IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2014-08-20

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nwe_good morning07:36
frinnstmorrn'07:36
nwe_how are you frinnst ??07:36
frinnstjust fine, you?07:37
nwe_it?s fine here too..07:39
Romsternrxtx, fixed07:54
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: gcc-fortran: 4.7.3 -> 4.8.307:54
frinnsthow can hp's OA suck so bad?08:12
frinnstonly works with old and broken java versions08:12
diverseOA?08:17
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frinnstonboard administration08:21
frinnstbladeserver management crap08:21
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: mesa-demos: update to 8.2.008:33
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: mesa3d: update to 10.2.608:33
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: bash: update to 4.3.2408:35
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: util-linux: update to 2.2508:35
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tilmanhuh, updating to 3.1 broke cups for me08:41
tilmanor maybe something else did ;)08:44
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frinnstlibpng? :)09:13
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tilmanfrinnst: indeed :|09:17
frinnstheh, It broke *everything* pretty much09:19
teK_frinnst: please know that it won't get any better with Fujitsu's Serverview (Installation Manager)09:30
teK_it took me four fucking days and countless tries to install 3 Windows Server VMs with this huge pile of stinking crap09:30
frinnstI had to fire up an old xp client to update the firmware09:30
frinnstbut alas, its now installing windows updates09:31
frinnstoh, and you need an "oracle" account to download old jre versions09:31
teK_windows updates through our squid proxy still won't work (even though there's no basic auth required to access these subdomains of ms.com...)09:31
frinnstjre 6.17 should be safe enough09:31
teK_awesome09:34
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frinnstits aliiiive09:53
frinnstonly took ~2hrs09:53
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diversethe more I hear you guys rant about your administration jobs, the less I feel incline to get one.10:00
diverseor maybe getting a linux admin job is better?10:03
teK_on the other hand, frinnst does rant about me too. I am not that bad though.10:03
teK_Linux > *10:03
teK_but my impression is that there is a tendency (at leas in my environment) for shifting back to MS10:04
diverseand that tendency is because of idiotic project managers?10:04
teK_it's because of MS making 'attractive' licensing offers, staff availability (train a monkey to use a mouse) and 'ease of use'.10:05
teK_Don't forget that there are gold/silver/... partners bragging about their MS/Cisco/whatever suppor10:06
teK_t10:06
diverseewww10:06
teK_I, myself, decided to go with 3x Windows instead of 2x Windows and 1x Linux because of the online-backup (through shadow pages) features of MSSQL coming for almost 0 extra-expense vs.  increased costs for an Oracle solution10:07
teK_the supporting consultant also preferred windows and my admin does not speak a word linux/unix. As I may quit the job for good in six months it was the right decision to make10:07
teK_(i.e. a non-political one)_10:08
teK_and still we payed MS more than 17k EUR for licenses :)10:09
teK_(almost exceeding the hardware costs for 2 Servers and a 2xFC storage system)10:10
diversegeez10:10
diverseand was that spending worth it?10:11
diversestill sounds like stupid corporate managers just want to throw money at the problems without thinking10:14
teK_it sounds like Oracle OR MSSQL is supported by our vendor10:25
teK_and the spending was done last week so I can't tell10:25
teK_my job was to decide on the supplier, price and the product10:25
teK_I knew the price or supplier got and accepted a revenue rate of <3% was ok (he has live off of something, too)10:26
teK_so I set out to get my eomloyer a reasonable price and, imho, accomplished that10:26
teK_am I happy that we are switching from some siemens unix, solaris and linux  after about 20 years of use? Certainly not.10:27
teK_there are missing some gap words, sorry :P10:29
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: imagemagick: explicit build with lcms2, fix dependencies10:29
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: foomatic-filters: removed, replaced by cups-filters10:29
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: strace: 4.8 -> 4.910:42
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: p5-net-dns: 0.77 -> 0.7810:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: p5-netaddr-ip: update footprint for perl 5.1810:44
dxtrWouldn't it be neat to add a flag to prt-get that makes it run the (pre|post)-install script(s)?10:48
tilmangrep script /etc/prt-get.conf10:48
dxtrtilman: Sigh.. I suck10:49
dxtrNothing goes my way today :P10:50
NecrosporusHow am I meant to install xfce or something? it's not present in ports11:06
NecrosporusI need a DE or something11:07
Necrosporusicewm would work11:07
dxtrtilman: Where do I send patches if a port needs updating?11:09
diverseteK_: that's disappointing though11:11
diverseNecrosporus: you have to download the rsync/httpup driver from portsdb and add the ports directory where it downloads to in /etc/pkgmk.conf for prt-get11:12
NecrosporusI see there's rsync file for xfce11:15
Necrosporushow to use it to download xfce collection?11:15
tilmandxtr: see the Maintainer line in the-port/Pkgfile11:15
Necrosporushttp://crux.nu/portdb/?a=getup&q=xfce11:15
tilmandxtr: if they are in irc, just poke them in here =)11:16
diverseNecrosporus: yep, download from that link and put the file in /etc/ports11:16
diversethen run ports -u11:16
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Necrosporusdiverse, though there are no directories in pkgmk.conf11:23
Necrosporusanyway seems I have to reread the handbook11:23
diverseNecrosporus: whoop, my bad. I meant /etc/prt-get.conf11:25
diverseI'm pretty tired11:25
Necrosporuspkgmk -d -u -r will do the job too I guess11:27
Necrosporusin xfce directory11:27
Necrosporusis there any difference between using setup or someting like (cd /cdrom/packages/core && pkgadd *)?11:51
