IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2014-11-19

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koriso today I killed my build user because I was too lazy to fix permissions00:23
koriR.I.P bob 2014-201400:23
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rmullnot long for this fair earth00:31
koribob was a good man he always built things but sadly, death comes to all things00:32
korithings things things things things things things00:32
koriplan for this month is to set up a chroot for ports to be built in00:32
_root_kori things?00:32
kori_root_: things00:32
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_root_What is the Crux docker?00:56
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_root_tilman hello01:06
_root_I mean what does it do? does it install crux docker. how? as I understand you need a working linux to use docker01:06
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: xscreensaver: 5.29 -> 5.3101:43
Romsterkori, it would work if you made a group and did root:pkgmk and altered umask for pkgmk.01:57
Romsterhttp://crux.nu/Wiki/ChrootTesting01:59
Romsterbut i've since had issues with chroot and have setup docker01:59
Romstermay be my kernel01:59
koriRomster: oh it's not as much for testing as it is for building02:01
koribasically, put everything in a box, shake the box around a bit, get a package02:02
kori;)02:02
Romsteryou might like pkg-clean i wrote for chroot use. it remvoes everything but core ports. for then testing prt-get depinst foo on another package.02:03
koriI think this may be very complicated to setup02:03
koribut it'd add an enormous amount of security02:03
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: openntpd: Improved init script02:15
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xeirrrJaeger: can you upload a new updated iso? the ISO hosted on crux.ninja seems to be broken.02:24
xeirrrjaeger: sorry for wrong spell.02:25
jaegerbroken how?02:37
jaegerI did an install with it today02:37
xeirrrI use dd with bs=1M then sync. but doesn't work02:42
jaegercheck the md5sum of the ISO and the media02:45
xeirrrwill do now02:47
jaegerto check the media you'll have to specify the size of the actual dded part02:48
jaegercount=$((sizeofISO/512))02:48
xeirrrSorry, md5sum doesn't match, I need to redownload it.02:52
xeirrrI never check md5sum before, I presume download should be good. Now I realize its a bad idea.02:56
jaegeryeah, failed downloads can happen02:58
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Workstertcp is meant to checksum it so it can't but it's not always reliable.03:14
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Worksterespecially on failed downloads and resuming03:14
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RobinStamerOr buggy server/clients05:12
Worksteror that, i'd expect that to be rare.05:20
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nbinoHello crux world, I'm a new user :)07:54
nwe_hello07:54
nbino:)07:55
nbinoAll night installing/configuring crux, morning ;)...07:56
nwe_hehe :) and now it?s up and running?07:59
nbinoyes, I have to study better, I have configured fakeroot07:59
nbinoI have created a group sudo, added my self and new grup pkpmk...08:00
nbinoprt-get downloads, builds the package but fails to install,08:01
nbinosays it needs root previleg08:01
nbinoI feel my computer full of awesomeness08:01
nbino:D08:01
nwe_to install package you must be root08:02
nwe_be root prt-get depinst <package>08:02
nwe_or be root /usr/ports/core/shadow (in there pkgmk -d -i) to build and install it..08:03
nbinohumm08:03
nwe_prt-get depinst <package> (will also install depencencies that the package needs.)08:04
nbinoI have follow more or less the wiki page "Post Installation Notes"08:06
nwe_oki08:06
nbinothere is some document I should read now ? I have no idea in terms of "security" than iptables firewall ...08:07
Romsteredit /etc/prt-get.conf08:08
nbinoHi Romster08:08
Romsteraddcommand      sudo pkgadd08:08
Romsterhi nbino08:08
Romsterif you set08:08
Romstermakecommand sudo -H -u pkgmk fakeroot nice -n10 pkgmk -in08:08
Romsteror similer you need root on addcommand and removecommand08:09
Romsterremovecommand    sudo pkgrm08:09
nbinothanks ! will do it now,08:10
Romstermight pay to extend the time on sudo for timeout.08:10
Romstertime to cmpiile to pkgadd execution can sometimes be awhile later.08:10
Romstercompile*08:11
nbinothe same for runscriptcommand ? ex: runscriptcommand sudo sh08:13
