think something to do with utmpset, agetty does that. login does not. not very sure of the details though. i think google might help. | 13:16 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: why? | 13:16 |
| timcowchip | you guys are always building something and can't do much else while that's happening | 13:16 |
| joe9 | timcowchip: derogatory? or, maybe we care about what we do and are happy to talk about it? | 13:17 |
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| timcowchip | no offense;-) | 13:17 |
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| timcowchip | i'm doing prt-get sysup | 13:18 |
| timcowchip | yesterday i was building qt | 13:19 |
| timcowchip | so i can't do much else | 13:19 |
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| jaeger | timcowchip: if you didn't already find it, there's a post-install script in /usr/ports/opt/dbus that runs dbus-uuidgen | 13:20 |
| timcowchip | i didn't mean to offend, just an observation:-[ | 13:21 |
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| timcowchip | ok thanks, joe9, i'll try running that script | 13:22 |
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| joacim | but i do a lot of different things while i build. :S | 13:28 |
| joacim | watch movies, read, talk to people, go outside and smell the ashes, stuff i normally do when i dont build packages | 13:29 |
| diverse | That must of been hard to remove for Linus, considering he built his kernel on the early i386 cpus at the time. Must of been nostalgic. | 13:33 |
| jaeger | he doesn't seem the nostalgic type, I doubt it | 13:35 |
| jaeger | I could be wrong, though, just a guess | 13:35 |
| diverse | The kernel is getting bloated, so removing unwanted complexity is the way to go. Its just I remember reading his book "Just for fun" at the time. | 13:37 |
| jaeger | http://pastebin.com/jwcpH5Dk <-- anyone ever seen this before? debian 6 system not creating device nodes for sdb's partitions | 13:45 |
| jaeger | happens every boot and you can see the partition table there | 13:45 |
| tilman | jaeger: check dmesg/kernel log yet? | 13:46 |
| tilman | ie, does the _kernel_ find those partitions? | 13:46 |
| diverse | jaeger: its a systemd conspiracy | 13:47 |
| diverse | :P | 13:47 |
| jaeger | tilman: nothing out of the ordinary at all in the log, running partprobe makes it reprobe and find them | 13:50 |
| jaeger | [ 7.328371] sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 | 13:50 |
| jaeger | [ 7.328605] sd 1:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk | 13:50 |
| jaeger | yeah, they show up in dmesg | 13:50 |
| jaeger | [ 7.329611] sda1 sda2 sda3 | 13:50 |
| jaeger | [ 7.329812] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk | 13:50 |
| jaeger | since they're not created in dev, though, the md arrays all come up with only their sda devices | 13:51 |
| tilman | jaeger: that was all i had, sorry ;D | 13:52 |
| jaeger | I appreciate the effort :) | 13:52 |
| jaeger | Another bit of weird info - it doesn't happen in debian 5, only happens after upgrading to 6 | 13:52 |
| jaeger | It didn't happen in a VM I built to test the same upgrade path, only on this real hardware | 13:53 |
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| frinnst | jaeger: sounds very strange | 15:00 |
| jaeger | It is, and rather annoying | 15:01 |
| jaeger | I suppose it's possible there's something wrong with the second hard drive | 15:01 |
| frinnst | you upgraded that machine from 5->6 ? | 15:01 |
| jaeger | yes | 15:01 |
| jaeger | thouhg I would expect problems to show up in 5 as well if they were hardware-related | 15:02 |
| jaeger | er, though | 15:02 |
| frinnst | yeah | 15:02 |
| frinnst | id suspect a botched upgrade of udev or something similar | 15:02 |
| jaeger | yeah, I considered that, but I've done the same in VMs several times and thinking I had somehow screwed it up I uninstalled and reinstalled udev manually a couple times | 15:02 |
