IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2013-03-07

frinnstits been like that for ages00:00
frinnsttry swappiness 0 :)00:00
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Romstercat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness00:06
Romsterthat used to be 6000:09
Romsteryou set your's to zero too?00:09
frinnstno, i have mine on 60 at the moment00:09
frinnstssd swap ftw00:10
Romsteri got swap on ssd at prio=1 and a buch of other disks with prio=000:10
Romsterhmm what i should do is setup memcached at some point when i get my other machines online.00:11
RomsterWell, there is mlock() et al., but that would be like trying to swat a fly with a sledgehammer.00:14
frinnstbut yeah, buying more ram is probably the nicest solution00:14
frinnstits cheap these days if you have ddr300:15
frinnstoh, sorry. i meant to say "its cheap everywhere but australia" :)00:15
frinnstInbox (48)00:17
Romstermy default of 10 should be fine for a desktop00:21
Romsterthis is ddr2 4 slots with 2GB sticks in each socket.00:22
Romsterthe 2GB sticks are ok but the 4GB sticks are like 4 times the price...00:22
Romstermeh and the FM2 amd cpus suck balls00:22
Romsterlast good one they made is the phenom2 so far that i'm running now.00:22
Romsterso i either spend over $1000 for a 8 core i7 cpu ram and mobo or hold off and see what amd bring out.00:23
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Romsteri don't like changing setting without first researching with current information not stuff 10 years old.00:27
frinnstyay, i got an old asp app to work00:27
Romsterhate asp because it's M$00:27
frinnstyeah it took pretty much a whole day just because i couldnt find what i was looking for00:28
Romsterload average: 54.86, 30.64, 26.3800:28
frinnstno logging at all00:28
frinnstfaulted with 50000:28
frinnst"why would you want to log that?"00:28
Romsterand always no decent meaningful error code.00:28
frinnstactually when i got logging working it did provide a useful error :D00:29
frinnstone day to enable logging: 5 minutes to solve the issue00:29
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frinnstfucking asian spam00:31
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-inputproto: 2.2 -> 2.300:52
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-server: 1.13.2 -> 1.14.000:52
odyjust setup my first port and got it online with portspage, I love this distro :D00:52
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: xorg-inputproto-32: 2.2 -> 2.300:54
Romsterody, cool what's the url00:55
Romsterpretty easy to package stuff.00:55
odyI think I got it all right01:00
RomsterREPO file not found is this setup to use rsync?01:03
Romster forbidden -_-01:03
Romsteryou also need to set it to show dot files for footprint and md5sum and nostrip01:03
Romsterthough nostrip is rarely ever used.01:04
odyit should be in
Romster forbidden as well01:04
odyit will work with direct access .. just got directory listings turned off01:05
odywill turn it on now01:05
Romsterpermissions on directories not set to show, or your missing the listindex01:05
odyok sorted01:05
Romsterthat's better01:06
odyalso cleaned up the extra leading slash01:06
odythanks for the tips :)01:07
Romsterchown -R root:root $PKG is rarely ever needed01:07
Romster# Description: MongoDB01:07
Romsterneeds something more descriptive.01:08
odyI wasn't sure .. I got that from looking at other Pkgfiles, will remove though.  Also is the Group: directive to do with user group or package group?01:08
odyhah yeah01:08
Romsterno problem i like helping out.01:08
Romsteryou can tell if the footprint mismatch's on rebuild01:08
Romsterwe don't use group you can in your own personal repo though01:08
Romstergroups are done by having a group of Pkgfiles in there own sub directory like core opt xorg.01:09
odyah OK, I get it01:10
Romster# URL: <- i tend to keep trailing / on those. since wihtout you amke two queries to the site. but that's a personal preference.01:10
Romsterof course you don't do that if it's a urlrewite of like index/html to index01:11
odyI'm not using rewrite, so stuck the trailing / on01:11
Romstermongodb-src-r$version coudl do $name-src-r$version as well if you prefer.01:12
Romsternah i mean on the URL: metatag of the site's project.01:12
Romster vs
Romsterbut i guess a extra query to a site isn't much thesedays01:13
Romsterwithout trailing slash site sends a redirect to
odyyeah I've updated the meta tag in Pkgfile01:14
odyalso made the $name change, cheers01:14
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: cryptsetup: 1.5.1 -> 1.6.001:15
Romsterhmm i see usr/lib/libmongoclient.a but no so file is --enable-shared give the shared library too?01:15
