IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2014-09-28

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Romsterfrinnst, the kernel bug finder01:59
Romsterme everything else.01:59
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: xz-32: 5.0.6 -> 5.0.702:08
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: glib-32: 2.40.0 -> 2.40.202:08
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: xorg-xtrans-32: 1.3.4 -> 1.3.502:08
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dennisfilehello?03:30
rmulldennisfile: hi03:31
dennisfileI am currently trying to upgrade an old version of CRUX to patch the "shellshock" bug in bash03:31
dennisfileRunning "ports -u" updates /usr/ports/core/bash, but only to a version around 4.203:32
dennisfileTrying to manually get the latest version of the bash port works properly03:32
dennisfileBut eventually the build finishes with an error03:32
Romsterdennisfile, what crux version are you on?03:32
dennisfilehow would I tell? I think 2.x03:33
dennisfileSpecifically, I'm using MineOS, though this question is (I'm pretty sure) related to CRUX alone03:35
Romstercrux03:36
Romsterin a terminal03:36
Romsteroh this is crux not mineos03:36
dennisfileoh! version 2.7, then03:36
Romsteralso ports -u but we haven't touched crux 2.7 in a very long time are you stuck on 32bit cpu?03:37
dennisfileNo, I'm on 64-bit03:37
dennisfileI'm not sure if there's a safe way to update CRUX, especially since MineOS hasn't updated as far as I know03:37
Romster2.7 wasn't 64bit officially... unless yu got the 64bit unoffical ports03:38
Romsterwe are now at 3.1 multilib03:38
Romsteryour way behind03:38
dennisfileI got what came with MineOS. I'm guessing I got the unofficial ports.03:38
dennisfileHow would I go about upgrading to 3.1? Would I need to overwrite everything?03:38
dennisfileIf you're interested, the error I'm getting (from pkgmk) is http://pastebin.com/stMRFESb03:39
Romsteryou could try to copy the /etc/ports/core.rsync file to /etc/ports/core-3.1.rsync03:39
Romsteredit it change the /usr/ports/core to /usr/ports/core-3.103:39
Romsterports -u03:39
Romstercd /usr/ports/core-3.1/bash03:39
Romsterpkgmk03:39
dennisfileWouldn't that just be the same as getting the newer bash port via rsync, which didn't work properly?03:39
Romsterpkgmk -u03:39
dennisfileAgain, the compilation of the new bash version fails - see http://pastebin.com/stMRFESb03:40
Romsterif it builds or not is another thing03:40
Romsterworth a try.03:40
dennisfileI'm guessing (very hypothetically) that another dependency is out of date03:40
Romsterif it fails then yes03:40
Romsterfinddeps bash03:40
Romsterin a terminal03:40
dennisfilefinddeps isn't installed for me...03:41
Romstermore than likely glibc is too old... ouch that starts to get painful if you bump that.03:41
Romsterprt-get depinst prt-utils03:41
Romsterdidn't mineos change to another distro later on?03:42
dennisfileyeah, but I'm still on the CRUX version03:42
Romsteri don't know why they didn't just use crux as is and added there own ports collection on top.03:42
dennisfileI think they *did* just add a collection of ports (along with some install scripts etc)03:42
dennisfilefinddeps bash gives me glibc, ncurses, and readline03:42
Romsterhttp://mineos.codeemo.com/ forbidden hmm?03:42
Romsteryeah any of those could be stopping it. ncurses and readline be ok to bump but i'd think twice on glibc it might break your system.03:43
Romsterwith out other dependencies.03:43
dennisfileMineOS is clearly no longer under active development; when I have time, I'm planning to move either to CRUX 3.1 or to Arch03:43
Romstercrux 3.1 upgrade would have to be done from 3.0 first.03:44
Romsteror do a fresh install.03:44
Romsterthen you could add in mineos ports on top of that.03:44
dennisfileI'm likely to just do a fresh install on another partition, and move stuff over; I'll probably just use some other Minecraft software instead of the MineOS stuff03:45
dennisfileI'm trying to update readline now...03:45
Romsterhttp://minecraft.codeemo.com/ there it is...03:46
Romsterat the very least you could try to apply the patches to the older bash03:47
dennisfileReadline and ncurses updated fine03:47
Romsterif bash builds now then your ok else it'll be pain if you update only glibc.03:47
dennisfileI can find a patch for the second shellshock bug, but not for the first one (I think people are expected to just update bash for that.)03:47
dennisfileYES! the new bash worked!!!!03:48
dennisfile4.3.26(1) with the patch!03:48
dennisfileThank you so very very much!03:48
dennisfileThis saved me a lot of time!03:48
Romsterpersonally if i were you and got some experience crux 3.1 fresh install. and host your mineos somewhere and get it added to our http://crux.nu/portdb/03:48
Romsterok bear in mind if yo sysup you'll revert those you could prt-get lock them ports.03:48
Romsteror add prtdir /usr/ports/core-3.1:bash and the other 2 above core in /etc/prt-dir.conf03:49
Romsterdoubt you'd get updates off there site though03:49
dennisfileI'm likely to move away from the MineOS scripts, which I have slowly come to despise.03:49
