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| Romster | clang has 404 http://llvm.org/releases/3.3/clang-3.3.src.tar.gz | 11:33 |
| Romster | http://llvm.org/releases/3.3/cfe-3.3.src.tar.gz is that it? days Clang source code (9.4M) | 11:34 |
| Romster | yeah it is confirmed from the arch pkgbuild | 11:37 |
| Romster | why would they rename it | 11:38 |
| jaeger | email them and ask | 12:12 |
| Romster | probably wouldn't listen to a nobody like me | 12:13 |
| Romster | they probably plan to rename it or integrate it somehow at a guess. | 12:14 |
| Romster | on another note i'm finally recovering | 12:14 |
| frinnst | wat, you were broken? | 12:15 |
| frinnst | :) | 12:15 |
| Romster | sick | 12:15 |
| frinnst | ouch | 12:15 |
| frinnst | manflu is the worst | 12:15 |
| Romster | lets just say over 20 visits to the toilet, aching joints, headache. hazy thinking | 12:15 |
| frinnst | lovely | 12:15 |
| Romster | starved myself too | 12:16 |
| jaeger | Do what I did, get swine flu. After that you're very flu-resistant. :) | 12:16 |
| Romster | now i can actaully keep food down and not that far down the other end | 12:16 |
| Romster | heh | 12:16 |
| Romster | i went and ate 600mills of soup with 2 and a half teaspoons of cayenne hot pepper, that fixed my gut up. | 12:17 |
| Romster | i would not recomend doing that though -_- | 12:17 |
| frinnst | yeah ought to kill whatever is in there :) | 12:18 |
| Romster | yep | 12:19 |
| Romster | if it don't kill yourself in the process | 12:19 |
| Romster | uneven heart rhythm from it | 12:19 |
| frinnst | yeah that shit is dangerous. a friend of mine died from heart failure ~6 months ago | 12:20 |
| frinnst | 35 | 12:20 |
| Romster | eeps | 12:21 |
| frinnst | previously healthy, just dropped dead pretty much | 12:21 |
| Romster | yeah, that's why i don't recomend it | 12:22 |
| Romster | i've had it before when i had far too much caffeine too | 12:22 |
| joacim | i hear there are people that have died from those cinnamon challenges | 12:22 |
| joacim | their lungs collapsed | 12:22 |
| Romster | cinnamon? | 12:22 |
| frinnst | yeah but thats just darwin in action | 12:23 |
| Romster | what on earth were they doing? | 12:23 |
| Romster | inhailing it? | 12:23 |
| frinnst | being stupid for facebook | 12:23 |
| frinnst | youtube it | 12:23 |
| joacim | eat a spoon of the stuff | 12:23 |
| Romster | fuck that shit, that's asking for trouble | 12:23 |
| joacim | i just put it on my porridge | 12:24 |
| Romster | makes more sense too do that | 12:24 |
| Romster | love cinnamon | 12:25 |
| Romster | what's next sniffing up nutmeg? | 12:25 |
| joacim | first time i've heard of nutmeg | 12:26 |
| Romster | really it's used in buns | 12:27 |
| frinnst | there's a well known "underground" forum in sweden called flashback. a guy posted there after he ate a bunch of nutmeg. he was out for about 24hrs | 12:27 |
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| Romster | Nutmeg was extremely popular in much of the world from the fifteenth to the nineteenth centuries (Herbst 2001) and remains widely used today as a spice for food and drinks. As a culinary spice, with its unique aroma and taste, nutmeg has added to the human enjoyment of many foods. The essential oil and dried nut also are employed medicinally; however, the effectiveness of treatment versus the toxicity of overdoses makes its medicinal use generally no | 12:29 |
| Romster | t recommended. The risks associated with consuming too much nutmeg reflects on the importance of being informed regarding even easily obtained food items. | 12:29 |
| Romster | silly guy | 12:29 |
| frinnst | yeah.. darwin awards | 12:29 |
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| joacim | turns out i do know what nutmeg is, we just call it something else here. | 12:32 |
| nogagplz | what do you call it there | 12:34 |
