IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2013-05-31

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Roomsterprologic, you really need a watchdog timmer on that01:25
prologicit did not die or disconnect01:26
prologicI suspect a net split and it got left on a lone server01:26
prologiccan't confirm01:26
prologicbut that's my suspicion01:26
prologicso I just restarted it01:26
prologicI should get my new desktop soon01:26
prologicso I'll try to solve the net split issue by server hopping when it detects a netsplit01:26
prologicand I'll give it a pool of servers to connect to I think01:27
Roomsterperhaps some code to see if there are users in channel over x amount or any chatting or no services and then try another server01:27
prologicI think on free node at least net splits can be detected01:27
prologicby watching quit events for net split messages01:27
Roomsterwell that idea i had with server list round robin with weighting to latency was a good idea, but you never did anything like that?01:27
Roomsteroh there is that yeah01:28
Roomstermaking a bot is one thing, making it robust that it can sort itself out is another.01:28
Roomsteralso cool, you really do need a new pc.01:29
prologicmy pc died 2 week ago01:29
prologichopefully putting in the new purchase order today some time01:29
Roomsteroh, you building it yourself?01:34
Roomsteri always build my own.01:34
prologicwell I'm getting the supplier to build it for me01:52
prologicbut yeah01:52
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Romster$99 for a system build not bad02:31
Romsterhmm 4tb wd blacks i didn't find them there the other day i looked.02:31
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v3399 bucks?04:10
v33what are the specs O.o04:10
nogagplz128kb for ram, 1MHz 6502, and am apple logo on the side04:24
jaegerv33: that $99 is just for them to assemble it04:44
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Roomsterv33, $99 to assemble it, labour cost05:40
Roomsterpersonally i'd build i tmyself and have 2 bottles of scotch :D05:40
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frinnstsilly tek08:16
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diversesomehow it feels good to be back here10:27
diverseI guess I couldn't open links on terminology...10:31
diversenogagplz: have you done any mischievous deeds today?10:47
nogagplzfeeling too lazy10:48
diversethats good10:49
nogagplzI can start right now if you want though10:49
diversedo whatever you want, I can't stop you.10:50
nogagplzI'll take your reverse psychology and raise you a meh10:52
diverseI'll fold, you win. :)11:01
diverseDid you guys see that video about google that I pasted yesterday?11:07
frinnstjust now. cool presentation, nothing new11:18
diverseyou got to love the irony though11:19
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diversefrinnst: what the hell did I just watch?11:33
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-xf86-video-intel: 2.21.7 -> 2.21.811:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libfs: 1.0.4 -> 1.0.511:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libxfixes: 5.0 -> 5.0.111:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libxcursor: 1.1.13 -> 1.1.1411:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libxinerama: 1.1.2 -> 1.1.311:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libxres: 1.0.6 -> 1.0.711:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libxt: 1.1.3 -> 1.1.411:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libxxf86dga: 1.1.3 -> 1.1.411:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libxxf86vm: 1.1.2 -> 1.1.311:35
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libxtst: 1.2.1 -> 1.2.211:35
Romsternogagplz> I'll take your reverse psychology and raise you a mehl <- god damn you.11:39
diverseRomster: isn't that a good thing (at least for you)?11:52
