IRC Logs for #crux Monday, 2015-04-13

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greduanhas anyone here ever compiled a new kernel version with an old .config without doing `make oldconfig` ?00:48
greduanjust copy the old .config and immediately `make all`?00:50
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koriugh upgrading to 4.0 broke SO MANY THINGS05:15
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nilpkori, like?06:30
frinnstbroke nothing here06:48
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: sqlite3: update to 3.8.907:22
cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: pciutils: update to 3.3.107:23
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: glib-32: 2.42.2 -> 2.44.010:04
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: libpng-32: 1.6.16 -> 1.6.1710:04
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: sqlite3-32: 3.8.8.3 -> 3.8.910:04
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: mesa3d-32: 10.5.2 -> 10.5.310:04
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korinilp: nvidia-340 won't compile, and so that took a bunch of things with it10:34
z3braI hate rizon again..10:36
koriz3bra: why10:55
z3bragot k-lined10:55
z3brabecause 5 connections from my shared IP10:55
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ninjabox_heyo13:35
greduannice name ninjabox13:36
ninjaboxthanks =)13:36
ninjaboxso I'm a bit confused-- installing crux on amd64/UEFI and when doin a grub-install, I don't see a 64-bit efi target in /usr/lib/grub13:37
ninjaboxall I see actually is bios/i386 target13:37
jaegerdo you have grub2-efi installed?13:38
ninjaboxfigured it would come on the image13:38
ninjaboxlooks like I just have the grub2 package13:39
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jaegeryeah. EFI support is incomplete in the current release13:39
ninjaboxah13:39
jaegerEverything necessary is available in ports but not all on the ISO13:40
ninjaboxthanks, now I just need to figure out how to fetch the ports tree haha13:42
ninjaboxI know it is prt-get just need to rtfm13:42
jaegerports -u to fetch it, prt-get is an installation/removal tool13:45
ninjaboxoh thanks.. thought I was goin crazy13:46
ninjaboxno grub2-efi package that I see in ports either13:47
ninjaboxjust grub and grub213:47
jaegeryou'll need to enable the contrib collection, that's where it lives13:51
frinnstit should probably be moved to opt, no?13:53
jaegerI was thinking that for the next release, yes13:57
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ninjaboxhmm. just s/.inactive// and ports -u?14:16
ninjaboxoh, I see it.  for whatever reason it isn't in prt-get14:17
jaegeralso check /etc/prt-get.conf, the prtdir entries14:19
ninjaboxahhh sry for the ignorance-- tryin to rush through this so that I can get to the office and play with it14:21
ninjaboxCRUX is pretty slick.  It is definitely like what Arch *used* to be to me14:22
jaegerno worries. Bit of a learning curve but glad you like it so far14:25
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ninjabox=( build failed looking for ftsynth.h -- definitely have freetype installed though. I accidentally dumped stuff into that term though so I'm rebuilding to get the error back =P14:35
jaegeryou might need to update freetype first, the location of its header files changed at some point14:37
ninjaboxlol makes sense.. I probably shouldn't have just kicked off a sysup though if I want to get to work huh14:38
ninjaboxlol14:38
greduanyup14:39
greduanlol14:39
greduanI waited a couple days before I sysupped the first time14:39
jaegeryou could stop the sysup and just update freetype if you prefer, then sysup after14:39
ninjaboxyeah that's what I'mma do14:39
ninjaboxI'm gonna take a btrfs snap before I sysup14:39
ninjaboxfor dampshire.14:40
jaegerfor mummerset!14:45
ninjaboxso since I've got you here, it seems like crux deliberately avoids things like systemd that hmm.. obfuscate the process.  That's the goal I assume, regardless of how mainstream really it becomes?14:45
ninjaboxthat's what is attracting me to it the most atm14:45
ninjaboxsimplicity > all14:47
jaegerkeeping things simple is the idea. if systemd becomes the "best" solution then perhaps we'll change but as it is right now it doesn't seem like we NEED to change to it14:47
ninjaboxright14:47
ninjaboxsystemd definitely has its place-- i'm not convinced that place is my 11" notepad =P14:48
ninjaboxhm, or my infrastructure for that matter... but that's a whole fiery discussion lol14:48
greduanjaeger: what's the thing you gotta setup so that when you compile a a new version of some software you don't have to compile the whole thing?14:57
greduanI think Romster's got that setup but I don't remember what it's called14:57
jaegerperhaps ccache is what you're thinking14:58
greduanyup14:58
greduancool14:58
greduank I think I'm using ccache now15:05
greduandoing a sysup to check15:05
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: [notify] ruby: update to 2.1.6"16:58
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: ruby-doc: update to 2.1.616:58
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: smartmontools: improved rc script16:58
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: cups-filters: update to 1.0.6816:59
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koriyo, anything I should consider when using CRUX?20:33
kori...20:33
korinouveau.20:33
korinot CRUX.20:33
koriI'm already using CRUX.20:33
greduanlol20:33
jaegernothing really special about it, assuming your GPU is supported20:33
jaegerit's a pretty standard xorg driver now20:34
korinvidia-340 won't compile on kernel 4.0.020:34
onoderagames wont werk20:34
korinouveau worked fine then20:34
koripre 4.0.020:34
onoderaat least when I tried nouveau20:34
koribut now, OpenGL won't work20:34
koriand it's doing my head in20:34
onoderakori: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/nvidia-mainline/20:34
onoderaaccording to the aur it should work20:34
korionodera: I need 34020:34
korimy card is legacy20:35
onoderaah20:35
onoderaI'll wait for the ck patches before switching to 420:35
korihttps://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk/nvidia-4.0.patch?h=packages/nvidia-340xx20:36
korithis should do it20:36
korinope20:41
prologichttp://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page21:04
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onoderagentoo is pretty much the only big distro not using systemd ;_;21:08
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joacimgNewSense and Slackware aren't major now? =)22:06
joacimmany of those distros are fairly well known to me, and I've heard my brother talk about some of them, so I assume some of them have a fairly wide appeal too22:07
jaegerI've never heard of gNewSense before :) /me goes to look it up22:07
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greduangNewSense is a free-software only version of some distro, no?22:26
greduanand Slackware is extremely slow-moving so I didn't consider it as an option22:29
prologicheh22:38
prologicit's interesting to see all the arguments against sytemd though basically match the arguments I have as well from a software perspective22:38
prologicit's such a shame many of the major distros and larger software ecosystems are taking a step back22:39
prologica regression ihmo22:39
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