IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2013-08-07

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Worksterhmm i was scrolled up...01:17
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nogagplzfrinnst LOL, what a good guy01:34
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jturnerhmm, my firefox build seems to create 2 additional files not in .footprint, usr/lib/firefox/browser/.purgecaches and usr/lib/firefox/webapprt/.purgecaches03:08
jturnercould it be reading settings from my user profile?03:08
jturnerseems unlikely since I'm building as root, which doesn't have a .mozilla03:09
jturneranyways, zzz for now03:14
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: chromium: updated to 28.0.1500.9507:34
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: bluez: Moved from contrib07:48
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: sbc: Initial commit07:48
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: pulseaudio: Initial commit07:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: bluez: Moved to opt07:50
frinnstpulseaudio! :D08:14
frinnstsystemd is now not far off :p08:15
frinnstjturner: hm, not seen that before08:16
frinnstno, it doesnt touch your userprofile but you might have something installed that gets used during the build08:17
Romsterpulseaudio-32 lennart08:22
Romsterthe irony08:22
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Romsterhrmm wtf is up with my work client...08:28
Romsterghosting or had it connected again?08:28
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Romsterand the bugger will not not identify to services08:29
diverseeww... pulseaudio08:33
diversefrinnst: what do you mean "systemd is not far off"?08:34
pitillofirst step to get into systemd is adding pulseadio... next commit will show systed: Initial commit xD08:35
diversewho needs pulseaudio, thats lennart's crap.08:38
pitillodiverse: btw are you using e17?08:39
Romsterbloody hell thunderbird takes forever to compile lie it's not using all my cores08:39
diversepitillo: I am.08:39
pitilloRomster: +1...08:39
pitillodiverse: have you updated to efl 1.7.8 and e17 0.17.4?08:39
diverseno I haven't, I wasn't aware of their update until now.08:40
pitillodiverse: ok, take care because it isn't working here... I'm trying to debug what's happening08:40
pitilloI know you are one of e17 users here... I think there isn't anymore08:41
pitilloif you give a try to it, I hope you can tell me if it starts right for you (if anyone want to give a hand to confirm it doesn't start the second time, when the wizard finished it could be great)08:42
Romster#ac_add_options --enable-optimize="$(grep -o '[-]O.' <<< "${CFLAGS}")"08:44
Romsterfinally it's built08:44
pitilloRomster: how many time? here with my desktop (2 cores) it took so many hours... (more than ff or chromium...)08:45
Romsterhour or less i think08:45
pitilloI finished locking it (and I'm patient...)08:45
pitillopfff really fast with 20 jobs08:45
Romsterbut if that uncommenting works i should get it done sooner.08:45
Romsteror maybe not that's not todo with jobs08:47
Romster# crux libpng doesn't support apng08:51
Romsterthat needs to be fixed in thunderbird.08:51
frinnstyes it does08:51
Romsterhas the right jobs... guess it spends most of it's time generating idl files etc.08:54
Romsterdo we still need -mno-avx ?08:54
Romsterwhat does that fix now?08:54
Romsterand there is a avx208:55
frinnstit prevents mozilla applications from crashing on my cpu if i use -march=native08:55
Romsterdoes it crash if you set -march= to your cpu type?08:56
Romsterlike i got mine st to amdfam1008:56
Romsternative would choose amdfam10 for this pc.08:56
frinnstif the arch uses avx dit does08:56
Romsterboth would fail or only native.08:56
frinnsti filed a bug ~2 years ago regarding that08:56
Romsterso it may not affect me.08:57
frinnstno, but does gcc use avx for your cpu?08:57
RomsterGCC depresses SSEx instructions when -mavx is used.08:57
Romsteravx isn't in my cpu flags.08:58
Romsterflags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid pni monitor cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt hw_pstate npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save08:58
