| tired890 | you'll be amazed how fast an old desktop class cpu can route | 00:00 |
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| tired890 | issue is power consumption | 00:00 |
| tired890 | hence why I was looking for those nice tiny mini itx boxes with dual lan ports | 00:00 |
| tired890 | many designs I've seen are infact fanless | 00:00 |
| jaeger | are you dead set on x86? might want to look at something like https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-lite/ even | 00:00 |
| frinnst | http://soekris.com/ ? | 00:01 |
| frinnst | careful with ubiquity though.. they dont play nice with the GPL | 00:01 |
| jaeger | http://www.pcengines.ch/alix.htm <-- I have one of these sitting in a closet, heh | 00:01 |
| jaeger | used to use it as my router, now it's virtual | 00:01 |
| frinnst | i have edgerouter-poe thingy at home currently | 00:01 |
| tired890 | yes. reason I'm only x86 is to avoid vendor lockin/blackmail and obviously for very easy upgrade path | 00:02 |
| frinnst | we ran 3 clients behind it in a site to site vpn thingy.. it used to freeze up every other week or so | 00:02 |
| tired890 | frinnst, thanks for the tip.. even more reason to stay away from ubiqwhat .. sad fact about gpl.. seeing this company was founded using oss | 00:07 |
| tired890 | jaeger, pcengines is what I was looking for | 00:07 |
| tired890 | this specifically: http://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm | 00:08 |
| tired890 | so generally how is the build quality? any particular reason u went virtual? | 00:08 |
| frinnst | http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ | 00:13 |
| frinnst | Connectivity: 3 Gigabit Ethernet (Realtek RTL8111E) :/ | 00:14 |
| tired890 | frinnst, whats wrong with that? I have that and it works nicely | 00:14 |
| tired890 | blobs perhaps? many complained about realteks in the past but personally its been quite stable for me (note tho my experience with them is recent..as in recent products) | 00:18 |
| frinnst | it depends on your usecase perhaps, not something i'd like to support for a customer | 00:19 |
| tired890 | support how? I mean with linux based systems whats the problem? pls elaborate.. this is my work (living).. if there are issues with them I'd like to know if you dont mind | 00:20 |
| frinnst | nothing concrete. just that i'd like to use something that doesnt have a reputation of being "cheap" when dealing with customers | 00:21 |
| tired890 | i see | 00:22 |
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| jaeger | tired890: I went virtual just to cut down on the number of physical machines I have running; I run a lot of VMs anyway so making the firewall/router one wasn't a big stretch | 01:32 |
| jaeger | the build quality is fine on the older ALIX and WRAP machines, I have no experience with newer stuff. I don't think I'd buy an AMD CPU for anything currently, though | 01:32 |
| tired890 | jaeger, I see. impressions on the pc engines kit? good build ? | 01:32 |
| tired890 | I see. thanks | 01:33 |
| jaeger | unless the price is just that good, I guess :) | 01:33 |
| tired890 | I hope things change with zen. | 01:35 |
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| genericnicknameh | I'm attempting to install CRUX on a virtual machine. For the most part, its working, except that when I boot I get a kernel panic because I misconfigured Linux. I'm finding the Linux configuration very confusing, since I've never done it before. Can someone give me some pointers on how to best configure Linux? | 04:27 |
| jaeger | genericnicknameh: is it a vfs/block device error? | 04:29 |
| genericnicknameh | Yes | 04:29 |
| jaeger | ok, you probably need to make sure that the driver for your disk controller and the filesystem you want are builtin <*> rather than module <M> in the kernel config | 04:30 |
| jaeger | also SCSI disk support | 04:30 |
| genericnicknameh | Alright, thank you. I'll try that. | 04:30 |
| jaeger | If you're not sure which ones to enable, check with "lspci -k" and it'll tell you which modules are in use | 04:31 |
| jaeger | depending on which VM platform you use it could be a few different things | 04:31 |
| jaeger | also with that in mind, the default kernel config that the setup program installs has most of them enabled by default, did you use that? | 04:31 |
