| jaeger | indeed. :/ | 00:00 |
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| joacim | 23:31 @frinnst | yep, norway is awesome | 00:01 |
| joacim | 23:31 ┗━ | all nordic countries are.. except for denmark. fuck those | 00:01 |
| joacim | I think sweden and denmark holds the record for the most wars fought between two countries | 00:01 |
| kori | hrm, not sure what to do now | 00:07 |
| kori | ┐('~'; )┌ | 00:07 |
| kori | eh this will be a similar experience to FreeBSD | 00:07 |
| tvaalen | Damnit, almost forgot I need some kind of disk crypto. What do people use for that? | 00:15 |
| kori | dm-crypt w/ LUKS | 00:16 |
| kori | usually | 00:16 |
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| tvaalen | Yeah, but do people use this: https://serverop.de/~tek/crux-dmcrypt/ | 00:17 |
| kori | ┐('~'; )┌ | 00:18 |
| kori | I use cryptsetup | 00:18 |
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| Romster | most of steam bundles everything but i think i do need to bump ome compat-32 stuff lately and i haven't had time yet for that | 01:13 |
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| Romster | also work connection is being crap, getting it looked at tomorrow | 01:13 |
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| kori | jaeger: do you have /dev/shm mounted | 01:50 |
| diverse | I recall xeirrr needing to mount /dev/shm to get his graphics driver working with mpv | 01:51 |
| kori | diverse: mpv works fine without shm but hrm | 01:52 |
| diverse | kori: that was an issue with his graphics only | 01:52 |
| kori | as in, here | 01:53 |
| kori | steam said this after crashing | 01:53 |
| kori | Process 6124 failed to shm_open /kori-ValveIPCSharedObjects5 | 01:53 |
| xeirrr | kori, did you have a swap file or swap partition? | 01:53 |
| kori | xeirrr: nope | 01:54 |
| jaeger | kori: yes, I do have it mounted | 01:54 |
| xeirrr | kori, you need have /dev/shm mounted in case of running out of shared memory | 01:54 |
| kori | maybe I should do something productive instead of trying to set up games | 01:55 |
| diverse | xeirrr: so was the problem with mpv was running out of swap even? | 01:56 |
| diverse | kori: didn't you make a lot of ports though? That was very productive | 01:59 |
| kori | diverse: eh, I guess | 01:59 |
| diverse | don't be hard on yourself | 02:00 |
| xeirrr | diverse: mpv issue is because of my graphic driver | 02:00 |
| kori | my system is probably really dirty right now, revdep didn't return anything though | 02:00 |
| kori | I'd like to know what the fuck is up with steam, though | 02:01 |
| kori | :< | 02:01 |
| diverse | xeirrr: how much memory does your gpu have? | 02:01 |
| diverse | kori: you will figure it out eventually, just take a break | 02:01 |
| Romster | shm/dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 | 02:01 |
| Romster | in fstab | 02:01 |
| xeirrr | I did't see it at that time | 02:02 |
| Romster | mount shm | 02:02 |
| kori | well, shm was populated by some steam files | 02:02 |
| xeirrr | My laptop just have 2g ram | 02:02 |
| kori | it may work now? | 02:02 |
| kori | maybe? | 02:02 |
| Romster | i think steam needs it. not certain though but i got shm on my desktop | 02:02 |
| diverse | xeirrr: do you know the model of your amd gpu? | 02:03 |
| kori | aha | 02:03 |
| kori | well, steam isn't crashing anymore | 02:03 |
| kori | but games aren't opening still | 02:03 |
| xeirrr | diverse: it's an amd apu | 02:04 |
| diverse | apu? | 02:05 |
| xeirrr | diverse: yes | 02:05 |
| Romster | move the steam cache and install it again? | 02:05 |
| Romster | afk back to work | 02:05 |
| xeirrr | diverse: with radeon hd 6320 | 02:05 |
| diverse | oh I see, it's an integrated graphics cpu | 02:07 |
| diverse | so then it probably doesn't have additional memory for the graphics and relies on the system ram | 02:07 |
| xeirrr | diverse: right. I should set a swap when I install it. | 02:08 |
| diverse | xeirrr: and so you're running videos at like 1080p? | 02:09 |
| xeirrr | diverse: usually, it's 720p. 1080p is a dream for me. | 02:11 |