| Romster | nice spice but never over do it | 12:37 |
| joacim | muskat | 12:38 |
| frinnst | muskot, almost jaeger :) | 12:38 |
| jaeger | It was a google-based guess :) | 12:39 |
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| frinnst | looks like it might be called that infinish | 12:40 |
| frinnst | in finnish asdf | 12:40 |
| joacim | shampoo | 12:40 |
| jaeger | I was thinking for some reason joacim is in finland | 12:40 |
| frinnst | no norway | 12:40 |
| jaeger | ah, ok :) I'll go sit in the corner | 12:40 |
| joacim | my cousin buys his beer in finland, so it is close enough i guess | 12:40 |
| jaeger | hehe | 12:40 |
| frinnst | this is finland <- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbvLqce-6h0. Not really safe for work / lunch | 12:41 |
| jaeger | I will avoid it for now as I'm at work and have not had lunch yet | 12:41 |
| jaeger | Unrelated to spices, I've been seeing a really weird issue with an ubuntu box at work | 12:45 |
| frinnst | :D | 12:45 |
| jaeger | it's running 12.04 so the desktop is unity/gnome3 | 12:45 |
| jaeger | it has an nvidia video card running the proprietary drivers | 12:45 |
| jaeger | The problem is this: | 12:45 |
| jaeger | For periods of time that might last 10 seconds or 5 minutes, starting a new terminal (and ONLY terminal) will freeze the desktop display for about 5 seconds | 12:45 |
| joacim | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z4iw8Ppo1o <- more finland | 12:46 |
| frinnst | nice, cpu spike? | 12:46 |
| jaeger | I wonder if it's the desktop compositing or vte or something else entirely | 12:47 |
| jaeger | not sure, I'll have to watch it next time it's happening | 12:47 |
| frinnst | joacim: brilliant | 12:47 |
| jaeger | I've got no idea what triggers it to start or stop, so bizarre | 12:47 |
| jaeger | It doesn't happen on the very same machine if booted into another distro, something about ubuntu's setup or unity itself | 12:48 |
| frinnst | weve started to see some strange stuff with vmware the last couple of days | 12:48 |
| jaeger | doh | 12:48 |
| frinnst | snapshots freezes the vm completely for a few seconds.. pings timeout and crap | 12:48 |
| frinnst | and only on linux vm's | 12:49 |
| jaeger | that would suck, definitely. new behavior? | 12:50 |
| frinnst | yeah | 12:50 |
| jaeger | Do you mean vmware snapshots or SAN snapshots? | 12:50 |
| frinnst | nothing has really changed either | 12:50 |
| frinnst | vmware | 12:50 |
| frinnst | during veeam backups | 12:50 |
| frinnst | it seems to be when the snapshot is deleted | 12:50 |
| jaeger | interesting... does veeam do deduplication of the snapshots? | 12:51 |
| jaeger | I've no experience with veeam myself | 12:51 |
| frinnst | there is a veeam proxy vm that does all the deduplication and processing. so, veeam creates a snapshot, the proxy reconfigures itself and attached the targets disks and process those | 12:52 |
| jaeger | Is there any chance the proxy vm creates some kind of network bottleneck? | 12:53 |
| jaeger | Or I/O even | 12:53 |
| teK_ | do you have a ratio wrt space-saving effects of the deduplication? I imagine it to be useful for OS-data almost exclusively | 12:53 |
| frinnst | nah, the issue is only when the snapshot is released i think | 12:56 |
| frinnst | i started to look at it before but got distracted with stupid users | 12:56 |
| jaeger | Well, the reason I asked about dedup is because snapshot deletion ended up being what killed all my VMs for 2 months back when we were deduping our ZFS SAN | 12:56 |
| frinnst | yep :) | 12:57 |
| jaeger | a long shot but that's the first thing that came to mind, hehe | 12:57 |
| frinnst | this must be either some new vmware bug or perhaps some bug with open-vm-tools | 12:57 |
| frinnst | we run that on most of our linux guests | 12:58 |
| jaeger | I've seen weirdness with open-vm-tools now and then with startup/shutdown/quiescing the filesystem, but never freezes | 12:58 |
