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| jue | Romster: the repo is here -> https://github.com/fjaell/i686, not updated since quite some time | 00:23 |
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| slashbeast | Romster: what was the issues with runit? | 00:45 |
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| timcowchip | www.hvlinux.net = 404 | 02:13 |
| timcowchip | no gkrellm | 02:13 |
| timcowchip | Firefox can't find the server at www.hvlinux.net. | 02:14 |
| timcowchip | could be down temporarily | 02:14 |
| frinnst | iirc romster said they were migrating the datacenter. might be related to that | 02:15 |
| timcowchip | oh ok | 02:15 |
| timcowchip | thanks frinnst | 02:15 |
| frinnst | just a guess | 02:16 |
| timcowchip | ok | 02:16 |
| timcowchip | haven't seen sepen for awhile | 02:16 |
| timcowchip | is he still the one to get a ports repo up on the db? | 02:17 |
| frinnst | think so. email is probably your best bet | 02:17 |
| frinnst | harder to forget | 02:18 |
| timcowchip | ok then thanks :) | 02:18 |
| Romster | yes the hardware is being relocated was meant to be done on the 8th but got rescheduled. | 02:21 |
| timcowchip | ok | 02:22 |
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| jue | played a bit with qemu, works very nice nowadays, and it's pretty fast together with kvm | 03:36 |
| jue | don't see a reason to use vbox anymore | 03:37 |
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| slashbeast | the spilce is kind of broken, with windows guests after changing resolution qemu fails into a loop and consum 100% cpu | 03:45 |
| slashbeast | and the sdl and vnc with vga std still sucks hard | 03:45 |
| frinnst | jue: one reason is easy integration with the host | 03:46 |
| frinnst | I run vbox at work, qemu at home | 03:46 |
| jue | frinnst: IMO sshfs-fuse is a very easy way to share files with the host-system, works out of the box without any additional net setup | 03:47 |
| frinnst | yeah, if you run a unix guest | 03:48 |
| frinnst | not if you have to use windows :) | 03:48 |
| teK_ | vbox makes it just very easy to configure things (now hit me :p) | 03:48 |
| jue | tss ;) | 03:48 |
| teK_ | It took me some time to arrange with the qemu-consonle and the options to control this thing from the outside | 03:49 |
| jue | slashbeast: "-vga std" works nice for me | 03:49 |
| teK_ | I mean.. virt-manager starts a VM like this: | 03:49 |
| frinnst | When i ran rhel at my workstation i used virtmanager/libvirt. it was vbox-ish. I one attempted to create a crux port for it. but i gave up after i had created 8 dependencies | 03:50 |
| teK_ | lol frinnst same here :D | 03:50 |
| teK_ | fscking gnome-deps | 03:50 |
| frinnst | yeah | 03:50 |
| teK_ | qemu-system-x86_64 -S -M pc -cpu qemu32 -no-kvm -m 512 -smp 2 -name demo1 -uuid 696e128b-a632-6ec9-09f1-83c106cf6cc6 -monitor unix:/home/tek/src/libvirt-0.7.5/INS/var/lib/libvirt/qemu/demo1.monitor,server,nowait -no-reboot -boot d -drive file=/home/tek/vdisk.qcow2,if=ide,index=0 -drive file=/home/tek/Fedora-12-i686-Live.iso,if=ide,media=cdrom,index=2 -net none -serial pty -parallel none -usb -vnc 127.0.0.1:0 -k en-us -vga cirrus | 03:50 |
| slashbeast | jue: play a game under it ;p THe vbox have by far greater gfx support, splice is an answer but still buggy | 03:50 |
| frinnst | a library that is only used by one application is pointless | 03:50 |
| teK_ | yes | 03:50 |
| slashbeast | also vbox does weird shit in kernel space making it impossible to use ond grsecurity x86_64 hosts | 03:50 |
| slashbeast | s/ond/on | 03:51 |
