| diverse | did anyone created a repo for lxqt? | 00:01 |
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| jaeger | I built ports for it over the weekend, didn't care much for it, and deleted them. | 00:15 |
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| diverse | what was wrong with them? | 00:16 |
| jaeger | nothing with the ports themselves... just didn't care for lxqt. It seems pretty unfinished still | 00:17 |
| diverse | jaeger: in which ways? | 00:18 |
| jaeger | missing icons, kinda ugly aesthetics in some places, not being able to find installed applications | 00:19 |
| jaeger | little things that don't make it unusable by any means, just unpolished | 00:19 |
| jaeger | And obviously the aesthetic stuff is subjective | 00:20 |
| diverse | jaeger: was it missing icons in the apps menu or other places? | 00:22 |
| jaeger | apps menu, control panel | 00:22 |
| jaeger | not sure about pcmanfm since I couldn't ever get it to run | 00:22 |
| jaeger | pcmanfm-qt seems to be in flux right now, there was no released version that worked with the released version of libfm, I think. Had to mess with the git version | 00:23 |
| diverse | back when I used E, I noticed a lot of the app icons where missing and it was one of the reasons why I urged frinnst to add the firefox icon a while back. | 00:24 |
| jaeger | Usually a DE (I'll use MATE as an example because I run it most of the time) will pick up applications with .desktop files installed in a sane location (like /usr/share/applications) | 00:25 |
| jaeger | and display an icon if the referenced one exists and is readable, etc. | 00:25 |
| jaeger | lxqt displayed some but not others and didn't tell me why it wouldn't display them | 00:25 |
| Workster | https://securityledger.com/2014/07/old-apache-code-at-root-of-android-fakeid-mess/ | 00:25 |
| jaeger | I might give it another try sometime in the future, it looks interesting | 00:26 |
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| Workster | nice one oracle for not allowing google to use java. | 00:26 |
| diverse | well they might come out with 0.8.0 soon, it's been a while | 00:26 |
| jaeger | MATE picks those up no problem, for example firefox and thunderbird. lxqt picked up firefox but not thunderbird, oddly | 00:26 |
| diverse | jaeger: does the pixmap exist for thunderbird on your system? | 00:26 |
| jaeger | yes. As I say, MATE finds and uses it without trouble | 00:27 |
| diverse | weird | 00:27 |
| jaeger | as defined in the .desktop file | 00:27 |
| diverse | damn these freedesktop.org standard specifications | 00:28 |
| Workster | i have mixed feelings for freedesktop | 00:28 |
| diverse | whenever it comes to app menus, they can't get their shit right | 00:29 |
| Workster | and then all projects should ship a svg icon not all these legacy different size pngs | 00:29 |
| Workster | we arn't int he 90's no more. | 00:30 |
| Workster | in the* | 00:30 |
| diverse | well, they should create a new standard deprecating the use of png files :P | 00:34 |
| jaeger | even pngs are usually preferable to jpegs, in my opinion | 00:34 |
| diverse | though Romster's point was that svgs are scalable, so no point in needing firefox-{40x40, 60x60, 80x80, 100x100, 120x120, etc_etc}.png files for every different specific size just for firefox | 00:37 |
| jaeger | svg > png > jpg/gif is what I was saying | 00:43 |
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| diverse | Workster: oh yay, so that article says my phone has been totally vunerable due to some stupid old apache code? | 00:59 |
| diverse | definitely going to wipe this old phone with Firefox OS | 01:01 |
| diverse | "The culprit in the FAKE ID is code that was originally part of Apache Harmony, a now-discontinued effort to offer an open source alternative to Oracle’s Java technology. Google turned to Harmony as an alternative means of supporting Java on its operating system after failing to strike a deal with Oracle to license Java directly. Work on Harmony was discontinued in November, 2011." | 01:05 |
| diverse | geez, google should stop using Java as an API for their Android OS and move on to something else, since Java related stuff now has Oracle cooties on it | 01:06 |