dennisfileAny advice about CRUX vs Arch?03:50
Romsterpersonally but i'm biased as i'm in crux dev. would be fresh 3.1 install and just pkgfile mineos ports on top.03:50
Romsterarch systemd we have so far avoided that.03:50
dennisfileOK! Thanks for your advice, and for helping me get bash up to date!03:50
Romsterarch is probably a bit easier to deal with but less easy to package stuff. but then crux is easier to package but fewer ports.03:50
Romsterpersonally i like the tweakability of crux03:51
Romsterand it does not get in the way.03:51
dennisfileYeah, I've liked CRUX so far, but there are a few programs I haven't been able to get working properly; I think I might have better luck with Arch.03:52
Romsterput it another way mineos might even be on arch already less effort probably.03:52
Romsterwhat programs are those?03:52
dennisfileMineOS actually is available for Arch (among other distros).03:52
dennisfileSpecifically, ub-split-map (https://github.com/crustymonkey/ub-split-map).03:52
dennisfileTo install that, you need unbind, and you need to compile it with python support; the latter doesn't seem to work for me.03:52
dennisfileRight now, I'm OK with using bind, but ub-split-map seems much simpler.03:53
dennisfile*BIND03:53
dennisfileI've also tried to get a Garry's Mod server running, but (apparently) it doesn't work because my version of CRUX doesn't have proper 32bit support.03:53
Romstersudo pip install ub-split-map03:53
Romstershould just work in crux.03:53
Romsterunternitvely if oyu made Pkgfiles pastebin or yourhost location of it and i'll give it a try.03:54
dennisfileThe issue is that ub-split-map is a plugin for the Unbound DNS server, which needs to be compiled with proper Python support.03:54
Romsteri'm in dev so if something isn't too intrusive or a workaround can be made..03:54
Romsterin some cases we make a foo-python bindings port03:55
dennisfileOK. I'll certainly look into it further, though (in case you can't tell) I know rather little about running a server properly03:55
Romsteror we might be able to enable it in the port or leat of all a modifedport to do the job you can host with that other port.03:55
dennisfilehmm...03:55
dennisfileYeah, I should look into this further.03:55
Romsterthat is the other thing about crux it makes you learn.03:56
Romsterand makes you a better person for knowing more.03:56
dennisfileYeah, I've definitely become *much* more comfortable with the command line since I started using MineOS.03:56
Romsterits a bit daunting at first but we can help.03:57
dennisfileAgain, thank you so much for your help!03:57
Romsteri can't see taht port being a major issue to get compiled with what dependencies it needs.03:57
Romsteri've done bigger dependency trees than that.03:57
Romsterno problem03:58
dennisfileBye!03:58
Romsterat elast your safe form shellshock03:58
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: qt5: 5.3.1 -> 5.3.207:40
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: cutemaze: initial commit07:44
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Romsterhttp://crux.nu/bugs/index.php?do=details&task_id=1062 does that make any sense to anyone?10:35
Romstername=xorg-xcb-proto version=1.1110:36
RomsterBuilding '/var/ports/packages/xorg-libxcb-32#1.11-1.pkg.tar.xz' succeeded10:36
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: xorg-libxcb: remove duplicate dependency xorg-xcb-proto10:52
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: xorg-libxcb-32: update Description10:55
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nrxtxRomster: can you update youtube-dl?12:40
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: youtube-dl: 2014.07.15 -> 2014.09.28.112:53
Romsternrxtx, ^12:53
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cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: bash: updated to 4.3.27. (official patches)14:02
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: bash: cleanup14:04
Romsterok to push pull yet or is there more vulnerabilitys to be patched14:05
Romster-push14:05
frinnstwho knows. I havent been able to keep up with it14:06
Romsternether have i14:07
nrxtxthx14:09
rmullHas anyone ever used a PCI-E x8 GPU (instead of x16) GPU?14:10
Romsternope but it should just work (tm) except less datatransfer speed14:18
Romsterso lower resolutions?14:18
Romsterframerate14:18
rmullWonder if it's goon enough for a non-gamer for watching HD movies and stuff14:33
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foobar_hey14:38
foobar_is there an uptodate tutorial for using cryptsetup on crux?14:38
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joacimrmull: I'd think any graphics card is good enough for that16:52
joacimanything somewhat recent i mean16:52
joacimmy PCI Riva TNT is not made for the task =)16:52
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joacimMy old GeForce 7600GT was good enough for it, and I know people used older AGP cards for high resolution desktop tasks16:56
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rmulljoacim: Good to know, thanks17:01
joacimwhich card are you talking about?17:04
rmullOnly one I saw on Newegg is a GeForce GT72017:04
