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| timcowchip | openftbtd: all I got outta that was cosby | 00:58 |
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| diverse | ouch, spacefm is on hiatus... | 01:51 |
| nogagplz | mc is where it's at anyway | 02:22 |
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| diverse | midnight commander huh? | 02:32 |
| diverse | nogagplz: can't complain, since it uses ncurses | 02:37 |
| Romster | the new firefox layout in 29... | 02:38 |
| nogagplz | used to use norton commander in windows ages ago too lol, ah memories | 02:38 |
| Romster | same and midnight commander in dos | 02:38 |
| diverse | "Native support for UTF-8 ... as of 4.7.0" not bad | 02:40 |
| Romster | welp i was going to install spacefm... | 02:41 |
| Romster | at some point | 02:41 |
| nogagplz | guess you'll just have to copy explorer.exe from your windows 7 instead and run it in wine | 02:41 |
| Romster | -_- | 02:41 |
| nogagplz | or dosshell | 02:42 |
| diverse | mc might make a good recovery file manager when I can't use X | 02:42 |
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| Romster | timcowchip, http://crux.nu/Wiki/HowToSpeedUpBuildingPackages http://crux.nu/Wiki/Distcc | 02:48 |
| Romster | i probably should make a seperate ccache guide too. | 02:50 |
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| timcowchip | Romster: I used ccache before, at your suggestion, and it did help on rebuilds | 02:54 |
| Romster | so are you using it now? it would be slower on the first rebuild though. | 02:54 |
| Romster | but after that even on updates it'll be an improvement. | 02:55 |
| timcowchip | horrorStruck gave me a good tip as well https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Quality_Assurance/As-needed#What_is_--as-needed.3F | 02:55 |
| Romster | i stuck my ccache partiton on a SSD I twas on a 2 disk raid0 before. | 02:55 |
| timcowchip | actually I'm not using ccache yet | 02:55 |
| Romster | would save time on revdep cases. | 02:56 |
| timcowchip | yes | 02:56 |
| Romster | i've been checking ports and the majority take advantage of it. | 02:56 |
| Romster | and i make sure the ports i maintain do respect CC CXX. | 02:56 |
| Romster | CC='cceche gcc' CXX='ccache g++' | 02:57 |
| Romster | i don't use the masked directory method anymore in /usr/lib/ccache in PATH | 02:57 |
| timcowchip | oh, so the port also needs to use ccache, as well as pkgmk.conf | 02:58 |
| Romster | Your paste can be seen here: https://gist.github.com/11528001 | 03:10 |
| Romster | one of my spidered urls | 03:10 |
| Romster | see the readme in ccache/ | 03:10 |
| Romster | prt-get readme ccache | 03:10 |
| Romster | that also needs an update but back to work time bbl | 03:11 |
| timcowchip | ok thanks | 03:12 |
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| rauz | morning | 06:01 |
| nwe | morning rauz | 06:08 |
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| rauz | what's up in here | 06:18 |
| nwe | it?s okey here trying to fix so I can print out pdf-files with lpr now I got error invalidaccess on the paper instead :/ | 06:21 |
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| rauz | printers are broken by default, i have not used an os where printing worked without trouble | 06:24 |
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| nwe | rauz: yeah thats true.. | 06:33 |
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| timcowchip | bash-4.3# mount -t tmpfs -o size=1.5G,uid=0,defaults /usr/ports/work | 07:01 |
| timcowchip | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on pkgmk, | 07:01 |
| timcowchip | missing codepage or helper program, or other error | 07:01 |
| timcowchip | mount -t tmpfs -o size=1500M,uid=0,defaults /usr/ports/work | 07:03 |
| timcowchip | works | 07:03 |
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| timcowchip | I can't remember what I used snmp for | 07:22 |
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| timcowchip | :) | 07:26 |
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| timcowchip | cmdiag is what I used it for | 07:36 |
