IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2014-07-19

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timcowchipremoving the "" from the DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION line in etc/lsb-release http://pastebin.com/hseUYkFX01:55
timcowchipworks better for grub-mkconfig on Arch01:55
timcowchipCrux still lists the menuentry as 'GNU/Linux'01:56
openfbtdA working useful desktoo01:58
openfbtddesktop*01:58
timcowchipawesome01:58
timcowchipI'm actually using Sonar-Linux01:59
timcowchipwhich is based on Manjaro, which is based on Arch01:59
openfbtdWhy not Arch?01:59
openfbtd>Therefore, you may encounter a small learning curve when understanding how GNU/Linux operates and is structured02:00
openfbtd“small learning curve”02:00
openfbtdhahahahaha02:00
timcowchiphttp://sonargnulinux.com/02:00
timcowchipmy daughter is special needs02:01
openfbtdAh.02:01
timcowchiphttp://enuinc.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=229402:25
timcowchipand http://enuinc.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=188102:25
timcowchipwould fit in my mitx case02:27
jaegertimcowchip: the 4790K is a haswell refresh chip, you probably want a Z97 (instead of Z87) chipset on the motherboard02:28
jaegerZ87 is the previous generation and not guaranteed to work with the haswell refresh CPUs. Some MB manufacturers are making BIOSes for Z87 that support them but no guarantee02:28
jaegeralternatively you could go with the 4770K if it's cheaper, though the refresh CPUs generally have a lot better cooling02:36
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timcowchipthanks jaeger02:40
jaegerwelcome02:40
jaegeranother suggestion if you're interested: if you don't plan to do any overclocking, look at the i7-4790 (non-K) and an H97 motherboard instead, save some money02:41
jaegerIn other words, overclocking = K+Z97, non-overclocking = non-K+H9702:41
timcowchiphttp://enuinc.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=229302:41
timcowchiphttp://enuinc.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=223702:42
jaegerLooks like a decent combo. The 4790K is slightly faster than the 4790 in terms of stock clock speed (4.0GHz vs. 3.6GHz) but they're both ridiculously fast02:44
timcowchipcompared to my D51002:44
jaegerboth will smoke the D510, of course02:45
timcowchiphttp://enuinc.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=223902:46
jaegerhttp://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-z97eitxac <-- another option that's a bit cheaper but not available at enuinc, it seems02:48
jaegermITX form factor always ends up being a bit more expensive than mATX/ATX, though02:48
jaegerbit more niche02:48
timcowchipI like having a place to bring it back to02:48
jaegerfair enough02:48
timcowchipunfortunately $500 might as well be $500,000 atm02:50
jaegerdoh02:52
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jaegeropenfbtd: what are you using instead? mdev? static nodes? something else?03:03
jaegeropenfbtd: oops, I misread, I see you including mdev in your list03:04
jaegers/including/included/03:05
openfbtdjaeger, I only set up permissions on the nodes kernel creates03:07
openfbtdAnd don't do anything else with /dev03:08
jaegerah03:08
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libjpeg: replaced by libjpeg-turbo08:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libmng: updated to 2.0.208:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libpng: updated to 1.6.708:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: gvim: upate to 7.4.9408:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: apr: update to 1.5.0, apr-utils: update to 1.5.308:44
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Rotwangmany floodings08:51
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teK__tilman: how do you sync crux.nu downloads to code-monkey.de?10:10
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tilmanteK__: i don't anymore ;)10:18
teK__remove or update?10:18
tilmanrm10:18
teK__k10:18
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: harfbuzz: updated to 0.9.3213:00
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: coreutils: updated to 8.2313:07
nrxtxcan someone confirm if opt/p5-xml-parser download location is broken?13:34
pidsley yes, it is also broken for me (503: service unavailable)13:44
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Romsterharfbuzz update again14:28
Romsternrxtx, http://crux.ster.zone/distfiles/14:30
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rud_help14:44
rud_when im trying to read manual about useradd the text shows unknown character14:45
rud_ESC[1mNAMEESC[0m14:45
rud_when it should be "NAME"14:45
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: xorg-libxi: updated to 1.7.414:47
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: libepoxy: initial commit.14:47
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: [notify] xorg-server: updated to 1.16. Requires the new dependency "libepoxy".14:47
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: xorg-fontsproto: updated to 2.1.314:47
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: xorg-glamor-egl: removed deprecated port14:47
frinnstrud_: 3.1 updated from 3.0 ?14:47
