IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2014-09-01

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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: gst-plugins-good: 1.4.0 -> 1.4.108:32
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: gst-plugins-bad: 1.4.0 -> 1.4.108:32
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: gst-plugins-ugly: 1.4.0 -> 1.4.108:32
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: gst-libav: 1.4.0 -> 1.4.108:32
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: orc: 0.4.19 -> 0.4.2208:51
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: libdevmapper: update to 1.02.9009:22
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: tzdata: update to 2014g09:22
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: sysklogd: rotatelog: don't truncate logfile if cp fails09:22
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: libgphoto2: update to 2.5.5.109:23
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: lvm2: update to 2.02.11109:23
Romsterlvm2 again...09:32
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: orc-32: 0.4.19 -> 0.4.2209:38
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: libpng-32: 1.6.12 -> 1.6.1309:38
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: eudev-32: 1.9 -> 1.1009:38
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sepenhi09:50
sepenanyone in here having problems with godaddy DNS ATM?09:50
Romsterhttp://backend.downdetector.com/status/go-daddy 5 reports09:51
Romsterdoens't affect me directly.09:52
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Romstermake that 19 reports sepen10:04
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sepenmy zone is down pfffffffffff10:06
sepenI talked with goddady10:06
Romsteryour probably best to move to another carrier, they don't seem, that reliable.10:13
Romsterno backup mx records?10:13
Romsteror what ever service your running10:13
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sepenRomster: they fixed it10:38
sepenwas a global issue with godaddy DNS10:38
sepenmy entire dns zone was down, mx, spf, txt, a, aaa, soa, ns, ...10:39
sepentoo busy now :P10:41
Romsterah10:43
Romsterpretty damn bad when everything is affected10:46
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: wine: 1.7.24 -> 1.7.2511:00
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frinnsthttp://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html13:08
frinnstso lennarts solution: bedrock linux / static binaries?13:09
RomsterRealistic testing is extremely unreliable and next to impossible.13:27
Romstergasp that's why we have an API version13:28
Romsterand each port should have a strict requirement on the minium version of a port to satisfy all the functions required and number of arguments to each function and expected behavior/results.13:29
Romster"For example, the path where to put x86-64 libraries is different on Fedora and Debian derived systems.." so what libtool pkg-config lists them paths.13:30
Romsterthis write up is dumb13:30
RomsterMany users are used to app markets13:32
Romster-_-13:32
Romsterwhats wrong with a package manager with a list of packages with descriptions, one can choose.13:33
RomsterWe want an efficient way that allows vendors to package their software13:35
Romsterwe tried that linux standard base rpm. no one wanted to stick with rpm except redhat.13:36
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Romster... seriously containers in btrfs with all the necessary libraries and everything for each program13:38
Romsterall the extra over ehad of multiple library versions loaded not to mention relying on one filesystem btrfs.13:39
RomsterLinux is about choice an lennarts solutions all point to making linux windows like.13:40
Romsterwhy is he even allowed to touch stuff in linux, if i was linus i'd tell him to get out your fired.13:40
Romsterand for the bit about tools for building for embedded micros not existing... they do exist.13:42
Romsterlennart is all about making these snapshot container images of everything requored and archiving them and offering them for any Linux system much like a *.msi for installing in windows.13:43
Romstermore tools to build those. lets make a ton of them binary no source in the future.13:44
Romsterlock us in to there stuff \o/13:44
Romsterthis direction sucks arse big time.13:45
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Romsterhonestly, i feel this will be the death of linux. and more hello to corporate greed and monopolize.13:48
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RobinStamerIs this the systemd idiot?13:50
diverseRobinStamer: yes13:50
diversethe problem isn't really him though, it's how redrat backs him and pulls all the strings in the background. Because redrat has a major influence on Linux, with them there, this kind of shit is going to happen anyway.13:52
diverseThe important thing for us, is how we continue to use Linux our way.13:53