| timcowchip | going to have to make port for it for 3.1, I guess | 07:37 |
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| timcowchip | duh net-snmp | 07:45 |
| timcowchip | that's what its called | 07:45 |
| timcowchip | uh-oh /usr/sbin/snmpd: error while loading shared libraries: libperl.so: | 07:47 |
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| nwe | does someone have ghostscript-fonts package? | 08:29 |
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| nwe | has someone installing helvetica fonts in crux?? | 09:02 |
| nwe | and has a package for it ? | 09:02 |
| alancio | I think xorg-font-adobe-75dpi contains that font | 09:05 |
| nwe | ah okey, must I update the fonts cache or something after I have installed that package? | 09:07 |
| nwe | I think helvB0XX means helvetica... | 09:09 |
| alancio | I think running the post-install script should do it | 09:09 |
| nwe | ah why I wondering is because I got this when I trying open pdf-files with xpdf Warning: Cannot convert string "-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal--12-*-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1" to type FontStruct | 09:10 |
| teK__ | anybode else failing to compile libsdl-32 without pulseaudio installed? | 09:11 |
| teK__ | *body | 09:11 |
| alancio | that doesn't mean the font isn't installed | 09:12 |
| alancio | run fc-list or xfontsel | 09:12 |
| alancio | it will show you what you have | 09:12 |
| alancio | you can run: fc-list helvetica | 09:13 |
| alancio | teK__: I have a pulseaudio-32 port, in case you are interested | 09:14 |
| teK__ | no, the point is that it is not listed as a dependency | 09:14 |
| teK__ | and I dont want to install it | 09:14 |
| alancio | teK__: the problem is you probably have pulseaudio installed, but not pulseaudio-32 | 09:15 |
| alancio | so it finds the headers, enables it, but then the linkage fails | 09:15 |
| teK__ | in fact I have pulseaudio-32 installed. Uninstalling right now ;P | 09:15 |
| alancio | so you can move the pulseaudio headers temporarily, while you build libsdl-32 | 09:15 |
| alancio | ok, in that case, why don't you show me the build error messages? | 09:16 |
| teK__ | I think steam required it :) | 09:16 |
| alancio | ok, I became interested in pulesaudio when I noticed skype was less crappy with it | 09:17 |
| alancio | now I became hooked to the thing | 09:17 |
| nwe | alancio: which pdfviewer are you using.. when I trying to install xpdf it says that it conflict with poopler.. | 09:17 |
| alancio | I use okular, I love it | 09:18 |
| teK__ | mupdf | 09:19 |
| alancio | nwe: you should file a bug report about the conflict | 09:21 |
| nwe | or it says pkgadd: listed files(s) aready installed, (use -f to ignonre and overwrite) and that files are from poppler.. | 09:24 |
| nwe | okey I will bug report that | 09:24 |
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| nwe | alancio: do you have any idea when I trying to print out pdf-files the text on the paper is invalidformat. | 10:56 |
| alancio | is that with okular? | 10:56 |
| nwe | no it?s a toshiba network printer | 10:57 |
| alancio | I don't know, if I were you I would increase the verbosity in cups config file, and check the logs to find any clue | 10:58 |
| nwe | I try to print /usr/share/cups/data/default-testpage.pdf with lp and thats works fine, but when I downloaded a pdf-files I got random text and invalidformat something | 10:59 |
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| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: [notify] xpdf: remove duplicate pdf* binaries | 12:30 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: xpdf: remove man pages for pdf*, too | 12:33 |
| thetornainbow | hey everyone, i'm having an issue when starting x, i use spectrwm as wm, no errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, however just before X server terminates, i get strange message from spectrwm listing encoding values like ISO-8859-6 ISO8859-7 etc. then "Glyphs from those sets will be replaced b '. Error creating font set structure. connection to X server lost | 13:05 |
| jaeger | sounds like spectrwm exits because of that (which causes the "connection to X server lost" bit) | 13:09 |