rud_nope 2.814:47
rud_new installation14:47
frinnstoh. hmm14:48
rud_sorry14:48
frinnstwell it's charset related anyways14:48
rud_it's behave like this when im remote via putty @ win 714:48
rud_ah14:48
frinnstdid you generate the locales ?14:48
rud_any idea to fix it14:48
rud_i did14:48
rud_localedef -i en_US -f UTF-8 en_US.UTF-814:49
frinnstit was ages since i used putty but isnt there utf-8 settings in a menu or something?14:49
joacimI don't think putty uses utf by default14:50
joacimPeople still dump their files straight to c:...14:51
rud_same result even i change translation set14:51
frinnstis it *only* with putty? or do you see the same result on a physical console?14:52
rud_don't know yet14:54
rud_it's on another place14:54
frinnstah I see14:54
rud_but i'll check on that soon14:54
rud_it's running fine on another machine tho14:55
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frinnstok. maybe someone else using putty can help a bit better14:58
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: xorg-server: fixed footprint15:05
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: xorg-server: cleanups15:06
rud_k thanks15:08
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rud_found some workaround16:18
rud_adding -c to TROFF, NROFF, JNROFF fix manual page "ESC[1m )" char16:19
rud_it's confirmed running manual page from local console having same result16:19
rud_i don't know why this is happen but it's fixed now16:20
rud_TROFF           /usr/bin/groff -Tps -mandoc -c  NROFF           /usr/bin/nroff -mandoc -c  JNROFF          /usr/bin/groff -Tnippon -mandocj -c16:20
rud_in /etc/man.conf16:20
jaegerdoes it happen if you unset LESSCHARSET ?16:22
jaegermaybe also unset LESS16:23
rud_yep done that16:28
rud_the problem has been there since installation16:29
jaegerdoes the encoding in putty match the locale?16:29
rud_yup done that too in translation menu16:30
jaegeronly ideas I had, sorry16:30
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rud_any idea what can cause this16:31
rud_ths character is "ESC[1m"16:31
rud_bad installation media maybe?16:32
rud_from this article http://www.refining-linux.org/archives/3/Configuring-your-console-pager/, it's something wrong with console pager16:35
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: xorg-libxfont: updated to 1.5.017:31
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: xorg-xf86-video-ati: removed deprecated dependency17:38
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timcowchipconfigure: error: Package requirements (epoxy) were not met18:09
timcowchipwhen updating xorg-libxfont18:09
timcowchiphas xorg-glamor-egl been removed from xorg?18:10
frinnsthttp://lists.crux.nu/pipermail/crux/2014-July/003913.html18:17
timcowchipthanks frinnst18:21
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nrxtxsomeone else has problems with the kernel loading firmware files?18:41
frinnstno. but the kernel doesnt really ship with new firmware these days18:43
frinnstfirmware for a specific driver, or what?18:43
nrxtxiwlwifi18:44
frinnstinstall contrib/iwlwifi-3945-ucode18:45
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nrxtxfile is in /lib/firmware/ but since the change to 3.1 kernel is unable to load it18:45
frinnstare you using the same kernel that you used for 3.0 or did you build a new one during upgrade?18:46
nrxtxbuild a new one from scratch18:46
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frinnstif you built a new kernel, make sure you include firmware loading support :)18:46
nrxtxit is firmware for ethernet rtl chipset loads fine18:47
nrxtxif i built the firmware blob into the kernel it works fine18:47
frinnst -> Device Drivers -> Generic Driver Options18:47
frinnst"Firmware blobs root directory" correctly set?18:48
nrxtxthis is only the path where to look for files being built into the kernel while doing make and not the runtime path18:50
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nrxtxis the firmware load helper gone?19:03
nrxtxfrinnst he tries to load the firmware for wlan to early, so i'll stick with built-in19:07
nrxtxother firmware files are loaded fine, thx for your help19:08
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frinnstnrxtx: glad it works. But "too early" for what?20:21
frinnstfor your rc.d/net script or is there actually a problem loading the driver?20:21
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nrxtxfrinnst: actually loading the file from root filesystem i guess20:32
nrxtxmessage appears before he tries mounting /20:32
frinnstis the driver built as a module?20:34
nrxtxyes20:35
nrxtxno20:35
nrxtxbuilt-in20:35
frinnstah, so the kernel tries to initialize the driver before there is a filesystem to load the firmware from?20:35
nrxtxyes20:35
frinnstah ok. yeah you need to bake in the firmware in the kernel, or build the driver as a module.20:36
frinnstor use an initrd i guess20:36
nrxtxfor some reason the rtl_nic built-in driver loads from / after mounting, iwlwifi built-in before20:36
nrxtxthat'S why i was confused20:36
frinnstkernel race i guess20:37
nrxtxah libjpeg-turbo is now default very nice, dumping them from my repo :)20:44
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