Romsterbeats me.08:58
Romsteror that does not correlate to that flag08:58
frinnstit should08:58
frinnstguess it also depends on if gcc is aware and updated regarding your cpu08:59
Romsteravx turns on a bunch of stuff.08:59
Romsterall SSE related though.08:59
Romstergcc's man page suggets i don't have that.09:01
frinnstsince firefox 6.0 (and probably earlier too)09:01
Romsterpitillo, if you really like i can upload my built thunderbird port.09:01
Romsteri bum,ped it to .809:01
Romsteryeah the cpu would have to have flags avx or avx2 to have those features.09:02
Romster-mfpmath=sse doens't fix your problem?09:03
Romsterinstead of 787 or does x86_64 already default to sse09:04
pitilloRomster: that'd be great and it'll avoid me some compiling hours...09:04
pitillofinally I found the problem with e17... Now I'm afraid of commiting the fix in ecore...09:05
frinnstbe brave!09:05
pitillofrinnst: can you disable spambot hooks in e17 repo? errr I mean cruxbot :P09:06
frinnstnot I, sorry09:06
frinnsttek, jaeger and jue can i think09:06
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frinnstRomster: so this is whats actually used on my machine:
Romsterjaeger, is tired he just got back from being away09:08
pitilloRomster: is it uploaded?09:08
juepitillo: please ask teK_, he is our guy09:09
pitillojue: yeah, I think he put hands on it some time ago. Probably I'll ask him again to remove the hooks and avoid the spam here. Thank you09:09
pitilloI tried contacting sepen and ask him to take a look to it... but he's really busy and this isn't an important thing really09:10
Romsterhe is married now he has no time for us.09:11
pitillohe hadn't neither when he wasn't married... He's married since 12 years ago :P09:12
Romstermfpmath=                   38709:12
Romsteryeah i'd test it with mfpmath=sse frinnst09:12
Romsteroh i thought he jsut got married like this year.09:13
Romsteror was that to renew his wedding vowels09:13
pitilloyeah... he was married this year.. but for me... he was married since long time ago :)09:13
Romster-mno-fancy-math-387 might have something todo with that too.09:13
Romsteroh right pitillo lol09:13
Romsternot related but lol -mno-red-zone09:14
pitillosorry about my english level... it's only an expression... he was with his wife since so long... wedding is only a submission for me :)09:14
Romsterit's only a bit of paper really.09:14
Romsterto make it offical09:15
pitilloyeah, that's the point Romster :)09:15
Romsterdoubt i'll ever find the right one. lasts a few months then gone.09:15
pitillogive time to time...09:16
frinnstive stopped bothering :)09:16
Romsteri'm 35 now if i am to have kids it better be soon or i'll be too damn old or dead to father them.09:16
Romstermight be for the best i am dyslexic and am slightly oh i forget the word now... retarded but not as a mean word.09:18
Romsterpitillo, thunderbird done uploading.09:19
pitilloit's never late for men Romster, probably for women (but at these days, there are many ways to solve that)09:19
pitilloRomster: thank you, let's go :)09:20
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Romsternote that's newer than in contrib09:21
Romsterrebuilding it for my desktop and i'm timing it.09:21
pitillogreat... it'll be locked too09:21
Romsterbut i hacked the Pkgfile so it uses my march09:21
Romsterwell until Rotwang bumps it09:22
Romsteri don't think the .7 will build with new nss?09:22
Romsteri got an idea on how to auto manage building binary ports but it's not pretty and it'll take some code todo.09:23
Romsterto handle all the optional ports that a port can link too.09:23
Romsterbut not high up on my priority list.09:24
Romstermy desktop build might be a bit skewed... using ccache and got distcc as it's backend. to -j20 jobs09:25
Romsterand ccache is on a ssd09:25
frinnstthudnerbird 17.0.8 built fine here09:26
Romsterwith mfpmath=sse and removed -mno-avx ?09:29
frinnstno special crap09:32
frinnstjust native09:32