| genericnicknameh | I tried using the default config a few times, with not much luck | 04:32 |
| jaeger | Might be that the disk controller you're using is one of the ones not included. Which one are you using? | 04:33 |
| genericnicknameh | Not sure, how do I check that? I am using VirtualBox for the VM, by the way. | 04:33 |
| jaeger | in the settings for the VM, under storage, what does the controller line say? | 04:34 |
| jaeger | SATA, SAS, IDE, etc. | 04:34 |
| genericnicknameh | IDE | 04:34 |
| jaeger | ok, then in type, is it PIIX4? | 04:34 |
| jaeger | that's default, I think | 04:35 |
| genericnicknameh | PIIX4 indeed | 04:35 |
| jaeger | ok, then look for ata_piix in the kernel config | 04:35 |
| genericnicknameh | Alright | 04:35 |
| genericnicknameh | SCSI support and piix stuff appears to have always been enabled for me | 04:42 |
| genericnicknameh | Are there a few other related options I might need? | 04:42 |
| genericnicknameh | Actually, I think I may know what I'm doing wrong | 04:44 |
| genericnicknameh | CONFIG_ATA_PIIX is under the SATA controllers section, and I'm using IDE. | 04:44 |
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| jaeger | IDE is handled by the libata (SATA) layer in the kernel | 04:45 |
| jaeger | that is expected | 04:45 |
| genericnicknameh | Oh :P | 04:45 |
| jaeger | make sure that in addition to the ATA_PIIX driver you also make your filesystem builtin | 04:45 |
| genericnicknameh | ATA_PIIX and EXT4 should be builtin. I tried starting the VM again, and it sorta looks like we've been trying to solve the wrong error. Oops. | 04:50 |
| genericnicknameh | Actually, I take that back. | 04:51 |
| genericnicknameh | I'm not quite sure whats wrong anymore. | 04:51 |
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| genericnicknameh | Are there any other options relavent to PIIX and SCSI? | 04:52 |
| jaeger | SCSI support and SCSI disk support should be sufficient, plus PIIX and EXT4 | 04:53 |
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| genericnicknameh | I'm going to try compiling Linux again to see if that makes a difference, since all the options I should need are enabled | 05:01 |
| jaeger | one other thing, are you using lilo? | 05:01 |
| genericnicknameh | Yeah, why? | 05:02 |
| genericnicknameh | Is there a reason not to use it? | 05:02 |
| jaeger | no, it's fine, but are you running lilo after you build a new kernel? | 05:02 |
| genericnicknameh | yeah | 05:02 |
| jaeger | ok, good | 05:02 |
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| genericnicknameh | Well, I tried again with the default config. I made sure everything I needed was enabled as well, still running into the same issue. I'm going to take a break | 05:34 |
| asie | apparently virtualbox not compiling is because of GCC 4.8 | 05:48 |
| asie | virtualbox 4.3.26 needs GCC 4.9+ | 05:48 |
| asie | trying 4.3.28 | 05:49 |
| asie | nope. but there's a patch for GCC 4.8 | 05:49 |
| asie | https://gitlab.com/rogentos/kogaion-desktop/blob/master/sys-devel/gcc/files/gcc-4.8.4-no_instrument_function.patch from gentoo | 05:50 |
| asie | this is required to make vbox compile right | 05:50 |
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| Romster | tired890, http://www2.advantech.com.tw/products/1-2JKKGR/AIMB-210/mod_490ee736-e3da-42c4-8ab3-3778e9aa8fba.aspx | 07:20 |
| Romster | frinnst> careful with ubiquity though.. they don't play nice with the GPL <- got a url describing this we use tons of ubiquity radio links. | 07:23 |
| Romster | ah nevermind i found the link http://libertybsd.net/ubiquiti/ | 07:24 |
| Romster | asie, could get away with clang on vbox perhaps? | 07:27 |
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| asie | Romster: maybe | 07:48 |
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| tired890 | Romster, thanks but I cant buy intel for moral reasons | 11:26 |
| Romster | -_- | 11:26 |
| tired890 | asie, yes wont compile here eitherr | 11:26 |
| tired890 | I have the older version tho | 11:26 |
| Romster | what moral reasons? | 11:26 |
| tired890 | everytime I do sysup I get a virtualbox update failure but figured since already installed version is working will wait it out :) | 11:27 |
| Romster | i'm rebuilding here see how it goes | 11:28 |