| jaeger | I tend to use the official tools everywhere I can now | 12:58 |
| frinnst | yeah but that's painful with kernel updates | 12:58 |
| jaeger | actually the last holdout on that was the github enterprise VM and they've changed their minds on that recently | 12:58 |
| jaeger | I don't mind, myself, but you might have a bigger deployment than I do | 12:59 |
| jaeger | most of the time selecting the hosts in vsphere and doing an automatic tools upgrade works | 12:59 |
| jaeger | er... selecting the VMs, not the hosts | 12:59 |
| frinnst | before booting the new kernel? | 13:00 |
| jaeger | no, after | 13:00 |
| frinnst | hm, last time i booted a new kernel vmware-tools would not start | 13:00 |
| frinnst | rhel ~6months ago maybe | 13:00 |
| jaeger | I've only got one rhel VM so not sure there... most of mine are ubuntu server and handle it well | 13:01 |
| frinnst | might want to revisit that then | 13:01 |
| frinnst | im unclear about vmwares position on their tools for linux.. all appliances from vmware use open-vm-tools | 13:02 |
| frinnst | they usually run on opensuse | 13:02 |
| jaeger | interesting, didn't know that | 13:03 |
| frinnst | --- rt.internal.valvea.se ping statistics --- | 13:04 |
| frinnst | 16 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 14999ms | 13:04 |
| frinnst | its removing the snapshot right now.. | 13:04 |
| jaeger | ouch | 13:04 |
| frinnst | teK_: not sure exactly what is dedup and whats compression, but the backup set that contains a bunch of 2008r2 vms are 2,6TB in total and a full backup uses ~830GB | 13:07 |
| jaeger | looks like the CPU does spike on a single core when that terminal issue is happening | 13:08 |
| jaeger | I think it's compiz but hard to tell as the terminals with top running freeze too :) I'll try watching htop from an SSH session :) | 13:08 |
| frinnst | 64 bytes from 172.16.54.15: icmp_seq=134 ttl=64 time=1.08 ms | 13:09 |
| frinnst | 64 bytes from 172.16.54.15: icmp_seq=176 ttl=64 time=1.57 ms | 13:09 |
| frinnst | dropped quite a few pings again.. | 13:09 |
| teK_ | either way .. nice ratio | 13:09 |
| frinnst | http://bc7e2a22f55cddb7.paste.se/ | 13:20 |
| frinnst | fucking depressing | 13:20 |
| bloouup | Kind of off topic but does anyone know of any actively maintained linux distributions that use plan9port instead of the gnu coreutils? | 13:21 |
| jaeger | Not I | 13:23 |
| bloouup | because that would be so truly lightweight | 13:25 |
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| jaeger | nogagplz: bluez in the emulators repo needs a .md5sum update and seems to be missing a libical dep | 14:08 |
| frinnst | hm, seems we found a workaround for the freezing problems during backup | 14:19 |
| frinnst | changed the transport mode from the hypervisor io stack to the network stack | 14:19 |
| frinnst | slower transfers but no more total lockups | 14:19 |
| jaeger | sounds prefereable | 14:20 |
| jaeger | preferable, too | 14:20 |
| frinnst | it is quite a bit slower | 14:20 |
| frinnst | :/ | 14:20 |
| frinnst | from up to ~150mb/s to ~30mb/s | 14:21 |
| frinnst | oh well, as long as no servers are affected.. | 14:21 |
| jaeger | slow is probably better than unreachable :/ | 14:22 |
| frinnst | http://www.veeam.com/kb1681 | 14:23 |
| frinnst | yep :) | 14:23 |
| frinnst | but still dont get why we started seeing this issue in the last couple of days | 14:24 |
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| frinnst | its been running just fine for a year or so and for about a month in our new environment | 14:24 |
| jaeger | yeah, that's odd... did anything add a lot more I/O in the recent days? | 14:24 |
| frinnst | the io is pretty calm | 14:24 |
| teK_ | - Move VM to a host with more available resources. | 14:24 |
| teK_ | I always like that suggestion | 14:24 |
