IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2015-03-07

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diversekori: it's okay to be offtopic in this channel00:27
koriI see00:27
diverseand if frinnst freaks out from a giant wall of text, tell him to clear the screen.00:28
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frinnstI dont mind off-topic stuff in #crux00:50
frinnst#crux-devel on the other hand00:50
frinnst:)00:50
greduanand SFW?00:52
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greduando we gotta be SFW on this channel?01:06
greduanactually that's the wrong question01:06
greduancan we swear? if yes how much?01:06
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frinnstfuck yeah01:27
greduanfuck OK01:29
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thebilgeratHello01:46
thebilgeratI have a new installation of crux I am getting to know and I am wondering what I need to do to use the packages system (pkgadd, etc)01:46
thebilgeratI am running ports -u at the moment but its hanging on /opt/ at the moment01:46
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greduanthebilgerat: so it hangs and doesn't load anything from opt?01:49
thebilgeratnot so far01:49
greduanhow do you mean?01:50
thebilgeratwhen it updates core it gave output.  on /opt/ it just sits with the cursor below "Updating file list from crux.nu::ports/crux-3.1/opt/01:51
greduanweird...01:58
greduanhow many attempts did you make?01:59
greduanif it happens every time you do it then I'm not sure what could be the issue01:59
greduanfrinnst: was it you that handles the website? or who's the person in charge for that?01:59
frinnstno, not I02:11
frinnstwhy?02:11
frinnstis the routing still broken?02:11
frinnstits a datacenter isp thing. I sent them a notification earlier today but they "require more information"02:12
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pidsleyi just did a successful ports-u (including /opt) and prt-get sysup, so there is nothing wrong with the website02:14
Romsterfrinnst, it is working fine here.02:14
greduansame02:14
frinnstsame for me, but didnt work from work and leo also had problems02:14
pidsleyweird02:15
Romsterdo a mtr trace?02:15
Romsterthebilgerat, if (s)he could get contrib. probably not if stuck on opt02:15
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Romsterthebilgerat, actally try ctrl-C that and do ports -u contrib02:15
thebilgeratalright02:16
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Romsteryou can cancel anytime and run ports -u as many times as you like it'l pick up where it left off.02:16
Romsteri should think about mirroring the ports trees.02:17
thebilgeratcontrib is good02:18
Romstertry opt after.02:18
thebilgeratalright02:18
thebilgeratalthough I think I may be having local net problems02:18
thebilgerattrying to wget latest kernel hangs as well and then doing a ping <some host> makes me need to /etc/rc.d/net restart02:19
Romsteri'm guessing that and prt-get depinst mtr02:19
Romstermtr crux.nu02:19
Romsterhmm02:19
Romsterwhat is your internet connection like and is it dsl cable 3/4GG or something else?02:20
thebilgeratfiber02:20
thebilgeratusually fine02:20
frinnstnight02:20
Romsteroften some stuff can break if the MTU is set too high02:20
greduancya frinnst02:20
Romsterg'night frinnst02:21
Romstersome paths will break if don't fragment bit is set in the TCP packet and MTU is too large.02:21
Romsterthat can cause some sites to tine out while others seem to work fine.02:21
Romsternot sure what the MTU setting for fibre is.02:22
thebilgeratit doesn't want to grab past uptimed.  I'm guessing it pulled mtr so I'll try installing that02:24
RomsterADSL is crappy for that and i found my maximum by trial and error CLAMPMSS=1432 ppp sets a default of 1412 which will still work but i like to squease as much as i can.02:25
Romsterhmm your net must be really flakey somewhere.02:26
Romsteryeah give mtr a go and let it run for a bit.02:26
Romsterits a combo of ping and traceroute02:27
Romsterthebilgerat, http://crux.ster.zone/kernel/ i just grabbed soem kernels see if the one you want will download too.02:32
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Romsterhttp://irclogs.shortcircuit.net.au/%23crux/latest.log.html02:34
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greduanwhere were fonts stored again?02:43
greduanX fons02:43
greduanfonts*02:43
koriit varies02:44
greduanhmm02:44
koribut check /usr/share/fonts/02:44
greduanyup that's where02:44
greduanthanks02:44
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Romsterfind a font package and dump its footprint02:46
pidsleyback just to say that if you can mirror crux.nu that would be a very great idea Romster02:46
pidsleywould an mtr trace from here be any use? (it works here, so probably not)02:46