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joacimmy Intel HD 3000 is good enough for HD video. I've even done 4k video on this system (downscaled to 1080p).17:11
joacimnot sure how the GT720 compares to my intel chip from 201117:11
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frinnstrmull: yeah that shouldnt be a problem. Guess it depends on the gpu support18:19
frinnstradeons should handle it great18:19
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jaegerfailed once again to get vfio vga passthrough working properly in qemu19:21
jaegerI got further this time but no matter what I tried my GTX 680 shows up with error code 43 in the windows guest19:21
frinnstduring driver install?19:38
jaegerafter driver install19:47
jaegeroddly, windows will use it as the main display in the VM but performance is crap due to the driver not actually working19:47
jaegerI also had audio stuttering in the VM but that was unrelated19:48
diversejaeger: did you get your gtx 970?19:53
jaegernot yet, still out of stock19:53
frinnstwin32 or 64?19:54
jaeger6419:54
jaeger8.119:54
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frinnstand are you using passthrough for audio as well?19:54
jaegerno passthrough on audio, just vga19:55
jaegeraudio using -soundhw hda19:55
frinnstwoah, and you get it working? windows cant find a driver for me with hda19:55
frinnstwin7 64 for me19:55
jaegerIt worked without any effort, no external driver was needed19:55
jaegerwith that said, have you tried the generic realtek driver?19:55
frinnsthm, maybe i should try 8.1.. but god, the UI19:56
jaeger8.1 isn't as bad as 8, you can avoid the metro UI most of the time19:56
frinnstyeah, "most" of the time :)19:56
frinnstim still confused as fuck when i try to do something system related, such as access the control panel or whatnot19:56
jaegerI run it on my main box, doesn't bother me in the least19:56
jaegeryou can usually just hit the windows key and start typing something, as well, to get where you want19:57
jaegera la win7 start menu19:57
frinnstand it still bothers me to no end that a "regular" user really cant find it. sure you can right click on the "start" button, or use keyboard shortcuts19:57
frinnst.. if you know about it19:57
jaegerdoesn't really get in my way but of course it's subjective19:58
frinnstthe typing dont always work. when i type "update" - on some systems it displays windows update, on others it shows java update19:58
frinnstoh well, </rant> :)19:58
jaegerdon't type it and hit enter, type it and wait, then select from the list19:58
frinnstyes i know, but sometimes it doesnt display it19:59
jaegerif it doesn't, it isn't indexed yet, I'd guess19:59
jaegerI always get the same list19:59
frinnstyeah that might be it19:59
jaegerJust not right after a fresh install, it takes a few seconds then19:59
frinnsto havent really used 8.1 - only 2012r219:59
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frinnsti still giggle like a schoolgirl whenever i mount a iso and the balloon pops up suggesting "that i tap to start"20:00
jaegerheh20:00
diversei'd tap that :P20:02
diverseso in windows 8.1, it allows mounting iso files now?20:02
diverseout of the box I mean20:03
frinnstI dont know, i mean mounting in vmware20:03
frinnstso "inserting a cd" might be more apropriate20:03
diverseit's fine, I just didn't understand the context20:05
frinnsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0CRWAz09r820:05
frinnstgive me my startmenu back!20:05
diverselooking at that video, I didn't realized how "revolutionary" the startmenu back then was20:12
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diversefor win8, aren't there third-party start menus you can use?20:15
jaegerquite a few, yeah20:15
joacimI hate the start menu. It always turns into a mess20:17
joacimuninstallers, documentation, and website links everywhere20:17
joacimand three different folders for ea games20:18
joacimthe idea is good, but developers and publishers abuse it20:18
joacimI see the same kind of crap when developers and publishers used to working with windows try to make software for os x20:19
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_d0tHi. Does CRUX have stages like gentoo? I'd like to set up a CRUX chroot.23:01
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jaegerIt doesn't but that's rather easy to do23:03
_d0thow? Without installing it into a VM preferably.23:03
jaegerfrom a crux host or other?23:03
_d0tfrom a gentoo host23:03
jaegerthere are a couple ways23:04
jaegerthe first would be installing pkgutils on your gentoo host23:04
jaegerthen you create the chroot dir and pkgadd all the crux packages23:04
jaegerthe other would be just to untar the crux packages into the chroot dir23:04
jaegerboth work but the former method has the advantage of respecting package management23:04
_d0twhat are the base packages I need?23:05
jaegereverything in the core dir on the ISO23:05
_d0tok, thx23:06
jaegernp23:06
_d0tone more thing23:06
_d0twhats the wine status in crux?23:07
jaegerit works. version 1.7.27 or so23:07
_d0tthank you23:08
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