| thetornainbow | right, but i'm having trouble understanding why it would have an issue with glyphs? my locale is UTF-8, which in spectrwm looks like was supported in 2012 | 13:11 |
| Romster | teK__, yeah it's picking up on the pulseaudio headers. | 13:13 |
| jaeger | no idea there, sorry. Never used it | 13:14 |
| thetornainbow | jaeger: okay, wasn't sure if i had done something wrong with locale-def or something | 13:15 |
| thetornainbow | perhaps updating glibc might help - just realized i haven't updated any packages in the new install | 13:16 |
| jaeger | Which font packages do you have installed? Have you run "fc-cache -f"? Does another WM work? | 13:17 |
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| thetornainbow | i have only installed console-font-terminus and xorg-terminus-font, have updated font cache and have not tried another window manager. after sysup i'll take a look | 13:18 |
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| nwe | any idea, when I trying to print out pdf file from cli with lp/lpr the output is this http://www.allow.se/~niklas/lp_print_pdf.txt | 13:31 |
| nwe | but when I used epdfview and push print button it works.. | 13:32 |
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| jaeger | is there a filter missing or something like that? Does lp understand PDF? | 13:38 |
| nwe | hmm maybe I need cups-pdf | 13:39 |
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| nwe | jaeger: but If I missing a filter then it shouldnt work from epdfview or...? | 13:56 |
| nwe | jaeger: could it be because of this.. /usr/share/cups/data/default-testpage.pdf: PDF document, version 1.5 (this one works from lp command) but this one I got the error message: 030517470115.pdf: PDF document, version 1.7 | 13:58 |
| jaeger | No idea there | 13:59 |
| nwe | jaeger: its wokring with this pdf-file too 201312311030531151830864.pdf: PDF document, version 1.6 | 14:10 |
| nwe | so I thinks something with version 1.7 | 14:11 |
| jaeger | Or possibly that specific PDF? Do you have another 1.7 one to try? | 14:12 |
| nwe | nope I dont have any another 1.7 | 14:12 |
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| jue | thetornainbow: you haev to define a font in .spectrwm.conf because it cannot find the defaults, try something like 'bar_font = smooth' of a full font spec. | 15:49 |
| jue | s/of/or/ | 15:49 |
| jue | nwe: cups-filters is installed? | 15:50 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: shared-mime-info: updated to 1.3 | 15:56 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: jdk: updated to 1.7.0_55 | 15:56 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: xterm: updated to 304 | 15:56 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: dnspython: initial import | 15:56 |
| cruxbot | [opt.git/3.0]: mailman: updated to 2.1.18 and new dependency added (dnspython) | 15:56 |
| thetornainbow | jue: thanks, i'll check that out. i have terminus-medium defined in .spectrwm.conf, but right now i'm still waiting for sysup to finish...3 hours and counting :) | 16:04 |
| thetornainbow | perhaps i should have put more cpu cores in this VM | 16:05 |
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| BitPuffin | thought I'd mention that after rebuilding everything that depended on libpng I still had issues with it :/ | 16:21 |
| BitPuffin | don't have time to fix it now | 16:21 |
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| teK__ | =======> Building '/usr/ports/packages/mpv#0.3.9-1.pkg.tar.gz'. | 18:06 |
| teK__ | Error: Unable to find development files for zlib. | 18:06 |
| teK__ | wtf? | 18:06 |
| teK__ | this is after the ./old-configure.. | 18:06 |
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| teK__ | broken libgcrypt. Of course! :) | 18:12 |
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| markuman | "Go to /usr/src/linux-3.6.x, configure and compile a new kernel." so the setup don't install a kernel? | 18:43 |
| timcowchip | it installs a kernel but you get to configure it your way | 18:46 |
| timcowchip | instead of a huge kernel with everything enabled | 18:47 |