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frinnstbesides, i dont want to mess around with the cflags in the port too much. but i'll test your suggestion09:38
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Romsterjust curious09:39
Romsterpretty fast09:39
Romsterbut that's with ccache as well.09:39
Romsterprobably be 30 minutes without ccache09:40
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frinnstim timing building gcc on my pi :)09:59
frinnstRotwang: new thunderbird! :)09:59
Romsterbe about a week10:06
Romsterhi Rotwang10:06
Romsterbumping thunderbird works.10:06
Romsteri also uncommneted ac_add_options --with-system-png10:07
Romsterand ac_add_options --enable-optimize="$(grep -o '[-]O.' <<< "${CFLAGS}") -mno-avx"10:07
Romsterrunning it here just fine10:07
teK_pitillo: why disable the hooks for e17?10:14
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: gstreamer-vaapi: initial import10:18
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: gstreamer-vaapi1: initial import10:18
frinnstteK_: it repeats an old commit everytime he pushes something10:19
Romsteri dunno about disabling it but something is broken there.10:19
Romsterdoes that on every commit to e17 apparently.10:21
Romsterif you can fix it so it's showing the correct commits would be better.10:22
pitilloyeah, that'd be perfect, but it isn't really an important thing... there aren't many users so the noise here is worse10:24
Romsterwell if it's a easy fix, up to teK_10:25
Romsterbe thankful it don't spam 100 lines and make the bot sendq quit <<10:25
pitillobut I don't like the noise and confusion generated by them10:30
diversepitillo: you solved the e17 problem?10:32
pitillodiverse: I think so, btw, can you tried the current build to see if you can reproduce the problem? (I've hit it in x86/x86_64 an ARM)10:33
pitilloyou will solve it rebuilding ecore disabling abstract sockets... easy fix. But it would be great if you can check it and reproduce the current problem10:34
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diversepitillo: this is a bad time for me to test, could I test it later?10:36
pitillodiverse: no problem. I'm testing it and currently in x86 isn't working...10:38
pitilloARM will be slower...10:38
diversealright, time for me to sleep.10:39
Romsterhe could of started it before he went to sleep.10:42
pitillono problem... let's see if I finish the sysup and I can do something more with qemu/vbox... I'm getting a bit crazy with this10:43
Romsterarn't you past crazy jaja10:44
Romstercrap and i spot a mild error... least it's not to bad to fix.10:45
pitillotrue, hard to get crazier... that's why I'm not afraid :)10:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: libvdpau: 0.6 -> 0.710:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: libvdpau: contrib -> opt10:54
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libvdpau: contrib -> opt10:56
Romsterdoes alan even look at dependencies?10:59
Romsterpulseaudio depends on speex speex is maintained by me in contrib.10:59
Romsterand libsndfile11:00
Romsterdo i make a bug report?11:00
Romsterbut those packages i maintain.. so it would fall on me anyways.11:01
Romsterwhy would a sound engine need speex11:02
Romsterlibsndfile is more understandable11:02
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-xf86-video-ati: updated to 7.2.011:07
Romstersaw that was gonna do that after this... wont need to now.11:08
Romsterwe have no easy way todo meta ports due to prt-get using a flat file for alias.conf11:10
Romsteri'll just have todo a README11:10
pitilloummm which key is used to release qemu gui? I'm going backwards...11:14
Romstercan't remember right ctrl in vbox11:15
pitilloand has someone kernel confg for it?11:15
pitilloyes, I don't remember neither.. I was using right ctrl...11:15
pitillohow I can forget these things...11:16
pitilloctrl+alt... over x11vnc is hard...11:17
pitillogoing backwards day by day...11:17
Romsteroh boy i just know i'll get yelled at again if i bump libva...11:18
RomsterABI breakage if i do11:19
Romsterisn't there some GUI menu item to send special commands pitillo ?11:19
