IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2014-05-13

saptechfor init, same as slackware00:01
saptechI can't think what is is at the moment...lol00:01
saptechI'm trying to get the hang of crux now00:01
saptechmy mageia install is borked00:02
pidsleysysv it looks like00:02
saptecheverytime I do something with swap partition, it changes the UUID and it won't boot00:02
saptechsalix follows slack00:03
saptechxfce is default desktop but they offer others now00:03
pidsleyit won't boot when the swap uuid changes ?00:03
pidsleythat's why i don't use uuids on my test machines ;)00:04
saptechthey have it listed in grub menu.lst. I still use grub100:04
saptechyes, I'm learning now00:04
saptechbut I had mageia & salix installed for a few years without running other distros00:04
pidsleythe debian installer insists on formatting swap every time you install something00:05
saptechsome reason, i ran across crux and got the fever again00:05
pidsleychanges the uuid, breaks fstab on every other install on the machine00:05
pidsleylabels or good old /dev/sdX ;)00:05
saptechwith mageia you have to change fstab & the kernel line in menu.lst00:06
saptechbut this time its not fixing it for me00:06
saptechI'm just going to download mageia and do a fresh install. I had mageia 2 and upgraded to mga 400:06
saptechi went from 2, 3 and 400:07
pidsleyi used grub1 with gentoo for a long time00:08
saptechI'm still using grub 1 now. I added crux to it00:08
pidsleygrub1 works well if you know how to use it. so does grub2; people who whine about grub2 just don't know how to use it00:11
pidsleyin my opinion, at least00:12
saptechI've always stuck with grub1. tried grub2 but couldn't figure how to add another diff00:12
saptechadd different distro00:13
pidsleyyou have to work your way around the files in /etc/grub.d ; i just add new stuff to 40_custom00:13
saptechto me it looks more complicated when grub1 did it with ease00:13
pidsleyit is a little more complicated00:14
saptechso I wonder why they did it that way?00:14
pidsleywho knows ? maybe for some people it is easier00:14
retardjaeger: thank you so much for the updated iso, i love it. do you think a bug report requesting the xts kernel module and cryptsetup being added to the install iso is worthwhile?00:15
pidsleyi don't think the designers of grub2 intended people to have six distros installed on one machine00:15
saptechtitle crux linux = kernel-> root(hd0,0) and include the System file and done00:15
saptechdag I cant remember stuff anymore, getting old00:16
retardi think the designers of grub2 intended people to have six distros and eighteen nested lvm volumes on every one of their computers00:16
pidsleyhave you used syslinux? or lilo ? ;)00:16
saptechyes at 6 distros00:16
pidsleyoh yes, maybe it makes sense with eighteen nested lvm volumes00:17
retardgrub2 is pretty dang insane00:17
saptechI used lilo when i first started using linux00:17
saptechI really liked it and didn't like grub1 when it first came out00:17
pidsleysyslinux is like lilo00:17
retardi like both syslinux and lilo quite a bit00:17
pidsleysuper simple00:17
retardbut the option to compile the kernel directly as a UEFI executable is BRILLIANT00:18
pidsleybit not made for multiple distros on one machine00:18
retardno bootloader. kernel only. final destination.00:18
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j_vretard: have you tried loading a kernel that way yet? I've always had to use a uefi shell to load it but I may have missed something.00:20
saptechthis my first time hearing of syslinux00:20
retardj_v: uefi is some pretty funky stuff, and how close the implementations follow the standard varies by a depressing amount00:21
j_vthat is for sure and for certain. a big reason I now stay away from gigabyte mb's now a days.00:21
retardgigabyte are particularly shit at writing BIOSes00:22
retardor adjusting the parameters or whatever they actually do00:22
saptechpidsley, i'll check it out00:23
retardstill, not as bad as the MSI motherboards i've got laying around that can't even boot with ECC ram despite chipset and cpu support00:23
pidsleysyslinux is in the crux ports, but i've never used it on crux. i use it on Arch00:24