| jue | slashbeast: I don't need it to play games :) | 03:51 |
| slashbeast | what I use is -vga std and vnc, and for windows guest also -usbdevice tablet to provide troubleless input support. | 03:51 |
| slashbeast | but it does consume a bit of cpu | 03:51 |
| slashbeast | fwiw I runs qemu-kvm as my main virt solution for years. | 03:51 |
| teK_ | VNC sucks huge times.. I need to check out spice.. I always admired how well RDP worked | 03:52 |
| slashbeast | vnc is acceptable when you need to pass thru the bootloader and as 'what was the kernel panic thing this time'. | 03:52 |
| teK_ | yeah but anything involving a pointing device is just .. meh | 03:53 |
| frinnst | speaking of games.. tomorrow bitches! | 03:53 |
| frinnst | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft_II:_Heart_of_the_Swarm | 03:53 |
| teK_ | WHAAAT | 03:53 |
| teK_ | get your VM ready | 03:54 |
| frinnst | No, i have a separate disk with windows 7 :) | 03:54 |
| frinnst | the hostname is "wintendo" | 03:54 |
| teK_ | heh | 03:54 |
| slashbeast | teK_: you always run such long qemu commands, with no scripts to it? | 03:57 |
| slashbeast | ah, libvirt. | 03:57 |
| teK_ | yes | 03:57 |
| slashbeast | you do realize qcow2 is fucking slow, and raw is by far better? | 03:58 |
| teK_ | last invocation looked like this: qemu-system-x86_64 -drive file=disk-huge.qcow2 | 03:58 |
| teK_ | obviously not -----^ | 03:58 |
| teK_ | :D | 03:58 |
| slashbeast | try unpack a somthing rather big like kernel sources inside vm on qcow2 | 03:58 |
| slashbeast | Wait wha- @$!%!@$ x_x <qemu hit iowaits> | 03:58 |
| slashbeast | virtio block device + raw image. | 03:59 |
| slashbeast | almost native IO performance | 03:59 |
| teK_ | http://mag.entropy.be/blog/2010/03/20/kvm-performance-qcow2-vs-raw-ide-vs-virtio/ | 04:01 |
| frinnst | I use qcow2 on a ssd | 04:03 |
| frinnst | but with btrfs :) | 04:03 |
| frinnst | = slow | 04:03 |
| teK_ | not everybody is as rich as you are, frinnst | 04:03 |
| frinnst | HA | 04:03 |
| teK_ | why? because of btrfs? | 04:03 |
| frinnst | yeah | 04:03 |
| jue | slashbeast: hmm, don't see that, "time tar -xf linux-3.7.tar.xz took" around 8 sec in qemu with qcow2 and 5.5 sec on the host | 04:03 |
| teK_ | using RAW images strikes the option to create snapshots I think | 04:03 |
| frinnst | i could nocow the .qcow2 file, but that would be cheating | 04:04 |
| teK_ | maybe slashbeast compared qcow and raw+virtio | 04:04 |
| frinnst | Saldo: 168,76 | 04:04 |
| frinnst | yeah, im rich :D | 04:04 |
| teK_ | so in which specific workload is it that btrfs is slow? I've been using it on my laptop with a crappy OCZ cache ssd and had only seldom 'overload' situation where the system would seem to wait on finishg i/o | 04:05 |
| frinnst | there has been some major'ish fsync issues | 04:05 |
| teK_ | c'mon march is almost over :> | 04:05 |
| frinnst | example: saving an empty file with vim taking +10 seconds and stuff | 04:05 |
| teK_ | ugh, didn't see that one. luckily. | 04:06 |
| jue | oops | 04:06 |
| frinnst | they havent really tweaked it much. with some workloads it can be quite horrible | 04:06 |
| slashbeast | jue: you sure its not within the dirty cache and acctualy does not write it to disk yet? | 04:07 |
| slashbeast | jue: depends on the ram on host and guest, run it multiple times | 04:07 |
| teK_ | thank god we have ssds to cover these issues mostly :P | 04:07 |
| jue | no, was the first run | 04:07 |
| frinnst | also, using compression generally speeds up stuff quite a lot. but not with the ssd i use, the sandforce ship does its own compression to limit wear and stuff | 04:08 |