| markuman | ok | 18:47 |
| timcowchip | pkgmk /usr/ports/work tmpfs size=1500M,uid=100,defaults 0 0 | 18:49 |
| timcowchip | ^^ is this the correct uid, if I'm not using fakeroot? | 18:50 |
| frinnst | no it does not install a kernel, only the source for the kernel | 18:50 |
| frinnst | correct uid for what? | 18:50 |
| timcowchip | I'm trying to use ram for compiling | 18:50 |
| frinnst | if your uid is 100, then yes | 18:50 |
| timcowchip | ok thanks | 18:51 |
| diverse | markuman: it only compiles the kernel, but you have to copy it over to a different file path where your boatloader can read it. Also don't listen to timcowchip. | 18:52 |
| timcowchip | I monitoring both /usr/ports/work and ram usage and they don't seem to jive | 18:52 |
| diverse | *bootloader | 18:53 |
| timcowchip | I had this working about a year ago | 18:53 |
| markuman | diverse: ah ok. thx. that's not so well described in the handbook imho | 18:54 |
| timcowchip | and I could see a lot more ram usage | 18:54 |
| diverse | markuman: perhaps that's an area on the handbook that can be improved. I admit it's not transparent. | 18:55 |
| timcowchip | markuman I printed out section 3.2 of http://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-0 before installing, it helped me | 18:59 |
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| markuman | ok start compiling (virtualbox, lame thinkpad)...this may take some time | 19:02 |
| diverse | markuman: what bootloader do you plan to use? | 19:03 |
| markuman | grub, lilo, syslinux...i don't care. | 19:04 |
| diverse | if grub, read all of 3.2 and then skip to 7.2 | 19:05 |
| markuman | k. thx | 19:05 |
| timcowchip | http://en.zimagez.com/zimage/used.php | 19:19 |
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| timcowchip | 876Mb used in /usr/ports/work only 235Mb used in memory | 19:20 |
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| timcowchip | The used and free memory here are calculated from the kernel reported | 19:23 |
| timcowchip | used and free by subtracting or adding the buffers and cache memory | 19:24 |
| markuman | what the reason for you to use crux? | 19:24 |
| timcowchip | I use it because I can have more control of the packages I install | 19:26 |
| timcowchip | I can edit Pkgfiles to enable or disable features | 19:27 |
| timcowchip | you can do this with ./configure make make install | 19:28 |
| timcowchip | but the packages in crux are managed very intelligently with pkg-utils and prt-get | 19:29 |
| markuman | but you need a more powerfull cpu because most packages have to be compiled by yourself? | 19:30 |
| diverse | I use Crux to take a giant shit on Arch and systemd | 19:30 |
| timcowchip | I use an intel atom d510 so I feel you | 19:30 |
| markuman | diverse: :) | 19:31 |
| timcowchip | did you instal AUR packages? | 19:31 |
| diverse | markuman: yes, having a faster multicore cpu will make your Crux experience much better. However if you have a bunch of machines laying around, you could use distcc | 19:31 |
| markuman | i want to take a look at crux and it's rc.conf feelings | 19:31 |
| markuman | timcowchip: yes | 19:31 |
| timcowchip | they have to be compiled as wel | 19:32 |
| markuman | distcc? what is it? | 19:32 |
| timcowchip | ccache | 19:32 |
| markuman | zram? | 19:32 |
| diverse | markuman: network distributed C and C++ compiler, so you can do more threads like -j20 | 19:32 |
| diverse | Romster has all the details about it | 19:33 |
| markuman | ah ok | 19:33 |
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| joacim | I compiled stuff on my old C2D E6300 | 19:37 |
| joacim | it was ok | 19:37 |
| joacim | dont really mind that compiling firefox takes an hour or more | 19:37 |
| joacim | most doesn't take more than a minute or two | 19:38 |
| markuman | i will try it, but first in virtualbox | 19:41 |
| joacim | http://crux.ster.so/packages/3.0/ | 19:42 |
| diverse | markuman: also Romster provides prebuilt packages for ports that take a while to build | 19:43 |
| diverse | joacim beat me to it | 19:43 |
| joacim | there are also binary packages for certain huge applications | 19:43 |