j_vmost of my boards are asus and asrock. I've run into problems from time to time, but generally i can at least find work arounds.00:26
retardmy policy for consumer grade motherboards is asus only now00:26
retardthe MSI boards not handling ECC and the most recent gigabyte board shitting itself when trying to use IOMMU just .. tired me out00:26
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jaegerretard: I believe teK__ is working on cryptsetup for the install ISO00:27
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jaegeragreed on the subject of uefi variation. it's frustrating as hell00:28
jaegerI have asus, msi, and supermicro motherboards here, all work well with uefi. I have a lenovo laptop that does as well. My work stuff, on the other hand, is HP for both laptop and workstation, and those have *terrible* uefi implementations00:29
retardsupermicro and tyan have treated me fairly well00:29
jaegerregarding grub2, you don't even have to use the files in /etc/grub.d if you write the config by hand00:29
jaegerYou can write rather simple grub2 configs when you want to00:30
j_vso far, what works best for me is to stick to the simplest efi bootloader that still offers menu... elilo has been a solid for me.00:30
retardthe whole "DON'T WRITE YOUR OWN GRUB2 CONFIG" is a big part of what finally drove me away from it00:30
jaegerI almost always write my own config. I only use grub-mkconfig sometimes to test that it works properly, since I'm the grub2 maintainer00:31
jaegerI use it for EFI as well00:31
jaegergrub, that is, not grub-mkconfig00:31
retardhave you tried the native kernel EFI image creation?00:32
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jaegeryes. It works but I prefer to have more flexibility00:32
j_vI jumped ship from grub because of the whole mkconfig mess... I didn't realise that manual config writing still worked. boy do i feel stupid.00:32
pidsleyi use grub-mkconfig, then i extract the new stuff and add it to 40_custom00:33
pidsleymanual config does work though00:34
j_vi don't like it probing my disks and adding an entry from every install I've got. If I boot it, I add an entry in my elilo.conf and no worries. but I will go back and look at the docs again to remind myself how to write a grub config. If it hasn't changed too much, shouldn't be to much of a stretch.00:36
jaegerIf you disable or remove os-prober it won't be able to find those other installs00:36
pidsleychmod -x ;)00:37
j_vYep, makes sense. I just didn't research manual config when it changed to all that mkconfig. I got annoyed in short order and skipped to elilo.00:37
jaegerIt's your choice, of course :) Just giving info00:39
retardi definitely see your point about flexibility, jaeger00:39
j_vThanks , I appreciate the info. I'm just annoyed with myself for not bothering to reread the docs before when dropped grub a few years ago.00:40
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j_vis there any 3.1(pre) iso00:41
retardfrom what i recall the docs make writing your own config seem very scary00:41
jaegerj_v: there's an rc1 ISO, yes00:42
j_vthanks. gonna load that in a qemu vm.00:43
retardright now i'm trying out better-initramfs00:50
retardi think it's probably the most decent thing i've used for setting up pre-boot encryption that lets you enter the key through ssh00:51
retardhaving that is letting me reduce the complexity in a lot of the setups i deal with by A LOT00:55
retardahhh, i was able to build xts.ko, gf128mul.ko and cryptsetup.static and scp it into a running instance of jaegers updated live cd :)01:01
retardworking on real hardware without any form of remote kvm or similar has started being scary, screw up booting and i'll have to put on *pants* to fix it01:02
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j_vwow, a minimal system is really easy to install with crux... nice, I like that. I've done a few full installs before, but I should've taken the time to explore some more. I like.01:05
retardminimalism and an irrational knee-jerk-based hatred of systemd has driven me to crux01:09
retardin some ways i am indebted to poettering01:09