| diverse | I guess without the additional memory, I think it's no wonder you need to mount shm | 02:11 |
| diverse | because when I load a video from mpv, I see a little of my ram get used, but I think a lot of the video memory is going to my gpu ram as well | 02:13 |
| diverse | xeirrr: so I think it's not because of the driver, but your hardware limitation | 02:14 |
| diverse | xeirrr: but the point of an apu is to not drain a lot of electrical energy, so that your battery lasts longer | 02:16 |
| xeirrr | diverse: right. I can use 4 hours nearly under crux without AC power plugged. | 02:17 |
| diverse | also keep in mind, running 64 bit apps requires more memory, usually, compared to their 32bit compiled counterparts | 02:20 |
| diverse | so thank goodness for shm | 02:20 |
| xeirrr | lol. Normally my work is dealing with customers' info and putting them into documentions. So libreoffice is my friends. | 02:24 |
| xeirrr | I guess most of you guys are doing programming stuff | 02:24 |
| xeirrr | need to quit now, then I'll login with yaaic. | 02:26 |
| diverse | well I'm doing a source code port of pkgutils, I don't know what others are doing | 02:26 |
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| diverse | welcome back | 02:27 |
| diverse | did you statement right before you left? | 02:27 |
| diverse | *you see | 02:27 |
| xeirrr | no | 02:28 |
| diverse | no problem, here is what I said | 02:28 |
| diverse | "well I'm doing a source code port of pkgutils, I don't know what others are doing" | 02:28 |
| nbino | I'm not sure what I'm doing, but I think is webdevelopment... | 02:28 |
| diverse | and I'm not doing it because I'm getting paid, but rather it's fun | 02:29 |
| xeirrr | Right. | 02:30 |
| nbino | :) nice, I'm geting bored of webdevelopment, | 02:30 |
| nbino | I like php, | 02:31 |
| kori | alright, steam seems like its fine | 02:31 |
| diverse | nbino: then join the dark side of application development, we have cookies! (and not the web kind!) | 02:31 |
| kori | now, to get the games working! | 02:31 |
| nbino | diverse: there is some quick how to ? | 02:32 |
| nbino | :D | 02:32 |
| diverse | nbino: to which in particular? | 02:32 |
| nbino | I'm just start learning C :(, | 02:34 |
| nbino | and now how a crux system "ticks"\ | 02:34 |
| diverse | nbino: there are tons of tutorials on C, it's really easy to find them: http://www.learn-c.org/ | 02:36 |
| nbino | is ok to create a script in /etc/rc.d to set hdparm values ? | 02:36 |
| nbino | diverse: yes, I think I start to understand the pointers, structs, headers, | 02:37 |
| nbino | then come other tools, as make, gdb, | 02:37 |
| diverse | pointers are just references to other data in memory, they are particularly useful when dealing with very large structs, because when being memory efficient you want to avoid making copies, so pointers exist. As for headers... well I wish they would go away ;) | 02:39 |
| diverse | nbino: slow down and take it easy and learn one thing at a time | 02:41 |
| nbino | diverse: why ? I use as documentation, is not api definition ? | 02:41 |
| diverse | nbino: I was being facetious, I'm not a big fan of header files because of how old they are and how it does unnecessary duplication of function headers and code segmentation depending on how the person codes it. | 02:44 |
| diverse | nbino: it's because I'm used to newer languages with a module system | 02:47 |
| diverse | you can use them as API docs, but unless not commented well enough, you're better off reading the actual documentation which goes into full length of what a function does | 02:50 |
| diverse | nbino: anyway, you seem knowledgeable of C already, I don't think you need a quick howto :) | 02:55 |
| diverse | kori: how is steam working out so far? | 02:57 |
| kori | diverse: games still won't launch | 03:06 |
| kori | but at least steam ain't crashing anymore | 03:06 |
| diverse | one step out of a time | 03:08 |
| diverse | kori: here is an idea, did you try running steam on a terminal and see what errors you get from launching games? | 03:11 |