| openfbtd | >I use Crux to take a giant shit on Arch and systemd | 19:43 |
| openfbtd | That is not a good reason to do anything | 19:43 |
| diverse | openfbtd: the point is to make you laugh, if not, at least chuckle. | 19:46 |
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| diverse | assuming you are not an arch zealot | 19:47 |
| openfbtd | Ah. Ok. | 19:47 |
| openfbtd | Loyalty to a distro also seems silly :D | 19:47 |
| openfbtd | I disagree with the arch mantainers a lot | 19:47 |
| diverse | openfbtd: you might as well say loyalty to a web browser is also silly :P | 19:48 |
| openfbtd | True. | 19:49 |
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| abyxcos | markuman: Bit late to the conversation, but I use Crux because it doesn't shove dumb choices down my throat like other distros are prone to do. | 21:43 |
| abyxcos | markuman: Plus, the package manager is one of the few sane ones left. I was at the point of resurecting the netbsd's pkgsrc-linux port and rolling my own setup before I found Crux. | 21:44 |
| abyxcos | markuman: Overall, it feels a lot like Gentoo, Arch, or any of the BSDs. | 21:45 |
| abyxcos | (Well, before Arch did the whole systemd thing.) | 21:45 |
| openfbtd | The systemd team is trying to take over the linux ecosystem. Arch doesn't really force systemd | 22:20 |
| openfbtd | It's in base, yes, but getting rid of it is not that hard | 22:20 |
| abyxcos | The Arch team is free to tell them to go bugger off. | 22:21 |
| openfbtd | They are also free to adopt it | 22:21 |
| openfbtd | If they feel like it | 22:21 |
| openfbtd | I disagree with that decision, but hey | 22:21 |
| abyxcos | They're a pretty popular distro, they do have the weight to make some critical comments, and get backing. | 22:21 |
| openfbtd | I was surprised it was adopted in a very one-sided way though | 22:22 |
| openfbtd | There was almost no discussion on it | 22:22 |
| openfbtd | The team just decided | 22:22 |
| abyxcos | Wasn't it all off-list? | 22:22 |
| openfbtd | Not that they _have_ to consider the users' opinion. | 22:22 |
| openfbtd | It wasn't advertised that there's even a discussion | 22:22 |
| openfbtd | Not even a post on the site | 22:23 |
| openfbtd | Most people didn't know about it | 22:23 |
| openfbtd | That huge of a decision should either be completely one-sided or very widely discussed. The half-assed approach to only discuss it with the mailing list is weird. | 22:24 |
| abyxcos | Well, most linuxes do their discussion on the mailing lists. | 22:27 |
| openfbtd | Again, not saying they are wrong | 22:28 |
| openfbtd | It's their distro | 22:28 |
| abyxcos | Well, it's weird to expect them to hit up reddit. | 22:28 |
| abyxcos | Although they should probably float that around their forums. | 22:28 |
| openfbtd | Not reddit, but maybe a post on their own site? :D | 22:28 |
| openfbtd | i.e. “Guys, there is a huge decision upon us, come talk about it” | 22:29 |
| openfbtd | Hmm. tar from sbase is interesting | 22:31 |
| abyxcos | I suspect they'll probably start bleeding users over it, like the ubuntu->mint exodus. | 22:32 |
| openfbtd | It's much simpler than bsdtar | 22:33 |
| abyxcos | Link? | 22:33 |
| openfbtd | http://tools.suckless.org/sbase | 22:33 |
| abyxcos | They have a suckbase package? | 22:33 |
| openfbtd | They have their own implementations of coreutils and util-linux | 22:33 |
| openfbtd | which are sbase and ubase | 22:34 |
| openfbtd | afk for a minute | 22:34 |
| abyxcos | What does Crux use? I thought it was gnu coreutils? | 22:36 |
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| openfbtd | abyxcos, it is | 22:41 |
| openfbtd | I'm playing with sbase and ubase | 22:41 |
| abyxcos | How do they compare? | 22:41 |
| openfbtd | Their tools are a lot simpler generally | 22:42 |
| openfbtd | Designed to do their job and nothing else | 22:42 |
| openfbtd | I like it | 22:42 |
| openfbtd | Like tar doesn't have any way to compress the archive | 22:42 |
| openfbtd | Just pipe it to gzip you lazy fuck :D | 22:42 |
| abyxcos | How's it compare to bsdutils and busybox? | 22:42 |