Romsterdamn i'm getting tired fast.11:54
Romsternot quite 10pm...11:54
diverseRomster: drink more caffeine11:55
Romsteri will got 3 more ports todo11:57
jdolani set that topic?11:57
diversejdolan: apparently so.11:57
jdolanactually i think you just copied my name to the right of the topic in IRSSI or something.11:58
jdolanpretty sure i didn't set it.11:58
jdolani've been retired from CRUX since 2006.11:58
teK_13:59 -!- Topic set by jue [~jue@pdpc/supporter/active/jue] [Wed Mar 27 16:31:39 2013]11:59
jdolanhi teK_11:59
jdolanpretty awesome that jue is still active.12:00
jdolani met him in stockholm at cruxcon 2004.12:00
Romsteryeah jue is one workhorse.12:00
diversejdolan: yeah, you are right. The paste was accidental from trying to take advantage of my terminal's features to open a link from the topic.12:00
Romsteri'm pretty sure crux would fall apart without jue12:01
teK_at least we got jaeger back on board again :)12:01
jdolanwell.. that's the beauty of open source, tho. we're all replaceable.12:01
jdolanpeople pooped their pants a little bit when pli left.12:01
jdolanbut CRUX carried on.12:01
jdolan(i was among the pants poopers fwiw)12:02
diversejdolan: do you ever think you will come back?12:03
jdolanno.. i learned a shitload through working on CRUX.12:03
Romsteryeah he said he was retiring then continued to keep going.12:04
jdolanbut these days i run OS X and Debian12:04
jdolanand all of my open source time goes into my game, http://quake2world.net12:04
Romsterthat's a shame you took the experience and ran.12:05
diverseRomster: I was thinking the same12:05
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: xorg-libxcb-32: 1.9 -> 1.9.112:06
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: xorg-libxcursor-32: 1.1.13 -> 1.1.1412:06
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: xorg-libxfixes-32: 5.0 -> 5.0.112:06
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: xorg-libxinerama-32: 1.1.2 -> 1.1.312:06
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: xorg-libxt-32: 1.1.3 -> 1.1.412:06
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: xorg-libxtst-32: 1.2.1 -> 1.2.212:06
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: xorg-libxxf86dga-32: 1.1.3 -> 1.1.412:06
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: xorg-libxxf86vm-32: 1.1.2 -> 1.1.312:06
Romsternow time for coffee ugh so tired zombie mode.12:07
jdolanlol, why?12:07
diverselet your blood become caffeinated12:07
jdolani'm not allowed to have interests that evolve and change over time?12:08
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Romsteryeah you are.12:12
Romsterwe all shift from one thing to another over time.12:13
Romstereven per12:13
diversewe think your experiences would be valuable here, that's all12:14
jdolani guess i just find hacking on games more challenging / fun.12:21
diverseThat's cool.12:21
diverseand like you said, the distro carries on.12:26
diverseRomster: does that mean you are adding 3 more ports to your repo?12:29
frinnstwtf jdolan, not ported ztn2dm3 to q2w yet? awesome 1on1 map iirc :)12:44
jdolanfrinnst: i actually talked to ztn last year and got permission to do a remake by decompiling the original.12:44
jdolanand we have a mapper who's working on it, he's creating all new textures for it.12:45
jdolanfrinnst: /j #quetoo if you're interested.12:45
Romsterdiverse, no just bumping xorg/compat-3212:54
Romsterfor now :D12:54
Romsterbrowsers freecode13:03
Romsteroh i know what i could do... but i don't know if frinnst is gonna make a harfbuzz-icu port or leave it to me.13:03
Romsterso i can patch and test webkit13:04
frinnstI really have no interest in harfbuzz-icu since I personally have no use for it13:07
frinnstbut i'll maintain it if needed13:07
Romsterok i'll build it as i need it for webkit13:08
frinnstSince only (?) webkit will need it it might be better placed in contrib?13:08