| kori | diverse: no errors :< | 03:18 |
| kori | things just poof | 03:19 |
| kori | Game update: AppID 440 "Team Fortress 2", ProcID 14222, IP 0.0.0.0:0 | 03:19 |
| kori | Game removed: AppID 440 "Team Fortress 2", ProcID 14222 | 03:19 |
| kori | that's it | 03:19 |
| kori | lol | 03:19 |
| kori | >open | 03:19 |
| kori | whoops, not in rizon | 03:19 |
| kori | anyways, I open TF2, it closes, no errors, no nothing | 03:20 |
| kori | BUT AT LEAST STEAM AIN'T CRASHING | 03:21 |
| kori | :D | 03:21 |
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| nbino | can I change default value to march=native in /etc/pkgmk.conf, will this break the sistem if one packages have been compiled with diff options ? | 04:27 |
| nbino | s/sistem if one/system if some/g | 04:28 |
| rmull | nbino: You'll be fine, go ahead | 04:32 |
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| dodobirds | why iptraf is no longer on ports? | 06:24 |
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| diverse | dodobirds: there appears to be a fork called iptraf-ng: https://fedorahosted.org/iptraf-ng/ | 06:41 |
| diverse | perhaps you can make your own port of that | 06:41 |
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| Romster | hi pitillo | 07:09 |
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| dodobirds | iptraf is a powerfull tool tho | 07:13 |
| dodobirds | but ok i;ll look forward to it | 07:14 |
| dodobirds | thanks | 07:14 |
| Romster | does't look like much to port it | 07:19 |
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| mhe | hi guys, still building my LFS with pkgutils, so far so god up to automake but I was wondering what I should do for the bootscripts? so far, I tried to stay true to lfs concerning /usr/share/man so I changed the Pkgfiles accordingly | 08:10 |
| mhe | it took me a while to be able to install pkgutils, firstly I followed up to after gcc, added missing files and dirs from the filesystem Pkgfile from crux | 08:12 |
| mhe | after gcc, I installed libarchive and porg to log the packages afterwards | 08:12 |
| mhe | rebuilding file and zlib with pkgutils worked, I only managed to install pkgutils after bzip2 and after bash I installed xz and then pkgutils was succesfully installed, Makefile needs adjustment to disable --static | 08:13 |
| mhe | I will put all my install issues somewhere online when I finish the base system and again with kernel and manage to make it bootable :) | 08:14 |
| Romster | mhe, maybe add it as STATIC?=yes in the file and ifdef it as taht and if make STATIC=no then don't do static. | 08:17 |
| mhe | I could try that later at home :) | 08:21 |
| mhe | bc-1.06.95 failed unfortunately | 08:22 |
| mhe | used bc-1.06 | 08:22 |
| Romster | hmm wonder why | 08:22 |
| Romster | some projects notably freedesktop use .9xxx for beta releases before the main release. | 08:23 |
| Romster | xorg-server-1.16.0.901.tar.bz2 | 08:24 |
| Romster | xorg-server-1.16.0.tar.bz2 | 08:24 |
| Romster | like so so that .95 might be older... | 08:24 |
| Romster | but then they usually relase 1.17.0 after 1.16.0.901 | 08:24 |
| Romster | so it's probably newer and has issues still | 08:25 |
| Romster | and 1.07 isn't out due to them issues | 08:25 |
| mhe | well, I added pkgutils to my manjaro-openrc install and since it uses the same toolchain as my lfs-crux, I just used that to build a pkgutils package of bc-1.06.95 without problems | 08:27 |
| mhe | I will update my home lfs-cruxbox with that later | 08:27 |
| mhe | any update on this? http://cruxppc.org/ChrootTesting the chroottesting page on the crux is for 2.4, the ppc is 2.7 | 08:31 |
| mhe | bc 1.06.95 came from the apha site, so it is a testrelease | 08:39 |
| mhe | 1.06.95 is sep 2006, 1.06 is nov 2000 | 08:40 |
| mhe | must be stable software :) | 08:40 |
| mhe | only debian will stay on 1.04, ow no, now that they went systemd they love experimental software | 08:41 |
| Romster | geez stable alright | 08:42 |
| Romster | expect a new release in 100 years lol | 08:42 |
