IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2015-02-20

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lmarieHi all!  Currently downloading nvidia-340.76 driver for my legacy card.00:33
eduanhey lmarie :)00:34
lmarieTrying to figure out problem with current legacy driver 340.65 and a couple of missing files.  Hello eduan.  Love the new name!  Saw you changed it.00:34
lmarieI updated xorg-server 1.17.1, did the input module, video driver update -fr, and then tried to -fr nvidia 340.65 and got:00:36
lmarieMISSING   -rwxr-xr-x      root/root       usr/lib/libnvidia-gtk2.so.340.6500:36
lmarieMISSING   -rwxr-xr-x      root/root       usr/lib/libnvidia-gtk3.so.340.6500:36
lmarieMISSING   drwxr-xr-x      root/root       usr/share/nvidia/00:36
lmarieMISSING   -rw-r--r--      root/root       usr/share/nvidia/nvidia-application-profiles-340.65-key-documentation00:36
lmariesaw this at the gentoo forum: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7685330.html00:38
lmarieMy xorg.log gives same error : [    26.517] (**) NVIDIA(0): Enabling 2D acceleration Failed to initialize the GLX module00:40
lmarie...so, I'm going to give the latest legacy driver a try.  Then look on ebay for a newer older nvidia card that is non-legacy00:41
diverseah this probably a result from the abi change from 1.16 -> 1.17, so the older nvidia driver isn't as compatible. You're best bet is to stay with xorg 1.16 or upgrade your card and use the current version. I would do the latter really00:44
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lmarieThanks diverse, yes I was reading the README concerning the abi change for xorg-server.  I think upgrading my card is the best choice.00:47
diversemake sure you get a gt/gtx 500 or higher00:48
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lmarieYes, will do.  Someone else mentioned this a week or so ago...I jotted it down.00:50
diversethat was me00:50
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diverseand yeah, this is the one downside to relying on a binary blob, but you can't complain when it works well. But recently, I heard ati is doing fairly well with the open source side. The ati users here could fill you in.00:51
eduanlmarie: only changed name cause I forgot to identify for greduan this morning and when I tried again it told me it was disabled for a bit or something so using this for a bit, tomorrow I'll be greduan again. :)00:53
eduanGlad you like my irl name though (nickname)00:54
eduan(Edu)ardo (An)tonio = Eduan00:54
lmarieEither name sounds nice, a somewhat Spanish flare.00:54
eduanI am Spanish so that's good. :)00:55
eduanMexican/Argentinian to be specific.00:55
lmarieAgreed  : )00:55
eduanEduan seems to be already used in several places though (didn't use to be some years ago) so now Greduan is my default new username00:58
eduandang people stealing my name00:58
lmarieYeah!  People ask me if I was named after Elvis's daughter.  No, my mother came up with it first.00:59
eduanlol01:00
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lmarieBefore I go, I was thinking of an idea for a crux wallpaper...01:14
lmarieseveral minions with hand tools carving out CRUX on a rock face... just an idea01:15
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lmarievector graphics minions , will have to give it a try01:16
lmarieA good day and good night to all!01:16
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diverseI would like to see a cooler version of the crux mascot02:26
eduanI would like a simpler version, like less shading. cause I like simple02:30
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prologichmm09:19
prologicimplementing QoS is fun09:19
prologicjust by adding QoS to my network I've halved the ping latecny09:20
prologiclatency*09:21
Romsteri was playing with hfsc many years ago.09:24
prologichfsc?09:30
Romsterhttp://hvlinux.net/tc_hfsc.xhtml09:31
prologichttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchical_fair-service_curve09:36
prologicoh :)09:36
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Romsteryeah very complex. combines latency and bandwidth shaping09:52
Romsterif your serious about QoS that is your scheduler09:53
Romsteryou can even set a burst amunt before it'll fall back09:57
Romsteramount09:57
Romsterhttps://github.com/automatthias/hfsc/blob/master/hfsc09:58
frinnstas in pingtimes to the internetz? if you need qos on your lan something is probably very broken :)09:58
Romstermaybe09:59
Romsteror a very heavy user09:59
Romsterthat still wants interactive sessions09:59
frinnstyeah, but you probably need to run everything over iscsi or nfs for you to need that on your lan09:59
Romsterit's more for wlan side10:00
Romsterlan side yeah pointless...10:00
frinnstyeah. Im just happy my isp does a good job with that. No bufferbloat issues10:01
frinnstdoh. speedtest-cli doesnt work: urllib2.HTTPError: HTTP Error 302: The HTTP server returned a redirect error that would lead to an infinite loop.10:02
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spaceninjahi crux10:28
prologicI agree with frinnst10:44
prologicQoS over LAN is silly10:44
prologicbesides I use whatever RouterOS has support for10:45
prologicbut I'm obviously doing QoS on egress/ingress pppoe traffic10:45
