| BurnZeZ | Workster: Thanks | 00:09 |
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| frinnst | BurnZeZ are your ports up to date? i think this was fixed with some glibc-32 commit | 07:26 |
| frinnst | oh, sorry. nevermind | 07:26 |
| frinnst | not sdl-32 :) | 07:26 |
| frinnst | =======> Building '/usr/ports/pkg/libsdl#1.2.15-2.pkg.tar.gz' succeeded. | 07:26 |
| frinnst | for what its worth | 07:26 |
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| frinnst | why are hp's 146gig sas drives still so fucking expensive? | 09:00 |
| frinnst | $367.84 | 09:00 |
| frinnst | isane | 09:00 |
| frinnst | insane | 09:00 |
| teK_ | do they relabel ohter drivers, too? We once bought fujitsu sas disks which were, in fact, seagate drives | 09:03 |
| teK_ | frinnst: did you try sdl-2, too? | 09:03 |
| frinnst | yeah they all do. these are usually seagate with hp firmware | 09:03 |
| teK_ | doh :-0 | 09:03 |
| frinnst | sdl-32? no, i dont use it and dont have the deps installed to test | 09:04 |
| frinnst | hm, doesnt fujitsu still make their own drives? | 09:04 |
| teK_ | sdl-2.0.0 | 09:05 |
| teK_ | we were offered this in 2007: | 09:05 |
| teK_ | HD SAS 3Gb/s 146GB 15k hot plug 3.5" 6x 304,00 | 09:05 |
| teK_ | EUR | 09:05 |
| frinnst | hah, how sad | 09:06 |
| frinnst | these are 2.5" 10k | 09:06 |
| frinnst | maybe one can find on ebay or something | 09:07 |
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| frinnst | 3 drives: Current bid: | 09:08 |
| frinnst | US $58.99 | 09:08 |
| teK_ | fucking aurad (web interface for lsi/fsc raid controller) won't work | 09:09 |
| teK_ | The connection was reset | 09:09 |
| teK_ | so I can't tell you which disks are in there but I think we had a mix of fsc and seagate labeled disks | 09:10 |
| frinnst | Our old netapp had a mix of seagate sas and fujitsu fc iirc | 09:13 |
| frinnst | new one has hitachi | 09:13 |
| teK_ | doesn't matter; ssds crush them all together in term of performance | 09:14 |
| mike_k | any idea why some ports were trying to find old libicu-something.so version? gtk being the most painful and I had to rebuild all its deps recursively. | 09:15 |
| frinnst | did you rebuild harfbuzz? | 09:15 |
| mike_k | when in fact only boost depends on icu directly | 09:15 |
| mike_k | I have no that beast | 09:16 |
| mike_k | oops | 09:16 |
| frinnst | the icu/harfbuzz adventure a while back was a big mess | 09:16 |
| frinnst | icu infects everything :) | 09:16 |
| teK_ | a-men | 09:16 |
| mike_k | frinnst: thanks. I've came across harfbuzz while searching, but somehow decided it was not present on my system ( | 09:17 |
| frinnst | pango depends on it (and gtk depends on pango) | 09:19 |
| teK_ | libpng was fun, too | 09:30 |
| frinnst | http://obra.se/crux/brew/libpng/Pkgfile | 09:44 |
| frinnst | enjoy that :D | 09:44 |
| frinnst | (on hold for 3.1) | 09:44 |
| frinnst | breaks everythiiiiing | 09:44 |
| teK_ | hehe | 09:48 |
| teK_ | how old is png? how old is libpng? why a 'major' version change every year (and a half)? | 09:48 |
| frinnst | has been widely used and tested for over 16 years. | 09:49 |
| frinnst | according to wikipedia | 09:49 |
| teK_ | ok then.. wtf | 09:51 |
| frinnst | why the api/abi breaks every once in a while.. dunno, poor design? | 09:56 |
| frinnst | it has its fair share of security issues, so trying to keep up to date with the most maintaaned version | 09:56 |
| frinnst | watching backup to tape progress bars sure is fun! | 09:59 |
| teK_ | tar has a progress bar? With Gentoo's patched -g flag? | 10:09 |
| frinnst | no, veeam backup | 10:10 |
| frinnst | slower than netbackup for some reason | 10:11 |