| mhe | I just checked core again and I cannot find a package in crux that installs the initscripts | 08:43 |
| Romster | mhe, feel free to use my chroot guide http://pastebin.com/dLg17XCC | 08:44 |
| mhe | this is usefull concerning init though: http://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-1-Configuration | 08:44 |
| Romster | been reliable until recently something broke it. | 08:44 |
| mhe | thanks Romster | 08:45 |
| Romster | np | 08:47 |
| mhe | so for the initscripts I will copy the /etc/rc* files from a working install and adjust | 08:47 |
| mhe | my "newest" laptops are fast | 08:48 |
| mhe | this one is i5 quad up to 3.2ghz turbo | 08:48 |
| mhe | my lfs-crux hardware is i5 quad 2.6ghz :) | 08:48 |
| Romster | neat | 08:48 |
| mhe | one SBU is like 70sec | 08:49 |
| Romster | id like to add SBU on crux but i never really bothered too. | 08:49 |
| Romster | distcc/ccache would ruin that for setting the units. | 08:49 |
| mhe | I don't really care either but I remember having to wait for hours on LFS in the past and then the buildtime info is usefull, for when I can leave the box | 08:50 |
| mhe | on my crux install (core2duo 2.4ghz) I try to recompile dependent packages as much as possible | 08:51 |
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| mhe | I should set up distcc there | 08:51 |
| Romster | i haev a few of those that were jsut gonna be thrown out so i turned them in for distcc use. | 08:52 |
| Romster | new upgrade oh i don't want my old pc anymore, ok... back of the car. | 08:53 |
| mhe | I can set up a buildfarm as well | 08:53 |
| mhe | got like 5 laptops compiling | 08:53 |
| Romster | i'm at 20 cores now | 08:53 |
| Romster | geez laptops | 08:53 |
| mhe | yeah, portable shit | 08:54 |
| mhe | mostly dells, asus, a hp and a lost pm 1.6ghz toshiba | 08:55 |
| mhe | 2 i686's, my toshiba and asus eee, slow as hell to compile | 08:56 |
| mhe | that is way I dedicated one dell core2duo to run i686 | 08:56 |
| mhe | I saw some posts about musl | 09:02 |
| mhe | is there someone trying to make a musl-based crux? | 09:02 |
| Romster | did you pick these up as left overs from upgrades broken screens etc? | 09:04 |
| Romster | dead batteries | 09:04 |
| openfbtd | Wrote a function into my bashrc that creates new files with shebangs in them :D | 09:09 |
| openfbtd | Got tired of writing them manually all the time | 09:09 |
| diverse | heh :) | 09:10 |
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| mhe | the toshiba was a trow-away and because my mom and dad both needed a new laptop, I bought a bunch of to be refurbished ones | 09:11 |
| mhe | my asus eee was a leftover from work | 09:12 |
| mhe | would have cost me more to get all the working ones I have now :) | 09:12 |
| mhe | al are A- except for the i5 quad 2.6ghz hp that had a bad fall and smudged screen but works fine | 09:13 |
| frinnst | some nasty bugs in docker | 09:14 |
| frinnst | Docker 1.3.2 - Security Advisory [24 Nov 2014 | 09:15 |
| openfbtd | Oooh | 09:17 |
| openfbtd | Thx, updating | 09:17 |
| frinnst | http://b20b09a216ffad53.paste.se/ | 09:19 |
| diverse | that would be a big deal for prologic | 09:26 |
| frinnst | The following fatal alert was generated: 70. The internal error state is 105. | 09:38 |
| frinnst | dont you just love microsoft error logs? | 09:38 |
| frinnst | so informative | 09:38 |
| mhe | report a bug: doesn't present useful errors | 09:41 |
| mhe | reply: this is not considered a bug | 09:42 |
| frinnst | do you have a url for microsofts bugtracker? :) | 09:42 |
| mhe | not that I know, what program is spewing this errors | 09:42 |
| mhe | where is the PKGMK_WORK_DIR variable set? | 10:13 |
| mhe | seems in /etc/mkpkg.conf but on my manjaro-openrc where I installed pkgutils it is wrong :) | 10:31 |
| mhe | for each mv $PKG/... it fails :( | 10:43 |
| mhe | I will need to dive into that later today | 10:43 |
| cruxbot | [contrib.git/3.1]: docker: 1.3.1 -> 1.3.2 | 10:49 |
