IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2014-10-01

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rmullTime to start thinking about reinstalling crux! Who has the link to the updated 3.1 ISO?04:15
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prologicrmull: it should be on the website04:53
prologicI believe we ship hybrid isos now04:54
prologicso you can dd it to your usb stick of choice04:54
rmullI went ahead and used that one - I thought someone was usually maintaining an "unofficial" iso on their own server, but looks familiar05:03
rmullThanks buddy05:03
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Romsterrmull, that is the unofficial one07:51
frinnstbut in this case it looks to be the official 3.1 iso. iirc jaeger talked about doing a updated iso in the coming days08:01
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: nmap: 6.46 -> 6.4708:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: freealut: fix source url08:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: xmltvau: dropped08:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: xmltv: dropped08:22
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.0]: p5-xml-twig: dropped08:22
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: spice-protocol: 0.12.6 -> 0.12.709:07
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libjpeg: replaced by libjpeg-turbo09:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libmng: updated to 2.0.209:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libpng: updated to 1.6.709:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: gvim: upate to 7.4.9409:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: apr: update to 1.5.0, apr-utils: update to 1.5.309:08
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frinnststupid stupid stupid bot09:23
frinnstoh noes, a customer recieved 4 spam emails in two days09:29
frinnstthe world is over!!! halt your work and take care of this major issue *NOW*09:29
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teK__I think I need a different DVI cable to make my 4k display run on more than 1080p09:48
teK__can this be right? I have mini hdmi now and randr says 1920 tops09:48
frinnstI dont think a regular single channel dvi can handle that much more than ~1920 or whatever09:50
frinnstold standard hdmi cable?09:50
frinnstdisplayport ftw09:50
teK__my vga has no dp09:51
teK__I thought of a dual something dvi cable09:51
frinnstWQUXGA (3,840 � 2,400) @ 33 Hz with GTF blanking (2 � 159 MHz)09:55
frinnstseems to be max09:55
teK__it's hard to figure out what my card uses09:57
joacim buy a card with dp?09:58
frinnstsays mr vga09:58
frinnstvoodoo2 doesnt support displayport!09:58
joacimvoodoo 5500 then09:58
teK__it's a GTX570 and I hoped to put GTA V on it, too09:59
joacimThis is exactly what I need, but I'm not paying 20 + 30 euro for it10:00
teK__a new card in my performance class would cost 200 bucks10:05
teK__btw frinnst are there different HDMI version _cables_ too?10:05
teK__High Speed HDMI Cable – 1080p, 4K, 3D and deep color  <--10:06
frinnstyes, different standars i think10:10
teK__did you see this: HDMI manufacturers pay an annual fee of US$10,000 plus a royalty rate of $0.15 per unit, reduced to $0.05 if the HDMI logo is used, and further reduced to $0.04 if HDCP is also implemented.10:11
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frinnstergo why displayport exists :)10:12
joacimDP is lovely10:12
teK__the next card probably has that, too. Now I have miniHDMI and 2xDVI, so no 4k for me :)10:14
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cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: make: removed obsolete patches11:21
jaegeryes, different specs for both cables and connectors. My 2560x1440 monitor, for example, has HDMI but can only do native res over its DVI port and it has to be dual link11:24
jaegerIt's one of the older ones, though11:24
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teK__probably will go that  route, too11:36
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: cdrdao: fixes compile bug FS#106312:29
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: go: 1.3.1 -> 1.3.212:34
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: Merged with bcfe24b9a731ca3fc9f2a1aef647d49653bb050612:34
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: nvidia: updated to version 340.4613:04
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: nvidia-32: updated to version 340.4613:04
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diversewoohoo, I scored a gtx 980! \o/14:00
joacimthat card might help you score with a woman14:35
jaegerIf her name ends in .jpg :D15:07
rmullThanks for the link15:15
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rmullDoes anyone here have an Asus Zenbook, or similar ultrabook?15:18
rmullLooking for a decent laptop that works well with Linux15:18
jaegerI have a Lenovo X220. It's not quite ultrabook but it's very small and rock solid in linux15:20
jaegerI think they replaced it with the X240, though15:20
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jaegerhave you looked at as well?15:24