| frinnst | ~35mb/s | 10:11 |
| teK_ | this vm thingy, right? | 10:24 |
| frinnst | yeah | 10:27 |
| teK_ | does it freeze the VM or does it use some kind of hdd and memory snapshots? | 10:29 |
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| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: subversion: updated to 1.8.1 | 11:14 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: neon: updated to 0.30.0 | 11:14 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: libsdl2: initial import | 11:14 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: subversion-bashcompletion: bumped version number | 11:14 |
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| Romster | and i just finished doing a sysup.... | 11:15 |
| sepen | hi | 11:15 |
| Romster | hi | 11:15 |
| doomicide | hey | 11:15 |
| sepen | hey | 11:15 |
| Romster | hey | 11:15 |
| Romster | :D | 11:15 |
| rauz | hi guys | 11:16 |
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| Romster | why did he quit... | 11:17 |
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| sepen | heeey | 11:20 |
| Romster | there you are. | 11:20 |
| Romster | you crashed or something? | 11:21 |
| sepen | reboot | 11:21 |
| Romster | soemoen had isues buuilding libsdl can you take a look? | 11:22 |
| Romster | i haven't looked yet i had some hardware issues to deal with. and a few hours of fsck | 11:22 |
| sepen | hmmm libsdl 1.2? or new libsdl2? | 11:23 |
| Romster | 1.2 | 11:23 |
| sepen | thanks | 11:24 |
| Romster | libx11 prottype clash in header file for libx11 or something.... | 11:24 |
| Romster | i don't have the log | 11:24 |
| sepen | I added a patch about libx11 in the past | 11:24 |
| Romster | saw it at work | 11:24 |
| Romster | i saw tht | 11:24 |
| Romster | that* | 11:24 |
| sepen | Building succeeded here | 11:24 |
| sepen | hmmm | 11:25 |
| Romster | ok guess it was him then... | 11:25 |
| sepen | wait, I'll change my MAKEFLAGS and try | 11:25 |
| Romster | rebuilding it on my working system. since i use it. | 11:25 |
| Romster | -j20 here | 11:25 |
| sepen | -j4 here | 11:26 |
| Romster | that built ok | 11:26 |
| Romster | guess BurnZeZ has broken something. | 11:26 |
| Romster | what uses sdl2? | 11:26 |
| sepen | http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=ports/opt.git;a=commitdiff;h=2449cb476e3b8ad9dc53b5ce796913b1a626c8d1 | 11:26 |
| sepen | Romster: well, sdl2 is also a library for people who want to write source or migrate existing one | 11:27 |
| sepen | again libsdl built ok here | 11:28 |
| sepen | maybe he has an old copy for the port, no idea | 11:28 |
| Romster | yeah dunno.... | 11:29 |
| Romster | ah added it for convenience i see. | 11:30 |
| Romster | i have yet to make sakura use gtk3 and newer vte too. | 11:31 |
| frinnst | teK_: regular vmware snapshot with guest processing (vss, sql truncating etc) for windows | 11:42 |
| frinnst | you guys dont run vmware, right? | 11:42 |
| teK_ | not in production | 11:42 |
| rauz | libsdl update did work just fine for me too | 11:42 |
| teK_ | I'm still stuck and somewhat undermotivated with migrating win2k server into a VM | 11:43 |
| frinnst | well, if you have esxi installed i'd suggest giving the trial a go | 11:43 |
| frinnst | hah, KILL IT WITH FIRE | 11:43 |
| frinnst | what do you need win2k for? some super-custom-business-critical application? | 11:44 |
| sepen | wasnt it= FIGHT FIGHT WITH FIRE | 11:44 |
| teK_ | it's esxi, yes. Killing it with fire would mean costly migration of the archiving software and jukebox hardware | 11:44 |
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| Romster | wish it was all in linux it would be so much easier to migrate stuff | 11:46 |