Romsteri'll brb kerneltypiclaly sudo runs from the wheel group. but a sudo group wont hurt providing you configured that in the sudoers file.08:14
nbinothanks alot,08:14
Romsterno that can be left as is08:14
nbinoI see that wheel sudo group is like a "standard"08:15
Romsteri'm gonna reboot in a bit due to a new kernel.08:15
nbino;)08:15
Romsteryeah the wheel group it's a standared been around for a long time08:15
Romsterwhy it's named wheel i do not know.08:16
Romsteri just added my user to sudoers file.08:16
Romsterso i can rn sudo but other users can not.08:16
Romsterrn/run08:16
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xeirrrRomster: How often do you update a kernel?08:20
nbinoIt come to my mind the linux libre,08:22
xeirrrlinux-libre doesn't wor08:24
xeirrrwork in my netbook08:24
nbinocd /usr/src/08:26
nbinoeish, must sleep, typing here... fail :D08:27
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xeirrrRomster: How often do you update a kernel?08:53
Romsterwhen ever i feel like it or when a later version of the one i'm on comes out or when it's end of line and not maintained anymore.08:56
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libjpeg: replaced by libjpeg-turbo08:57
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libmng: updated to 2.0.208:57
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: libpng: updated to 1.6.708:57
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: gvim: upate to 7.4.9408:57
cruxbot[opt.git/3.0]: apr: update to 1.5.0, apr-utils: update to 1.5.308:57
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RomsterteK_, crux bot needs seriosuly fixing at some point it prints out the same messages and floods itself off.08:58
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teK_I am going to stop pushing things to 3.0 soon any way09:08
teK_and again... I do NOT speak ruby09:08
teK_and this thing is coded in ruby.09:08
frinnstmotherfucking windows update09:28
frinnstnasty vuln. patched09:28
prologicFun when you get your office re-fitted at home09:34
prologichave to take lots of things offline including your desktop09:34
nbinopkgmk gives not writable /usr/ports/distfiles09:35
prologicput it all back together only to find out Xorg segfaults09:35
prologicyay09:35
prologic:(09:35
frinnstnbino: so fix the permissions on ports/distfiles :)09:35
frinnstor run as root (bruteforce)09:35
nbinoI chown and chmod to pkgmk...09:36
nbinochmod 755,09:37
frinnstdisk full?09:37
frinnstare you running and building as the user "pkgmk" ?09:38
prologicwhat are we doing with pkgmkg?09:38
nbinoI was tryng $fakeroot pkgmk -d -u09:38
prologicand what's the issue?09:39
nbinoinside /usr/ports/core/make, is not updated ;)09:39
prologicthat normally works just fine09:39
prologicwell fakeroot is fake "root"09:39
prologicyou can't update your system with that :)09:40
nbinonot writable, owner is pkgmk, permissions are 77509:40
prologicowner is pkgmk?09:40
prologicwhy are you trying to do fancy stuff? :)09:40
prologicthere is no default user called pkgmk on crux09:41
prologicpackages are built as a normal user, root so fakeroot09:41
prologicand installed with root or sudo09:41
xeirrrSet up crux on 3 machines, coming with a sense of achievements09:42
prologic:)09:43
prologicit's a nice distro isn't it? :)09:43
xeirrrRight, KISS09:43
nbinoprologic: I was following the handbook09:43
prologicI still don't understand what your problem is :)09:52
prologicyou'll have to start over :)09:53
prologichehe09:53
prologicmy Xorg is broken atm09:53
prologicwhich kind of means I can't read all that well in irssi on console (poor sight) :/09:53
nbinothanks prologic ;)09:54
fnordsprologic: you should update java-rxtx09:55
Feigrimprologic: http://www.highdisplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/computer-monitor-enlarger-magnifier-2.jpg09:55
fnordsfreebsd moved the source09:55
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: [notify] php: update to 5.5.1910:27
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prologicfrinnst: yeah no worries11:27
prologicit's used by the arduino ide port(s) I maintain11:27
prologicso I'll have to update them all together and test it all out properly11:27
prologicg'night :)11:27
frinnstwhat?11:40
fnordsprologic: thanks! :)11:42
fnordsthat was the thing i was actually trying to build11:43
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prologicRomster: https://github.com/cortext/crawtext12:22
prologicfrinnst: sorry must have tabbed wrong :)12:22