| diverse | Heck they could be using the Go language for it. It's *their* language! | 01:10 |
| diverse | What a mess, almost but not quite as bad as heartbleed. | 01:11 |
| diverse | frinnst: this would be a good time to show more of your java hate | 01:17 |
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| Romster | pretty much diverse | 02:28 |
| Romster | png is better than jpeg/gif for being not lossy but svg is so much better for scaleable icons | 02:30 |
| diverse | Choosing Java was and still is a terrible choice. Google should invest in redoing the Android platform for Go in version 5 or something, because this shit has to stop if they won't shake hands with Oracle. | 02:31 |
| Romster | darfo> romster: kudos for your work on gstreamer, saved lots of work for me <- no problems. | 02:31 |
| diverse | Romster: gstreamer apps are going to be pretty inevitable huh? | 02:37 |
| diverse | *pretty much | 02:37 |
| Romster | some exist, its a nice framework that you don't have to mess with every codec around to get support. | 02:38 |
| Romster | much like sdl framework make it work with them programs you get all the compatibility of it | 02:38 |
| diverse | I heard sdl2 is pretty nice | 02:39 |
| Romster | i haven't had anything that uses that yet | 02:39 |
| Romster | sdl1 has been around for a long time | 02:40 |
| Romster | be pretty much new projects that will use sdl2 | 02:40 |
| Romster | Tesseract is a first-person shooter game derived from Cube2, well that uses sdl2 | 02:41 |
| diverse | sdl would make things a lot easier to interact with than plain opengl. You wouldn't believe how hard it is to draw a triangle in opengl. So much work. | 02:43 |
| Romster | glew would also make that easier | 02:43 |
| Romster | easier to use a framework if oyu need tons of support. | 02:44 |
| Romster | for different codecs and devices | 02:45 |
| Romster | although frameworks tend to be pretty heavy on dependencies | 02:45 |
| diverse | I don't care how heavy it is, just as along as it's a good design | 02:46 |
| Romster | gstreamer is required for webkit to have html5 video support too. | 02:46 |
| Romster | and i'm pretty sure firefox needs it too for html5 video/audio | 02:46 |
| diverse | oh really? I thought was able to get html5 video/audio to work without it | 02:47 |
| Romster | that's pretty much it, the framework hides all the different interfaces of each sub-project | 02:47 |
| Romster | maybe if they bundled there own framework with there program | 02:47 |
| Romster | browsers tend to bundle the entire OS minus the compiler. | 02:48 |
| diverse | browsers are essentially OSes | 02:48 |
| Romster | http://bluishcoder.co.nz/2008/04/03/firefox-html5-video-with-gstreamer.html old post but gstreamer | 02:48 |
| diverse | hmm | 02:48 |
| Romster | but someone added ac_add_options --disable-gstreamer | 02:49 |
| Romster | to firefox. | 02:49 |
| Romster | so its not needed to move the entire gstreamer into opt for firefox. | 02:50 |
| Romster | that would pretty much be 1/3 of contrib. | 02:50 |
| Romster | hmm thats the other thing too you need more than just gst-plugins-base to use all the features. but only gst-plugins-base is linked to the program. | 02:51 |
| Romster | or gst-plugins-base-compat for 0.10.x versions | 02:51 |
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| Romster | like gst-plugins-good provides .264 video | 02:54 |
| diverse | oh? | 02:54 |
| Romster | h.264 | 02:54 |
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| Romster | ah no it's in ugly not good. | 02:57 |
| Romster | i thought that got moved. | 02:57 |
| diverse | Romster: btw, I found a good tutorial on aria2. Made me realize how powerful aria2 is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMiyeNxcBSY | 03:07 |
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| Romster | diverse, yeah i even made a metalink for crux iso http://crux.ster.zone/downloads/crux-3.1.iso.meta4 | 08:54 |
| Romster | using all the mirrors on the download page | 08:54 |
| Romster | and i seen that. what it doesn't even explain is you can run aria2c as a daemon and send RPC requests to it. | 08:56 |