jaegereven if you didn't buy it from them you can check out their models, I imagine15:24
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rmullI had a lenovo machine a few years back and it killed me that there was a FN key where the CTRL key should have been15:26
rmullDo they still do that?15:26
jaegerIt's far left on mine if that's what you mean. I don't know about their current ones, though15:26
rmullYeah, that's what I mean15:28
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_root_hello folks;17:05
_root_did you miss me?17:05
_root_Is it possible to install crux from within another running linux distro (Chroot)?17:14
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pidsley-afk_root_: _d0t asked a similar question a few days ago: search for "chroot" in this log:
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Faym_root_: if you wanted to avoid "poluting" your host system with pkgutils.  You could make an initial chroot with a stage3 tarball from Gentoo.18:30
FaymThen chroot from that one into the new one.18:30
jaegerI usually just install pkgutils in a temporary location and remove it later18:33
jaegerthough either way works18:34
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cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: [notify] bash: updated to
frinnsthappy patching, folks!21:15
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novakfrinnst: Thanks.  Also a question: is there a reason /bin/bash is /bin/sh?  I would feel much better with dash or mksh as /bin/sh.21:31
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thetornainbownovak: why would you feel better about that?21:39
joacimone would have to maintain bash in core anyways, and having just bash simplifies things I guess21:40
novakthetorainbow: Because I'm a minimalist and always try to use the smallest thing that will do the job?21:41
thetornainbowdo you use the linux kernel?21:41
joacimyou seem slightly "triggered"21:42
novakYes, usually.21:42
novakI don't have time to port everything I want to BSDs.21:43
novakI wish I did.21:43
thetornainbowi imagine the same situation applies to bash. and dash is much worse as an interactive shell21:43
novakYou're right, I'm sure.  I didn't say I would exclusively use dash... Also ksh isn't bad.21:44
joacimI think the point is to use dash for #!/bin/sh scripts21:45
novakWell I'll let you know when stuff breaks...21:46
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_root_guys I am about to install crux on to my main desktop machine.22:04
_root_What security features crux provides?22:04
_root_there are some sensitive material on this machine and needs protecting22:04
joacimit is a very plain basic gnu+linux setup22:05
joacimyou secure it in any way you like22:05
_root_joacim, like what?22:05
_root_for Internet security and wifi protection!!!!22:06
joacimyou just install whatever you feel you need to secure your system. I just set my user account passwords and configured denyhosts22:07
_root_You mean Crux doesn't provide much. in terms of general operating System.22:07
_root_crux is for kids :)22:07
joacimI mean it provides the foundation. it is your job to add on top of that22:07
_root_I just kidding22:08
_root_joacim, i don't know what to add? I have no idea?22:08
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novak_root_: What part of the OS do you not think is secure?  Crux is fairly secure by default because there is not a lot of software turned on by default.22:15
_root_novak, WIFI connection and code execution22:15
novakI'm not sure what you would install to make a wifi connection safer, you pretty much have to use the encyption scheme provided by the router.22:16
novakThat being said WPA is not bad.22:16
novakAs far as code execution you have to compile your own kernel so I assume you can set it up however you think is secure, enabling ASLR or whatever you wish.22:19
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diverseactually I think having a dash/bash combo would be a good idea23:10
diversetools and init scripts written in dash for speed and bash for the interactive shell. By compartmentalizing the system for both shells for unique purposes will follow Unix philosophy. Also if a user wants to change to a different interactive shell, the system wouldn't be tied to bash23:14
diverseand dash is a very small shell anyway23:15
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novakdiverse, well, I switched.  I couldn't think of anything that ought to break so I figured I would give it a shot.23:22
novakI know, fun fun!23:24
diversenovak: lets see what the future holds ;)23:24
novakI'm sure I'll find somethiing to make me invent a few curse words before I realize I screwed myself...23:24
Worksteri've done stuff and hey all good then later on, uh now i find a problem.23:25
Worksternot really that bad sed the shebang lineto bash on stuff that brakes23:25
Worksteror fix the bashisms23:25
diversenovak: I meant in a optimistic way23:25
novakYeah, I mean, if it was actually a problem I could just switch back... diverse: you're just being optimistic because I have to fix it...23:27
diversenovak: pm23:27
prologicdiverse: +123:28
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