IRC Logs for #crux Saturday, 2015-05-16

saptechGenerating manpages/smb.conf.5 I/O error : Attempt to load network entity default/docs-xml/manpages/smb.conf.5.xml:2: warning: failed to load external entity "" D DocBook XML V4.2//EN" ""00:15
saptechI got a bunch of these towards the end of the compile00:15
saptechand Footprint mismatch found00:16
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WaspHi does anybody has a link how to set everything up for the console (tty's)?00:56
Waspespcially that I don't lose the scroll back buffer only because i switch the console thats really dumb00:56
Waspconsole(4) states there is resizecons(8) but it's not :/01:04
rmullsaptech: Is your networking up on the machine you're installing samba on?01:07
saptechI assume Mate want Samba01:10
saptechwhat is this file, it always comes up, docbookx.dtd01:12
saptechis there a way to run prt-get and exclude samba?01:13
rmullsure, you could do something like: prt-get install $(prt-get quickdep mate | sed 's/samba //g')01:59
rmullassuming mate is the name of the mate package and samba appears in its quickdep output02:00
Waspwhatever I do, cannot convinde grub2/linux to increase buffer, nor resolution nor to do anything i want :(02:19
Waspgiving up for today02:19
Waspgrub2 config is a fucking mess02:20
Waspwhy they cannot just distribute a stupid default config file as an example as anybody else02:21
rmullWasp: You're trying to increase the resolution of your console framebuffer?02:21
Waspnot only but yes, its one annoing poing02:21
Waspover all i dont have the impression that any change to grub config or even directly in grub2 (edit mode) has any effect02:22
rmullcould it be that you're missing support for anything but the most basic resolution in your kernel config?02:23
Waspalso wanna that the console remembers what it printed and dont "forgets" the scroll back buffer just because i switched the tty02:23
Waspmaybe, i have no idea -.-02:23
Waspbut its hard to redo kernel menuconfig with 3x5 pixel02:23
rmullcould do it over ssh?02:24
Waspthe config is so ugly and confusing02:24
Waspwhy the cannot simply provide a config file02:25
Wasp.. i mean a *readable* config file!!11102:25
rmullThey have built-in help available for most options, that's pretty good02:26
Waspevery damn line in the config file starts with "config_..." thats rediculous02:28
WaspI dont need built-in help, if they would just provide some commands to the config file02:28
koriRomster: I took the liberty of making a Pkgfile for rust 1.0.0, if you don't mind02:29
Waspcrux states to be "kiss" but what do i need a confusing menu drivin kernel config with empty menu entries (for example) and strange ascii menu clyphs when i could have a texteditur with search funcions02:32
rmullWhat's that got to do with crux?02:32
Waspdont know ^^02:32
Waspjust gets on my balls xD02:33
Waspi mean the kernel config menu02:33
Waspsry little bit disabpointed after 2 hours uf reading stuff with totaly no effort02:33
Waspwasnt even able to crash the system02:33
Waspthen its just linux02:34
rmullYou looked around in Device Drivers -> Graphics support -> Frame buffer Devices?02:34
rmulland in Device Drivers -> Graphics support -> Console display driver support02:35
Waspomg, they cannot even sort the about 100 lines alphabeticly -.-02:35
rmullpatches welcome, dude02:35
rmullIf it sucks it's because it's good enough for kernel developers.02:36
Waspno way, who cannot come up with the idea to sort in the first place don't keep it sorted after a patch02:36
Waspokay everything enabled in that menu know02:38
Waspincrease buffer also framebuffer console rotation02:38
rmullenabling everything won't necessarily make things just work02:38
rmullbut good luck.02:38
Waspi know but besides rotation everything was already enabled02:39
rmullThe only time I've ever had full 1080p console framebuffer was when I was using the nouveau driver FWIW02:39
Waspand for the reason i have a tablet framebuffer roration is maybe i good idea02:39
rmullIt was pretty glorious02:39
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rmullNowadays I just use VESA and keep the 80x25 lines02:39
Waspnative resoltuion would be unreadable here ;)02:39
rmullWhat are you actually seeing? 80 cols x 25 rows?02:40
Wasphmm, but maybe the resoltuion is already fine :/02:40
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Waspmakes me thinking, maybe i only have to change the font?02:40
Wasphard to say what resoltuion it is02:41
Waspi mean in generalt i wanna have native resoltuion with a fitting font size02:41
Waspnot adapting the resolution the font to have the size I expect (that's in logic the wrong way anyway)02:42
rmullHave you read through this?
