IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2014-08-25

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nwehello :)10:23
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: chromium-pepperflash: 34.0.1847.132 -> 36.0.1985.14310:56
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: chromium-pdf: 34.0.1847.132 -> 36.0.1985.14310:56
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: mercurial: 3.0.1 -> 3.111:12
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: mercurial: adjust URL14:18
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: spectrwm: update to 2.6.015:33
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: poppler: update to 0.26.415:33
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: poppler-glib: update to 0.26.415:33
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: poppler-qt4: update to 0.26.415:33
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: poppler-data: update to 0.4.715:33
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: ca-certificates: update to 2014082015:57
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: eudev: update to 1.1015:57
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: vim: update to 7.4.41715:57
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: gvim: update to 7.4.41715:59
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BitPuffindo you guys use spamassassin or do you perhaps recommend something else18:26
dxtrBitPuffin: I recommend greylisting18:44
BitPuffindxtr: with?18:44
dxtrWhat mailserver are you using?18:44
dxtrIs pf available?18:45
dxtrspamd is always superior18:46
dxtrI've never used opensmtpd under Linux. I've always set up my mailservers using openbsd :p18:46
dxtrBut postfix+postgrey is always a nice combo18:47
BitPuffindxtr: I don't think pf is available for linux unfortunately :(18:47
BitPuffindxtr: I like openbsd, hence opensmtpd18:48
BitPuffinby spamd you mean ?18:48
dxtrNo, I mean spamd(8)18:48
BitPuffinopenbsd thing?18:49
BitPuffinbsd guys get the best shit18:50
dxtrBitPuffin: The best people make the best stuff18:50
dxtrBitPuffin: But seriously, I have never bothered with spamassassin18:52
BitPuffinfrom what I read everybody hates it18:52
BitPuffinand I get the feeling it is huge and bloated18:52
dxtrgreylisting and strict rules is enough to stop all spam with close to no false positives18:53
dxtrit is huge and bloated18:53
BitPuffinmy opensmtpd configuration is like 6 lines :P18:53
BitPuffindovecot feels kinda bloated too18:53
dxtrdovecot is pretty neat18:54
dxtrBut i've rarely hd the need for it ;18:54
dxtrI just dump my mail in ~/.mail/18:54
dxtrAnd then use mutt to read it18:55
dxtrIf I'm lazy I just use /var/mail/<username>18:55
dxtrBitPuffin: But that one time I set up dovecot I actually made a really cool setup where I could edit my sieve rules directly in Thunderbird18:56
dxtrAnd in my web ui too18:56
dxtrWith DKIM (obviously)18:57
NecrosporusImagine I want to install Xfce. I downloaded port tree and synced it with ports -u, what I should do then? There are a lot of packages, which one would install everything I need as dependencies?19:05
jaegerI use dspam for my spam stuff19:12
joacimthere is probably one simply called xfce419:12
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dxtrxfce4 i believe19:26
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BitPuffinlol managed to lock myself out of my vps20:16
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BitPuffinmanaged to break my networking with my kernel config20:16
BitPuffinluckily I could vnc in and boot on the iso and fix it20:16
BitPuffinjaeger: how's dspam, simple to use?20:17
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dxtrpersonally I don't like dspam20:18
BitPuffinwhy not?20:21
jaegerIt takes some time to set up but once you get it trained it's rock solid20:25
jaegerI've been using it for years20:25
BitPuffinbut why is there no crux port :P20:31
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thetornainbowhow do you guys keep up with version changes across so many packages? for instance, spectrwm was updated recently, it's my main wm, but i had no idea a new release was coming out, and for the life of me i can't quite figure out what's changed in this new version. from the git page it looks like they added an option to spectrwm.conf, fixed some bits with the script for the info bar, and then bumped versions. but21:08
thetornainbowi've been thinking about it all afternoon. some of you cool cats maintain hundreds of packages, not to mention all the ones in the /core,/xorg,/opt, and /contrib repos.21:08
nrxtxthetornainbow: you can have a look at ck4up21:09
thetornainbownrxtx: ooh, that's handy. is it fairly similar across the board?21:10
thetornainbowgood old ruby :)21:10
nrxtx"across the board"?21:10
thetornainbownrxtx: i guess what i mean is across distributions21:11
thetornainbowhaving a utility to scrape web pages and the like?21:11
nrxtxi guess yes then21:11
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BitPuffinthetornainbow: do you mean as port maintainers or just users of the system22:03
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thetornainbowBitPuffin: port maintainers22:06
BitPuffinright now I just check every now and then22:07
BitPuffinI only have two ports so :P22:07
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thetornainbowi was meaning when you maintain lots of ports22:12
jaegerAny mac user know if installing fink and brew concurrently works without too much trouble?22:18
BitPuffinjaeger: probably not22:19
BitPuffinjaeger: it will probably just use whichever path is the first22:19
jaegerIt doesn't seem to at first glance but I've had both installed for about 10 minutes now, heh22:19
BitPuffinI was using exclusively brew22:19
BitPuffinwell for a while I had macports22:19
BitPuffinbut I nuked it22:19
jaegergot a user who uses some ancient shit that's only in fink and I need to install dnsmasq on her machine, which is not22:19
jaegerbrew has it, though.22:19
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jaegerI've installed both on my work laptop and they're playing ok together so far22:20
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joacimI think they should tolerate eachother22:40
joacimI guess it'll be fine when both install their own files in their own directories instead of sharing /usr/local22:41
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jaegerfink still uses /sw by default so that's probably not a problem23:55
jaegerwe shall see23:55
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