Romsteri like being consistent pick a style and keep to it, it's far neater. :)01:16
odyhrmm that should be in there01:17
cruxbot[opt.git/2.8]: cryptsetup: 1.5.1 -> 1.6.001:17
Romsterwe prefer to use shared libraries but if the static libs are pressent *.a files we keep them around as well for static linking. we generally don't turn on --enable-static unless there is a real need for it though.01:17
odyoh sorry I see what you mean01:17
Romsterbut we most often turn on --enable-shared if it's off. unless there is a good reason not too.01:17
Romsterbut you can do what you like in your repo though.01:18
Romsteralso look at prt-utils for prtverify01:18
Romsterto check ports.01:18
Romsterbut it looks pretty good as is.01:18
odymongo uses the scons build system .. I don't think you can pass it an option to setup a shared library01:20
odyI think it has to be done in the build files someplace .. but likely wrong.  What was wrong with Make :D01:20
Romsternot sure look into what options you can use.01:20
Romsterthere is a few system out there.01:21
Romsterscons cmake make drake jam ant few others that escape my memory01:21
Romsterexport SCONSFLAGS="$MAKEFLAGS" in your /etc/pkgmk.conf is useful for scons to use MAKEFLAGS like -j401:22
Romsterscons --prefix=$PKG/usr is a last resort too01:24
Romstergrep the source see if it uses DESTDIR01:24
Romsterdoing  --prefix=$PKG/usr can lead to problems on paths on some ports. but most often it's ok.01:24
Romsterbut some problems remain hidden for ages.01:25
Romsteror it might even use INSTALL_ROOT01:25
Romsteror some other prefix for installing in another location.01:25
Romsterheck we need a wiki page on handy port packaging....01:26
Romsterfrom experience.01:26
Romsterody, oh and email for including your ports on portsdb on too.01:26
Romsterfar easier to find ports when they are on portsdb01:27
Romsterbbs getting food.01:28
odychecking scons --help it only lists --prefix.01:28
odyheh a wiki page would be good01:28
odyyou mean setting the email in the Pkgfile?01:40
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: [notify] wireshark: 1.8.5 -> 1.8.601:43
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: mesa-demos: update to 8.1.001:44
cruxbot[core.git/3.0]: btrfs-progs: update to 2013022101:46
cruxbot[core.git/3.0]: gettext: update to
cruxbot[core.git/3.0]: man-pages: update to 3.4801:46
cruxbot[opt.git/2.8]: [notify] wireshark: 1.8.5 -> 1.8.601:47
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libxi: 1.6.2 -> 1.702:27
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: xorg-libxi-32: 1.6.2 -> 1.702:29
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odyprtverify output: ERROR  pkgs/memcached ........... directory not allowed: usr/share/man/03:02
odyanyone know what that means?03:03
jueshould be /usr/man instead03:03
odyah OK, thanks!03:04
Romsteror if some option don't exist mv $PKG/usr/share/man $PKG/usr/man03:05
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: mesa-demos-32: 8.0.1 -> 8.1.003:07
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libyaml: initial import romster -> opt03:22
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: [notify] ruby: new dependency libyaml03:36
Amnesiahow do you folks keep your system clean?04:39
Romsterin what way? made scripts04:41
Amnesiawell no, but there's also binaries creating garbage which isn't being used anymore04:41
Romsterwhich binaries?04:41
Romsterif it's done though the package manager it'll keep the system relatively clean for you.04:42
Amnesiayep, but over time it still gets a mess04:42
Romsterwell there is pkg-not from sepens tools04:44
Romsterthat'll list files that are not being tracked by the package manager04:44
Amnesiahm most likely that list is going to be too big :)04:46
Romsternever too big.04:47
Romstercross channel chats ftw04:48
Romsteroh i had one over different irc networks and skype before.04:48
AmnesiaRomster: that list is going to be > 10k04:49
Romsterok i finally got a persons dns name for my stuff so expect in future for for crux related stuff.04:49
Romsterwhos mine?04:49
Romsterpersonal/general purpose04:49
Romsterinstead of using my one.04:50
Amnesiapkg-not's pretty neat:)04:57
Amnesiano need to write anything myself ^^04:57
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Romsterjust becareful of using it directly with rm oops there goes the config files :D05:01
Romsterand soem files are generated from pre-install and post-install05:02
Amnesia/usr/lib/ wuuuuut05:04
Amnesiaah: lrwxrwxrwx      root/root       usr/lib/ -> ../../lib/
Amnesiathat's ugly:P05:04