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| rmull | Let's say I have an open source python script that I wrote running on my machine. It generates a result that I want to share with people online. What's a good way to ensure that the version of source code they have is the same one that generated the result? | 11:05 |
| rmull | What I mean is that they want to be able to verify that I did not maliciously modify the script to affect the output versus what they expect from the open source code | 11:07 |
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| xeirrr | Diverse: My laptop CPU model: AMD E-450 APU with Radeon HD Graphics | 12:43 |
| xeirrr | diverse: sorry, wrong spell, see my former message. :） | 12:45 |
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| kori | hello!! | 16:00 |
| asie | hi | 16:07 |
| joacim | hey | 16:09 |
| kori | dohoho | 16:11 |
| kori | cargo isn't ported | 16:11 |
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| diverse | kori: well I technically ported it myself, but you won't be able to build it with the latest rust, yet. | 17:34 |
| diverse | xeirrr: I got both pings, not to worry. | 17:34 |
| diverse | it seems like the capitilization of my name doesn't matter for weechat ;) | 17:41 |
| kori | diverse: hrm rhm | 17:42 |
| kori | s/rh/hr/ | 17:42 |
| diverse | kori: they recommend you use nightly builds, but I don't want to use an old rustc version | 17:42 |
| kori | I'm using nighly, but cargo didn't build | 17:43 |
| diverse | oh is that so? | 17:43 |
| kori | yeah | 17:44 |
| diverse | well don't worry about it for now, just put off for now | 17:45 |
| kori | shit | 17:45 |
| kori | I can't remember where I put the Pkgfile | 17:45 |
| kori | heh | 17:45 |
| kori | found it | 17:45 |
| diverse | when Rust hits 1.0, things should be easy peasy | 17:46 |
| kori | oh this happens when compiling rust-openssl | 17:46 |
| kori | whoop | 17:46 |
| kori | openssl-sys | 17:46 |
| diverse | that's what I got too, it seems some of the crates are not updated which prohibits it's build it | 17:47 |
| diverse | like I said about Rust 1.0 | 17:47 |
| kori | mhmmm | 17:48 |
| diverse | kori: although I used to thought the nightly provided a binary too | 17:50 |
| diverse | well, I just tried the latest commit and it still fails too | 17:55 |
| kori | eError loading shared library libGL.so.1: Exec format error (needed by /home/kori/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlayrend | 17:58 |
| kori | Error loading shared library libstdc++.so.6: Exec format error (needed by /home/kori/.local/share/Steam/ubuntu12_64/gameoverlay | 17:58 |
| kori | weird. | 17:58 |
| diverse | sounds like you need to rebuild mesa3d or something | 18:01 |
| kori | ⟩ pkg which /usr/lib32/libstdc++.so.6.0.19 | 18:01 |
| kori | pkginfo: no owner(s) found | 18:01 |
| kori | wut | 18:02 |
| diverse | ah I see, you are probably missing some 32bit packages, like glibc-32? | 18:03 |
| kori | nope, it's there | 18:04 |
| kori | last time I uninstalled glibc-32 it was a baaaad idea | 18:04 |
| kori | but I'll try recompiling it | 18:04 |
| diverse | I said, rebuild, not uninstall | 18:04 |
| diverse | yeah uninstalling any glibc would be cutting your balls off | 18:05 |
| kori | diverse: yeah I understood | 18:09 |
| kori | I'm just saying I learnt not to remove glibc-32 ever again :D | 18:09 |
| diverse | and what I'm saying is, don't even dare remove plain glibc, unless you have a live cd to recover from | 18:11 |
| kori | aye | 18:12 |
| kori | well | 18:12 |
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| kori | if you were to do some crazy package swapping you COULD manage that | 18:13 |
| diverse | just be careful | 18:13 |
| kori | compile a package against something like musl, link it, then install musl @ /lib, then link against those libs, then you'd manage without glibc | 18:13 |
| kori | but meh | 18:13 |
| kori | alright, time to rebuild glibc-32 | 18:14 |
| diverse | go for it | 18:14 |
| diverse | and rebuild mesa3d, while you are at it | 18:14 |
| kori | just did | 18:14 |
| diverse | hmm, kori do you use nvidia? | 18:16 |