prologicAll LAN traffic here now goes through my new CRS125-24G-1S-RM Gpws Switch (http://routerboard.com/CRS125-24G-1S-RM) -- so QoS is only configured on the router :) LAN traffic only passes through it in/out of the internet :)10:47
prologicDoing QoS on the switch is pointless10:47
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: unbound: update to 1.5.2, improved rc script11:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: rpcbind: improved rc script11:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: [notify] php: update to 5.5.2211:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: php-fpm: update to 5.5.22, improved rc script11:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: php-fcgi: update to 5.5.22, improved rc script11:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: php-mysql: update to 5.5.2211:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: php-sqlite3: update to 5.5.2211:08
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: mod_php: update to 5.5.2211:08
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: dovecot: improved rc script11:29
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: dnsmasq: improved rc script11:30
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: dropbear: improved rc script11:30
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greduanGood morning :)13:28
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thetornainbowmorning greduan15:02
EmoSpiceHey all.15:07
thetornainbowmorning!15:07
EmoSpiceI really wish that the Base-16 colorschemes allowed use of the unbright colors a bit more...15:10
thetornainbowhaha, that's why 256 came along15:10
EmoSpiceWell, assigning those is a pain in the nuts :P15:11
thetornainbowcatch-22 i'd say15:11
EmoSpiceSomething like that.15:13
EmoSpiceI tried to like Solarized, but it's still to damn blue after like 3 weeks15:13
thetornainbowi wish i could drink the ruby lang juice. there are some really cool software projects but i just can't stand the ruby dev environment, gemfiles and rails and blahblah15:14
rmullIs python really any better?15:14
EmoSpiceYou're speaking to a python developer, so I couldn't agree more :P15:14
EmoSpicermull: Well, sorta.15:14
thetornainbowi've never gotten solarized or numix/nitrix/circle/flat15:14
EmoSpicethe dev environment is a different type of the same thing15:14
rmullEmoSpice: I still have yet to wrap my mind about the pythonic way of distributing software15:15
EmoSpicebut the underlying philosophy is a bit different15:15
thetornainbowrmull: python's virtualenv is a much saner way to 'containerize'15:15
EmoSpicethetornainbow: is it?15:15
thetornainbowto me it is15:16
thetornainbowgranted, my opinion isn't worth anything15:16
EmoSpicepyenv is more equatable to the rbenv idea, but virtualenv is still kinda broken because it only allows siloing the globally installed version of python15:17
EmoSpicewhat if you need python2 for a project and you only have python3 installed?15:17
EmoSpiceor the other way round?15:17
rmullIs containerization strictly necessary for distribution?15:17
thetornainbowbut isn't the point for python2 to be EOL'd at some point?15:17
EmoSpicethetornainbow: in 202015:18
rmullAlso, are there any crux ports that install python software using virtualenv so I can see how it's supposed to be integrated into the rest of the system?15:18
EmoSpicermull: I don't think so.15:18
EmoSpiceI don't drink the "virtualenv for everything" kool-aid.15:19
rmullI used one such project, and I ended up just running it out of its own directory because I wasn't sure how to integrate it15:19
rmullAnd I'm pretty certain I was doing it wrong15:19
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: fmod: removed port15:20
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: true-combat-elite: fixed sources, bumped new release and cleanup (FS#1132)15:20
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: jenkins: initial import15:20
rmullAre there any non-browser-based adblocking solutions that are interactive? I could run polipo or something on my gateway but it's not really able to allow/deny certain elements of a webpage depending on what is needed15:24
thetornainbownon-browser adblocking?15:24
rmullYeah15:24
rmullFor my whole network15:24
thetornainbowthat would be interesting, but i don't see how it could be done15:25
rmullIt's already done using proxy software like polipo and similar, but you have to load the rules at runtime and can't adjust them on the fly15:26
rmullOr you can use a basic hosts file but that's even worse15:27
thetornainbowyeah i meant dynamic adblocking like in-browser solutions15:27
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rmullAh, yeah15:36
onoderaHi, I'm trying to run minecraft, but it gives me this error every time: http://a.uguu.se/extfia_scrot.png15:36
onoderaI installed jre and I also tried installing xorg/xorg-font-dejavu-ttf and xorg/xorg-font-sun-misc since it seems to be font related15:37
greduannot the necessary fonts?15:48
greduanjust a guess15:49
greduandunno what the problem is15:49
greduanalso, team Chitoge15:50
thetornainbowyeah i know next to nothing about java, but a lot of font errors have to do with locale and LANG15:50
greduantry setting CHARSET and LANG to use UTF-815:50
greduanor whatever is the encoding you're using15:51
onoderaen_US.UTF-815:52
thetornainbowwhat's locale show?15:52