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| Romster | out of curiosity what terminal font you lot use? | 09:31 |
| Romster | http://alexandre.deverteuil.net/consolefonts/consolefonts.html | 09:31 |
| Feigrim | Romster: profont | 09:31 |
| frinnst | terminus | 09:32 |
| Romster | in console fonts? /usr/share/kbd/consolefonts/ | 09:33 |
| Romster | i see profont as a ttf | 09:33 |
| frinnst | oh you mean X-less? | 09:33 |
| frinnst | whatever is the default :) | 09:33 |
| Romster | in virtual terminals and console | 09:34 |
| Romster | $ sudo showconsolefont | 09:34 |
| Romster | Password: | 09:34 |
| Romster | bug: getfont called with count<256 | 09:34 |
| Romster | O_O is that normal | 09:34 |
| Romster | basicly what i am seeing is a few misisng glyphs with LANG='en_AU.UTF-8' man somepage, and it's fine with LANG=C | 09:37 |
| Romster | so i was thinking of changing my console font | 09:38 |
| Romster | not sure if it even affects man pages though... | 09:39 |
| Romster | guess its done though groff | 09:42 |
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| Romster | groff_font more like it, but i'll have a look at profont and terminus for the console. | 09:47 |
| Romster | terminal. | 09:47 |
| Romster | .afm files | 09:51 |
| Romster | for groff_font | 09:52 |
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| Romster | https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?38029 i'm amazed crux is mentioned here | 10:16 |
| cruxbot | [xorg.git/3.1]: libdrm: updated to 2.4.56 | 10:52 |
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| cruxbot | [compat-32.git/3.1]: libdrm-32: 2.4.55 -> 2.4.56 | 12:36 |
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| retard | huh, i no longer see the repo i run on the http://crux.nu/portdb | 16:17 |
| retard | we had a few hours of downtime, but everything should be fine now.. does it automagically prune repos or something? | 16:18 |
| jaeger | It does, and will readd active ones the next time it runs, if they're accessible again | 16:23 |
| retard | could you tell me what criteria does it have for determining if a repo is up or not? i have come across what seems like dead repos a couple of times | 16:30 |
| retard | also, do you know how often it runs? | 16:31 |
| retard | this was six hours of downtime mainly caused by me falling asleep during a kernel compile, i feel a little shitty about it since i'm not the only one maintaining and using the repo :D | 16:32 |
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| jaeger | it runs once a day. I think it's at 0700 CEST | 17:24 |
| jaeger | As for criteria, as far as I know it's just trying to sync the repo and if it fails, gets marked failed | 17:25 |
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| retard | cool! thanks for the answers. :) | 17:54 |
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| timcowchip | :) | 17:58 |
| timcowchip | retard: what repo do you maintain? | 18:02 |
| retard | teatime / http://kyber.io/crux/ | 18:03 |
| timcowchip | you're right, I don't see it on http://crux.nu/portdb/ | 18:05 |
| timcowchip | mine was missing yesterday | 18:05 |
| timcowchip | but back today | 18:06 |
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| cruxbot | [core.git/3.1]: [notify] dhcpcd: updated to 6.4.2. | 19:51 |
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| jaeger | Anyone use drbd regularly? | 20:47 |
| frinnst | i *think* romster uses it | 20:48 |
| frinnst | or did | 20:48 |
| frinnst | thinking of doing a proper deployment of it at work? | 20:49 |
| jaeger | I have, actually... but drbd sometimes loses its connection | 20:49 |
| jaeger | even though the servers never lose networking | 20:49 |
| frinnst | oh that sounds scary | 20:49 |
| jaeger | pacemaker+cman+drbd+postgresql cluster | 20:49 |
| jaeger | everything on top works flawlessly. drbd just barfs now and then | 20:49 |
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| timcowchip | Romster: may I please have a firefox-31 package | 21:12 |
| timcowchip | I'v tried upgrading 3 times now and my computer freezes just before it finishes building | 21:12 |
| timcowchip | I think it runs out of ram and starts swapping | 21:13 |