Romsterwas gonna put it in opt but yeah i'll throw it in contrib.13:09
Romstertest-unicode.c:(.text+0x2e): undefined reference to `hb_unicode_funcs_create'13:14
Romsterthe heck is that on harfbuzz 0.9.1813:14
jaegerjdolan lives!13:16
jdolansup jaeger :)13:17
jaegerNot much yet, just got to work13:17
Romsterah libxslt needs a rebuild.13:19
jdolanjaeger: working like a dog lately.13:19
jaegerWhat do you do these days?13:19
jdolanbut its friday!13:19
jdolanjaeger: i work for a small consultancy based in Boston: http://cantina.co13:20
jdolani live in Naples FL now tho.13:20
Romsterhmm nope still wont build... frinnst you may have some fun with harfbuzz13:20
jaegerlong distance indeed. :)13:20
Romsterthink we might need a newer glib for harfbuzz13:21
jdolanjaeger: how about you? how's life?13:25
Romsterhmm it's at the latest version...13:25
Romsterbugger it i'm just gonna relax instead13:25
jdolanbtw this was shared in #quetoo this morning and it's so painful i just have to pass it on:
jaegerjdolan: pretty decent, just keeping busy with work13:27
jaegerit's how hackers talk when they don't want to be overheard! heh13:27
Romsterirc primitive....13:35
Romsterthere is so many things wrong with that i don't know where to begin.13:38
Romsterfrinnst, hacky but this worked.13:39
Romstersed -i -e 's|^SUBDIRS = src util test|SUBDIRS = src util|' Makefile.in13:39
Romsterstupid tests testing for icu stuff13:39
Romstereven when --with-icu=no13:39
jaegerhaha, just read an awesome IT story13:43
jaegerTheir "admin" was running their production DNS via 2 OpenDNS appliance virtual machines in ESXi.... INSIDE VMware workstation.... on his desktop machine13:44
jaegerWith a fully licensed copy of ESXi, not the free version13:44
Rotwangthis one is funny too:
jaegerplebbery :P13:45
frinnstthis one is also pretty horrible:
frinnstyoutube's related is dangerous14:07
jaegeryeah, very :)14:08
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horrorStruckRotwang: just FTR, using iw-3.10 since its release, no issue so far14:32
horrorStruckjue: not exactly a crucial port but traceroute 2.0.19 is out, builds fine, works fine :)14:34
horrorStruckjue: util-linux 2.23.1 too, no issue as well14:35
Romsterlol silly script kiddie14:35
RomsterhorrorStruck,  done a sysup lately?14:36
horrorStruckRomster: i'm *always* up-to-date :P14:36
horrorStruckdo you mean i missed something? i have locked ports14:37
horrorStruckso maybe14:37
Romsterxorg updates as per a hour or so agao14:37
Romsteri think jue is working on a ton of updates too.14:38
diversehorrorStruck: what do you mean by "locked ports"?14:40
nogagplzyou can lock ports so that they don't get touched during sysup and such14:40
Romsterprt-get listlocked14:40
Romsterlock/unlock too14:41
horrorStruckRomster: ah yeah, thanks for taking care of all the CVEs, no issue at all14:41
horrorStruckdiverse: the australian dream team was faster than me14:42
nogagplzdefer everything to romster in future to save time14:42
diversenogagplz: by that you mean Romster is the all knowing Crux god?14:44
nogagplzmore like just that guy in the corner14:45
horrorStruckyou sure it's romster? dont we say OH MY FRINNST in iceland and alaska?14:46
horrorStruckBTW, dont take my "no issues" for granted since i'm using xurc so...14:48
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diverseLooks like Romster's laptop died.14:54
Romsteroh that was me at work.14:55
Romsterand that should not happen...14:55
diversedidn't you say its the laptop you use while you read in bed?14:55
horrorStruckhope that was you with SSH because it's around 1 am right?14:55
Romsteri left it connected at work14:56
Romsterlooks like work lost power again.14:59
nogagplznah the exchange probably just blew up again14:59
Romsterwhen will they fix the damn problem permanently.14:59
Romsteroh gawd that was excruciating, i was going mental at the no net.15:00