thetornainbowand keep in mind, i am stabbing wildly with the locale/LANG stuff15:53
onoderahttp://a.uguu.se/ohtuxg_scrot.png15:53
thetornainboware you fonts being read?15:54
onoderawell yeah do work in programs like gimp and firefox if that's what you mean15:55
thetornainbowno i mean, the fonts you installed are they in the font path15:55
thetornainbowxset q will show you15:56
thetornainbowsometimes, fonts don't get sourced and then aren't made available to programs asking for them15:56
thetornainbowand if you need to add a fontpath15:56
thetornainbowxset +fp /path/to/stuff && xset fp rehash15:57
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onoderaugh I really hate how linux handles fonts16:00
onoderabut anyways, I just double checked and the fontpaths are okay16:01
EmoSpiceIt's really no different than how anything else handles fonts.16:01
thetornainbowyeah i think font rendering on linux is pretty fantastic16:01
EmoSpiceYou either have to put them in one directory that the OS knows will exist and ALL fonts reside there. Or you do something like register new font paths16:02
rmullonodera: Just out of curiosity, how would youc hange it?16:03
onoderaMaybe it is just because I haven't really looked into fonts and that I am being ignorant, but to me it feels like there are way to many config files for fonts16:05
onoderayou have the weird hard to understand xml configs in /ect/fonts16:06
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: openssh: improved rc script, drop rsa1 key creation16:06
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: libmpc: update to 1.0.316:06
onoderatons of font related commands/programs like mkfontscale, mkfontdir, fc-cache, xset fp16:07
EmoSpiceonodera: Ah. There you're probably right.16:14
EmoSpiceThe way that font handling has evolved in linux is a bit...rough around the edges.16:14
EmoSpiceThe problem is that X itself understands some fonts and needs some hand holding with some others16:14
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koriX is old16:15
koritoo old.16:15
EmoSpicethat16:15
EmoSpicewhat kori said16:15
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EmoSpice(though I'm also not convinced that Wayland is any better >_>)16:15
koriEmoSpice: from what I've seen, it may be16:16
EmoSpicekori: I'm still not sure that offloading the compositing into the window manager is a good idea, but time will tell16:16
koriEmoSpice: I think that's a solution rather than a problem16:17
koribundling the WM, display server and compositor is not a bad idea at all.16:17
EmoSpiceMaybe.16:19
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EmoSpiceI see the line of reasoning that went into it - but it still doesn't seem right to me. I admit I've not read the code or anything, so before I make an ass of myself - I'll put that on my ToDo list and bow out :P16:21
koriEmoSpice: don't you worry16:22
koriI haven't read the code either16:22
koriand I probably wouldn't understand it, even if I did16:22
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EmoSpiceI think the sort of rejection of EVERYTHING X that I'm reading on the Wayland FAQ is what's wrong with this approach, but maybe I'm being old and crotchety16:24
thetornainbowget off my lawn!16:24
EmoSpicedamn kids16:25
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thetornainbowwith your turbobass buttons and your nikki minaj16:34
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dedmanwl1hi18:13
dedmanwl1im making kernel config and setting 64 bit OS. the resulting bzImage is symlinked from x86_64, to x86 under arch/ - is that normal ?18:14
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tilmandedmanwl1: yes18:18
dedmanwl1tilman: ok good. is there any insight or a place you can point me to read about why?18:19
tilmanx86_64 is a kind of x86? ;)18:20
tilmandon't have a link18:20
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thetornainbowdedmanwl1: usually arch/x86_64/boot is a symlink to arch/x86/boot/bzimage18:42
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dedmanwl1thetornainbow: that is exactly what I am seeing. Just curious as to why. A little research and I learned x86 does not technically mean 32bit, but we use it to represent that. I'm still wondering why the symlink exists as opposed to a bzImage in the x86_64 and a symlink to it in x8620:37
dedmanwl1but either way, iv done this work to get Firewire working, and my firewire + macbook pro in target disk mode is choking after just a couple of minutes20:38
thetornainbowdedmanwl1: yeah that'd be interesting to note.20:41
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dedmanwl1having some firewire troubles, here is my config http://sprunge.us/CbKW - any pointers suggestions would be appreciated21:44
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cezarhi my local print is not found when I run add printer (localhost:631) even the print being recognized by the system. it is a usb printer and I have already downloaded the driver22:09
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prologiccezar, what printer is it?23:20
cezarit is a samsung scx-3405fw usb23:21
prologichttps://ask.fedoraproject.org/en/question/39135/how-do-i-install-samsung-printer-scx-3405/23:26
cezarprologic tks will check this a drop the result :)23:27

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