Romsterwell some of use do the distfiles now02:46
pidsleycrux.nu does go down periodically02:47
Romsteractually jaeger has it http://crux.ninja/gitlist/02:47
pidsleycool02:48
pidsleycrux.nu has not gone down for long enough for it to really matter to me, but that is helpful02:48
Romstereww but out of date02:48
Romsteri just looked at a port way old version02:49
pidsleyso not really a mirror :)02:49
Romsteri'll look at setting one up on mine.02:50
Romsterand jaeger needs to cron his02:50
Romsterbtw we do have http://crux.nu/distfiles/02:50
Romsterthat can be added to PKGMK_SOURCE_MIRRORS=() in pkgmk.conf02:51
pidsleyyes, jaeger has cairo 1.12.6, crux.nu has 1.1402:51
Romsteractually i could push them to github02:52
Romsterhttps://github.com/therealromster i'll put them up there.02:52
pidsleystill i wonder why thebilgerat_ has problems with /opt and not the others02:53
Romsterhe said it stopped in contrib at some point02:53
Romsterand he did ping off.02:53
pidsleyso problem on his end02:53
Romsterso i'm guessing intermittent network issues02:53
pidsleymakes more sense02:54
Romsterbut having a ports mirror would be an idea. as long as it's kept up to date.02:54
pidsleyyes02:54
Romstersince crux.ster.zone is maybe getting more content and popular why not.02:54
pidsleyyou need more work :)02:55
Romsterhaha02:56
pidsleyput those built binaries up for us with slow machines :)02:56
Romsternot that slow i can do 24 make jobs02:56
pidsleymy core2quad can build firefox in less than overnight :)02:57
pidsleythis is a major achievement for me :)02:58
pidsleyonly has 6G memory02:58
pidsleylemme tweak greduan by using bad gramme03:01
pidsley^grammer (and spelling)03:01
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pidsleygreduan is sleeping03:07
pidsleyme too03:07
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greduanshit03:24
greduanI dunno what he wanted03:24
greduanI was just pre-occupied with family03:24
Romsterno idea03:27
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greduanwell I'll ask him tomorrow03:36
Romsterthin it was more a hit at your grammar, that some tend to pick on mine.03:38
Romsterthink*03:38
greduanoh yeah03:39
greduanI use that grammar on purpose though03:40
greduanIt's not like my everyday grammar is like that03:40
greduanI use all kinds of accents and grammar to get my specific point across03:40
greduanThat's probably why people have a hard time placing my accent when I speak English03:41
diversesigh03:41
greduanwhat's up diverse03:41
greduanare you just sick of my shit? lol03:43
greduananyway guys, time for me to sleep03:45
Romsteroh he is always got something...03:45
greduanlol03:45
greduancya guys03:45
Romstertake care.03:46
greduanyou too03:46
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Romsterhmm it is bad when even charlie was off. mavrick61 you noticed any network connectivity issues at the datacenter?03:47
diverseThe whole obsession with grammar lately is getting on my nerves. For something as obscure and inconsistent as English grammer, it's pretty boring and non constructive.03:47
Romstersome have been having issues with crux.nu but i can't fault it.03:47
Romsterhonestly irc is not a written formal letter. who gives a toss. as long as the point can be portrayed.03:48
Romsteri think it's more so the non-native english speakers.03:49
Romsterwant to get it right.03:49
diverseyeah, it's a casual place, not a military work force where every single damn thing has to be super precise.03:50
Romsterhalf the time or more i realise i made bad grammar after i've pressed enter.03:50
Romsterhttp://crux.ster.zone/gitstats/ updated04:18
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thebilgerat_test05:52
thebilgerat_ok heh back.  I think I sorted it a bit05:52
thebilgerat_a reset of my router seemed to do the trick.  I also let mtr run for a while.05:53
thebilgeratnow I just have to get my grub install working05:54
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: mako: contrib -> opt07:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: mako: 0.9.1 -> 1.0.107:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: gtksourceview: contrib -> opt07:51
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: mako: contrib -> opt07:52
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: gtksourceview: contrib -> opt07:52
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: mesa3d-32: 10.4.5 -> 10.5.008:17
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: [notify] mesa3d-32: 10.4.5 -> 10.5.0 new dependency mako08:21
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: mesa3d-32: remove unused patch08:22
RomsterMesa 10.5.0 is now available. It's the three month effort of over 8008:23
Romsterindividuals, resulting in an excess of 1400 commits.08:23
diversewow08:23