diverseno internet access for several days?15:03
Romstertry 3 weeks then another 3 weeks of dialup speeds due to congestion15:04
nogagplzI survived on dialup from 1998 to 2009, how could you not handle 3 weeks15:05
Romsterwhat's worse i was on the net late like 4am went to bed..... woke up nabour told me excahnge got burned.....15:05
Romsteri was like noooooooooo15:06
Romsterand i got a 3G stick after it got the ent back on as they were sold out everywhere.15:06
horrorStruckyou mean FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU15:06
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joacimI was once downgraded from 6 Mbps to 1 Mbps. :S15:07
horrorStrucknot sure if it's thailand only but 3G really really sux15:07
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Romsteri was lucky to load a web page.15:08
horrorStrucki had this also when some cable had been broken few years ago in SE Asia region, such a fucking PITA15:10
horrorStruckundersea cable15:10
horrorStruckor underwater or whatever it's called15:11
RotwanghorrorStruck: interested in adopting iw?15:11
diverseRomster: imagine life with no internet15:12
horrorStruckRotwang: i use it on 2 machines but i'm not a maintainer :)15:12
RomsterhorrorStruck, stop being a non-maintainer and get in there15:13
horrorStrucki recently started to read books again, it's a really enjoyable activity15:13
nogagplzonly hipsters read books in this day and age15:14
Romsteri used to read books now i read online15:14
horrorStrucknogagplz: but i read books using chromium extension, does that help :( ?15:14
horrorStruck\o/ CHAMPAGNE15:15
horrorStruckone pill makes you smaller...15:16
joacimI hate books15:17
joacimi rather wait for the video game to come out15:17
nogagplzI'm not so interested in 50 shades of call of duty tbh15:18
juehorrorStruck: thanks, we had no rule for traceroute in our ck4up.conf, so we missed the update for it15:19
horrorStruckmachine gun pr0n sounds awesome if you ask me :D15:19
horrorStruckjue: np, i think it's out for a long time actually, just realized while trying to fix something that was in fact a glibc fart on my side15:20
diverseWow, we gone from talking about books to games and then to porn.15:21
nogagplzjust need hitler for things to be rounded off nicely15:22
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horrorStrucka geek's lile (TM)15:22
Romstertopics change so fast in irc15:23
diverseyeah, but it was all in less then 8 minutes, topic changes too fase15:23
diverseRomster: thank you15:23
nogagplzyeah hitler did have a silly moustache15:23
Romsteri can't get that crazy beard out of my mind, n thanks to nogagplz ....15:24
diverseGot UNIX beard?15:24
nogagplzwhich beard, your one from last night?15:24
nogagplzyeah that was pretty big15:25
Rotwanghe was quite upset15:26
diversedamn the topic changes...15:26
Rotwangno, it is just diverse15:27
Romsterhere come the puns15:27
nogagplzcan you blame us for trying to diversify15:27
nogagplzor some shit15:27
diversenogagplz: no, its not like I can stop you ;)15:30
diversenogagplz: aren't you going to raise me something?15:32
horrorStruckwhat... do you mean15:32
diversehorrorStruck: it was a joke from earlier, hold on a sec15:33
nogagplzscrew this15:35
nogagplzI'm going to reset and play some games15:35
horrorStruckbook inspired games?15:35
nogagplzno shit games like battlefield15:38
horrorStruck| do whatever you want I DO WHATEVER YOU WANT <- shocking15:38
diversehorrorStruck: hmm?15:39
horrorStruckI'll take your reverse <- WTF15:39
horrorStrucki've heard/read enough15:40
nogagplzyou looking for a fight horror15:40
diverseOh I see you took the pipe "|" for an "I"15:40
diversedude its weechat output15:41
horrorStruckjust jocking :)15:42
horrorStruckjoking even15:42
horrorStruckyou dont have grumpy permissions on this channel15:43
diverseHey jaeger you were right earlier!