| tired890 | Romster, rigged intel compiler to favor intel cpus, paying vendors not to use amd chips (intel paid 1billion+ in a lawsuit amd won) its not like amd are angels but surely its "policy" in intel to behave that way not some random acts of independent employees. hugely documented case pls search (intel vs amd antitrust, intel rigged compiler, intel bribe..etc) | 11:32 |
| Romster | what compiler is doing that? | 11:32 |
| asie | Romster: intel c compiler | 11:32 |
| asie | that's documented | 11:32 |
| asie | the intel compiler optimizes code for various iterations of intel CPUs and does it best | 11:32 |
| Romster | so why does that matter when you're using gcc? | 11:32 |
| asie | however if a non-Intel CPU is detected, it will use generic code | 11:33 |
| asie | Romster: he said moral reasons | 11:33 |
| asie | not technical reasons | 11:33 |
| Romster | pretty dumb for /your/ use case. | 11:33 |
| asie | you're still assuming technical | 11:33 |
| asie | moral doesn't necessarily mean affecting me | 11:33 |
| asie | it means something i feel is wrong | 11:33 |
| Romster | i'm using amd but there cpus lately are crap compared to intel. they have fallen behind. | 11:34 |
| asie | that's true | 11:34 |
| Romster | wrong can be on many different levels. not like tired890 is forced to load a binary firmware blob? | 11:35 |
| Romster | companies can do what ever they can get away with sadly. | 11:36 |
| Romster | if amd were beating the pants off intel i'd say go with amd... but intel hardware is far superior for most workloads. but i decided i can live with a little less bogomips for less power consumed and 1/3rd the price. | 11:37 |
| tired890 | and apparently its not only on a commercial level, I heard form someone there is some sort of "ex-amd club" or something where all former engineers gather yearly and such, they all keep associating with the company long after they part.. for intel no such thing (employee hating club it seems) shows you what kind of culture thrives inside each. Heck I saw Jim keller in a recent interview and from how he talks you'll know he likes it there. | 11:39 |
| tired890 | yea the power things is over-hyped.. hold on let me show u a vid on this | 11:39 |
| tired890 | Romster, pls see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBeeGHozSY0 | 11:40 |
| tired890 | yes intel is faster.. but like I said all of this is irrelevant. | 11:40 |
| Romster | only have amd and intel really? | 11:41 |
| Romster | who else makes cpus | 11:41 |
| tired890 | like u want to rent a fancy apartment.. and the realtor tells you how nice it is inside and all.. when u go there u see its next to a sewage recycling facility and it smells like it all around.. will u bother go inside the apartment to see ? | 11:41 |
| tired890 | I wouldn't. No thanks and walk | 11:41 |
| Romster | nope i'd say pass on that | 11:42 |
| Romster | would cost too much to have carbon air filtration | 11:42 |
| Romster | carbon filter* | 11:42 |
| Romster | power use is pretty moot now with better technology but back earlier there was a huge difference | 11:46 |
| Romster | moot point* | 11:47 |
| DaViruz | Romster: cyrix! | 11:47 |
| Romster | yeah where do you get that now and wont run linux ? | 11:47 |
| DaViruz | i have a few i'd be willing to part with! | 11:48 |
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| Romster | sure slef promoted plug to sell cyrix | 11:54 |
| Romster | self* | 11:55 |
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| joacim | i was thinking about amd for my current build, but there were no recent am3 matx boards available | 12:38 |
| joacim | dont really care too much about performance. any quad core would be fine for me | 12:39 |
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| Romster | virtualbox#4.3.26-1.pkg.tar.xz' succeeded | 13:15 |
| asie | Romster: huh. | 13:41 |
| asie | what gcc version? | 13:41 |
| Romster | it built for me. | 13:41 |
| Romster | one in crux | 13:41 |
| asie | that's odd | 13:41 |
| asie | refused to work for me on two crux installations | 13:41 |
| asie | due to a documented issue with GCC 4.8 with gentoo patches with a fix | 13:41 |
| Romster | i built it in a docker container. you cna recrate it easily but i am uploading it now | 13:42 |
| asie | eh, i already have vbox | 13:42 |
| Romster | http://crux.ster.zone/packages/3.1/ along with enw chromium and wine versions that are slowly uploading now. | 13:42 |
