IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2014-03-09

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Sleepy_Coder'/win 1104:10
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: hpcups: update to 3.14.310:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: stunnel: update to 5.0010:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: mpg123: update to 1.19.010:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: msmtp: update to 1.4.3210:11
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: sylpheed: update to 3.3.110:11
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: claws-mail: update to 3.9.311:14
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xveehey guys19:59
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nlightnfotisHello. Do you know what is a common reason grub or lilo won't boot after installing crux 3?20:10
renovaationlightnfotis: can you be more precise about the "won't boot part" ?20:11
frinnstuhm, you dont get a prompt? or does your bootloader fail to boot a kernel?20:11
frinnstthe most common reason is user error ;)20:11
renovaatiofrinnst: can't be more right20:11
nlightnfotislet me clarify "won't boot": QEMU (which is what I'm installing on) get's stuck on Booting from Hard disk. Virtual Box reports pretty much the same20:11
renovaatioit's always (90% of the time) the user's fault20:11
frinnstso, the bootloader wont load?20:11
nlightnfotismind you, the boot partition is bootable20:12
frinnstdid you actually install the bootloader?20:12
nlightnfotisI have tried both lilo and grub20:12
renovaatioand is it pointed to the right partition?20:12
frinnstwith lilo you need to run "lilo" after setting up the config20:12
frinnstcrux will not "magically install" it for you20:12
nlightnfotisgrub installed on the correct partition with `grub-install --force` because it protests about embedding on ext220:13
nlightnfotisyes, when I install with lilo, I edit the `/etc/lilo.conf` and then run lilo20:13
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frinnsti dont use grub2 myself, but i do have lilo on a few systems20:13
nlightnfotisgrub configuration produced with `grub-mkconfig` correctly finding `/boot/vmlinuz-3.6.11`20:13
frinnstmind sharing your lilo.conf ?20:14
nlightnfotisgive me a sec20:14
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nlightnfotisI didn't install lilo last time I did it, I installed grub, so can you guys wait for about 10 minutes to attempt a reinstallation?20:16
frinnstno problems20:16
frinnstbut you dont need to reinstall, just boot the iso and mount and chroot20:16
nlightnfotisyes, I did it don't worry about it, but I did install grub last time, so my `lilo.conf` has the default setup, and only have a pregenerated `/boot/grub/grub.cfg`20:17
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nlightnfotisbefore I go any further my fdisk setup is as follows: 1 /boot partition, 100MB, bootable flag on20:19
nlightnfotis1 swap partition, 4GB in size (vm started with 2GB)20:19
nlightnfotisand the root partition, about 16GB in size20:19
nlightnfotisfirst one is /dev/sda120:19
nlightnfotissecond one is /dev/sda220:19
nlightnfotisand the root one is at /dev/sda320:19
nlightnfotisbootloader is installed at /dev/sda120:19
nlightnfotisthat's where I want it20:20
frinnsti'd try to install it on mbr instead20:20
nlightnfotisto go that way, I should install, grub for instance, on /dev/sda?20:21
nlightnfotisshould I manually add /proc, /sys etc on `/etc/fstab` like they do on lfs?20:26
nlightnfotisbecause only devpts is there20:26
frinnstiirc, its already in the fstab ? or it might be commented out20:27
renovaatiodoes creating and setting  /etc/locale.conf has any impact in crux ?20:27
frinnstyeah, you dont need to add those to fstab20:27
frinnstnot unless you source it from something that actually gets executed20:28
nlightnfotisfrinnst: it's not already there sadly. Only `devpts` is, will leaving it out create to me any problems? I'm thinking of not adding it now, and revisiting it if they create problems later, assuming I can boot the system20:28
nlightnfotisahh ok20:28
frinnstI usually add locale stuff in /etc/profile on my systems20:28
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renovaatiofrinnst: on20:30
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renovaatiofrinnst: something like this ? export LANG=en_CA.UTF-820:30
renovaatioin /etc/profile20:30
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frinnstfuuuuck netflix' "are you still watching" crap20:31
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nlightnfotisfrinnst: I love you (no homo)! Installing grub on /dev/sda did the trick :) Thanks man20:33
nlightnfotisAnd now, for something completely different20:34
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renovaatiogod fucking damnit20:34
renovaatiowhy are all my locale variables set to POSIX when I have added "export LANG=en_CA.UTF-820:35
renovaatioto /etc/profile20:35
nlightnfotisHow does one go about updating glibc? I know that glibc compiles against the current kernel headers. So everytime you need to do it, you have to get from your kernel sources the headers, then recompile glibc. Then do you have to recompile everything that depends on glibc, or you just `make install` and are good to go? I would bet on the second since the C ABI is stable.20:35
jaegerrenovaatio: check the "invocation" section of the bash man page. you might have to source profile directly for non-login interactive shells20:35
jaegernlightnfotis: the glibc port contains its own kernel headers, you don't have to use your own20:36
nlightnfotisjaeger: if I download and install a new kernel, isn't it better if I recompile glibc against the new kernel's headers too?20:36
nlightnfotisI know I don't have too, but I'm missing if I don't do it on something I guess20:37
jaegerBetter in what way? I don't think it'll get you much except a lot of time spent, honestly20:37
nlightnfotisI honestly don20:37
nlightnfotist know. I'm assuming linking against newer version kernel headers would allow glibc to take advantage of a newly introduced KERNEL API?20:38
renovaatiojaeger: I guess there is an invocation section in the man page for zsh too right?20:38
jaegernlightnfotis: I suppose it could... so maybe only do it if you know of a very specific feature you need20:42
jaegerrenovaatio: does zsh also use /etc/profile? I don't use it so no idea there20:42
jaegerin bash's case, though, it doesn't source the same files if it's login vs. interactive non-login20:42
joacimrenovaatio: put it in /etc/zsh/zshenv20:48
joacimyou could probably source /etc/profile from /etc/zsh/zshenv too20:48
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