| frinnst | some silly rule or something | 15:03 |
| frinnst | ah | 15:03 |
| jaeger | it's pretty odd :( | 15:03 |
| tilman | can you ask udev to re-scan devices? | 15:03 |
| tilman | .oO(+ verbose flags and shit to dig up some error messages?) | 15:03 |
| jaeger | so far there aren't error messages | 15:04 |
| jaeger | If I run partprobe the devices get created at that point but no errors occur before that | 15:04 |
| jaeger | I'll try doing the same with udevadm | 15:04 |
| jaeger | udevadm trigger --subsystem-match=block doesn't do it | 15:08 |
| jaeger | http://pastebin.com/qZ6GQWtJ <-- this doesn't make sense to me | 15:10 |
| jaeger | ah, after adding -v it makes sense | 15:11 |
| jaeger | http://pastebin.com/VNpyYgVL | 15:11 |
| jaeger | that tells me where md4 came from but not why /dev/sdb* still aren't being created | 15:11 |
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| timcowchip | udevil works:) | 15:35 |
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| timcowchip | is it SERVICES=(net crond alsa samba)? | 16:17 |
| timcowchip | or SERVICES=(net crond alsa smb)? | 16:18 |
| diverse | timcowchip: ls /etc/rc.d/ | 16:18 |
| timcowchip | oh | 16:19 |
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| timcowchip | thank you diverse, that was easier that i thought it would be:) | 16:20 |
| timcowchip | bash-4.2$ ls /etc/rc.d | 16:23 |
| timcowchip | alsa dbus inetd nfs rpcbindsamba sysklogd | 16:23 |
| timcowchip | crond exim net nfsserver rsyncdsshd | 16:23 |
| timcowchip | so its all ready to go | 16:23 |
| timcowchip | ? | 16:23 |
| diverse | timcowchip: it tells you the right service name, so its "samba" | 16:24 |
| timcowchip | oh ok | 16:24 |
| timcowchip | i must need more coffe | 16:24 |
| timcowchip | e | 16:24 |
| diverse | Sounds like a good priority | 16:25 |
| timcowchip | thanks again:) | 16:27 |
| timcowchip | kirk out | 16:27 |
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| timcowchip | anyone had any luck munting samba shares? | 17:05 |
| frinnst | mounting? | 17:06 |
| frinnst | cifs-utils or whatever the port is called | 17:06 |
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| timcowchip | thanks frinnst | 17:18 |
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| timcowchip | joe9 i can't pkgmk -i gobject-introspection | 18:45 |
| timcowchip | /usr/include/glib-2.0/gio/gpollableoutputstream.h:92: Fatal: Gio: can't find parameter size referenced by parameter buffer of 'pollable_output_stream_write_nonblocking' | 18:49 |
| timcowchip | is the mailing list better for this kind of thing? | 18:50 |
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| timcowchip | http://crux.nu/Wiki/HowToSpeedUpBuildingPackages | 21:51 |
| timcowchip | how do i know what CFLAGS to use? | 21:52 |
| timcowchip | CFLAGS='-O2 -march=x86_64 -fomit-frame-pointer' ? | 21:59 |
| timcowchip | CXXFLAGS='-O2 -march=x86_64 -fomit-frame-pointer'? | 22:00 |
| nogagplz | the gentoo wiki has some safe cflags for various hardware | 22:02 |
| timcowchip | thanks nogagplz | 22:04 |
| timcowchip | having trouble connecting to it right now | 22:05 |
| timcowchip | gentoo wiki says CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe" | 22:10 |
| timcowchip | for: | 22:10 |
| timcowchip | bash-4.2$ grep -m1 -A3 "vendor_id" /proc/cpuinfo | 22:10 |
| timcowchip | vendor_id: GenuineIntel | 22:10 |
| timcowchip | cpu family: 6 | 22:10 |
| timcowchip | model: 28 | 22:10 |
| timcowchip | model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D510 @ 1.66GHz | 22:10 |
| timcowchip | so pkgmk /usr/ports/work tmpfs size=1G,uid=XX,defaults 0 0 | 22:12 |
| timcowchip | in fstab? | 22:12 |
| timcowchip | i don'y have a pkgmk user | 22:13 |
| timcowchip | how do i add one? | 22:14 |
| timcowchip | screw it..............who needs qt? | 22:18 |
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