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Amnesiaimo ln -sf /usr/lib/ $PKG/usr/lib/" looks better in the footprint05:19
Amnesiathat'd prevent false positives with pkg-not05:20
juewhy should we use absolute paths? that prevents relocating the packages05:23
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: dosbox: fixed compilation issue05:23
jueIMO it's better to fix pkg-not ;)05:24
Amnesiaalso possible:)05:25
jueit's the usual way to link between /lib and /usr/lib, see glibc for example05:28
himynameisphilwhen trying to install mplayer, I get errors like this:05:29
himynameisphilIn file included from stream/tvi_v4l.c:39:0:05:29
himynameisphil/usr/include/sys/ioctl.h:41:12: note: expected 'long unsigned int' but argument is of type 'const struct <anonymous> *'05:29
himynameisphilstream/tvi_v4l.c:1605:39: error: 'VIDIOCMCAPTURE' undeclared (first use in this function)05:30
himynameisphilstream/tvi_v4l.c:1605:13: error: invalid use of undefined type 'struct video_mmap'05:30
himynameisphilstream/tvi_v4l.c:1605:65: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type05:30
himynameisphilstream/tvi_v4l.c:1605:13: warning: passing argument 2 of 'ioctl' makes integer from pointer without a cast [enabled by default]05:30
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Pingaxhimynameisphil: i'll suggest you to switch to mplayer2.05:33
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himynameisphilPingax: Thanks, I'll try that.05:49
frinnstpkg-not ?07:16
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Amnesiafrinnst: pkg-misc09:47
Amnesiajue: heh, learnt my lesson regarding the mailinglist09:53
Amnesiahad a wtf moment when I rebooted after updating only xorg-server and xorg-inputproto ^^09:53
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timcowchipso ports -u | ports -d | prt-get sysup | prt-get -u -f xorg-xf86-input-mouse...........etc?10:46
timcowchipI asking about the xorg-server update10:49
Amnesiaports -u ; prt-get sysup ; for i in xorg-xf86-input-mouse,xorg-xf86-input-keyboard,xorg-xf86-input-evdev,xorg-xf86-input-synaptics; do prt-get update -fr $i; done10:50
Amnesiaboth prt-get as ports don't read anything from stdin10:51
joacimno need for fancy shell tricks. prt-get update -fr <list your xorg stuff here> is enough10:53
Amnesiaalso a possibility:)10:53
timcowchipok thanks guys10:53
Amnesiabut that doesn't update your ports tree^^10:53
Amnesiajoacim: admit bash's growse^^10:54
timcowchipI thought ports-u updated the ports tree10:54
joacimit does10:54
Amnesiatimcowchip: I meant 'prt-get update fr <pkgs>' only10:55
Amnesiajoacim: growse/gross -> gruesome10:56
timcowchipI was thinking of httpup_ing a wmfs2 port10:57
joacimi know a guy who likes to talk about how he likes to get bash between his fingers10:57
Amnesiaget it between his fingers lol?10:57
joacimor rather in his fingers10:58
timcowchipits not that differenet from wmfs; different source and build options10:58
joacimit is funny in norwegian10:58
Amnesiathere're people from .no currently @ my work10:59
joacimbash sounds like basj. basj means poo10:59
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AmnesiaI really don't understand a shiet from norwegian^^10:59
Jointwath reson cold there be, why prt-get skips installing pkg-config pc files?11:00
Amnesiait doesn't by default11:00
Jointhow can i ad it?11:01
Amnesiaprotip: :-)11:01
Jointhmm i guess i read the handbook a litle to fast :P11:02
Jointhow do i reinstall every installed port?11:04
timcowchipprt-get update -fr $i ?11:06
Jointhmm ok. i feel a bit laysi11:06
timcowchipis xorg-libx11 part of a base install?11:07
Amnesiatimcowchip: no11:07
timcowchipok I'll make it a depends on for wmfs211:08
Jointhmm i cant find anting that should block my .pc files in pkgadd.conf11:15
Jointare there more files that block files?11:16
joacimAmnesia: thanks, i think.11:18
Amnesiaeh Joint *11:18
Jointcant find enything in my /var/lib/pkg/rejected ether... :S11:18
jaegerAre they being removed in the Pkgfile, perhaps?11:20
Jointno it dosent look so11:21
AmnesiaJoint: what're you trying to achieve?11:23
Jointthe footprint hass them, but they hasent aperd in the /usr/lib/pkg-config11:23
JointAmnesia: install cairo11:23
Amnesiawithout the pkg-config files?11:24
Jointthe .configure cold not find libpng, do it was installed11:24
Jointi have tracked it down there11:24
Jointi trid to add te .pc file by hand, and it all started to work11:24
Amnesiaput the following in your pkgfiles: "rm -r $PKG/usr/lib/pkgconfig/<pkgfiles>"11:25
Jointdo there are a lot of other files missing to11:25
Jointthat dosent seem good to me?11:25
Amnesiathat's what you were trying to achieve right..?11:25