| kori | aye | 18:18 |
| diverse | and you have nvidia-32 install, correct? | 18:18 |
| kori | aye | 18:18 |
| diverse | rebuild that too | 18:18 |
| diverse | and do the gl-select dance | 18:19 |
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| SirRafiki | /msg NickServ identify i'mdumbman | 18:27 |
| SirRafiki | #fail rs' | 18:28 |
| kori | huh | 18:28 |
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| kori | I'm so lost | 18:31 |
| kori | lol | 18:31 |
| diverse | kori: what happened? | 18:49 |
| kori | diverse: same errors | 18:51 |
| kori | I am not sure what changed at all | 18:51 |
| kori | I'm going to try something later | 18:51 |
| kori | but for now, I'll be gone | 18:51 |
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| diverse | sup leo-unglaub | 20:39 |
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| kori | back | 21:33 |
| diverse | hey | 21:36 |
| kori | hi | 21:46 |
| kori | I can't test steam because of steam guard and openmailbox not working right now :< | 21:47 |
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| diverse | jaeger: were you able to get steam working before on Crux? | 22:10 |
| jaeger | I never got it working 100% in the past. Either the controller or sound or something would fail. But this last weekend with my new build I didn't have much trouble | 22:11 |
| diverse | could you help kori out? He is having issues with launching games | 22:11 |
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| kori | well, I can't really look into it now, steam guard is in the way and openmailbox is currently under maitenance | 22:14 |
| diverse | what is steam gaurd? | 22:15 |
| diverse | *guard | 22:15 |
| jaeger | It sends you an email when you access steam from a new device | 22:16 |
| kori | ^ | 22:16 |
| jaeger | you have to put in the code it sends | 22:16 |
| kori | I removed my steam folder to test | 22:16 |
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| jaeger | so if your mail host is down, you're screwed until they're up again | 22:16 |
| kori | and since I can't access my e-mail, I can't really get the code | 22:16 |
| kori | heh | 22:16 |
| diverse | gotcha | 22:16 |
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| Workster | did you forget your email pass or something? | 23:10 |
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| diverse | Workster: no, his email host is not working at the moment | 23:14 |
| Workster | ah that blows | 23:15 |
| diverse | especially when kori needs it to use steam | 23:16 |
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| Workster | yeah i'm familiar with that activation code | 23:18 |
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| Workster | what they need is a way to have secondary email addresses even SMS a code to you | 23:34 |
| kori | what are some good, trustable, reliable e-mail hosts? | 23:43 |
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| joacim | I've seen people recommend fastmail and hushmail | 23:47 |
| joacim | I'm using fastmail myself, but I can't say if they're trustworthy or not | 23:48 |
| kori | hushmail is compromised | 23:48 |
| kori | not sure about fastmail | 23:48 |
| joacim | it is compromised? | 23:49 |
| kori | aye | 23:49 |
| joacim | only way to be sure is to self host | 23:49 |
| kori | hegh | 23:49 |
| kori | heh' | 23:49 |
| joacim | hwo is it comprimised? | 23:49 |
| kori | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushmail#Compromises_to_email_privacy | 23:49 |
| joacim | saw some blog post somewhere about the fastmail people saying they're safe from that stuff due to them being located in australia | 23:52 |
| joacim | their servers are still in america tho | 23:52 |
| tvaalen | Question is if it matters how trustworthy they are. Considering the Lavabit-story it's probably a no-no no matter what provider you use. | 23:54 |
| tvaalen | When people start threatening you with jail if you don't hand over the keys idealism usually goes out the window. | 23:55 |
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