IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2014-02-26

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JackLFrostNo default xorg config huh00:06
JackLFrostThat's a very low blow00:06
teK_wtf00:06
JackLFrostWell.00:09
JackLFrost/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d is empty00:09
JackLFrostAnd X fails to detect anything00:10
joacim10-keyboard.conf  10-nouveau.conf00:20
joacimmy only two config files for xorg00:20
joacimgot no xorg.conf00:20
JackLFrostI have no configs whatsoever00:21
JackLFrostAnd without any configs: no screens found00:22
JackLFrostScreens found, but none have useable configuration00:22
JackLFrostxorg-xf86-video-intel is installed00:22
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joacimwhich card, which drivers do you use, did you remember to run gl-select?00:25
joacimyou might need to make a .conf-file in xorg.conf.d for your card too00:26
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: spidermonkey: Added missing dependency01:08
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Romstertimcowchip sudo /usr/sbin/useradd -a G cdrom timcowchip01:45
Romster$ groups01:46
Romsteraudio video scanner cdrom ...01:46
RomsterJackLFrost> Last time I checked, people didn't list them with the attention they deserve <- i tend to check and report such issues01:48
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timcowchipRomster: id timcowchip02:24
timcowchipuid=100(timcowchip) gid=17(video) groups=17(video),6(disk),7(lp),10(wheel),16(audio),20(scanner),21(cdrom),100(users)02:24
timcowchipthx:)02:25
jaegerhe never reads the backlog, heh02:26
timcowchipoh ok then02:27
timcowchipyeah he would have seen that already02:28
timcowchiphttp://crux.ster.so/ports/timcowchip/02:35
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timcowchipweechat rules03:16
JackLFrostOh well, I'm back on my arch for now. No time to dig further.03:16
JackLFrostI suspect the problem is my partial package update.03:17
JackLFrostBut updating CRUX from the base image takes some time, and I don't have it.03:17
jaegerI periodically build updated ISOs and upload them to http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/crux/files/updated-crux-iso/ for what that's worth03:20
jaegersometimes they have new features which break things but even if the ISO doesn't boot the packages can be installed03:20
rmullAnyone who knows anything about security thing that this SSL replacement idea holds any water? http://rmull.com/net-prop.html03:21
jaegerI'm no security expert but I'd guess the problem is more about adoption than your implementation... it looks ok to me at a glance03:22
rmullIt seems too obvious03:26
rmullSo I feel like I'm missing something03:26
rmullAdoption doesn't even seem like that big of a deal03:27
rmullbrowsers/dns/websites should be able to support it if they want and only if they want03:27
jaegertry implementing it, see how it works?03:29
rmullokay!03:30
timcowchipJackLFrost: I'm using one of jaeger's *iso's and its bitchin'03:31
JackLFrostGood. I'll try a newer iso next time03:47
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renovaatiotrying to install jre, I get this:04:03
renovaatiohttp://pastie.org/878470304:03
jaegerthat is intentional because you have to agree to oracle's license agreement and download jre manually04:04
renovaatiooh04:05
jaegeronce you do you can put it into $PKGMK_SOURCE_DIR and build the package04:05
renovaatiothen I should use icedtea ?04:05
jaegerif you prefer it to oracle java, that's up to you04:05
jaegercheck "prt-get readme jre"04:05
renovaatioyeah... I should start using readmes04:05
renovaatioso far, crux is highly superior to any other distros04:07
renovaatioto my taste anyway04:07
renovaatiothank you jaeger04:09
renovaatioi must also add that the community, so far, is impressively friendly and helpfull04:09
renovaatiohaven't seen you douches yet04:09
renovaationot like Arch...04:10
jaegerglad you like it, heh. It does take some work but that's part of the fun in my opinion04:10
renovaatioyup04:11
renovaatiowell04:11
renovaationot that much work, once you have the base04:11
renovaatioand if you like it minimalis04:12
renovaatioi run with dwm, dmenu and urxvt04:12
renovaationot much hassle to be here..04:12
jaegerwell, I meant crux more than the IRC channel04:14
renovaatio?04:15
renovaatioah yeah04:15
renovaatioi meant, there is not much hassle setting up a box with those small apps04:15
renovaatiowhere should I say that the libreoffice package, when installed with "prt-get depinst" fails to grab cups and jre as dependencies?04:22
jaegeremail the maintainer listed in the Pkgfile - or if he's paying attention here, maybe he'll see that. :)04:24
renovaatioalright!04:31
jaegernote that packager and maintainer aren't always the same04:32
renovaatiodone04:35
JackLFrostI've managed to make my arch pretty minimal, heh.04:35
renovaatioit's not minimal if it has systemd04:37
renovaatiosystemd is evil04:37