Amnesia(you could also reject the install/update of pc files in /usr/lib/pkgconfig using pkgadd.conf)[D11:26
Jointi want the .pc files to be installed there to11:26
Jointthere are files missing there11:26
Jointthat should be there11:27
Amnesiafirst of all check whether they're actually in the built cairo#... pkg11:27
Jointi have done that11:28
Jointand they are11:28
Jointbut it skips copyting them when the package is installed11:28
Amnesiathat's being printed?11:28
Jointi djust cant find them in the /usr/lib/pkg-config dir11:29
Jointand neder do any other program11:29
Amnesiait's pkgconfig *11:29
Amnesiait's /usr/lib/pkgconfig, not /usr/lib/pkg-config11:30
Jointah, yes, so it is11:30
Amnesiapebcak or wut?11:30
Jointi do not follow?11:31
Amnesiayou sorted out ?11:31
Amnesiathe files are in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/ ?11:31
Jointno but the should be11:32
Amnesiacheck out /var/lib/pkg/db whether the pc files are in the pkg db11:33
Jointi will try to install with pkgadd only. (not gowing thru prt-get)11:33
Amnesiaprt-get also uses pkgadd11:34
Jointi know11:34
Jointi was cureius if there was a nother output11:35
Jointto se why it dosent copy the files11:35
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Jointhmm but there sem to be some .pc files listed in the db file11:37
Amnesiafind / -iname "*.pc"11:40
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timcowchipI'm getting "Failed to download The requested URL returned error: 403 Forbidden"11:42
timcowchipfrom my ISP11:42
Jointit only finds the files that alredy was in the /usr/lib/pkgconfig + /usr/shar/pkgconfig11:42
timcowchipso........if Romster's offer to host my ports still stands, I would like to say yes thank you11:44
Jointis there a way how to se what files are copyed by pkgadd?11:51
Jointlike in /proc ore something?11:52
AmnesiaJoint: strace11:52
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jaegerJoint: you can also run pkgmk with the "-kw" option to keep the work directory, then check PKGMK_WORK_DIR for *.pc files11:57
Jointhmm "pkgmk -kw" seem to have the files12:00
Jointwhere they belong12:01
jaegerin PKGMK_WORK_DIR there should be both "src" and "pkg" dirs12:01
timcowchipin the /work dir of /usr/port/whatev12:01
jaegereverything in "pkg" will be what gets installed by the final package12:01
jaegeryou can think of the "pkg" dir as / basically12:02
Jointyes and everyting is there12:02
timcowchipI uploaded my ports here:
jaegerpkg/usr/lib/pkgconfig contains the proper files? If so, they will be installed by pkgadd12:03
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Jointjaeger: well they dont12:03
Jointdont get installed that is12:03
Jointthe strace semed to say something about "no such file ore direktory" when i tested12:04
Jointon the .pc files12:04
Amnesiaplease paste the output12:04
Amnesianot here *12:04
Jointi cant, i run pkgmk so the output disapeard, and now it gives my some other crap12:05
Amnesiaof strace12:05
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Jointim a bit lost in all the comands i have put in i guess12:06
Jointah im in the wrong directory :P12:07
Jointwhat was the comand to get a url?12:08
joacimyou mean wgetpaste?12:08
Jointfrom the outupt12:09
Amnesiawhatever rows your boat12:09
Jointnot wgetpaste12:09
Jointjebuss, i hafe to get to bed. i have work to do to morow12:11
Jointthanks fore all the help12:11
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joacimnight =)12:11
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timcowchipI emailed sepen asking him to update portdb with
timcowchipso I guess I don't need Romster to host my ports12:27
teK_either way you have to host the files12:28
timcowchipyou mean on my system?12:30
timcowchipor on an accessible site12:30
teK_yes or on any system12:30
timcowchip is just links to where the ports really are hosted12:31
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timcowchipanyone ever use a display manager?12:45
timcowchipI noticed xdm in xorg ports12:45
timcowchipruns as a daemon in rc.conf12:46
timcowchipit would be nice to switch window managers without having to reboot12:47
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timcowchipfound this session-selector script on livarp
AmnesiateK_: btw, better continue here^^13:01
teK_no I did not give spice a try (yet)13:09
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teK_qemu and qemu-kvm differ significantly in build time13:09
teK_and I do not have a problem with maintaining both13:10
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Amnesiaqemu-kvm is deprecated nowadays afaik13:16