Romsteri'm liking docker but my /etc/hosts gets done ove due to DHCP every time i start it back up... any solution to static ip/names i also use.12:23
prologicexplain that another way?12:24
prologicwhat are you having issues with?12:24
Romsterwell when i start a docker container, /etc/hosts is overwritten.12:25
Romsteri had put in some static ips and names to resolve to for my local machines for distcc.12:25
Romsterbut they wont stick.12:25
Romsteri probably should run my own local DHCP server here and stop uisng static. but then how do i even make that work in docker to resolve. as docker uses it's own DHCP in each container?12:26
Romsterfor now i just edited /etc/hosts after starting up.12:27
Romsterand know it'll be clobbered on next startup12:27
prologicahh12:28
prologicyou want dns in your containers12:28
prologicuse proper dns12:28
prologicI personally recommend udns (look it up on pypi)12:28
Romsteryeah and i ened to setup internal DNS prpper DNS than all this static i have now.12:28
prologicthen reconfigure your docker daemon with docker —dns12:28
Romsterah12:28
Romsterthanks and i'll check that spider out too.12:29
prologic  -d, --daemon=false                             Enable daemon mode12:29
prologic  --dns=[]                                       Force Docker to use specific DNS servers12:29
prologic  --dns-search=[]                                Force Docker to use specific DNS search domains12:29
prologicbut yeah check out udns12:29
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prologicfor nicely managed dns12:29
prologicrecursive caching authoriative dns server12:29
Romsterthat'll do what i want.12:30
Romsterliking docker though but i'm still getting around the commands.12:30
Romsteryou do need to add export PATH="$PATH:/sbin" to /etc/rc.d/docker12:30
prologichttps://registry.hub.docker.com/u/prologic/udns/12:30
prologicit’s also on the hub btw12:31
Romsterelse it can't find mkfs.ext412:31
prologicoh ok :)12:31
Romsterhttp://crux.nu/Wiki/DockerOnLVM2 and i need to fix my horrible lack of wiki syntax on that.12:31
prologicI’ll remmeber to do that next releae of docker12:31
prologicta12:31
Romsterbut it is working12:31
prologicalso here is my ~/.profile.d/docker bash script I use12:32
prologichttps://gist.github.com/42d2e4c905304b7b491712:32
Romsterah nice12:33
Romsteri seen docker cp12:33
Romsterbut how do you edit files from outside a container? do you do some shared directory to the host?12:33
Romsteror some other way12:33
Romsteris there some namespace like path to each container to edit files from host12:34
Romsterlike if i ran a chroot  can still edit files from the host at some path.12:34
Romsterbut with docker.12:34
Romsterso far i've been lamely prt-get install vim and do the stuff in the container i attached too.12:37
Romsterbut you said it can be done from the host.12:38
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prologictypically you’re meant to use volumes12:38
prologice.g: docker run -i -t -v $(pwd):/source my_image12:38
prologicor you could even: docker exec <container> <command> (run a command inside the container)12:39
prologicread up on the Dockerfile spec too12:40
prologicit’s how you create images :)12:40
Romsterman docker12:41
RomsterNo manual entry for docker12:41
Romster-_- that's bad12:41
prologicno :)12:41
prologicdocs.docker.com12:41
Romsteryeah i know Dockerfile is how a image is made.12:41
prologic:)12:41
Romsteri've already looked at how you do it. pretty basic.12:41
prologiccool12:42
Romsteri can inherrit base crux or start from scratch i can even save and edxport a state of a container to use as a new image too12:42
Romsterexport*12:42
prologicI can probably make a “port builder” image with onbuild triggers for the sole purpose of testing ports12:42
Romsteri have a nice pkg-clean script but really it's probably better to just have a script to trigger running x containers building each individual port12:43
prologicI would and I do :)12:44
Romsteri have a plan to grab your docker file and hack at the crux configs make a ton of @names@ of stuff and then make a crux configuration CLI script to be able to sed values and a recipe/conf file for it12:44
prologicperhaps I can add such a tool to prt-utils12:44
prologicprttest12:44
prologicrun it in the dir of the port being tested12:45
prologicno arguments, it just works :)12:45
Romsterthat's like just firig up a crux container and ports -u ; prt-get depinst12:45
prologicpretty much12:46