RobinStamerSo I did an install but I derped and didn't install xorg, is there a simple way to install all of it?13:54
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RomsterRobinStamer, yes13:58
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RomsterRobinStamer, also yes, prt-get depinst xorg13:58
Romster(after a ports -u)13:59
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RobinStamerYeah14:02
RobinStamerAlready had to get syslinux; looks like I forgot to compile the network driver :/14:03
Romsterwifi?14:03
RobinStamerVM, had built syslinux in the chroot from the LCD14:03
Romsteroh your using a VM14:04
RobinStamerYeah, just test driving ATM14:05
RobinStamerLiking it so far though14:05
Romsterit might be a bit more work, but you gain a lot more freedom to tweak to your hearts content.14:07
RobinStamerIs it x86_64 bit only or does the CD just do some voodoo to autopick the kernel?14:07
Romsterit's multilib now actually.14:07
RobinStamerI have 32-bit machines.  Will it install on them?14:08
Romsterwith only glibc-32 and a multilib gcc and the kernel with the 32bit compatibility enabled.14:08
Romsterno14:08
Romstercrux 2.8 was the last true i686 release.14:09
RobinStamerSo it's x86_64 only.14:09
RobinStamerAh, noted.14:09
Romstercrux 3.x will only run on x86_64 hardware but it'll support 32bit apps with 64bit apps.14:09
Romsterbeen talk of doing up a more recent crux i686 set of overlay packages. some have a few already but nothing solid as of yet.14:10
Romsteri thought about it but i got enough ports to look after as it is and really haven't got a x86 need anymore myself.14:10
RobinStamerI guess only having to support one arch is a notable plus for the support team14:10
nrxtxThe future of systemd based systems: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html14:11
Romsterwhen i have like 300+ ports to maintain it is.14:11
Romsteri read it nrxtx14:12
Romsterfrinnst, posted it above ^14:12
nrxtxsounds like a lightweight system ;) hopefully some will always maintain classic unix systems14:14
Romsterby the looks of it it'll always be a hobby to maintain a light system like crux.14:16
Romsterthat's if systemd doesn't kill us off.14:16
Romsterand pulseaudio ugh14:16
RobinStamerMy first experiences with pulseaudio was on slackware with KDE.  Kept wondering where the cats were breaking glass, until I realize that breaking glass was the error dialog sound, and pulseaudio delayed the sound by at least 10 seconds.14:18
nrxtxbefore using systemd i'll patch and hack the hell out of my favorite tools if they are going to move to it :)14:19
Romster10 seconds eww14:19
RobinStamerYeah14:19
Romsterme too nrxtx14:19
RobinStamerI was baffled at why anyone would tollerate that much delay.14:20
Romstercompiles webkitgtk 2.5.314:20
RobinStamerEven 1 sec is horrible.14:20
Romsterjack14:20
Romsterbut no one wants to support that. except professional audio programs.14:20
RobinStamerALSA for life.14:20
Romstershould be used everywhere on modern hardware its not a resource hog.14:21
Romsteralsa as a second choice.14:21
Romsterheck we still got ossv4 for hevens sake. just wont die.14:21
nrxtxRomster: do you use jack?14:21
Romsterhad in the past14:25
Romstergoing to bed g'night14:32
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frinnstI ran pulseaudio on my old scientific workstation install (rhel)14:51
frinnstit made sound digital14:51
frinnsteither off or VERY ON14:51
joacimnever used any of these new craps15:07
tilmanjoacim still pipes au files into /dev/pcm15:07
joacimI'll probably end up with system d on my vps soon15:07
joacimi program my computer with front panel switches15:08
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frinnstawesome, 3.17-rc3 also locks up when cpu is under load18:33
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deus_exbind-9.9.5-P1 is out, so you might want to update bindutils.19:45
frinnstis the old tarball removed?19:47
deus_exfrinnst: from the site?yes19:51
blueness@crux developers, upstream systemd is removing userland firmsware loading support -> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/?id=be2ea723b1d023b3d385d3b791ee4607cbfb20ca20:51
bluenesseudev could keep it, its needed on older kernels, but almost all newer kernels don't need this20:52
bluenessdoes crux still need it?20:52
blueness(i've got to run now but you can pm me or answer in #gentoo-udev)20:53
tilmanthis seems to just bump the minimum supported kernel from 3.0 to 3.7, right?20:53
bluenessyes20:53
bluenessbut what about people still stuck on 2.6.32 ???20:53
bluenessi don't think crux is in that boat20:54
bluenesstilman, anyhow let me know ... laters20:54
tilmanthanks for the heads up!20:54
tilmanfrinnst, jaeger, jue, tek: see what blueness said about userland firmware loading and get back to him please20:55
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frinnst3.1 shipped with 3.12 so no worries for us21:27
frinnstsent him a msg21:28
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