tilmanyes11:51
frinnstyeah, setup does some extra magic. removing obsolete packages adding new ones etc11:53
Necrosporusbut if it's new install, then it doesn't matter, does it?11:56
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teK_diverse: it's business, nothing more and nothing less12:11
tilmanNecrosporus: don't remember. use the source. it's fairly readable12:21
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: clang: 3.4.1 -> 3.4.212:50
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frinnsthttp://i.imgur.com/iDOzAa5.jpg13:39
jaegerheh, nice quote. lots of entertaining rambling phrases in that book13:51
joacimwhich book is that?13:54
jaegerhttp://www.joshbazell.com/wild-thing/ <-- I think it's this one but I might be misremembering13:56
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frinnstyeah it is14:22
frinnstneed to read it asap :)14:22
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: util-linux-32: 2.24.2 -> 2.2514:25
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: freetype-32: 2.4.11 -> 2.5.314:25
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: mesa3d-32: 10.2.5 -> 10.2.614:25
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: mesa-demos-32: 8.1.0 -> 8.2.014:25
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renovaatiodoes the kernel provided with the install disk have any special configs or is it the default configs?16:15
teK_should be this one: http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=system/iso.git;a=blob;f=kernel/linux-3.12.24.config16:16
teK_nah16:17
teK_should be this one: http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=system/iso.git;a=blob;f=kernel/linux-3.12.24.defconfig16:17
teK_http://crux.nu/gitweb/?p=system/iso.git;a=blob;f=iso/bin/setup;h=f793a4bb3ca327566a229aa44f2a6a3bed787c17;hb=HEAD#l24416:17
renovaatioteK_: what are the diferrences between the kernel's default configs and the crux ones?16:17
teK_whatever jaeger saw as important. I recommend doing a diff(1)16:18
renovaatioteK_: thank you16:22
teK_np16:22
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: mplayer: add patch for giflib-5.116:38
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cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: man-pages: updated to 3.7117:31
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: nspr: updated to 4.10.717:32
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: nss: updated to 3.1717:32
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thetornainbowafternoon folks21:32
teK_hello21:32
thetornainbowi'm slowly losing the ability to care how much coffee i'm drinking21:33
teK_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjmiap-uXug21:34
thetornainbowwhoever made this gets it21:36
jaegerthat's a bit scary, heh21:36
teK_I love the art, music and content *g*21:36
thetornainbowhaha i know. so catchy. and sung in french really makes it i think21:37
jaegernice touch that the singing gets more manic21:38
teK_HE IS NOT MANIC21:38
jaegerWhat do I know? I don't drink coffee. :P21:39
thetornainbowwhat? how?21:40
thetornainbowwhy?21:40
jaegerThe last people who saw me drink coffee are pli, sip, jue, and jdolan21:40
jaegerin 2004. :P21:40
teK_and now they are all retired/dead21:40
teK_WHAAT21:40
jaegerheh21:40
thetornainbowi'm sorry for whatever happened to you jaeger21:40
thetornainbowtruly21:40
thetornainbowdo you want to talk about it?21:40
jaegerdon't worry, there are plenty of other vices/addictions out there21:41
jaegermore than enough to go around21:41
thetornainbowyes, but none so intimate as coffee21:41
teK_and not as widely accepted as coffee. Even more than alcohol21:42
thetornainbow^^21:42
joacimI don't drink coffee either. It is annoying that my relatives never got the memo21:42
joacimthey always try to serve me some21:43
teK_my "mother in law" took quite some years until she got it. Now I drink coffee with the result that she is puzzled even more21:43
thetornainbowwhy the quotes? not really your mother in law?21:44
teK_I am not married (yet)21:45
thetornainbowah21:45
thetornainbowmy wife's family all drink coffee. my parents do not, so going to their house involves bringing necessary paraphernalia21:45
jdolanhey i'm not entirely dead21:46
thetornainbowsoon21:46
teK_ohai!21:46
teK_long time no read :-)21:46
jdolan(fun coincidence, i just became FB friends with cptn today)21:46
jdolanhi teK_ o/21:46
jdolanlmao, there's someone here named "retard"21:47
jaegerooh, forgot about cptn, he was there too21:47
jdolanjaeger: was that when we had turkish coffee?21:48
jaegerI don't remember if it  was turkish, it was at pli's apartment21:48
jdolanah right. i'm FB friends with pli too.21:48
jdolanhe often posts pics of RC cars he's won races with and stuff.21:49
jaegernice21:49
jaegerI've been thinking about selling my RC cars, don't have enough free time :P21:49
jaegeralready got enough hobbies, etc.21:49
jdolani have an RC plane that makes a fine ornament in my office.21:49
jaeger:)21:49
teK_and a nice one in scale 1:121:49
jdolanheh, i wish! someday.21:50
jaegerWhat is this, a plane for ANTS?!21:50
jdolansomething old, open cockpit, tail dragger.21:50
jdolanbiplane, of course.21:50
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deus_exmd5sums for libunique and subversion-bashcompletion are busted.again ;)22:02
deus_exthe more I play with zfs (in vm, for now). the more I like it.22:02
deus_exis btrfs inspired by it?e.g similar features22:03
deus_exheavy rain outside.I like summers like this.22:04
jdolandeus_ex: we're getting a nice t-storm right now in Naples FL too.22:05
pedjajdolan: FL?You retired there after getting filthy rich, I presume ;) ?22:07
jdolanhehe, no, just decided to move to paradise while young.22:07
jdolan(paradise, full of crazy tea partiers and rednecks)22:07
pedjaparadise, for me,  would be owning a bar on a Fiji island near the white sand beach, promiscous females and high speed Internet :)22:10
pedjaI keep choosing wrong lottery numbers, it seems...22:12
pedjaI really need to add spellcheck to Pidgin.Or learn to spell.22:13
teK_nice dream :)22:15
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