IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2015-05-05

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Romsterx264 and mkv with either mp3 or flac for audio07:59
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cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: libdevmapper: update to 1.02.9609:35
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: libaio: update to 0.3.11009:37
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: lvm2: update to 2.02.11909:37
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Romstersurprised no one punched the dude10:45
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: webkit-gtk2: gmutexlocker patch, thanks for pointing this out nrxtx11:23
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.1]: webkit-gtk3: gmutexlocker patch, thanks for pointing this out nrxtx11:23
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: nettle-32: 2.7.1 -> 3.1.111:53
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: gnutls-32: 3.3.13 -> 3.4.011:53
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: libmng-32: 2.0.2 -> 2.0.312:32
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: libpcre-32: 8.36 -> 8.3712:32
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: util-linux-32: 2.26.1 -> 2.26.212:32
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: xorg-kbproto-32: 1.0.6 -> 1.0.712:32
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: xorg-libpciaccess-32: 0.13.3 -> 0.13.412:32
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: xorg-libxkbfile-32: 1.0.8 -> 1.0.912:32
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: xorg-libxrender-32: 0.9.8 -> 0.9.912:32
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: xorg-libxt-32: 1.1.4 -> 1.1.512:32
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: eudev-32: 2.1.1 -> 3.012:43
asiei was about to complain about compat-32 not working for me12:44
Romstersorry been busy it is hard work keeping track12:44
asieit's fine12:44
asie3.3.13 didn't want to compile for me12:44
Romsterprobably not.12:45
Romsteri had it queued up to commit for a day.12:45
Romsterit'll need nettle-32 bumped first12:45
asiei know12:48
asiei tried to make it 3.4.1 manually12:48
asie(yes, 3.4.1 is out btw)12:48
asiei'll check if it's a trivial update in a sec12:48
Romsteri need to keep it in sync with the 64bit ports.12:48
asiegnutls is 3.4.112:48
Romsterso when that gets bumped i'll bump -3212:48
asierocksndiamonds is up to
Romsterit lags behind a little sometimes.12:49
Romsterk i'll get to that.12:49
asiesimple replace12:49
asiealready did it12:49
Romstermain thing for me is it must work no mater what version it is. and be stable.12:49
asie3.3.1.2 works and is playable12:49
asiewatch out for whatever comes after that, though, RnD is doing a rather large refactor/rewrite12:50
asieSDL2 and etc12:50
asie3.3.1.2 is just a bugfix release12:50
asiewell, some tiny features + bugfix12:50
Romsterthey should make it 4.x.x.x for that rewrite12:50
asiernd development is slow as molasses, as usual12:51
asiewith only one tiny-time dev12:51
Romsterwhat do you use compat-32 for mostly? if i may ask.12:51
asiei think that's what most people use it for12:51
Romsterah hold off as i'm not far off bumping wint to .4212:51
asieeh, i'll download the dependencies12:52
asiealso i got a new computer so compiling a lot isn't a huge issue12:52
asiecore i7-4790k12:52
Romsterwhat did you have before that?12:52
asiecore 2 quad q955012:52
asie~3x slower in benchmarks12:52
asie~5x slower in perceived compiling speed12:52
Romsternot too shabby for a old machine.12:52
asieit was one of the best C2Q's12:53
Romsterbut they are no where near as speedy as a i712:53
asiebut i've had it for 6+ years now and the PSU died12:53
asieso i went "why not just upgrade already"12:53
Romstereasy to replace that.12:53
asiei know12:53
asiebut still, 6 years is about time12:53
asieand then i realized how much i missed12:53
Romsterturn it into a distcc machine or media center or something. or both.12:53
asiei missed integrated soundcards becoming reasonably great12:53
asiefor instance12:53
Romsterman integrated sound cards suck.12:53
asiemuch less than they used to12:54
Romstermost don't have hardware mixing12:54
asieand i do have a 2008 integrated to compare with the 2013 one i have12:54
asiewell, that's my main issue with the thing12:54
asieno stereo mix12:54
asieas there's no hardware stereo imx12:54
asieand have fun doing stereo mix on alsa ever period12:54
Romsteri have my soundblaster 256 live and i happen to have a spare PCI slot on this mobo i am so tempted to put it back in to use.12:55
asiei have a sound blaster awe64 gold only12:55
jaegerintegrated soundcards are FAR better than they used to be12:55
asiebut it's still ISA12:55
jaegeralmost no reason to have a discrete one now12:55
Romsterbecause on board works fine but software mixing.12:55
asiejaeger: that's true, i think i'd be hard-pressed to find a discrete one hearably better than an integrated12:55
asieand i bet a late-90s discrete will sound worse than a new integrated12:55
jaegerpossibly, yeah12:56
Romsteri mostly noticed the wave table midi sucked on shitty sound cards.12:56
asiemidi yeah, but less and less people notice midi12:56
Romsterbut decoding digital to analog for cd etc was always fine.12:56
Romsteri don't use midi nearly as much if at all anymore now.12:56
Romsterawe32 sucked on midi went back to the sb25612:57
Romsterafter that i moved out of midi stuff other than what the few old retro games provided.12:57
Romsterbut yeah hardly anyone uses midi so it's not an issue now.12:58
Romsterjust wish on bard had hardware dmix12:58
Romsterthat is my biggest complaint.12:58