j_vlp, ks, and the pro systemd devs w/ debian drove me back to slack... looks like I will be spending plenty of time getting to know crux better.01:12
pidsley@jaeger : it appears that what is failing is gcc 4.7.3-1. here is the last bit of the build:
pidsleyI can't find 'config.log'01:15
retardj_v: what/who is ks?01:16
jaegerkay sievers?01:17
j_vkey seivers01:17
retardah, right01:17
jaegerpidsley: what does your pkgmk.conf look like?01:17
jaegerpidsley: also if you want to look at config.log pass "-kw" to pkgmk so that it doesn't delete its work directory after the build01:17
retardback when systemd was becoming a thing i wrote a list on my whiteboard at work of all the projects and components i knew about that it would replace or supplant01:18
retardi ran out of space01:18
retardit's a big whiteboard01:18
jaegerpidsley: in this case the config.log is probably very helpful, since the stderr message isn't great01:20
pidsleywhere would i find config.log? locate can't find it01:20
jaegeryou'll have to run pkgmk again with "-kw" (for "keep work")01:21
j_vretard: I'm playing around with a project to use runit in place of sysvinit on lfs. I'm not convinced yet, but it's looking doable, adds service management and doesn't replace every thing that is within 60 feet of the kitchen sink01:21
jaegerthen it will be in $PKGMK_WORK_DIR01:21
pidsleyah. that's why you wanted to see pkgmk.conf01:21
jaegerI wanted to see your CFLAGS/MAKEFLAGS, actually01:22
retardrunit seems like a fine init01:23
retardand not a virtualization platform01:23
j_vI'm still learning it, but I like it so far and relatively straight forward.01:24
retardthe sad truth is that my career means i will have to grok systemd eventually01:24
retardbut i'm sure as hell not running it anywhere i can actually help it01:24
pidsleyi did not modify it from the default01:25
jaegerok, then you definitely need to check config.log :/01:26
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j_vdon't blame you. i don't go around preaching against systemd, but I hate it, even more after trying to trace crap throught the muck they call source code.01:26
pidsleyso how do i set the -kw flag for prt-get sysup ?01:26
jaegerpidsley: I'd suggest just running "pkgmk -kw" in the gcc port dir but if you want to do it for all of them in the sysup use --margs="-kw"01:27
pidsleyOK, I'm running pkgmk -kw in the gcc port dir. it will take a while. thank you.01:29
pidsleyI'll show you the config.log tomorrow. ;)01:30
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jaegerok, sounds good01:32
saptechwhat do you all use to burn cd/dvd discs? cli tools?01:47
j_vi use xorisso01:48
jaegermost of the time that's what I do. very rare that I need to burn anything these days, though01:48
j_voops... xorriso01:48
saptechok, I never heard of it01:48
j_vlibburn, libisofs, libisoburn... libburnia project01:49
saptechis it in the ports01:49
j_vsorry, no. I'm coming from slack. that is what i've used for a few years now01:51
j_vi see cdrkit and dvd+rw-tools in opt port01:54
j_vi will probably create a pkg for libburn, but not tonight alas... i'm running out of up time.01:55
j_vdamn, I almost did a 'make mrproper' on the current .config in the kernel source for the install.02:00
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j_vjaeger: thanks again for pointing me to the 3.1-rc1 iso. it's running nice and smooth in qemu/kvm. very impressed. i didn't think i'd switch from slack, but i just might.03:05
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Romsterglibc-32 failing to build will be a missing kernel option CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION03:30
jaegerread again, it wasn't glibc-3203:31
jaegerwell, I suppose the gcc error could have the same cause, so never mind, sorry03:31
Romsterido't have time i got tons of stuff i'm doing and i just glossed over it i'm out gain03:31
jaegerworth checking03:32
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prologicDoes anyone know of the glibc resolver does any sort of caching to help speedup queries?04:45
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saptechHi guys. I'm getting this error when I try to update btrfs-prog04:55
saptechhere is the link.
