IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2014-08-29

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diverseteK___: that's not a surprise, systemd == redrat after all05:13
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: ruby-doc: update to 2.1.207:34
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: sqlite3-ruby: update to 1.3.907:34
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: mysql-ruby: rebuild for ruby 2.107:34
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: squid: update to 3.4.707:34
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: lvm2: update to 2.02.11007:34
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: libdevmapper: update to 1.02.8907:36
frinnsthow can outlook suck so bad?07:43
frinnstThe program OUTLOOK.EXE version 14.0.7113.5000 stopped interacting with Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is available, check the07:43
frinnstworking with this crap makes me dumber and dumber for every passing day08:06
FeigrimI can confirm this08:07
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z3braHi !09:29
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: rrdtool: 1.4.7 -> 1.4.809:35
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diversefrinnst: can't you use thunderbird instead or something?11:47
diverseor does your job require that you stick to outlook?11:47
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frinnstits not for me, it was for a customer13:14
frinnsti use thunderbird at work13:14
frinnsti dont think outlook runs on crux :)13:14
diversefrinnst: unless you use wine, perhaps. :P13:39
diverseI understood from your context that outlook had to do with your work (because you usually complain about your job here)13:45
teK___I am not his job13:46
diverseteK___: are you saying he is your job? :P13:47
teK___not at all, because I am not complaining13:48
diverseso frinnst doesn't complain about you and you don't complain about frinnst13:51
diverseit's pretty much what you said13:52
diverseteK___: so what's happening? More news with systemd'estruction?13:59
teK___dunno, working on my thesis which only partially includes working with VS2014 and kernel-stuff, so I got my share of pain, OK?14:00
diverseI see, fair enough14:00
diversewriting a kernel using VS sounds agonizing14:02
teK___it's about kernel hooking14:02
teK___and there's code I can use as a starting point, so I guess I got lucky14:02
diversedoesn't sound as bad as you say?14:03
teK___I am just starting so I can only judge by my general disgust felt for most MS technology. so I am not following a prejudice14:04
diverseyou use vim, right?14:05
teK___oh and I share the hate on outlook ;)14:05
teK___I do.14:05
teK___even on Windows.14:05
diverseUnless I'm thinking of Eclipse, I think there might be a way to integrate the gvim editor into VS with some extension14:05
teK___I don't plan on using too much time on that front any way14:06
teK___I need to see which events need (not present) hooking, do that and afterwards work with the event-data in user-space: pack it up and blow it through the network to my server that will be implemented in $FOO14:06
diversesounds like a nice project14:08
diversefor fun14:12
teK___but it's mandatory and you know what is said about mandatory things ;)14:14
teK___also: I am expected to produce 70+ pages thesis alongside my coding14:14
diverseah, the paper...14:15
teK___I feel a little un-clever there as a project without coding has fewer risks wrt functionalities and should be less work, too14:15
teK___but then again.. I have too much spare time anyway :D14:16
diversecoding should be a fun thing though, even if mandatory, however you do have condolences about the thesis paper14:17
teK___it can be frustrating, too :p14:17
teK___I had to make some rather obscure kernel/network setup for my bachelor's.14:18
teK___at one point I had to call: iptables -A FORWARD somerule ; iptables -D FORWARD somerule to make that crap work. Debugging this wasnt fun at all :D14:19
diverseiptables does sound like a pain to use14:21
teK___it's okay for standard tasks14:21
diverseso what would you rather do first? The coding or the paper?14:23
teK___last time I did the coding, more coding. my personal deadline approached so I switched to writing and only did minor adjustments during that phase14:23
teK___the current plan is to distribute writing and coding in a pseudo-parallel manner to not get that much write-load again14:24
diverseI suppose doing the paper first might be better because it can help outline your thoughts about the coding?14:24
teK___in my experience, work in these areas is too experimental to plan theoretically and then execute in practice14:25
teK___I am going to do an outline of my design, the involved components and for the greater part the libraries but things may not work out as planned, so I am cautious in that area14:26
diverseso get the practice first to understand the theory better?14:27
diversebut I guess you want to do it incrementally back and forth14:27
teK___ideally, yes14:28
diversesounds like a plan14:30
teK___I have to say that the experiences I collected during my bachelor's seem to be helping tremendously for the current thesis. Not so much the technical stuff but the organisation of the paper, TeX termplates, quoting and scientific writing in general _should_ not be as hard as the last time14:30
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teK___It appears that I even evolved in some way ;)14:30
diversethat's good14:31
diversewriting thesis seems kind of daunting for me14:31
teK___I am not making this up and I admit that I kinda went to an extreme degree but I had to see three types of doctors after the last thesis ;)14:32
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diverseyep, that will do it18:21
diverse:syntax on, ftw18:22
diversealso :set nocompatible, screw vi-defaults18:25
diverseteK___: ^18:54
teK___then: forget to type m, run vi and get 10000 errors :p18:58
diverseteK___: alias vi="vim" then18:59
diverseyes I know your joking too19:00
diversebtw, why do you need those extra underscores in your nick?19:00
teK___bbecause freenode didnt let me regiter teK if though nobody had that nick set19:03
teK___(i.e. it sucks ;))19:03
diversechange your nick to teKrocKs then19:04
teK___of course19:09
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nrxtxteK___: "tek" hasn't been used for a year, normally you can ask freenode staff to free it20:50
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