pitilloit's working right Romster... probably I've send the first time and got bad latency (or there is a conspiration currently with computer vs me...)11:21
RomsterteK_, may i ask you to update libva-intel to 1.2.0 and rename it to libva-intel-driver, and optionally put it in opt?11:22
Romsteryeah latency can do that11:22
Romsterpitillo, delete... not working... presses key 10 times..... nothing then zoom entire line gone. oh bugger. :D11:23
pitillocheck x11vnc output... you'll see there the errors (if keys are pressed too fast, it avoids them I belive)11:24
RomsterteK_, maybe the rename might have to hang off until CRUX 3.1, though which means i need to adjust libva README oh also remove the libbva dependency out of libva-intel as libva depends on them not the other way around.11:27
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: libva: contrib -> opt11:31
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libva: contrib -> opt11:32
teK_will look into it tonight (7+ hours away)11:33
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: [notify] libva: 1.1.1 -> 1.2.1. ABI breakage.11:35
Romsterah for gods sake the drivers depend on libva as well as libva needing the drivers to function.11:40
Romsterthis always happens when i try to jam in crux dev into a few hours...11:41
Romstercyclic dependencies annoy me.11:41
frinnstNethttpd: Protocol exception: Sys_error("ubuntu/dists/precise/multiverse/i18n/Index: Permission denied")12:03
frinnsti run it manually, it works12:04
frinnstwhen it runs nightly i get that error12:04
Romsterprobably hasn't got the same environment variables? when ran at night.12:05
teK_frinnst: apparmor?12:08
teK_uhm Romster12:08
teK_+echo "Be sure to install a backend."12:08
teK_+echo "See README file in the libva port directory."12:08
teK_+sleep 1012:08
teK_srsly? :)12:08
Romsterforget it i need to redo shit again.12:11
Romsterbroken upstream and that libva needs the driver backends to work but then each driver requires libva12:12
Romsterso a cyclic dependency issue to top that off.12:12
Romsterno on ever reads README files.12:12
teK_maybe but it's _their_ fault then12:13
teK_no need to hassle users with sleeps and echos12:13
Romsterhmm k12:13
teK_I do read the README but ignore compilation messages iff everything else worked fine12:13
Romster-_- go figure but your one of the minority.12:14
teK_on some machines I even put stdout to /dev/null in pkgmk :-)12:14
Romsterbut you know what your doing <<12:19
Romsterin my hastness i've created yet anotehr damn mess.12:19
teK_play it cool man :-)12:19
Romstertesting everything before i commit the fix.12:21
Romsterah think i finally found a patch12:30
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: libva-vdpau-driver: contrib -> opt12:41
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libva-vdpau-driver: contrib -> opt12:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: [notify] libva-vdpau-driver: Compile fix for libva 1.2.112:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libva: remove echo and pause to read the README file12:45
Romsternow i'm not touching anything for awhile after that.12:46
cruxbot[core.git/3.0]: libgmp: fix for multilib header installation12:47
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: libgmp-32: fix for multilib header installation12:47
Romsterthanks jaeger12:50
Romstermissing nettle-3212:50
jaegerNo, it's just not pushed yet12:51
Romsterfrinnst, --enable-vdpau          enable vdpau library [default=auto]12:57
Romsterso you should already be using it anyways12:57
jaegerjesus, java, thanks for taking 11.5GB of RAM for no fucking reason12:58
Romsterhaha gotta love java12:58
jaegerIf only every single KVM or ILOM on the planet didn't use it =(12:59
teK_because it's for embedded devices!12:59
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.0]: nettle-32: fixed for libgmp and libgmp-32 header changes13:06
jaegerhad to fix some things on my build box to make sure that built properly13:06
Romsterclean chroot should work ok13:08
Romsterand i had tested your changes and reported there ok.13:08