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horrorStruckback in business :P15:48
diverseSo that means they fix the exchange, which also means Romster can have his internet back (on his laptop at work).15:49
Roomsternow i'm on my laptop15:50
horrorStruckyou're at work??15:50
diverseyou SSH in there?15:50
Roomsterif you look work used a different ident15:50
Roomsterbeen too lazy to setup znx15:50
horrorStruckRoomster: tried PIE aqm? i use fq_codel everywhere but i'm curious about PIE15:56
Roomsterhope, havent heard of it15:59
horrorStruckbrb, need to rebuild stock16:01
diverseRoomster: were you able to remove anymore dups in your repo?16:05
Roomsterhave'nt done anymore16:07
Roomstergonna pass out later16:10
diverseRoomster: night16:10
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timcowchipMr Peachy's thermometer, courtesy of conky-lua and its dependencies tolua++ and lua51(thank you Romster)17:46
joacimnow you'll have all kinds of weather to talk about17:48
timcowchipits finally getting warm here17:49
joacimbeen above 20C since the middle of may. norway is too hot. :/17:50
timcowchip20C is about 70F ?17:50
timcowchipthat's perfect17:52
timcowchipwe get about 3 days a year in the 70's17:52
joacimI prefer 10-15C. it is a nicer temperature to work in.17:53
frinnstyou should work where i work, its always that temp there17:53
timcowchipwe get lots of days in the 50's17:54
timcowchipbelow that is chilly17:54
joacimfrinnst: i bet you have a nice view too17:54
joacimI actually like fall, even tho it is windy and rainy. comfortable temperatures, and I can wear proper clothes again. Winters are nice too17:56
teK_sure ISC just make  it harder to download crappy ol' bind19:12
teK_Our software is open source because we believe in building a better Internet. By donating, you will be demonstrating your support for the development and growth of open source platforms.19:12
teK_I'm digging through your shit with fading buttons and fancy JS.. that's enough of my support19:12
teK_ok I am required to enter my mail address  before they will let me download the tarballs19:13
teK_what a shitload of crap19:13
teK_AND thez added a button "professional solutions"19:14
frinnstw h a t  t h e  f u c k19:14
frinnstapril 1st?19:14
teK_Dan Bernstein dissed the bind author's hard for reasons :P19:14
frinnstphew, ftp still works19:16
frinnstBIND 9.9.3, BIND 9.8.5, and BIND 9.6-ESV-R9 have been released19:17
frinnstand are available to be downloaded from the ISC ftp site or19:17
teK_but because them being hipsters I can flame them via twitter \o/19:17
frinnstSorry but we couldn't find the page you are looking for.19:17
frinnst.. that announcement was from the 29th19:17
frinnstawesome breakage19:18
teK_morons :-)19:20
frinnstteK_: good idea19:20
teK_ISC is proud to announce the launch of its subsidiary, @theDNSCo!19:20
teK_fiddling with the 140 char limit19:20
teK_so much hate squeezed into 140 chars :P19:20
teK_btw I maintain bind because it has had many security holes and I thought that I 'd fix the port faster than others19:23
teK_only because. ;)19:24
frinnstI dont care, i maintain my own! :P19:24
teK_yeah? Why?19:24
frinnstI dont remember. im sure i had a reason way back :)19:24
frinnstmine is on version 8.5.x19:25
teK_haha :D19:25
frinnst9.8.5 :)19:26
frinnstsilly numbers19:26
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: unrar: 5.0.4 -> 5.0.519:26
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: lftp: 4.4.7 -> 4.4.819:26
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: bind: 9.9.2-P2 -> 9.9.319:28
frinnstok, now im using your port of bind19:35
teK_not yet19:35
frinnsthm, need to catch up on hannibal19:39
fireglow'orrible murders19:39
teK_I stopped it19:39
fireglowI'm thinking about stopping it19:39
teK_switched to Elementary19:39
fireglowno direction19:39
fireglowElementary OWNS, teK_!!19:39
fireglowI mean to say, I am very fond of the show19:40
teK_and Hannibal just looks scary because of his face. Hopkins WAS scary by presence ;)19:40
frinnstyeah elementary is pretty good, burned through the first season a few weeks ago19:40
teK_I am, too19:40
teK_have yet to finish burning through S0119:40
tilmanlol, i just got the weirdest mail ever19:41
tilmanfrom the guy who wrote 'hacker's delight'19:41