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timcowchip(EE) module ABI major version (13) doesn't match the server's version (14)14:00
timcowchipis this something that needs fixing?14:01
teK_rebuild input and video drivers14:01
teK_prt-get update -fr xorg-xf86-input-mouse xorg-xf86-input-keyboard xorg-xf86-input-evdev xorg-xf86-input-synaptics xorg-xf86-video-intel14:01
teK_for me ;)14:01
timcowchipI didn't do xorg-xf86-input-synaptic yet14:01
teK_well I have a laptop with the accoding touchpad14:02
timcowchipI did mouse keyboard evdev nouveau and intel14:03
timcowchipI must have a module installed that I don't use14:04
timcowchipI forgot joystick14:07
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timcowchip-- Packages where update failed14:15
timcowchipdo I need vesa?14:15
Amnesianot if you're using nouveau/intel14:15
timcowchipthank you14:15
niklaswehmm intresting.. when I adding my 3g-modem to my server the tempurate increase from 48 => 55..14:16
niklasweand when i remove it decrease to 48 again.14:17
rmullIs it in some airflow path?14:17
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timcowchip(EE) module ABI major version (13) doesn't match the server's version (14)15:43
timcowchiponly happens when I startx as user not as root15:43
timcowchipactually I have a zenity script running from .xinitrc that might be the problem15:45
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joacimi've experienced something like that when i had an xorg.conf in my ~root/16:14
timcowchipno xorg.conf in /root16:17
timcowchipor ~/16:17
timcowchipbut thanks :)16:17
timcowchipanyone ever use xdm?16:18
timcowchipI'm sure has used xdm sometime, I meant use with crux16:25
joacimdont think i have.16:25
joacimmostly been using slim and gdm, and now just startx16:26
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timcowchipI see slim is in opt16:27
timcowchipit works well with .xinitrc16:27
timcowchipI'll try it thanks joacim16:27
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timcowchipI am thoroughly disgusted with the f'n p.o.s. OS not being able to figure out what f'n time it is19:16
timcowchiphow f'n hard can it be?19:16
timcowchipif I boot this f'n thing and get the wrong time once more...........adios p.o.s.19:18
timcowchipI don't expect any help or answers.....I'm just sayin'19:19
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Romstertimcowchip, you seem to be having a really hard time with time. i have not hit any real big issues at all. do you dual boot by any chance?23:32
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diverseRomster: what is the situation with him?23:40
Romsterno idea23:40
diversePEBKAC error?23:41
diverseyay \o/23:42
diverseit doesn't get any better than that!23:42
Romsterdunno i had problems when i first started on crux but i never once called crux a p.o.s23:42
diverseWho said it was?23:43
Romsterbut i knew it was PEBKAC23:43
Romsterlook up23:43
Romsterhe is probably dual booting and that will be the cause of the time being off.23:43
Romsterone system setting to UTC another to another time zone.23:44
diverseHe said he was using Slackware and among other distros23:44
diversehe probably messed up the partitioning23:44
Romstertimcowchip, needs to read this
Romsterthat wont mess the time up thugh23:45
Romsterhaving each on different timezones will.23:45
Romstertzselect  is helpful too.23:47
RomsterIf you work with *nix only the best way is to let the Bios work with UTC. Then every *nix on a multi boot machine will do it right.23:48
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Romsteri like my newest aquired domain name but i can't use it yet until my host is back ugh.23:48
Romsterya know that thing i kept saying i'll /eventually/ move my crux stuff off my lcoal server to my host well i got a dns name for it now.23:49
Romsterand i'll start ding my own email addresses and switch away from google.23:50
diverseSo Romster, anything new happened recently?23:53
frinnst Romster prepare for new firefox :)23:53
frinnstomg, nobody made coffee23:54
Romsteri am alraedy on 19.0.123:54
Romsterthough pointless23:54
Romsterdiverse, not really other than hos tmoving and i'll have to do 3rd level TLD's on for my own stuff.23:55
Romsterhi Pingax23:55
Romsteri just had pizza frinnst coffee is too soon23:55
Romsterthough i might end up pointing some 3rd levels to my local server aswell.23:56
frinnstRomster: yeah but not 19.0.223:57
Romsterugh no not yet23:58
Romsterwhen are you pushing?23:58
frinnstbuilding now23:58
teK_so FF is the first browser to get patches after pwn2own?23:59

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