JackLFrostWho said it has systemd? :304:37
renovaatiodhow did you do ?04:38
JackLFrostrenovaatio, https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?SeB=m&K=fr0stb1te04:39
JackLFrostAnd https://github.com/fbt/watchman-services04:39
JackLFrostThose are my own scripts04:39
renovaationoice04:39
JackLFrostAlso my running work system: https://zfh.so/hell/0592998b7769de376dbb360790a7c583846a5742.png04:39
renovaationow thats what I call minimal04:40
renovaatiomine's not too bad !04:41
renovaatiohttp://pastie.org/878478204:41
JackLFrostI absolutely hate the idea of a huge jack-of-all-trades thing in my PID 1. So my PID 1 is dumb: https://github.com/fbt/spark04:41
JackLFrostWell. My PID 1 is technically bash.04:42
renovaatioif you manage to put the arch repos in there, you might have a market there pal04:42
renovaatiowell if youre into maintaining a distro that is...04:42
JackLFrostOne of the ways I might go is forking Arch, yes.04:43
renovaatioi MIGHT be one of your users04:43
JackLFrostThat's not going to happen any time soon anyway.04:43
renovaatioI'm not sure Jud Vinet would be impressed with the state of arch lately04:44
JackLFrostAnd another idea is not to fork Arch, but to mantain a small repo04:45
renovaatioyeah04:45
renovaatiobase install does not have systemd amirite?04:46
JackLFrostArch's base does.04:46
renovaatiomeh04:46
renovaatioso they actually really abandones the bsd style scripts04:46
JackLFrostBut still, if I mantain a small repo that has a package that conflicts with systemd, you could install base and then take systemd out by installing my packages on top04:47
JackLFrostSo it's not a big deal that it's in base04:47
renovaatioimo crux is still beter04:48
renovaatioi just wish there were some precompiled packages repos04:48
JackLFrostYay my aur/abs/pacman wrapper now gets package-query and installs it if it's not found04:58
JackLFrostSelf-installing dependencies :305:00
alanciorenovaatio: I have updated some ports in KDE05:10
alancioand the README too, please take a look05:10
alancioit should be a smooth build now05:11
nwegood morning05:49
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timcowchipDPY=008:19
timcowchipXPID=2406608:19
timcowchipXDMPID=2406408:19
timcowchipSession start up script08:19
timcowchip  UID   PID  PPID  SESS CMD08:19
timcowchip  100 24072 24064 24064 /usr/bin/openbox --startup /usr/lib/openbox/openbox-auto08:19
timcowchip/usr/lib/fbpanel/xlogout: line 48: kill: (-24072) - No such process08:19
timcowchipwhen I try to logout with fbpanel08:19
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frinnstnot a very useful error report..08:50
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timcowchipfrinnst: what would be useful?09:08
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timcowchipon other linux /fbpanel/xlogout is located in /usr/libexec not /usr/lib09:25
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frinnstso the script needs patching?09:59
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penguinfanah the irclogger is back10:25
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Romsteri try to read the backlog.10:42
teK_go slap yourself :}10:43
Romsterrenovaatio unless you count me on a rant :P10:43
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penguinfanalancio: are ther any feature changes in your KDE ports? Or just dependencies resolved? just wondering if I should rebuild it or not..13:22
alanciojust dependencies, except for kde-workspace that has an init script13:24
alancioif the version and release of the Pkgfile are the same, there is no need to rebuild13:24
penguinfancool13:25
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frinnsthttps://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/02/msg00462.html13:33
frinnstlol, the debian-devel list this month is extremely entertaining13:33
teK_:D13:43
bitwizeOh, that guy came to various channels as #Fvck_SystemD.13:44
bitwizeer, Fvck_SystemD13:44
bitwizebleh, not thinking before typing this morning13:44
bitwizeA conspiracy theorist might suggest that he is a sockpuppet of some systemd supporter trying to make the other side look bad. But Chris-Chan and ParkourDude91 are really the way they are too.13:45
frinnststupid trolls, still its fun to read sometimes :)13:46
bitwizeIt is that :)13:49
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: rp-pppoe: fix configure's kernel mode detection16:03
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teK_frinnst: why did you slap me, I am not maintaining fbpanel?16:41
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renovaatiohi, any documentation on how to be able to mount usb drives (ntfs)18:05
teK_use ntfs-3g18:05
teK_this requires FUSE support in your kernel18:06
renovaatiook18:06
teK_you were asking for write support, weren't you?18:07
teK_The kernel has native ro-support18:07
renovaatioyes18:07
renovaatioit has write support now18:07
teK_oh ok18:07
jaegerntfs-3g is always the right choiec18:07