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| rmull | The post-install for opt/wireshark fails: http://sprunge.us/DKIg | 16:47 |
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| cezar | hi guys I have installed libreoffice but now it does not When I click on the icon and starts for a split second then nothing. also it does not open any files. the version is the 4.4.3 I checked the post install file but it seem not to have helped I have installed jre too but it did change | 17:20 |
| tired890 | cezar: prt-get depends libreoffice | 17:21 |
| tired890 | any stuff in the list without i ? | 17:22 |
| cezar | any tired890 | 17:22 |
| tired890 | you mean none? all dependencies installed ? | 17:23 |
| cezar | yes, tired890, none, all dependencies installed. I am running kernel 4.0.3 but I think it does not make any difference | 17:23 |
| tired890 | cezar: revdep | 17:24 |
| cezar | returns command not found | 17:28 |
| tired890 | execute as su | 17:28 |
| cezar | ok | 17:29 |
| cezar | command not found too | 17:29 |
| tired890 | are you using sudo ? | 17:30 |
| cezar | no | 17:30 |
| cezar | I tried as user and as root | 17:30 |
| tired890 | revdep should be part of the default install | 17:31 |
| tired890 | sorry out of my scope there cezar | 17:31 |
| tired890 | hope one of the oldtimers chimes in | 17:31 |
| cezar | no problem tired890 I thank you a lot for the attention. | 17:32 |
| tired890 | good luck :) | 17:32 |
| cezar | tks | 17:32 |
| jaeger | libreoffice is a false positive for revdep, it's a binary port with weird stuff in it | 17:33 |
| jaeger | cezar: run it from a terminal, see if it throws any errors there | 17:33 |
| cezar | no error jaeger the output is also command not find | 17:34 |
| jaeger | I mean libreoffice, not revdep | 17:35 |
| cezar | yes libreoffice either as user or as root | 17:35 |
| jaeger | sbase, scalc, etc? | 17:36 |
| cezar | none of them | 17:36 |
| jaeger | sounds like it isn't actually installed | 17:36 |
| cezar | I will remove and reinstall and will provide a pastebin just a moment | 17:37 |
| Romster | revdep is in prt-utils | 17:39 |
| Romster | it is not in core. | 17:39 |
| jaeger | and will not help with libreoffice | 17:39 |
| Romster | also that | 17:39 |
| tired890 | i see | 17:39 |
| jaeger | well, it might help with some deps but libreoffice will always show up in the list | 17:41 |
| jaeger | in this case, though, the problem seems to be one of not actually having it installed, or a broken path perhaps | 17:41 |
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| cezar | hi this is the pastebin with the installation and the dependencies result | 17:50 |
| cezar | http://pastebin.com/RJwrU4NT | 17:50 |
| cezar | after reinstalling the situation is the same | 17:51 |
| jaeger | what do you get when you run "which sbase" ? | 17:56 |
| cezar | /usr/bin/sbase | 17:59 |
| jaeger | and when you run "sbase" ? | 17:59 |
| cezar | jaeger that is it ... | 18:00 |
| jaeger | looks like /usr/lib/libreoffice/program isn't in the footprint, that's pretty odd too | 18:00 |
| cezar | /usr/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 18:01 |
| jaeger | ok, well that should give you a place to start | 18:01 |
| cezar | yeah | 18:01 |
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| teK_ | are you using a mirror, onodera? | 21:06 |
| teK_ | the original file from http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/individual/data/xkeyboard-config/xkeyboard-config-2.15.tar.bz2 ist working for me | 21:07 |
| onodera | I don't think i am | 21:11 |
| onodera | Password: | 21:11 |
| onodera | =======> ERROR: Md5sum mismatch found: | 21:11 |
| onodera | MISSING 4af1deeb7c5f4cad62e65957d98d6758 xkeyboard-config-2.15.tar.bz2 | 21:11 |
| onodera | NEW 9eaca35a7286354d7637f130af608bf4 xkeyboard-config-2.15.tar.bz2 | 21:11 |
| onodera | I'll try redownloading it | 21:12 |
| onodera | still a mismatch | 21:13 |
| teK_ | maybe your line is screwed | 21:15 |
| teK_ | I'm experiencing >20% loss on the first hop after my home router :-) | 21:16 |
| teK_ | porudly sponsored by Kabel Deutschland, a subsidiary of Vodafone | 21:17 |
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| lains | hello | 21:29 |
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