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| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: samba: update to 4.0.9 | 12:24 |
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| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: spamprobe: fix build with giglib 5.x, patch provided by Alan | 12:24 |
| cruxbot | [core.git/3.0]: libgmp: use install instead of cp to install gmp.h | 12:25 |
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| teK_ | Romster: yes indeed but then you cannot sell products for migrating installations (os/software) :) | 13:07 |
| Romster | yep | 13:08 |
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| jaeger | I love vSphere/ESXi, we use it for most of our infrastructure here | 13:26 |
| jaeger | haven't used veeam, though | 13:26 |
| jaeger | frinnst: one of my coworkers and I will be at VMworld next week, should be interesting | 13:28 |
| teK_ | still sceptical. :> | 13:33 |
| jaeger | of? | 13:36 |
| teK_ | vmware | 13:36 |
| jaeger | Why? | 13:36 |
| rauz | we are useing m$ hyper V for windows virt. and kvm for our linux stuff | 13:37 |
| teK_ | because it's more code thrown on the same problem and more code means more bugs.. and yes there are mitigations in place -> scepticism | 13:38 |
| frinnst | jaeger: ooooh, jealous | 13:39 |
| teK_ | And I am very well aware of the advantages and the increased flexibility that comes with virtualised environments .. you trade that for more code and complexity :) | 13:39 |
| jaeger | teK_: I'm not sure what you mean... was just curious, though | 13:39 |
| jaeger | The code side of things is invisible to us | 13:39 |
| frinnst | unfortunately you cant handle a very diverse infrastructure with kvm regardless of frontend imo | 13:40 |
| frinnst | well, maybe if you have more time than money :) | 13:40 |
| jaeger | I've used kvm very little and hyper-v not at all so I can't really compare them all that way | 13:40 |
| jaeger | s/way/well/ | 13:40 |
| jaeger | I love virtualization, though | 13:40 |
| frinnst | hyperv has its uses. We run a replica solution for a customer over wan, veeery slick | 13:41 |
| rauz | i have to say the hyperV stuff works very well for the M$ stuff (servers desktop virt.) | 13:41 |
| tilman | teK_: yeah, better only run apps that are made of <= 10k loc | 13:41 |
| tilman | ;> | 13:41 |
| rauz | the download url in the pkg file for lvm2 does not work | 13:43 |
| teK_ | tilman: yeah .. :P | 13:43 |
| teK_ | frinnst: what's the matter with kvm? | 13:44 |
| jaeger | teK_: regarding that win2k server, any way you can p2v it with kvm instead of having to rebuild? | 13:45 |
| jaeger | http://libguestfs.org/virt-v2v/ <-- for example | 13:45 |
| jaeger | er, that's the wrong link, meant to link virt-p2v | 13:46 |
| jaeger | anyway, that's the idea | 13:46 |
| teK_ | I'd prefer vmware in this environment tbh, because it's not certain how long I will be available for servicing this company/kvm. Our hardware supplier has inhouse knowledge of vmware so this would be the better choice in this case | 13:46 |
| jaeger | Oh, I guess they're on the same page | 13:46 |
| jaeger | ah | 13:46 |
| teK_ | sweet... :) | 13:46 |
| teK_ | I had success with vmwares p2v product with a win2k machine | 13:47 |
| teK_ | vmware's | 13:47 |
| teK_ | and it's not that I think that virtualisation 'd be braindead.. I maintan qemu for a reason | 13:47 |
| jaeger | I had to use vmware's converter a few months back to rescue a server 2003 machine, it was a mess | 13:49 |
| teK_ | yeah :\ | 13:49 |
| jaeger | ibm desktop machine with 2 IDE hard drives in some weird software RAID1 setup I didn't even know server 2k3 could do | 13:49 |