Waspbut at least today i forgot about grup-mkconfig02:43
Wasp(but was already fiddling with at last time)02:44
Waspthe most disapointing thing is that the buffer gets lost after switching ttyN02:44
Waspyes, even with grub-mkconfig no change, did that already last time02:46
Waspah wait, had effect for the console now02:47
Waspbut not for grub2 itself02:47
Waspokay have a look later03:04
Waspbut already googled my finger bloody for the scrollback issue but only find stuff for gnu screen or the usual scroll back buffer03:05
Waspso far thank you and later03:05
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koriso I've run into a snag04:04
koriwith rust04:04
kori$SRC needs to be not owned by root04:05
korifor it to install properly04:05
koriis there any way for me to create a reproducible chown04:07
koriin a Pkgfile04:07
korithat chowns to something other than root that would guarantee it to work?04:07
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frinnstwow kori, that sounds stupid09:18
frinnstyou could chown it to nobody:nobody ?09:19
tilmanfrinnst: thanks for pasting your gcc pkgfile yesterday. i'm now running that one successfully so far09:24
onoderawill the new gcc be in crux 3.2?09:27
onoderaIt seems lots of people are running it without problems09:27
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frinnstsaptech: mate installed without major issues11:17
frinnsthaving docbook installed required me to set PKGMK_IGNORE_NEW="yes" in pkgmk.conf to ignore NEW footprint errors11:18
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cruxbot[core.git/3.1]: libdevmapper: update to 1.02.9713:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: dovecot: update to 2.2.1813:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: php: update to 5.5.2513:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: php-fcgi: update to 5.5.2513:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: php-fpm: update to 5.5.2513:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: php-mysql: update to 5.5.2513:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: php-sqlite3: update to 5.5.2513:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: mod_php: update to 5.5.2513:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: [notify] poppler: update to 0.33.013:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: poppler-glib: update to 0.33.013:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: poppler-qt4: update to 0.33.013:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: lvm2: update to 2.02.12013:25
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onoderalotsof updates :)13:31
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deus_exRomster: when you have the time, check out fs#1191 (qt5 multiple CVE vulns)15:03
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saptechfrinnst, so Mate installed without issues for you? After getting the ntdb working, it failed again with Samba but I'm not seeing exactly why Samba failed15:09
Romsterdeus_ex, i did bump the version of qt5 a few days ago15:12
Romsterand it compiled for me15:12
deus_exRomster: 5,4.1?weird, it didn't is still vulnerable, though15:14
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Romsteri hate upstream -_-15:15
Romsterdon't they ever run tests15:15
deus_exwhy am i getting max 100Kib/s from they move to Jupiter or something?15:18
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Romsterwow gentoo hasn't even patched any of those vulnerability's on qt5 blueness15:21
frinnstsaptech: can you pastebin the error?15:24
saptechyes, I'll pastebin samba's log. is that ok?15:25
Romsteri tested samba a couple of weeks ago i can test it again15:25
frinnstis that what failed? or ntdb?15:26
Romsteri reported bugs and all got fixed15:26
frinnstthen pastebin the samba log15:26
saptechi think ntdb was solved with the docbook and reran the mate script and then samba failed15:26
Romsterah the missing man pages minor but i also reported that too15:27
saptechfrinnst, pastebin say the log is too big15:32
saptechRomster, did you see this message with Samba?15:33
saptechote: Writing smb.conf.515:33
saptech[2670/2770] Generating manpages/dbwrap_tool.115:33
saptechI/O error : Attempt to load network entity
saptechfile:///usr/ports/opt/samba/work/src/samba-4.2.1/docs-xml/build/DTD/samba-doc:19: warning: failed to load external entity ""15:33
saptechthat's mostly what I see with my samba build, but its about 10 or so15:34