saptechlook like the output of the error is showing a hashmark instead of a dash (-) btrfs-progs#v3.14.1-1.pkg.tar.gz04:58
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joacimsaptech: you're missing a dependency. lzo.05:11
saptechok, installing now. thnx05:12
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: tig: 2.0.1 -> 2.0.207:22
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frinnstUnable to Complete Your Request07:52
frinnstwell fuck you too, vmware07:52
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: tcc: 0.9.25 -> 0.9.2607:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: tornadoweb: 3.1.1 -> 3.2.107:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: sslh: 1.15 -> 1.1607:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: openvpn: 2.3.3 -> 2.3.407:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: mercurial: 2.8 -> 3.007:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: nmap: 6.40 -> 6.4607:53
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: nbd: 3.7 -> 3.807:53
frinnstholy spam, batman!07:53
teK__# cat oradb1.tar| netcat 133707:53
teK__found some spare/waiting time  (this is on a 100MBit/s net)07:54
teK__it swalloed my opt commits07:54
teK__fuck you cruxbot07:54
teK__hey past-teK, why didnt you full fix/commit the llvm update?!07:56
frinnstyeah, fuck that lazy guy07:56
teK__for real.07:57
teK__also: I was supposed to rip out clang07:57
teK__where did these commits go :P07:57
teK__BitPuffin: clang, currently, is in llvm07:58
diverseI thought the llvm port doesn't provide clang?07:58
BitPuffinI guess I've asked that a while back07:59
BitPuffinthat's kind of weird packaging but alright07:59
BitPuffinat least it exists07:59
teK__it has been removed in 3.107:59
teK__blame tilman. He's the packager :p07:59
teK__so I'll create a separate clang port for 3.1 :-)08:00
teK__+ add that to the release notes, so frinnst has no lame excuse to insult me (again!)08:01
diverseor to insult your past version08:01
BitPuffinwell good!08:02
frinnstdont worry tek. i'll find a reason (or make one up)08:05
teK__really.. upstream is driving me crazy08:06
teK__SURE, WHY NOT08:06
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: feh: 2.10 -> 2.1108:07
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: libssh: 0.6.0 -> 0.6.308:07
diverseteK__: is teK-future going to have a bad day?08:07
teK__never. Gotta fix some accounting screwups in the  mentioned oracale db later today so that might change :D08:08
teK__screwups = accounting screwups..08:08
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frinnstoracle horror08:36
frinnstone of our customers have a business app built on oracle forms08:37
frinnstfrom 2004 or something08:37
teK__it's not really oracle but Baan IV I have to tamper with :)08:37
frinnstonly works with java from -98 or something08:37
teK__orcale drives this installation, though.08:37
frinnstwe run it on a physical to virtual converted windows 2003 server08:38
frinnsteverytime something goes wrong (not that often, thankfully) i get this cold sweat08:39
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: vlc: fix .desktop file08:39
teK__almost done with updates, just 2x llvm-clang  compilation08:40
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nwehey guys, does someone know if I can set proxy in pxeboot (Imean in pxelinux.cfg/default .09:00
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Romsterjaeger, CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION not being set would affect compiling glibc-32 and anyhting else -32 as you would be aware.10:02
Romsterthanks teK__ for the vlc desktop file fix10:03
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: nmap: enable parallel builds again10:13
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: llvm: fix symlink11:07
teK__frinnst:  -----^11:08
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frinnstteK__: but you forgot about nmap-update :)11:28
teK__#crux-dev first11:29
frinnstItem in process in office of exchange.11:35
frinnst Location: HKI VANTAA, ULKOMAANTERMINAALI 0100011:35
frinnsthow the fuck do finland manage without at proper language?11:35
Feigrimwell some of them speak Swedish at least :P11:42
Romsterdidn't you just dob yourself in there.11:42
frinnstswedish is a proper language!11:44
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frinnstsee, thats why a few finns speak it11:44
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: nmap: remove nmap-update12:11
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frinnst_silly kernel vulns12:21
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: llvm: fix indentation, footprint12:27
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jaegerRomster: yes, which I said right after my first comments13:50
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: llvm: last commit for today. Really.13:51
pidsley@jaeger ; i have a config.log to show you. the build fails at libquadmath :
sisel4i cant update gcc :/14:33
frinnstsisel4: can you include more of the previous output?14:34
frinnstyour paste seems to not include the actual error14:34
Romsteri have it built14:34
Romsterpkgadd -u that14:34
Romstermaybe afterwards you can then rebuild it.14:35
frinnstpidsley: is CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION=y set in your kernel config?14:35
Romsteryeah i said that way earlier today too.14:35
jaegerpidsley: that's probably what's missing, the "cannot execute binary file" is suspicious14:36