| jaeger | one drive had failed a long time ago, the other was clicking and in the process of dying | 13:49 |
| teK_ | I did not manage to get an uptodate version of this tool even though I "accquired" stuff from some shady .to sites :P | 13:49 |
| jaeger | took us over 30 minutes just to boot it to run the p2v tool | 13:49 |
| teK_ | ok but it was not the p2v's fault? | 13:50 |
| jaeger | It was in a rack in the main hospital, sitting on top of some other machine... no UPS | 13:50 |
| jaeger | no, p2v worked fine, the hardware was dying quickly | 13:50 |
| jaeger | we were lucky we got it that day, we'd probably have lost it otherwise | 13:50 |
| jaeger | hehe | 13:50 |
| jaeger | Nothing that flashy, sadly :) | 13:50 |
| teK_ | imagine | 13:50 |
| teK_ | what's wrong with me :\ | 13:50 |
| teK_ | hehe | 13:51 |
| teK_ | I think we already discussed this but without a real concept for fault tolerance I'd never virtualise our domain controller or the "SAP" server | 13:51 |
| jaeger | Anyone use NFS 4 with an active directory/kerberos integration setup? | 13:51 |
| jaeger | Our only servers that aren't virtualized are exchange now... the windows guy did finally virtualize AD, though it took him 2 years | 13:52 |
| jaeger | er, 3 years | 13:52 |
| teK_ | :D | 13:52 |
| teK_ | he's scared of having to reinstall the exchange stuff | 13:52 |
| jaeger | Well, only things that are vital... I have some data analysis servers that are physical | 13:52 |
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| jaeger | haha, right :P This is a guy who regularly breaks exchange in the middle of business hours | 13:53 |
| jaeger | he's not "afraid", he's a bad sysadmin | 13:53 |
| Romster | lol | 13:53 |
| jaeger | s/afraid/scared/ | 13:53 |
| Romster | yeah shit like that should be done outside of business hours | 13:54 |
| teK_ | hahahaha | 13:54 |
| teK_ | shit like that should be installed outside my company | 13:54 |
| Romster | hehe | 13:54 |
| jaeger | My favorite one was when he tried to add a blacklist type service to exchange | 13:54 |
| jaeger | he put the blacklist service host into a whitelist input | 13:55 |
| jaeger | and was surprised when email from every other host stopped | 13:55 |
| Romster | da faq... | 13:55 |
| teK_ | :> | 13:55 |
| jaeger | Then swore up and down he hadn't changed anything when I found the problem | 13:55 |
| teK_ | that's the thing you get to hear from ordinary users.. SHAME on him | 13:56 |
| teK_ | you should have asked what he changed before he did not change anything | 13:57 |
| jaeger | heh | 13:57 |
| jaeger | If our users didn't rely so heavily on outlook calendaring I'd have replaced exchange with postfix and dovecot or something | 13:57 |
| teK_ | same here | 13:58 |
| teK_ | so it's exchange for calendars and sendmail for internal mail :P | 13:58 |
| teK_ | brrrr | 13:58 |
| jaeger | exchange is also a bad IMAP server sometimes... this morning, for example, it told me I had 19 new messages in my cron folder, so I thought something was throwing errors... it was really only 4 messages but it didn't tell me that until I opened the folder | 13:59 |
| teK_ | smart caching !!1 | 14:00 |
| teK_ | I think that MS got sloppy in their only strong domain which is, to me, UI/usability in terms of joe average user.. best example is Windows 8 | 14:06 |
| frinnst | oh my... | 14:06 |
| teK_ | JOE AVERAGE | 14:06 |
| frinnst | jaeger do you use pwqgen for passwords? just a heads up, it can generate some non-sfw passwords :) | 14:07 |
| teK_ | example? | 14:08 |
| jaeger | I use pwgen | 14:08 |
| Romster | non-sfw passwords ftw | 14:09 |