Romsterno but i am building it in docker again to see15:34
frinnstI think you've failed to run the install-scripts with docbook or something15:35
saptechI had that show with ntdb but installed docbook-xml and it seem to solve ntdb issue15:35
Romsterldb missing man pages15:35
saptechafter ntdb issue, i installed docbook-xml15:35
Romsterthere jsut man pages you'd be better off ignoring that footprint15:36
Romsterdocbook is hell15:36
Romsterlast time i built samba i uploaded it
saptechi see this installed, "/etc/xml/docbook-xml"15:38
Romsteryeah if you installed docbook it makes that15:38
saptechRomster, are you saying I can install your samba build, if so how?15:39
Romsterif you remove docbook-{xml/xsl} you can safely rm -r /etc/xml15:39
Romsteror you can install that pkgadd samba...15:40
saptechlet me try the pkgadd15:40
Romsterand any other deps you don't have installed already prt-get deptree samba15:40
Romsterrun revdep after see if nothing is broken15:40
Romsterand force rebuild anything that is15:41
saptechwell, not sure if related but i'm having hard time with Time15:43
saptechwhen I reboot it doesn't say set15:43
Romsterdid you sett he timezone in rc.conf ?15:44
Romsterset the*15:44
saptechi've done this, "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago > /etc/localtime"15:44
saptechyes I set it in rc.conf15:44
saptechin rc.conf it is America/Chicago15:44
saptechit seems to always reset to UTC I guess instead of local15:45
Romstercheck your kernel config too i noticed some localtime setting thing15:45
Romsteri don't recall the exact name of it15:46
tilmansaptech: uh, output redirection isn't used with ln15:47
RomsterDevice Drivers  --->15:48
Romster[*] Real Time Clock  --->15:48
Romster[*]   Set system time from RTC on startup and resume15:48
Romster[*]   Set the RTC time based on NTP synchronization15:48
Romster[*]   /sys/class/rtc/rtcN (sysfs)15:49
Romster[*]   /proc/driver/rtc (procfs for rtc0)15:49
Romster[*]   /dev/rtcN (character devices)15:49
Romster 15:49
Romster<*>   PC-style 'CMOS'15:49
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Romsterplay around there it should fix it15:50
RomsterSet system time and Set the RTC time are for hardware clock15:50
Romstersamba is fine just missing man pages on a couple of packages15:52
saptechRomster, where are you seeing the Device Drivers at?15:56
saptechtilman, this isn't any good? "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago > /etc/localtime"15:58
tilman1.) read "man ln"15:58
tilman2.) try running "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago" in a freshly created directory15:58
tilmanand see what happens15:58
tilman3.) to verify your results, run "ls -l /etc/localtime"15:59
saptechI read in some Archlinux doc it mention to do that15:59
saptechi have a /etc/localtime15:59
tilmani don't care15:59
tilmanyou are doing it wrong16:00
tilmanit is easy to see16:00
tilmanjust try steps 2 and 3 bro16:00
saptechls -l /etc/localtime16:00
saptechlrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 May 15 06:52 /etc/localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago16:00
Romsteri think saptech copied the output of ls that shows it with the >16:01
Romsterso i never questioned if he tried to do that with the ls command itself16:02
tilmansaptech: link seems okay then, but you are still using ln wrong.16:02
Romsterthat would be dumb and i've never seen anyone do that ever.16:02
tilman(17:59) <   saptech> I read in some Archlinux doc it mention to do that16:02
tilmanRomster: arch people doing dumb things? unpossible!16:02
saptechtilman, following your step 2, this is wha I get, "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago16:03
saptechbash-4.3$ ls -l16:03
saptechtotal 016:03
saptechlrwxrwxrwx 1 speden ntp 35 May 16 11:02 Chicago -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago"16:03
saptechha, well crux doesn't tell how to do it16:03
tilmanyeah, the manual assumes you can use ln properly16:03
Romsterit says to set it in rc.conf16:03
saptechi did set it in rc.conf16:03
Romsterand ln is brain dead easy to use.16:03
Romsterman ln16:04
tilmanln shows *nothing* on stdout16:04
Romstercrux does not hold hands.16:04
tilmanredirecting *nothing* is kinda pointless in this case16:04
Romsternot many commands give anything on stdout if no error.16:04
tilmanno idea why you are still arguing this16:04
saptechi know crux doesn't hold hands16:04