Romsterasie> and i bet a late-90s discrete will sound worse than a new integrated <- not really... some of the top end models of the 90's would be up there.12:59
asieRomster: top end yeah,  i meant average12:59
Romstermaybe a little more white noise than the new on board stuff now.13:00
Romstercheap cards yeah forget it.13:00
jaegersoftware mixing is pretty good, too, is there any time you'd have to have hardware mixing over software?13:01
Romsterwhen you do a few things at the same time and sound starts to jitter a little.13:02
Romsterparticularly when using heavy cpu loads13:02
Romsterlike i do.13:02
jaegerI haven't run into that at all with recent kernels or sound cards but our usage patterns may vary wildly13:02
Romsteri can make gtk apps freeze for a time period when i do like 5 different compiles at the same time.13:03
Romsternot sure what causes that.13:03
Romsterlike i can be at like 20 on load when i only have 4 cores.13:04
Romstergranted that's a lot of queued up waiting going on.13:04
jaegerwell, that's certainly not an ideal usage :)13:04
jaegerintentionally overcommitting CPU13:04
Romsterbut it shouldn't freeze up for more than a few seconds if that. sometimes it can be 10 seconds wait or longer13:05
jaegerwhich scheduler do you use?13:05
Romsterwell yeah CFQ and deadline or what ever it is is meant to solve that no?13:05
Romsteri wanted to change my scheduler to BFS but i need cgroups for docker.13:06
jaegernot sure what the best choice would be when you drive the load to 5x intentionally13:06
Romsteri try not to run too many things at once.13:06
Romsterdifferent tests of builds in different docker containers13:06
Romsterccache lowers all that now. since i make it use my system ccache.13:07
Romsterbut if it's not cached it'll sometimes do it.13:07
Romsterweird thing is not all GUIs are affected.13:07
Romsterlike hexchat will lag like crap but then firefox will run just fine13:08
Romsternot sure if it's a gtk or kernel or what bug13:08
Romsteri'm not smart enough to dig that deep to track it down13:09
Romsterbut i do expect things to go jerky when i intentionally over provision like that.13:09
Romsterbut i would expect GUIs to have there own thread for refreshing.13:09
Romsterto redraw, libxdamange is meant to take care of that too.13:10
Romsterredraw changed areas of the screen13:10
Romsterthis is why i am submitting bug reports i test fix submit my findings <<13:11
Romsterso need to go though all my maintained ports again too.13:11
Romsternot realy much to complain about i intentionally overload my machine with too many containers at once.13:15
Romsterheh date and time is 5-5-15 23:2313:23
frinnstholy hell what a wall of text13:27
Romsterbtw i left you a bug report frinnst13:28
Romsternothing major13:28
Romsteri haven't been this chatty in awhile to be honest13:29
Romsterspeaking of walls a wall fell over in a shopping mall from the 100kmh wind gusts we got today.13:30
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Romsterhey frinnst you should be used to it by now *chuckles*13:35
asiei updated X and now my keyboard and mouse are ignored by X13:39
Romstereasy fix README13:39
Romsterprt-get readme xorg-server13:39
Romsteri made that text file for this exact reason...13:40
Romsterthe amount of times no one even reads a README file -_-13:40
asieRomster: i wish there was an option in prt-get to spit them out after depinst13:41
asieor sysup13:41
Romsterhmm don't they? that would be good if it doesn't now.13:41
asieit doesn't  by default13:41
asiealso that's better thanks13:41
Romsteri nwo it shows post-install been ran13:41
asieit does show which files have readme13:41
asiebut it doesn't cat out the readmes which would be a nice touch13:41
Romstereh maybe13:42
Romsterglad to see i didn't break xorg :P13:43
Romsteranother reason i compile so much testing.13:43
Romster23:50:31 up 27 days,  1:58,  1 user,  load average: 8.00, 8.56, 8.2513:50
Romsterwine is nearly done13:50
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: gudev: 1.10 -> 3.013:59
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: wine: 1.7.41 -> 1.7.4213:59
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Romsterthink i need a break after all that.14:16
Romsterasie, steam works surprisingly well too in crux.14:18
Romsterbeen playing cities lately.14:18
onoderacities skyline?14:20
Romsteri got it when it wasn't even released yet14:21
Romsterpre-ordered it14:21
onoderaCities skyline is pretty much the only game I've enjoyed in a long time14:22
Romster that due has been palying it lately if you don't mind the jazz music.14:22
onoderaI don't have flash ;_;14:23
onoderaany way of watching it without14:23
Romsterhtml5 romster/firefox-gst14:23
Romsterif that works there is also contrib/livestreamer14:24
RomsterCLI program that launches streams from various streaming services in a custom video player.14:24
Romsterhadn't tried it on that though14:24
Romstershould play in mpv though that.14:24
Romsterhe is on at random times so maybe hard to catch14:25
onoderaoh youtube-dl works too14:25
Romsterlearned a few ideas that helped me out in my city.14:25
onoderaI think14:26
Romsteronly on recorded stuff.14:26
Romsternot live streams afaik14:26
onoderayeah I think you are right14:26
Romsterthat's where livestreamer comes in14:26
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Romsteroff to bed14:57
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: [notify] nss: updated to 3.19. Disables SSL320:49
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onoderaI fixed these bugs:
onoderaby simply added [2] from the first bug report to cacert.pem in ca-certificates21:55
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onodera*I mean [3]22:17
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