museurI seriously need to mount my nook. It uses mtp. I installed simplemtp jmtpfs mtpfs gphotofs mtpfs libmtp 1.6 1.7 1.8 still couldnt find the damn thing. I also tried adding a custom rule to udev thing.08:24
museurAnyone with experience?08:24
museurMaybe i should resort to ma's windows08:28
Romstergo do some research on what protocol it uses08:30
museurIsnt mtp the protocol Romster...08:31
Romstermaybe? unless they tacked some extension onto it?08:32
Romstergrab a live linux iso and try?08:32
Romstermaybe one will just work then see how they do it.08:33
museurI still have this debian partition but didnt work either. Yeah, i should do some more google i guess.08:33
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nweis it just me or have someone else got this.. http://bb4f9eae9ed82955.paste.se/ ?09:03
Romsterhttp://pastebin.com/gkCmSH7i from a clean docker container09:11
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: kmod-32: 19 -> 2009:14
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: harfbuzz-32: 0.9.38 -> 0.9.3909:14
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: gtk-32: 2.24.26 -> 2.24.2709:14
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: Revert "mesa3d-32: 10.4.5 -> 10.5.0"09:16
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: Revert "mesa3d-32: remove unused patch"09:16
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: Revert "[notify] mesa3d-32: 10.4.5 -> 10.5.0 new dependency mako"09:17
nweRomster: I got This paste has been removed..09:26
Romsterit was set to stay for a monthg09:27
Romstersame footprint as yours09:27
Romsterfile a bug09:27
nweI will do that :)09:28
nwebut on my other server I dont get mismatch..09:29
nweand it?s the same version..09:30
Romsterwell this i tested ina clea docker container09:30
nwetrue, I will file a bug report..09:38
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.1]: mesa3d: 10.4.5 -> 10.4.609:48
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: spamassassin: fix source10:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: pidentd: fix source10:01
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: mesa3d-32: 10.4.5 -> 10.4.610:09
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: libdnet: fix symlinks10:11
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: bind: don't include python scripts. Closes FS#115310:29
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: harfbuzz-icu: 0.9.38 -> 0.9.3910:32
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: wine: 1.7.37 -> 1.7.3811:35
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: imagemagick: update to 6.9.012:38
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greduangood morning13:46
Romsterlo13:46
Romsterhttp://thestack.com/firefox-security-certificates-onecrl-05031513:47
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greduanRomster: that's good right?14:19
greduanpidsley you here?14:24
greduanlooks like now14:24
greduanno*14:24
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Romsteri guess good but why don't more certificates use OCSP stapling14:28
Romsterwhich permits non-live verification, but is currently only used in 9% of TLS certificates.14:28
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rmulljue: Thanks for the tips about findmnt/lsblk - I didn't know about those22:24
greduananyone use CRUX and btrfs?22:26
greduanJust curious22:26
rmullI do22:26
greduanok so at least I know it's possible22:27
rmullYeah, definitely. There are others22:27
greduanCool22:27
greduanrun into any problems yet?22:27
rmullI had an issue running it on my root partition that might have been hardware related, so I switched my root back to ext4. But I use btrfs raid1 on a pair of 2T spinning disks22:27
rmullI'm not sure I can definitely fault btrfs for the problems I was having because the disk ended up flaking out again on me after I put ext4 back on it22:28
rmullI have had no problems with the raid122:28
greduanCool22:30
greduanThe small amount of time I ran btrfs (like a couple of months) on Arch nothing bad happened, once I did have to override the boot sequence in order to make sure I fsck'd the btrfs partitions22:30
greduanthough that was because the battery died on me22:31
greduanand IIRC there wasn't any automatic fsck for btrfs in Arch, when I did it22:31
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rmullfrinnst: I fixed the "802" from mount output - change your lilo.conf to have append="root=/dev/sda2" and remove root=/dev/sda222:57
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rmullkori: You are responsible for the git driver, right?23:02
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rmullDid you specifically chose to use the 'cd' to test for the directory's existence instead of using the [ -d dir ] test?23:06
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