Romsteri have a similer idea but i've always wanted to be able to have a single CLI command to sed values in pkgmk.conf prt-get.conf rc.conf net and the other most common spots.12:46
Romsterso a recipie file that gets executed with say crux --configure /foo.conf to set your fave settings from the base image.12:47
Romsteri'd like to do that.12:47
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Romsterso i can do shit like PKGMK_SOURCE_MIRRORS=(http://10.0.0.1/distfiles/) with PKGMK_SOURCE_MIRRORS=(@PKGMK_MIRROR@)12:48
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Romsterand it would remove the leading '# '12:49
Romsteror i could just save a container with my preferred settings but feels more hacky12:49
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Romsteratm i just fire one up and manually change what i want in a few minutes.12:50
Romsterso far i've already confirmed i got a broken port that used to work so i need to fix that.12:51
prologichttps://gist.github.com/therealprologic/b1a282bb7979c2c5af5112:51
prologicsomething like this might work12:51
RomsterRUN prt-get cache12:51
RomsterRUN prt-get depinst ${PORT}12:51
Romsterif ya gonna do that you may as well do12:52
RomsterRUN prt-cache depinst ${PORT}12:52
Romsterthe whole idea of prt-cache is to not have to keep reading off the database which is slow12:52
prologicyou’re forgetting one very important thing12:52
prologicimages :)12:52
prologicbuild your own12:52
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Romsterbut usually faster after first run due to buffers12:53
prologiccopy your own pkgmk.conf and prt-get.conf as part of your image12:53
prologicdon’t do things by hand :)12:53
prologicbuild once12:53
prologicrun everywhere12:53
Romsteryeah probably better to just hack my settings and save my image as a base to go by12:53
Romsteri did always want a CLI configuration script in crux before docker though. i just never bothered to do one12:54
Romsteridea was usb stick of crux and conf file of settings and ports list and let it go12:54
Romsterpartition install compile12:55
Romstercome back ready to log in12:55
Romsteranyways off topic to docker, i'll make my own modified image at some point12:55
Romsteri'd also would upload logs to a server for viewing the results too.12:56
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Romsterrun it though pretty_make and see the results easier and pick out warnings12:57
Romsterthis docker way makes chroots so obsolete.12:57
Romsteri just got to get used to it12:58
Romsterbear in mind i've been using chroots for years now.12:58
prologicDocker is basically chroot + namespaces + cgroups + tooling12:58
prologicread Michael Crosby’s blog post :)12:59
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Romsteryeah it's just more container/hardened and resource limits13:25
openfbtdRomster, would be cool if docker used overlayfs13:26
Romsterim using real LVs since i run lvm2 already it's faster than loop mounted LVs13:26
Romsterbut btrfs would be the best choice if lvm2 wasn't setup already13:27
Romsterhttps://developerblog.redhat.com/2014/09/30/overview-storage-scalability-docker/ OverlayFS (and in the future, unionmount) are on the radar.13:27
openfbtdNice13:28
openfbtdThe fs they are using now can be real slow sometimes13:29
Romsterhttp://www.breakage.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/20140819-container-create-destroy-1000-containers3.png13:29
Romsterso i went from loop-lvm to direct-lvm13:29
Romsterbtrfs is nearly as fast as direct-lvm13:30
Romsterloop-lvm though horribly slow.13:30
Romsteroverlayfs is onyl supper fast because it can must mount an image over the top of another. and not do all the COW mapping.13:31
Romsterthat lvm2 does for thin provisioning.13:31
Romsterand btrfs has it's own COW stuff already for snapshoting13:31
Romsteri know a little of stuff but still not a programmer like prologic13:33
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: clamav: updated to version 0.98.519:41
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u7knv9hhi, i'm making a port, and when i put `sed -i 's/\/usr\//\$PKG\/usr\//g' makefile` in the Pkgfile it interpretes it as `KG/usr`, but if i do it in the shell everything is fine20:58
u7knv9hanyone knows what can it be?20:58
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vlnxJust needs proper expansion. `sed -i "s|/usr/|$PKG/usr/|g"`21:03
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u7knv9hthanks!21:15
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