| jaeger | heh | 14:24 |
| teK_ | performance sucks? Well.. throw $$$ at it!!11 | 14:24 |
| frinnst | hehe | 14:25 |
| frinnst | 120gig ram available and cpu is pretty calm too | 14:25 |
| teK_ | while in the first place $$$ were thrown at better using the _available_ performance | 14:25 |
| teK_ | more manufacturer madness: audit people of our ERP system want to know (for some users) what they are doing with the system | 14:26 |
| teK_ | they use the fucking license. The rest of the story is none of your business. | 14:27 |
| frinnst | http://www.stec-inc.com/products/s3000-series-solid-state-storage/ | 14:27 |
| frinnst | looks kinda sexy | 14:28 |
| teK_ | 1. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-b0CLD1bmZRM/ULVDiYntQJI/AAAAAAAADgo/wmCK4mzRNZM/s1600/Woody-Harrelson.jpg | 14:28 |
| jaeger | hehe | 14:29 |
| teK_ | 2. SMB has better performance than iSCSI? Would not have expected that. | 14:29 |
| frinnst | heh | 14:30 |
| frinnst | iscsi has locking issues iirc | 14:30 |
| frinnst | smb < iscsi < nfs | 14:31 |
| teK_ | yes? | 14:31 |
| teK_ | I could not belive NFS was used for storage + vmware first place | 14:32 |
| frinnst | why? its awesome :) | 14:32 |
| frinnst | we used to run iscsi.. nightmare | 14:32 |
| teK_ | it has shitty behaviour if the serve gets lost | 14:32 |
| teK_ | r | 14:32 |
| jaeger | I've used a little of both with our vmware stuff, much rather use NFS | 14:33 |
| teK_ | great; will remember :) | 14:33 |
| jaeger | the VMs can shit themselves if the NFS server goes away (like it did with our ZFS dedup issues) | 14:33 |
| teK_ | v3 or 4? | 14:33 |
| frinnst | vmware uses 3 | 14:33 |
| jaeger | iscsi had some annoying limitations, though, like 2TB max | 14:33 |
| jaeger | Though as far as I know they've fixed that with a VMFS upgrade | 14:34 |
| frinnst | there are workarounds iirc, but the 2tb limit is still there | 14:34 |
| jaeger | now that we know never to use dedup in production, NFS has been rock solid | 14:34 |
| frinnst | we use nfs because it gives us *better* dedup :) | 14:34 |
| teK_ | funny.. | 14:34 |
| jaeger | well, I'm talking specifically about ZFS dedup | 14:35 |
| teK_ | so what's the difference in your setups? I guess both of you use ESXi 5 and vCenter? | 14:35 |
| teK_ | ah. | 14:35 |
| jaeger | for reference, 128GB RAM is *NOT* enough to handle the dedup tables for 37TB of data | 14:35 |
| frinnst | yeah. | 14:35 |
| jaeger | yes | 14:35 |
| frinnst | we use a lot less data, maybe ~20tb in total | 14:35 |
| jaeger | the data we were deduping isn't even vmware-related but ZFS dedup tables are pool-wide so performance was still trashed for vmware | 14:36 |
| frinnst | we are migrating away from our old san (fas 2040) to our new (fas 2240), with new blades, 10gbit switches etc | 14:36 |
| frinnst | and from our physical cisco firewalls to vmware vshield | 14:37 |
| jaeger | We're split between two SANs currently... oracle zfs storage is one and the other is an EMC Isilon X200 cluster | 14:37 |
| jaeger | all the vmware stuff is on the isilon cluster, love it | 14:37 |
| frinnst | the old san uses iscsi and the new filer uses nfs | 14:38 |
| teK_ | are there systems you won't move into the vmware infrastructure due to (data) safety concerns? | 14:40 |
| jaeger | Not in my case, no | 14:41 |
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| jaeger | At this point the only critical servers we have not virtualized are the exchange hubs and our RSA appliance | 14:47 |
| jaeger | the RSA appliance we could get a virtual version of but we haven't bothered | 14:48 |
| jaeger | as for exchange, nobody knows what the windows admin is thinking | 14:48 |
| jaeger | I don't think they're even backed up | 14:48 |
| teK_ | s/what he's/if he's/g ;D | 14:51 |
| jaeger | I can't/won't argue that point, hehe | 14:51 |
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