| timcowchip | maybe crux has outgrown my P.O.S. | 21:15 |
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| frinnst | everything has outgrown your pos :) | 21:39 |
| timcowchip | yes it has | 21:40 |
| timcowchip | I should put windiwsME on it | 21:42 |
| timcowchip | windows | 21:43 |
| timcowchip | gonig to try to rebuild firefox again | 21:44 |
| pidsley | timcowchip -- you could download the tar.bz2 from mozilla and "upgrade" that way | 21:44 |
| timcowchip | I have done that with "nightly" | 21:45 |
| timcowchip | it updates nightly, hence the name | 21:46 |
| pidsley | i think i might have figured that out ;) | 21:47 |
| timcowchip | have to run it from a dir with unsecure permissions or updating cn be a PITA | 21:47 |
| pidsley | i just download the tar, unpack it in opt, and run it. you could unpack it in /home if you don't want to unpack it as root | 21:48 |
| pidsley | just a thought. never mind. | 21:49 |
| joacim | timcowchip: I put WinMe on one of my computers. http://cl.ly/Wf5P | 21:49 |
| pidsley | i put CRUX on my Atom 410 just to see what you were up against | 21:49 |
| joacim | it is pretty sweet | 21:49 |
| joacim | boots in seconds. very responsive. | 21:50 |
| timcowchip | WinME was my last windows os | 21:50 |
| timcowchip | I used XP at work back in the day | 21:50 |
| timcowchip | I liked ME. still had DOS underneath | 21:51 |
| timcowchip | DOOM WOLF3D | 21:51 |
| joacim | I have doom, but no wolf3d | 21:52 |
| timcowchip | it will run on dosbox | 21:52 |
| timcowchip | debian's got wolf4sdl | 21:53 |
| timcowchip | joystick works on that one | 21:53 |
| timcowchip | maybe I'll try to make a port for it | 21:54 |
| timcowchip | well going to try to build ff again. got to shut down all other resources | 21:55 |
| timcowchip | bbl | 21:55 |
| jaeger | I'll build one if you like, won't take me nearly that long | 21:56 |
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| jaeger | or not | 21:56 |
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| jaeger | timcowchip: out of curiosity, why not just leave IRC open in the background while you go do other stuff? | 21:56 |
| timcowchip | ok | 21:56 |
| jaeger | I wasn't suggesting, just wondered. :) | 21:57 |
| timcowchip | I'll use weechat instead of quassel | 21:57 |
| timcowchip | got to save ram | 21:57 |
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| timcowchip | jaeger: a port for wolf4sdl would be great | 21:58 |
| jaeger | I meant firefox | 21:59 |
| jaeger | no interest in wolfenstein, myself, heh | 21:59 |
| timcowchip | oh | 22:00 |
| timcowchip | that would be great | 22:00 |
| jaeger | timcowchip: have you looked into the new 20th anniversary pentium chips? | 22:00 |
| timcowchip | no but I will | 22:01 |
| timcowchip | has it been 2o years? | 22:02 |
| timcowchip | since the 1st pentium | 22:02 |
| jaeger | The Pentium G3258 can be overclocked to 4+ GHz on a Z97 motherboard | 22:02 |
| jaeger | so a G3258 + Z97 might be a decent way to upgrade from your Atom without spending a ton | 22:02 |
| joacim | It can be overclocked to 4GHz on a b81 motherboard =) | 22:02 |
| timcowchip | geeze | 22:03 |
| joacim | many motherboard manufacturers updated their bioses to allow for overclocking on non-z chipsets | 22:03 |
| jaeger | I'm not familiar with B81s but that would require a BIOS update, yeah | 22:03 |
| joacim | I would probably get a h97/z97 for myself tho | 22:03 |
| timcowchip | I remember when Intel was in 1 little building in Santa Clara | 22:04 |
| jaeger | timcowchip: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/V9N8bv <-- as an example build | 22:06 |
| jaeger | If you wanted to do some heavy overclocking I'd go for a beefier cooler, though | 22:06 |
| jaeger | joacim: I've been really happy with my H97 so far | 22:07 |
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| timcowchip | pcpartpicker is a cool site | 22:11 |
| jaeger | It is. Can be very handy for building | 22:12 |
| timcowchip | speaking of building, how long does it take you to build firefox? | 22:13 |
| timcowchip | takes me about 4 to 5 hours | 22:14 |
| timcowchip | not counting download time | 22:14 |