| teK_ | I don't know if my SSD knows how to spell 'compression' | 04:08 |
| teK_ | I bet not | 04:08 |
| slashbeast | no, sandforce have no comression, it does only deduplication | 04:08 |
| frinnst | what controller does it use? | 04:08 |
| slashbeast | which sucks all along | 04:08 |
| frinnst | slashbeast: the controller on intel 330 does | 04:08 |
| jue | second run with qemu was 7.5 sec | 04:08 |
| teK_ | it's armed with a SandForce 2281 controller | 04:09 |
| jue | well, it's on a ssd here too | 04:09 |
| teK_ | i believe | 04:09 |
| frinnst | i dont think it does any dedup | 04:10 |
| teK_ | I don't care too much. It replaced a simple hdd so.. | 04:10 |
| frinnst | yeah, I got mine for free so | 04:11 |
| teK_ | me too :P | 04:11 |
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| jue | one thing I have to mention: writing to the console, without X, is extremly slow | 04:17 |
| teK_ | in qemu? | 04:17 |
| teK_ | really? | 04:17 |
| jue | yes | 04:17 |
| jue | 'time prt-get -fr tmux' counts as 47.7 sec | 04:18 |
| jue | 'time prt-get -fr tmux > /dev/null' is 7.7 sec ;) | 04:18 |
| jue | no typo ! | 04:19 |
| teK_ | typo! | 04:19 |
| teK_ | ah | 04:19 |
| teK_ | well :D | 04:19 |
| teK_ | 0.005 and 0.004 for me | 04:20 |
| teK_ | seconds. | 04:20 |
| teK_ | what's your commandline? | 04:20 |
| jue | selected tmux for this test because it is very verbose | 04:20 |
| teK_ | I don't get that. | 04:21 |
| jue | time prt-get -fr tmux > /dev/null resp. time prt-get -fr tmux | 04:21 |
| jue | 0.005 for what? | 04:21 |
| teK_ | time prt-get -fr tmux | 04:22 |
| teK_ | albeit I don't understand what this is supposed to benchmark | 04:23 |
| teK_ | if this is n ot a typo you want prt-get to spit out an error about the unknown command tmux? I don't think I understand you're point :) | 04:23 |
| jue | I don't belief that you build tmux in 0.05 seconds :) | 04:23 |
| teK_ | me neither but then it's a typo? | 04:24 |
| jue | yep, I forgot the update, sorry | 04:24 |
| jue | should be 'time prt-get update -fr tmux' | 04:25 |
| teK_ | still trying to download that darned tarball from sf | 04:25 |
| jue | with 'no typo' above I meant the two measurements | 04:26 |
| teK_ | oh :P | 04:26 |
| teK_ | next wtf | 04:28 |
| teK_ | tmux produces < 50 lines on compilation.. which version did you build? :p | 04:29 |
| teK_ | nevermind, I managed to pick my CRUX 2.6 VM | 04:29 |
| teK_ | haha so much fuckup in one try *g* | 04:29 |
| jue | :) | 04:29 |
| jue | for comparison, took around 5.5 sec on the host-system, negligible difference between the two runs | 04:31 |
| teK_ | tmux-1.7 still yields < 30 lines of output | 04:32 |
| jue | libevent installed? | 04:33 |
| teK_ | 2.0.21 | 04:33 |
| teK_ | on CRUX 2.6 :P | 04:33 |
| jue | hmm, that's strange, wc -l reports 417 for me | 04:36 |
| teK_ | wtf | 04:37 |
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| teK_ | maybe I tweaked building on the VM | 04:37 |
| teK_ | on my host it prints the usual configure / make stuff | 04:37 |
| teK_ | in the VM it didn't. so I probably piped to /dev/null | 04:38 |
| teK_ | it's an old vm, so : next fuckup ;) | 04:38 |
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| frinnst | hm, anybody know of a strace-like program for windows? | 05:53 |
| frinnst | maybe google knows | 05:53 |
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| himynameisphil | Towelling window manager | 16:10 |
| timcowchip | towelling sounds good | 16:10 |