renovaatiobut it fails when I try to mount with the kernel module18:07
jaegerchoice18:07
jaegerthe kernel module is far behind18:07
jaegerinstall ntfs-3g and you can do something like 'mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/whatever /mnt/wherever'18:08
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renovaatiobash-4.2# mount.ntfs-3g /dev/sdb1 /mnt/118:12
renovaationtfs-3g-mount: fuse device is missing, try 'modprobe fuse' as root18:12
renovaatioI have installed fuse as root, and loaded the module18:12
renovaatiois the fuse package superior to the kernel module?18:12
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jaegerfuse is a separate beast that facilitates other things but it's required for ntfs-3g, which is far superior to the kernel's NTFS module18:27
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timcowchipit turns out it doesn't matter where /fbpanel/xlogout is installed /usr/lib or /usr/libexec18:51
timcowchipwhat fixes the issue is editing /usr/lib/fbpanel/xlogout line #4818:52
timcowchipfrom "kill -SIGTERM -$SPID" to "kill -SIGTERM $SPID"18:53
timcowchipjust remove the "-" before "$SPID"18:53
teK_afaics romster maintains fbpanel, not me ;)18:56
timcowchipI know18:56
timcowchipI was leaving this info for Romster18:57
teK_and I got slapped!18:58
timcowchiphow did you get slapped?18:58
teK_verbally :-)18:58
timcowchipby frinnst?18:58
teK_yeah18:59
timcowchiphe slapped me for posting a non-useful error message18:59
timcowchipwho's that guy think he is anyway?19:00
teK_good question19:00
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timcowch1got to go to the dentist, bbl19:41
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frinnsthttp://imgur.com/F5Z4EiE20:21
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RomsterteK_> this requires FUSE support in your kernel <- does not use fuse anymore21:53
teK_oui? didnt know21:53
teK_what else21:53
Romsteror last i read the changelog they said that21:53
Romsterand all i do is mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/win and it works21:54
teK_how is mount/the kernel supposed to know about it? is there a mount.*ntfs* binary?21:55
Romstertimcowchip i'll look at that after work21:55
teK_there's sbin/mount.ntfs-3g..hm21:55
Romsterit's a symlink to ntfs-3g21:56
Romstermount uses it21:56
teK_but it has to detect the type of the partition first hand21:56
teK_right?21:56
Romsterive never used -t in a while except for some optical formats21:56
Romsteryeah some how mount does that21:57
Romsterbbl at work21:57
JackLFrostThey need to be physically restrained or beaten21:58
JackLFrostuntill they come to a different conclusion21:58
JackLFrostor enter a state where they are no longer21:58
JackLFrostcapable of coming to any conclusions.21:58
JackLFrostI lol'd21:58
JackLFrostI lol'd so hard I've scared my cat21:58
jaegerteK_: mount tries to use libblkid or /proc/filesystems to guess21:59
teK_yeah but /proc wont help as the kernel probably does not know about ntfs_-3g_22:00
teK_so this should be in libblkid22:00
teK_btw: staedily making progress with the installation ;)22:00
teK_*steadily22:01
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timcowchipran into this guy at rite-aid on my trip back from the dentist22:47
timcowchiphttp://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Karl/Winner22:47
timcowchipthe man who introduced me to unix22:48
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timcowchipqnx actually22:53
timcowchipwas thinking of adding qupzilla and qtractor to my repo22:56
timcowchipboth ports already exist but are very outdated22:57
timcowchipgithub won't let me delete my repo or even my account22:58
timcowchipthat site has really gone to hell22:58
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JackLFrosttimcowchip, hmm? I've deleted a repo recently23:14
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timcowchiprealy how recently?23:18
timcowchip*really23:18
JackLFrostA week or so23:19
timcowchiphttps://github.com/timcowchip/timcow-Crux-ports/settings#delete_repo_confirm23:19
JackLFrostIf there is a problem with deleting a repo, you sould report it23:20
timcowchipI did23:20
JackLFrostGood.23:20
timcowchipand I told them to delect my acount23:20
timcowchip$account23:21
JackLFrostI've just tested it: I can remove a repo23:21
timcowchipdamn double constonants23:22
timcowchipwell aren't you the clever one23:22
timcowchipSomething went wrong with that request. Please try again.23:23
JackLFrostWhet I mean is it's not a global issue, it seems23:23
timcowchipis what I get23:23
JackLFrostWhat*23:23
timcowchipthey still suck23:23
timcowchipportsdb can't remotely link to github and that's global23:24
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timcowchiphttp://pastebin.com/jbpSyvx223:40
timcowchipgithub's response23:41
timcowchipthis is what I already tried before contacting them and telling them to do it for me23:41
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