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: chromium: fixed issues with ICU (FS#1014)14:36
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: subversion: updated to 1.8.914:36
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: subversion-bashcompletion: updated to 1.8.914:36
Romsterthat would cause it. not having CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION=y in your kernel.14:36
pidsleylet me check; no it's not set. I was wondering if it was a kernel problem since I am the only one who has it.14:36
pidsleyI will set that flag and rebuild my kernel. thank you.14:37
sisel4frinnst, ok, i'll try install Romster's package and then rebuild gcc on my machine14:37
Romsternp that'll fix alot of errors.14:37
Romstersisel4, be sure you also have CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION=y set in your kernel as well14:37
Romsterand not using any odd CFLAGS or anything?14:37
sisel4Romster, no14:38
sisel4Default config14:38
Romsterdoes binutils compile ok?14:38
frinnstit fails on ld. might run out of ram or diskspace or whatever. the actual error is not included in the paste14:38
sisel4frinnst, hmm14:38
sisel4maybe it was too small?14:38
sisel4 /tmp is a ramdisk14:39
Romstersisel4, nothing that is multilib or 32bit only which includes glibc-32 and gcc will build without CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION=y14:39
frinnstyeah if you build in /tmp i'd bet you run out of space14:39
frinnstyou probably need 8tb or something in total if you plan to build stuff like firefox14:39
Romstereh i don't but then you can set the space higher...14:39
frinnst4gb is not enough for gcc iirc14:39
Romsterand if you run out of ram it goes to swap14:39
sisel4sh-4.2# cat .config | grep IA3214:40
Romstersudo mount -t tmpfs -o size=10G,uid=$(id -u pkgmk),gid=$(id -g pkgmk),defaults tmpfs /usr/ports/work14:40
sisel4Romster, i set work dir to /tmp :P14:40
Romsteri do that for my tmpfs to build in my /tmp is set up so i can't even run anything executable.14:41
sisel4meh, umount /tmp :D14:41
Romsterwhat teK__ idaprovve ya know you chould change your 2 underscores to minus lol, tek--14:41
teK__some day, teK won't be registered on this crappy net :P14:42
Romsterseriouslytalk to a freenode staffer try and register a nick already -_-14:42
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: monit: updated to 5.814:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: monit: updated to 5.8.114:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: subversion-perl: updated to 1.8.914:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: subversion-python: updated to 1.8.914:51
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saptechI'm trying to install wxpython, but got this error, Footprint mismatch found:15:01
saptechMissing usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/PyOpenGL-3.0.2-py2.7.egg-info15:02
saptechERROR: Building '/usr/ports/contrib/pyopengl/pyopengl#3.0.2-1.pkg.tar.gz' failed.15:03
Romsterdid you get setuptools installed?15:03
Romsteror are you still using distribute?15:03
saptechI'm not understanding15:04
Romsterpkgrm distribute ; prt-get depinst setuptools15:04
Romsterit was changed awhile ago. python devs made a mess... went from setuptools to distribute, turned out to break tons of stuff for 2-3 years then they decided to go back to setuptools15:05
saptechI did install setuptools and so far so good15:07
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.0]: xorg-xf86-input-synaptics: update to 1.7.615:10
Romsterno problem.15:23
retardjaeger:, and worked nicely for setting up a luks volume using your live cd by the by15:27
saptechRomster, when installing/compiling and it takes a long time to finish, how can I find out if any error messages may appeared? I'm using xterm and it scrolls off the screen15:28
saptechI guess the log file for that package15:29
jaegerretard: glad you got it working15:30
retardi expected more trouble than i had15:31
Romsterman that nick does not do you any justice15:32
Romstersaptech, enable the logging feature in /etc/prt-get.conf15:33
Romsterand logs in /var/log/pkgbuild/15:34
thetornainbowRomster: haha15:34
thetornainbowsaw your comment before the nick15:34
saptechRomster, got it, thnx15:35
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: pyopengl: added dep setuptools15:42
retardRomster: it does me all the justice i require, desire and expect :)15:44
Romsterlol okay who am i to judge15:46
retardnot sure, some kind of person on irc i believe15:48
retardcould be a markov chain or similar though15:49
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cruxbot[core.git/3.0]: nasm: update to 2.11.0416:05
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cruxbot[core.git/3.0]: tzdata: update to 2014c16:08
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timcowchip doesn't exist anymore20:06
timcowchipoh well lxqt supposed to be a spin for fedora2120:08
timcowchipthanks pidsley20:09
pidsleyhave you tried lxqt yet?20:09
timcowchipyes on fedora2020:10
pidsleyi had it running on Arch just to see what it looked like20:10
timcowchipits like razorqt with pcman controling the desktop20:10
timcowchipwhat did you think?20:11
timcowchiphave you tried razorqt?20:11
pidsleyi'm not much of a DE user; i don't see huge advantages over lxde, but i dodn't use it for long20:11
pidsleyseemed fairly light; a little heavier than lxde, but still not bad20:12
pidsleyoh well i have to run. have fun.20:12
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