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frinnst.. i hope you are typing tilman! :)19:42
tilmanyeah, sorry19:44
tilmankinda distracted19:44
tilmananyway, i sent him a patch for his software19:45
tilmanand his reply is just rambling about how attachments shouldbe after the body and not before19:45
frinnstI wonder how many friends he has :)19:46
teK_you chose the wrong tone right away <- my guess19:46
teK_next time try it like this guy:
tilmani think he's making a joke19:46
teK_etc. :p19:46
frinnstSteps to fix:19:48
teK_my favourite is:19:48
frinnsthaha beer is spewing from my nose19:50
RotwangI like this one:19:51
RotwangStep 2. Assume basic engineering principles applied throughout due to HEAVY MARKETING SUGGESTING AWESOMENESS.19:51
tilmantoo bad that mail was private comm.19:58
tilmani'd love to paste it for you guys19:59
teK_distribute the paste-url privately19:59
teK_yes, more mongo-awesomeness20:00
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teK_btw anybody interested in a synergy port?20:17
frinnstdont think its something i would use20:22
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teK_would you consider adding sourcesans to xorg?20:27
jaegerSurprised there isn't one in contrib already, honestly. I don't use it myself anyway but it's definitely useful20:27
teK_its build system is brain dead20:27
teK_it has configure and some script20:28
teK_don't use either20:28
teK_you have to use cmake20:28
teK_and then it still won't build because it fails on tests (main() defined twice because some cmakerule is b0rked)20:29
teK_oh and there seems to be no switch to disable the tests..20:29
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frinnstteK_: the adobe fonts?20:32
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nrxtxfrinnst: synergy the keyboard/mouse sharing tool?20:32
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nrxtxah sry that was for teK_20:32
nrxtxif there was a port of synergy i'd use it20:34
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nrxtxcurrently using it manually compiled20:35
joacimI suppose making a port would be just as easy as compiling it manually =)20:38
joacimif not even easier due to being able to track the files20:38
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: synergy: initial commit20:39
nrxtxjoacim: there was a problem at the time i tried, but didn't remember which stopped me from making a pkgfile :D20:41
nrxtxi also made some pkgfiles for some other tools, but never got an answer from contrib-admin mail adress ...20:41
teK_sepen is rather busy20:42
teK_you can remail your proposal to tek@crux.nu20:42
nrxtxteK_: thx, done20:45
teK_hast du auch einen Nachnamen?20:50
teK_Warning: file( failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found in /home/crux/bin/pdbcacher.php on line 18920:56
teK_Errors while retrieving collection jdolan20:56
teK_you have been added to our ports repository, nrxtx  :-) congrats20:58
teK_you're welcome20:59
nrxtxanyone has an up to date compiled chromium pkg for crux?21:03
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jdolan^ lol21:08
jdolanthat ports repo, if it were still online, would be about 8 years stale.21:08
nrxtxjoacim: thx, hope i get my computer fixed in the next weeks, compiling firefox/chromium on an old intel atom with 1gb ram is not really fun...21:11
joacimalways wondered how fast those are. If they can beat my 2006 C2D.21:13
nrxtxjoacim: which C2D do you have?21:16
joacimE6300 @ 1.8 GHz21:16
nrxtxhm don't think it'll be a lot faster21:20
nrxtxif it's faster at all21:20
nrxtxD510 @ 1.6 GHz (2010)21:22
joacimhard to find charts that place those up against much older cpus21:29
joacimoh well =)21:29
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nrxtxjoacim: found something?21:30
joacimnah. i gave up. I find the performance of most systems these days to be enough for my needs21:32
joacimit matters more to me how well the device is made21:33
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: [notify] xorg-libxrandr: updated to 1.4.1. Fix for CVE-2013-198623:40
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: [notify] xorg-libxext: updated to 1.3.2. Fix for CVE-2013-198223:40

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