jaegerI usually build it on two different machines to make sure things are safe... one clean snapshot VM and one live host with other junk installed13:10
jaegercan't be too careful13:10
Romsterto true see my mess above -_-13:10
Romstersorted now, thank goodness.13:11
Romsteri got half completed projects everywhere here :/13:11
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: [notify] ffmpeg: 1.2.1 -> 1.2.2. new dependency libvdpau, enabled vdpau support13:30
Romsterok i lied but that wasn't gonna asplode on me.13:30
Romsterrm: cannot remove '/usr/ports/work/nettle-32/pkg/usr/share': No such file or directory13:38
Romster=======> ERROR: Building '/var/ports/packages/nettle-32#2.7.1-4.pkg.tar.gz' failed.13:38
Romsterjaeger, oops may have been my fault.13:38
Romsterhey doomicide13:39
Romstera sort has blown though this evening with updates.13:39
Romsterstupid brain... i'm so gonna take a holliday time off after the boss is back from his.13:40
Romsterlately i just haven't been coping too well13:41
doomicidehey Romster/All13:46
frinnstRomster: --enable-vdpau ?14:25
Romsterwhat now frinnst ?14:29
frinnst14:57 <Romster> frinnst, --enable-vdpau          enable vdpau library [default=auto]14:45
frinnstwhat was that from ?14:45
joacimman. norway is too expensive. a 5 dollar cable is sold for 300 NOK (50 dollars).14:57
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ROKO__crux 3.0 is full multilib image right ?15:16
doomicideThe multilib repo is disabled by default.15:17
ROKO__but have multilib ?15:17
ROKO__so there have 32bit apps like skype shitz ?15:18
joacimskype is in contrib15:18
ROKO__okay thanks and another 32bit apps have yes ?15:19
ROKO__well i'm gentoo user..15:20
doomicideThere are more 32bit programs, but CRUX doesn't have that big of a ports collection.15:20
joacimskype from contrib is proably 32-bit15:20
ROKO__and i know there also we compile from source but there is it available settings like make.conf15:20
ROKO__for optimization ?15:21
doomicideSo if you need anything exotic you may have to write the port yourself.15:21
ROKO__like make opts15:21
doomicidepkgmk.conf allows customization of CFLAGS, but there is no useflages equivalent15:21
ROKO__so cflags makeopts and etc if its available will be cool15:22
ROKO__for small distro like crux15:22
doomicideyes, you can do this. See my pkgmk.conf here:15:24
ROKO__thank you15:25
ROKO__i will test on virtualbox first15:25
ROKO__btw i'm on phenom II 95515:25
doomicidenp, have fun15:25
ROKO__for my phenom and crux15:30
ROKO__may be amdfam10 ?15:30
ROKO__or native ?15:30
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frinnstyou can never go wrong with native (unless you plan to move the install to another cpu)15:40
slashbeastacctualy you can go wrong, firefox with avx will segfault15:41
slashbeastthus you need to either drop any target (including native) with avx or append -mno-avx15:41
frinnstcheck the Pkgfile for firefox :)15:41
frinnstCFLAGS="$CFLAGS -mno-avx"15:42
ROKO__slashbeast: so i havent avx in my phenom II 95515:42
frinnstyeah, and im kawaii too15:43
slashbeastyou need to be tsundre to be kawaii15:43
slashbeastROKO__: your nick seems disturbing familiar.15:43
frinnstok my japanese skills have now run out15:43
ROKO__slashbeast: a ?15:44
slashbeastROKO__: wasn't you a funtoo fag?15:44
ROKO__dont swearing dude15:45
slashbeastthats cute15:45
slashbeastchill out15:45
ROKO__yeah i am on funtoo too, but i'm calculate devel @_@15:45
doomicidewhy do so many *nix users watch anime, I just don't get it15:47
ROKO__doomicide: i'm not watching animes15:47
ROKO__but comedies15:47
doomicideI fear we're the exception, ROKO__15:47
slashbeastbecause anime is our only salvation from the horror of existence.15:47
doomicideI didn't know nix was so depressing :P15:48
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joacimfrinnst is such a baka gaijin15:55
ROKO__hh tty is too slow like slideshow15:58
slashbeastonly if you run framebuffers15:59
slashbeastespecialy the userspace one15:59
jaegeruvesafb used to be fast but doesn't work on current kernels15:59
ROKO__slashbeast: nope , or i'm not sure15:59
slashbeastbut I am sure.15:59