| Romster | titsarseman :D | 14:09 |
| frinnst | i cant share it, im using it in production! :D | 14:09 |
| Romster | oh shit better change that password | 14:09 |
| jaeger | teK_: I find windows 8 pretty amusing, honestly. I've got it on my laptop at work and the first thing I do when booting it is start desktop mode | 14:09 |
| frinnst | had to write a disclamer in our docs :) | 14:09 |
| jaeger | teK_: to me that's a failure on MS' part :P | 14:09 |
| Romster | so it generates curse words? | 14:09 |
| teK_ | jaeger: there's a tool for that. It even has a start button! | 14:10 |
| teK_ | s/has/creates/ | 14:10 |
| frinnst | yeah pwqgen generates human-readable passwords | 14:10 |
| frinnst | fredrik@farnsworth:~$ pwqgen | 14:10 |
| frinnst | cheese8Grunt*eater | 14:10 |
| teK_ | and yes: failure on MS' side | 14:10 |
| teK_ | ass8licker*cunt :D | 14:11 |
| frinnst | teK_: CLOSE! :D | 14:11 |
| teK_ | lol | 14:11 |
| jaeger | teK_: I don't really see a need for a tool since it's one click away... but my point was that if I immediately hide their new interface they've not succeeded in making it better :) | 14:11 |
| teK_ | yes, it sucks :p | 14:11 |
| teK_ | as simple as that | 14:12 |
| frinnst | islam+nepal6Worse <- hmmm :) | 14:12 |
| teK_ | hehe | 14:12 |
| drayevarg | i like cheese8grunteater, that's a pretty good nick | 14:13 |
| frinnst | alias pwqgen="ircnickgen" | 14:14 |
| drayevarg | lol, yeah | 14:14 |
| teK_ | I will be at a wedding this weekend.. the band's name/website is drumsdick -_- | 14:14 |
| jaeger | Ironically my coworkers hate the passwords I generate with pwgen | 14:14 |
| teK_ | jaeger: then hash them | 14:14 |
| frinnst | if you remember your passwords you are doing it wrong | 14:15 |
| jaeger | I mostly remember them via muscle memory, I would be hard pressed to actually tell you the characters | 14:15 |
| frinnst | yeah same here (the few i do remember) | 14:15 |
| frinnst | but i have maybe musclememory capacity to store 5 passwords, tops | 14:16 |
| jaeger | hehe | 14:16 |
| jaeger | get more muscle RAM! | 14:16 |
| frinnst | what does muscle swap look like? D; | 14:16 |
| jaeger | sounds messy | 14:16 |
| frinnst | yes, gore | 14:17 |
| frinnst | +y | 14:17 |
| teK_ | ok guys.. seriously | 14:17 |
| jaeger | Sorry, it's not serious day. | 14:19 |
| teK_ | oh ok, go on | 14:19 |
| jaeger | :D | 14:19 |
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| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.0]: pip: update to 1.4.1 | 15:09 |
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| guzzano | Hi, prt-get still does not remove orphaned dependencies? | 15:14 |
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| sepen | guzzano: do you mean something like apt-get autoremove? | 16:05 |
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| sepen | I used to run prtorphan | 16:06 |
| sepen | si | 16:09 |
| sepen | como que soy de valencia ;D | 16:09 |
| sepen | guzzano: if you have a patch then you can file a ticket and attach your patch, see http://crux.nu/bugs | 16:10 |
| sepen | guzzano: no hagas cosas en vano, consulta con la gente en la ML o pon el ticket en flyspray | 16:11 |
| sepen | guzzano: please, use english here | 16:13 |
| sepen | it would be better to talk in spanish on private chat | 16:14 |
| guzzano | Oh, sorry, is that my english es very bad... | 16:14 |
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| tilman | frinnst: new firefox :D | 16:33 |
| tilman | frinnst: nvm ._o | 16:34 |
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| nrxtx | hi | 18:46 |
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