Romsterunless you add verbosity or debug arguments16:04
tilman*head explodes*16:05
saptechi guess i'm not as smart as i thought16:05
Romsterwho ever did the arch guide/forum needs to be told to edit it and fix it16:06
saptechi was just searching for info on solving the clock/time problem I'm having16:06
saptechI tried arch just today16:07
Romstergentoo has some nice guides but being a different distro they do things differently.16:07
Romsterbut can usually gleam what you need off it16:08
Romsteryou can't trust everything you read out there.16:09
saptechyou guys gonna make me give up on crux too soon16:10
Romsterjsut don't trust everything you read. check man pages, check multiple sources.16:11
saptechyes I know internet will lie16:11
Romsterreason with it.16:11
Romsterthere is a lot of outdated and incorrect data out there. but there are treasure troves of good information as well.16:12
Romsteryou don't learn if no one points out the mistakes.16:13
Romsteris that a reason to give up?16:13
saptechwell, crux is my tinker around with distro16:14
Romsterso is mine but i use it full time.16:14
saptechi've tried it over the years16:14
Romsteryou are foced to learn with crux where you can get away with not knowing on other distros.16:14
saptechI don't use it full time, yet16:14
Romstercrux has a stepper learning curve.16:15
saptechbut over time, as I get older, tinkering isn't as much fun anymore16:15
Romsterso expect more effort to get it right. i find it fun still.16:15
Romsterif you like to tinker and stuff sure if its boring then maybe it isn't for you.16:16
Romsteri like it and it's simplistic Pkgfiles16:16
saptechwhen i get bored of the so called easy distros then I will tinker16:16
saptechi've distro hopped over the years, I've ran gentoo, sourcemage also. I ran sourcemage as my main distro at one time16:17
Romsterif you just wanna run stuff sure, if you want a simple package manager that doesn't get in the way. then we are here.16:17
Romstervoid looks interesting too16:18
rmullYes it does. Does crux have any specific advantages over void?16:32
rmullvoid's features look pretty nice16:33
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saptechvoid is a distro? I thought he was saying i'm into the void16:37
tilmani guess they are talking about
saptechso many distros16:39
Romsterexcept this one is from scratch like us16:39
Romsternot a fork16:39
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saptechyes it does look interesting16:40
Romsternot another debian or unbuntu clone16:44
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rmullI'm going to put it on my todo list16:44
saptechdebian clone16:44
saptechdebian is great16:44
saptechrmull, I'm going to bookmark it16:46
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bluenessRomster, what's the issue?  i don't do any qt5 work.16:47
Romsterthere is a bunch of CVES that qt5 hasn't got in its ebuild. I know your not the dev in charge of that but could you poke the guy?16:50
Romster arch has them listed.16:51
Romsterand there urls16:51
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Romsterjust thought you may want to know.16:52
bluenessRomster, i'll let you know16:52
bluenesserr i'll let *them* know16:52
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Romsterblueness, or perhaps point me at where i submit bug reports? for future reference.16:55
Romsterthanks for that blueness16:55
Romsteri don't like to bother devs unless i deem it important.16:56
bluenessRomster, you can bother me don't worry17:17
blueness(i'm in a meeting right now)17:17
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: sqlite3-32: 3.8.9 ->
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.1]: dbus-32: 1.8.14 -> 1.8.1818:37
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.1]: [notify] qt5: security fix CVE-2015-1858, CVE-2015-1859, CVE-2015-1860, CVE-2015-0295 and a few bugfixes19:02
saptechMate has finally installed19:09
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asiermull: CRUX is a lot more mature than Void22:35
asieVoid has certain arguably better choices, but lacks the package ecosystem and, well, reliability22:35
asieVoid's package manager is pacman-like and the package repo is centralized, CRUX's is ports-inspired and source-based and the package repos are decentralized22:36
asiei used Void for a while22:37
asiewent back to CRUX as it's simply reliable22:37
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