slashbeastrun X with openbox and urxvt16:00
slashbeastfeel teh powerz16:00
ROKO__# uname -a16:02
ROKO__Linux CRUX-3.0.local 3.6.11 #2 SMP PREEMPT Wed Aug 7 15:58:08 UTC 2013 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) II X4 955 Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux16:02
slashbeast3.6.11 wasnt released16:03
slashbeastyour uname is wrong16:03
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ROKO__slashbeast: i dont know this is from crux 3.0 iso16:04
ROKO__default kernel16:04
ROKO__there's no gnome or cinnamon ?16:09
jaegerI used to maintain gnome, got tired of fucking with it16:11
jaegerNo idea if anyone does cinnamon ports, there's mate at crux-mate.googlecode.com16:11
ROKO__is this correct for /etc/pkgmk.conf16:12
ROKO__export MAKEFLAGS="-j4"16:12
joacimhow many cpu cores do you have?16:15
joacimthink the rule is n+1, where n is the number of cores or cpus16:16
slashbeastpa calculate dev asking if -j4 is proper flag for gnu make16:17
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ROKO__joacim: 416:24
ROKO__but in virtualbox i use 316:24
ROKO__slashbeast: nope i asking for variable16:24
Romsterskype is 32bit16:26
Romsterso is wine and some others16:26
Romsteri just watched robots and king fu panda... what's wrong with animation :D16:29
Romsterdoomicide, your case for *) needs fixing in pkgmk.conf16:31
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Romsteryou haven't looked though rejmerge16:31
doomicideBut I did, I just fix 64|"")16:32
doomiciderejmerge says nothing to fix16:32
doomicidewhat's wrong with it?16:33
Romsterbecause you did keep or something.... the whole *) section can go and s/"64"|"")/64)/16:33
doomicidewait, 64) is what I head before. That led to some problems. I resolved that after talking to jue16:34
jaegerrejmerge should have fixed that unless you edited that particular line16:35
Romsteroh right your capturing blank which is jsut bypassing *)16:35
Romsterso you have redundant code that will never get executed now.16:35
doomicidethe current pkgmk.conf looks the same as mine16:36
Romsteri'm sure i've seen roko before too.16:36
Romsterdoes it?16:36
doomicidejaeger, I know I was just to lazy to rejmerge before16:37
doomicideyep, just untarred the source16:37
Romsteryou sure it's the current one?16:38
doomiciderelease 116:38
Romsterthe current one does not even have a *) section in that case unless i edited that all out my end... bah can't be arsed to look it up16:38
jaegerOf course it does16:41
Romsterthe heck... why is it the same as doomicide and mine is different....16:45
Romsterscrew that i like to edit crap myself.16:46
Romsterpointless exit16:46
doomicidehaha, told ya so ]:D16:46
Romstersome days i should just not even go on irc -_-16:47
Romsterbtw it's a hack but i did have per a package cflags cxxflags and ldflags ages ago. but i never bothered to revive it with version 2 of that patch.16:48
RomsterROKO__, if it hasn't got it write it yourself, that's what crux is about. customise it to your needs.16:49
ROKO__Romster: sure16:49
ROKO__thats why i like it16:49
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: glib: updated to 2.36.417:16
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-libpixman: updated to 0.30.217:40
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frinnst looks interesting, anybody using it?19:00
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lennarthey, don't mock the pulseaudio, it's needed for steam20:53
lennartYou don't have to actually _use_ it though20:53
lennarthaving it installed is enough20:53
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slashbeastpulseaudio sucks20:56
slashbeastuserspace sound crap.20:56
frinnst1640 out of about 2699 chunks balanced (1641 considered),  39% left21:28
frinnsthas been running for over 24 hrs21:28
frinnstbalancing a btrfs-fs can be slow :)21:28
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: virtualbox: updated to 4.2.1622:00
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: tint2: fixed battery power_now support (Thanks to Oleksii Tkachuk)22:00
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