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| himynameisphil | windows are arranged in frames that are proportional to the size of various towels (beach towel, normal towel, hand towel) | 16:10 |
| himynameisphil | windows are laid very softly on the towels so they don't break | 16:11 |
| timcowchip | I thought you meant like cleaning windows | 16:11 |
| timcowchip | what window manager does that? | 16:11 |
| himynameisphil | one i dreamed about when half-asleep | 16:12 |
| timcowchip | oh | 16:12 |
| timcowchip | I use wmfs2 | 16:12 |
| himynameisphil | herbstluftwm | 16:12 |
| timcowchip | on crux? | 16:13 |
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| himynameisphil | yes | 16:13 |
| himynameisphil | someday i will write towelwm | 16:13 |
| himynameisphil | ha ha | 16:13 |
| timcowchip | is that your own port? | 16:14 |
| himynameisphil | yes | 16:14 |
| timcowchip | herbstluftwm? | 16:14 |
| timcowchip | wmfs2 is one I made from wmfs | 16:14 |
| himynameisphil | wmfs is a nice one | 16:14 |
| timcowchip | http://people.salixos.org/timcowchip/crux/ | 16:14 |
| timcowchip | wmfs2 is a little better | 16:15 |
| himynameisphil | yeah i do prefer 2 | 16:15 |
| timcowchip | the trick to getting the tag#'s to switch is compiling --without-xinerama | 16:16 |
| timcowchip | do you use lilo or grub? | 16:18 |
| himynameisphil | lilo | 16:18 |
| himynameisphil | keep meaning to switch to syslinux | 16:18 |
| timcowchip | ok I'm trying lilo now | 16:18 |
| timcowchip | my other os is salix | 16:18 |
| himynameisphil | I liked Salix when I tried it | 16:19 |
| timcowchip | me too...easy | 16:19 |
| himynameisphil | just installed debian on my netbook | 16:19 |
| timcowchip | wheezy? | 16:19 |
| himynameisphil | yes! | 16:19 |
| himynameisphil | rolling release and debian! | 16:19 |
| timcowchip | testing | 16:20 |
| himynameisphil | tried installing freebsd before that | 16:20 |
| timcowchip | ouch | 16:20 |
| himynameisphil | that went well... :/ | 16:20 |
| timcowchip | pkgadd -r | 16:20 |
| himynameisphil | yeah, shoulda done that | 16:20 |
| himynameisphil | thought it would be cool to compile ports instead | 16:21 |
| himynameisphil | on a single-core, 32-bit, 1.6 GHz Atom | 16:21 |
| himynameisphil | urgh | 16:21 |
| timcowchip | http://arpinux.org/livarp/ | 16:21 |
| timcowchip | its based on squeeze | 16:22 |
| timcowchip | when wheezy goes stable, they will release a 64 bit version based on wheezy | 16:22 |
| himynameisphil | coo'. wish i'd known about that earlier | 16:23 |
| timcowchip | gotto reboot with lilo | 16:24 |
| timcowchip | talk again soon, hopefully | 16:25 |
| himynameisphil | bonne chance! | 16:25 |
| timcowchip | merci :) | 16:25 |
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| himynameisphil | I'm confused about how to actually set locale in crux | 17:06 |
| himynameisphil | did the localedef thing in the handbook | 17:06 |
| himynameisphil | do i just add exports to /etc/profile for things like LANG? | 17:06 |
| prologic | I believe so | 17:17 |
| prologic | export LC_ALL="C" | 17:18 |
| himynameisphil | thanks | 17:19 |
| nthwyatt | I use export LANG="en_CA.utf8" in ~/.bash_profile | 17:24 |
| nthwyatt | that forces all the LC_* to the one I built when I installed crux | 17:24 |
| nthwyatt | Just use locale to see what is set | 17:25 |
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| nthwyatt | had bad experiences with collating order in cron jobs using utf8 system-wide so I only do it on my login | 17:26 |
| joe9 | I want to change my theme to tango. But, am not able to figure out how to do so. I read that load-theme is the latest way to do so.http://batsov.com/articles/2012/02/19/color-theming-in-emacs-reloaded/ | 17:55 |