| jaeger | http://pcpartpicker.com/p/hv3LFT <-- that's my gaming build | 22:15 |
| joacim | jaeger: http://cl.ly/WpCu <- pretty much done with my build | 22:15 |
| jaeger | I didn't time it but it's finishing now and I started it when I told you I'd build one | 22:15 |
| jaeger | ~20 min | 22:15 |
| jaeger | joacim: still throws me off a bit to see it upside down like that but looks nice :) | 22:16 |
| timcowchip | wow | 22:16 |
| joacim | yeah that asus on the "southbridge" heatsink annoys me | 22:16 |
| joacim | thinking about rotating it 180 degrees | 22:16 |
| joacim | i really need an ssd now. the samsung hdd on the bottom vibrates a lot. | 22:17 |
| jaeger | timcowchip: 8 core Xeon E5-1620 @ 3.8GHz, 32GB RAM for reference | 22:17 |
| timcowchip | that would overclock my bank account | 22:18 |
| jaeger | joacim: I'll never go back to platter drives in my main box if I can help it | 22:18 |
| joacim | I'll probably get a wd green for my games | 22:18 |
| joacim | it'll be off when i don't use it | 22:18 |
| joacim | I like my wd red, but it never spins down, and the new ones are pretty noisy compared to my old one | 22:19 |
| jaeger | I've got WD reds in my NAS, they're great... just prefer not to have any platters in my main 2 boxes | 22:20 |
| jaeger | heh, just accidentally hit my compose key and type ...… | 22:20 |
| jaeger | typed | 22:20 |
| jaeger | timcowchip: http://jaeger.morpheus.net/linux/crux/files/firefox%2331.0-1.pkg.tar.xz | 22:21 |
| timcowchip | thanks :) | 22:21 |
| jaeger | welcome | 22:21 |
| joacim | a single ssd would be enough, but I have 500 GB of video games. I never uninstall anything :S | 22:21 |
| jaeger | heh | 22:22 |
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| joacim | thinking about it. a single 500 GB SSD would be about as much as one 250 + 2TB HDD. A single SSD would be fine for me | 22:24 |
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| jaeger | I don't mind uninstalling things, easy to get them back | 22:38 |
| timcowchip | brb | 22:56 |
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| timcowchip | anyway to get rid of the "Google API keys are missing" when starting chromium? | 22:58 |
| timcowchip | googling didn't turn up anything | 23:00 |
| jaeger | No idea here, sorry. I don't use it | 23:01 |
| joacim | I'll probably get a new PSU before I replace the samsung hdd. seasonic g550 or cs or rm series corsair. Both seem decent enough | 23:05 |
| jaeger | I bought the seasonic ssr-550rm, never gone wrong with seasonic | 23:06 |
| joacim | I have seasonic/coolermaster now. it is pretty good | 23:07 |
| joacim | only 450W tho. | 23:07 |
| jaeger | most people way overbuild on the PSU | 23:08 |
| jaeger | I used to do that as well until I started actually paying attention to power draws | 23:09 |
| joacim | I noticed. I did that 8 years ago. got a 500W for a low end C2D and GF7600GT | 23:09 |
| jaeger | My i7-2600k build still has an 850 in it? or 750? either way it's too much | 23:10 |
| joacim | this CM v450s is pretty good, but I need a second power supply for my old PC. Want to resurrect it as a server | 23:10 |
| jaeger | ah | 23:10 |
| jaeger | I think I read somewhere the corsair rm series are seasonic as well but I'm not sure on that | 23:12 |
| joacim | i could just get a second 450W I guess, but I don't think that leaves much headroom for high end graphics cards from amd | 23:12 |
| jaeger | probably not | 23:13 |
| joacim | it is probably better to get a nice 500W-ish power supply than a bronze rated 750W | 23:17 |
| jaeger | Definitely. The ssr-550rm is a perfect example | 23:18 |
| jaeger | semi-modular, too | 23:18 |
| joacim | might get a nice AT power supply too. found out FSP still makes them =) | 23:23 |
| jaeger | heh, I haven't seen one of those in a while | 23:24 |
| joacim | http://www.fsp-europe.com/professional/spi300g.php | 23:24 |
| jaeger | not bad | 23:25 |
| joacim | 65% efficiency doesn't sound that great when compared to my 90% | 23:25 |
| jaeger | indeed, hehe | 23:25 |
| joacim | but powersupplies with 30A 5V rails are rare these days | 23:26 |
| joacim | -5V is nice to have too | 23:26 |
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