IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2014-08-26

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cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: eudev: install prebuild man-pages05:33
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: eudev: add --disable-manpages to avoid net access if libxslt is installed05:48
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xveehi guys06:12
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diversethat was short lived...08:29
Romsterxvee is always short lived08:51
diverseRomster: true to that09:01
diverseAny gamers familiar with Twitch?09:01
diverseApparently Amazon bought them out recently for $97009:01
diverse*970 million09:02
diverseand Amazon is having an "All Video Games Gold Box Event" with special deals thoughtout the whole day today, incase anyone wants to empty their wallets:
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RomsterTwitch streaming services?09:11
diverseRomster: yeah09:15
joacimhope that sale includes norway09:36
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diversejoacim: did you verify that it does?09:43
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joacimnot yet. will look when i get home10:27
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: ncmpc: 0.22 -> 0.2412:58
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: mpd: 0.18.11 -> 0.18.1212:58
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: p5-net-dns: 0.78 -> 0.7913:12
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: vala: 0.25.1 -> 0.25.213:13
teK_cruxbot seems to be fixed, isn't? :)13:13
teK_and yes I "did" that13:13
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: wireshark: 1.10.7 -> 1.12.013:18
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libjpeg: replaced by libjpeg-turbo13:19
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libmng: updated to 2.0.213:19
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libpng: updated to 1.6.713:19
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: gvim: upate to 7.4.9413:19
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: apr: update to 1.5.0, apr-utils: update to 1.5.313:19
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diverseteK_: umm... ^13:19
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diverseteK_: you spoke too soon13:20
teK_Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.13:20
diverseteK_: I wonder how your "significant other" will think about this? :P13:24
teK_she's not gossipy13:25
diverseteK_: not that one, the other one, hence the quotes :P13:26
diverse(for a second there I thought you were calling him a "she")13:29
teK_maybe I meant the other one by  referring to 'her' anyway? :P13:29
diverseoh okay13:29
diverseteK_: now I kind of feel bad talking behind 'her' back. :P13:31
teK_stop it already :D13:32
diverseNow I'm coming up with so many jokes, I can't help myself13:36
teK_note the fact that he is opped13:36
teK_we have had nine kicks in #crux since 201013:38
diverseteK_: frinnst is a cool guy, plus he doesn't care about what I say. Plus with all the standoffs you 2 were having, you might have already been kicked out from those 8 or 9 times... oh fuck... I'm screwed, aren't I?13:40
diversethat explains all the kicks from #crux :P13:43
teK_gotta pick up my significant other. rb.13:43
diversenice chatting with you13:44
frinnstI dont think i've ever triggered a cruxbot spam-flood when pushing14:32
frinnstWhat kind of magic do you do when pushing?14:33
teK_and with you, diverse14:40
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pedja(wrt popler-glib update) i get this error (files already installed), but 'prt-get fsearch $foo' doesn't find any of the files.16:46
frinnstprobably because they arent really owned by any package. as in they are automagically created if you have qt5 installed16:48
frinnstgrep after them in your db16:49
pedjafrinnst: yup, they are in the db.16:53
pedja I will modify poppler-glib not to build them, and make poppler-qt5 port, then.16:56
juepedja: guess we need a additional '--disable-qt5' in poppler, poppler-glib and poppler-qt4?17:08
jueshould be read as --disable-poppler-qt5 ;)17:10
pedjajue: since qt5 is in opt now, yes :)17:11
jueok, will do17:12
pedjakde devs have a wicked sense of humor, with 'systemd will be hard dep for kde5.x' :)17:13
pedjapartially true, it will be for wayland part ;).for now...17:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: poppler: disable build of the qt5 library17:18
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: poppler-glib: disable build of the qt5 library17:18
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: poppler-qt4: disable build of the qt5 library17:18
pedjanow, THATS what I call user support.Suck it, *buntu ;)17:23
frinnst<pedja> kde devs have a wicked sense of humor, with 'systemd will be hard dep for kde5.x' :)17:26
diversewas that on april fools day?17:28
Rotwanglets have everything dependent on the init system17:28
Rotwangis of great idea17:28
pedjaafk (beer time [tm])17:30
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cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: btrfs-progs: updated to 3.1618:21
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frinnstpedja: so it will not be a hard dep for kde 5.x.. it will be a hard dep for wayland-kwin19:26
frinnstpretty big difference :)19:26
pedjafrinnst: yes, but the reaction of the people is interesting.given the borg mentality of systemd devs, who knows what's in the future :)19:31
pedjai don't care about kde that much, but  I have high hopes in xfce devs sanity.19:32
pedjapool of non-systemd distros is shrinking rapidly.'Come to Crux, we have cookies (and no systemd in forseable(sp?) future' :)19:34
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jaegerwe seem to be rapidly approaching a time when there will be no alternative19:38
pedjajaeger: how will this work ?
jaegerno idea19:42
pedjasince systemd is very linux specific19:42
pedjahopefully, Linus will bust some heads/kick some dev ass :)19:43
pedjabut, i am not holding my breath...19:44
tklni don't think he really gives a shit, after all it's user space stuff.19:46
pedjatkln: he gives a shit when they break userspace or kernel debug ability19:47
pedjatakeover of kernel komand line switches is a BadIdea[tm]19:49
tklnyeah, but i don't think single occurrences like that will have much effect on the general trend of systemd spreading.19:51
pedjatkln: agreed.19:52
pedjakitchen-sink init.what's not to like.19:53
pedjaevery time i look at hardware prices in eu, i cry a little.then i look at us prices, and cry some more :)20:02
pedjaj/k, no crying.20:02
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diversepedja: I wouldn't get your hopes up about Linus fighting off the systemd brigade, the only thing he cares about most is no interference with his kernel development.20:11
diverseif you mess with his kernel, you are definitely going down20:11
diverseI wonder why systemd would even be a hard dep for kwin in wayland, I find that hard to reason about. Unless wayland is becoming a systemd convert...20:13
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diverseIf it taking over everything, before you know, you might hear people say: "Oh yeah, systemd, great operating system, the only thing it lacks is a decent init system" :P20:36
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nrxtxjaeger: if there will be the time of no alternative time has come to use the bsd kernel :D22:05
nrxtxthe parts the wayland-* is using of systemd is the session creation/user verification at login22:05
nrxtxshould not be hard to patch that out22:05
diversenrxtx: why is wayland using systemd at all?22:06
nrxtxlogin verification in weston22:06
diversethat's weird22:07
diverseif the *bsds want to use wayland they would want to patch that out anyway22:08
nrxtxwayland itself does not depend on systemd. the window manager weston/wayland-kwin use the session manager of systemd for login22:08
nrxtxdiverse: exactly22:08
diverseI see22:08
nrxtxand as long qt/kde wants to be cross-platform they have to provide a non-systemd way22:08
diversehopefully there will be more choice in WMs that don't use a session manager in wayland22:11
diversenrxtx: the likely hood of most X11 WMs being ported to wayland is pretty small, I assume?22:18
nrxtxbefore that is going to happen driver for most of the graphic chips need to be provided, most only support x22:19
nrxtxhave some wayland ports around, started to get weston working without systemd22:20
nrxtxlast time i tried it was possible by default running it without systemd if you provide a login/session before using weston22:21
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teK___< hashbreaker> Nice to see systemd finally integrating Firefox into pid 1. The benchmarks show clear improvements in the post-boot browser startup latency.23:22
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BitPuffinpkgadd: rejecting etc/udev/udev.conf, keeping existing version23:49
BitPuffinwell gonna have to look at that tomorrow23:51
BitPuffinit's sleepytime23:51
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