| joe9 | sorry, wrong channel. | 17:56 |
| himynameisphil | Hmmm | 18:00 |
| himynameisphil | the problem I'm having is that I get gobbledy-gook characters in ncurses applications when I ssh into my server | 18:01 |
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| himynameisphil | the garbage chars don't show up when I log into the server directly | 18:02 |
| himynameisphil | and they don't show up in local ncurses apps | 18:02 |
| himynameisphil | so I dont know where the trouble is | 18:02 |
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| nthwyatt | are you ssh from a terminal emulator under X or from a virtual console? | 18:19 |
| nthwyatt | if using a terminal emulator under X the box must have the fonts available that the ncurses appliction is trying to use | 18:20 |
| himynameisphil | i have the prob with x terminals, both xterm and sakura | 18:28 |
| himynameisphil | i'll try changing the font | 18:28 |
| nthwyatt | check the Font Path that xset q shows, it might show why the same font isn't on both boxes | 18:32 |
| himynameisphil | the server doesnt have x installed at all | 18:37 |
| himynameisphil | i should also mention i don't get the characters when I ssh into the server from my debian netbook | 18:38 |
| himynameisphil | so i think it's a prob on the crux end | 18:38 |
| nthwyatt | the server you run the ncurses app on is crux without X installed? | 18:41 |
| nthwyatt | that would be the locale problem from earlier | 18:41 |
| nthwyatt | make sure locale returns the same answer on the server as well as your debian netbook | 18:42 |
| himynameisphil | no the server is arch with no x. crux is on my laptop. | 18:43 |
| nthwyatt | gobbledy-gook usually happens to me when the app is using UTF-8 but the terminal I'm trying to run it | 18:44 |
| nthwyatt | on doesn't have UTF8 locale | 18:44 |
| himynameisphil | maybe I'll try another term | 18:44 |
| nthwyatt | for me urxvt works best for UTF8 | 18:45 |
| himynameisphil | i'm just puzzled why the term runs the same ncurses apps local with no garbage chars | 18:46 |
| himynameisphil | oh wait... | 18:47 |
| himynameisphil | nope | 18:48 |
| himynameisphil | tried it in rxvt-unicode. same issue | 18:49 |
| nthwyatt | when you say local you mean you're logging into a virtual console on the arch server itself? | 18:49 |
| himynameisphil | sorry, i'm not being clear | 18:50 |
| himynameisphil | when i run ncurses apps on my crux laptop, i dont get garbage chars in them | 18:50 |
| himynameisphil | it's only when the crux laptop is ssh'd into the arch server that i get garbage in ncurses apps | 18:51 |
| himynameisphil | LANG=en.ca_UTF-8 on both my crux laptop and the arch server | 18:52 |
| nthwyatt | hrm. Mine is LANG=en_CA.utf8 | 18:53 |
| nthwyatt | did you gen them with localeldef using en.ca_UTF-8? | 18:54 |
| nthwyatt | on crux I mean | 18:54 |
| himynameisphil | i think i may see the prob here... | 18:55 |
| nthwyatt | Don't know if it matters, i just translated the commands in the handbook literally from se to ca | 18:55 |
| nthwyatt | time to feed the animals and hit the bed, good luck... | 18:59 |
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| timcowchip | what is wrong with this lilo.conf? http://pastebin.com/cDPjVs9i | 21:45 |
| timcowchip | I can only boot into the sda1 partition | 21:46 |
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| timcowchip | ok then | 21:54 |
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