| openfbtd | It's even simpler than busybox | 22:43 |
| abyxcos | I hate gzip. | 22:43 |
| openfbtd | And bsdutils are pretty much the same as gnu coreutils most of the time | 22:43 |
| openfbtd | >The overall SLOC is about 6kSLOC, so this userland is about the same size as GNU ls. | 22:43 |
| openfbtd | sbase :) | 22:43 |
| abyxcos | I read the blurb on the bottom of the site. | 22:44 |
| abyxcos | Also, are you talking about freebsd bsdutils, or net/openbsd bsdutils? | 22:48 |
| openfbtd | freebsd ones | 22:48 |
| openfbtd | Never touched net/openbsd | 22:48 |
| abyxcos | Because both of those are fairly light while preserving some of the conviences like tar lazy flags. | 22:48 |
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| openfbtd | ubase is 3077 lines btw | 22:49 |
| abyxcos | I would argue that isn't the best metric, as gnu coreutils makes an easy target. | 22:51 |
| abyxcos | But if someone writes a tar with a useful --help and man page, I'll gladly switch over. | 22:52 |
| abyxcos | Also, busybox rubs me the wrong way, they provide no way to tell what flags they support without looking at the code, and the code is almost never available in an enviornment that you're actually using busybox on. | 22:54 |
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| abyxcos | My vote would be on using openbsd's bsdutils-portable. | 22:55 |
| abyxcos | But as I recal, that port needs some loving. | 22:56 |
| abyxcos | Xfce repo, and the solarized .Xresource theme, for some reason, xfce doesn't like it, and I get pink terminals on login (probably all the #defines in there.) | 22:59 |
| abyxcos | But if I re-run xrdb ~/.Xresources manually after logging in, then it's perfectly happy. | 22:59 |
| abyxcos | Haven't been able to find anything on google about this. | 23:00 |
| abyxcos | Not sure if it's just a urxvt bug, or a combined xfce+urxvt bug. | 23:00 |
| timcowchip | try using both Xdefaults and Xresources | 23:02 |
| abyxcos | I've swapped them back and forth, no luck. You mean cp ~/.Xresources ~/.Xdefaults, then log in? | 23:02 |
| timcowchip | yes | 23:03 |
| timcowchip | http://superuser.com/questions/243914/xresources-or-xdefaults | 23:08 |
| abyxcos | Now that is just a mess :P | 23:10 |
| timcowchip | so I rebuilt qt4 in 1.5Gb tmpfs /usr/ports/work dir and it filled up then the build failed | 23:32 |
| timcowchip | any suggestions as to how big a tmpfs dir I should use? | 23:33 |
| timcowchip | I ha 2Gb of ram | 23:33 |
| timcowchip | have | 23:33 |
| abyxcos | I want to say it was over 3gb. | 23:35 |
| abyxcos | Not the best candidate for a small tempfs. | 23:36 |
| thetornainbow | if i run across someone's ports that i would like to add, how do i go about doing that exactly? for instance, z3bra has packaged dwb-git, should i just copy his files and make a package of my own? make a directory and clone it? should it go in /usr/ports/ with the rest and point prt-get to it? | 23:41 |
| timcowchip | If you copy the port to /usr/ports you can chdir to the directory and sudo pkgmk -d then sudo pkgmk -i | 23:45 |
| timcowchip | or set a pkgmk user to use fakeroot | 23:45 |
| abyxcos | For one-offs, I tend to just rsync them to /root/src/ports/ | 23:46 |
| timcowchip | http://crux.nu/Wiki/FakerootPorts | 23:47 |
| thetornainbow | timcowchip: thanks for the link, just didn't know if there was a preferred practice for adding ports | 23:48 |
| timcowchip | what abyxcos said | 23:49 |
| timcowchip | I use /usr/ports myself | 23:49 |
| abyxcos | I tend to limit /usr/ports to repos. | 23:50 |
| thetornainbow | yeah i was just going to make a ~/ports/whatever for extra ones i added | 23:52 |
| timcowchip | thetornainbow: which ports were you looking at? | 23:52 |
| timcowchip | or adding | 23:53 |
| thetornainbow | timcowchip: like i said z3bra dwb-git, zathura, bar | 23:53 |
| timcowchip | oh right, sorry | 23:53 |
| timcowchip | dwb-git you need wbkit for that | 23:54 |
| timcowchip | got ?webkit | 23:54 |
| thetornainbow | yep | 23:55 |
| timcowchip | https://portix@bitbucket.org/portix/dwb.git looks like z3bra's own | 23:58 |
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