IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2015-10-11

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john_cephalopodaI got some problems setting up wlan. dhcpcd times out every time.00:36
koricouple questions00:38
koridid you compile the drivers in the kernel?00:38
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john_cephalopodaI got a qualcomm Atheros as wifi, I checked in the kernel options, the "Atheros" option was [y].00:39
viaif there's an interface, its probably in the kernel00:39
viaare you using wpa_supplicant?00:39
viaif you have the control interface set up, you could wpa_cli00:40
viaand status00:40
viaand make sure its good00:40
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viaalternatively start wpa_supplicant without -B to watch thedebug output in theforeground00:40
john_cephalopodaWeird. It tells me, that auth failed.00:43
viawhats your auth setup?00:44
john_cephalopodawpa security.00:45
viawhats your net block look like?00:45
viasans an actual psk of course :p00:45
john_cephalopodaWell, it looks okay. Also it seems to find the router.00:46
john_cephalopodaBut the key seems to be wrong for some reason.00:46
viathe access point? yeah, that makes sense, you're auth is failing, not wifi in general00:47
viayou're setting key_mgmt=WPA-PSK?00:47
viai would suggest that00:48
viai can check your net block if you pastee it or something00:48
viai have to head out momentarily00:50
viathats how i connect to all my wpa2 networks00:51
john_cephalopodaHad to copy it by hand since my other computer has no internet :P00:51
viawell, network=00:52
viaif its bitching about scan's you can try fiddling with the ap_scan option, but that looks right00:52
viause quotes for the psk00:52
viagotta run00:52
john_cephalopodaYeah, there is a =, one of the downsides of copying by hand00:54
john_cephalopodaOkay, after using the psk with the quotes, it works00:58
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john_cephalopodaDo I have to download the packages by hand?01:01
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john_cephalopodaHmm, packages "x11" and "xproto" not found - needed for installing xorg-xinit01:13
john_cephalopodaThe dependency handling is a bit weird.01:13
john_cephalopodaAnyway, I'll leave now. See you.01:13
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viatrees can most definitely not see into my soul06:16
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xveeanyone run xmbc on their crux?08:15
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john_cephalopodaHey, I'm trying to install xorg-xinit, it says that it requires "x11" and "xproto". Those aren't names of any ports though.11:04
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john_cephalopodaDoesn't the package manager have some kind of dependency resolving?11:08
darthlukanjohn_cephalopoda: prt-get depinst <package>11:16
john_cephalopodaAh, thanks11:16
darthlukanperforms simple dependency checking11:16
darthlukancheck out: prt-get help11:16
john_cephalopodaIt's a bit difficult to scroll through it, since | less doesn't seem to work all the time and shift-pgup/down is a bit jumpy.11:17
darthlukanprt-get help | less11:18
darthlukanthen use the vi keybinds11:18
darthlukanj down k up11:18
tilmanjohn_cephalopoda: if "| less" doesn't work you can probably make it work by redirecting stderr to stdout11:18
john_cephalopodaDoes prt-get automatically detect the number of cores I got to compile?11:20
tilmantilman@brimstone [~/devel/lecroy] > grep MAKEFLAGS /etc/pkgmk.conf11:22
tilmanexport MAKEFLAGS="-j6"11:22
tilmantilman@brimstone [~/devel/lecroy] >11:22
tilmanthis is a common way to set up a parallel build11:22
john_cephalopodaWell, fortunately one single thread is fast enough on my computer. :P11:23
john_cephalopodaI don't want to stop the compiling process now, since I'm pretty far alreadyy11:26
john_cephalopodaAh, I'll restart :P11:53
john_cephalopodaSome files are in some weird locations. Like /usr/etc12:04
john_cephalopodaBtw, the link to the manual here is broken:
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frinnstpro tip: dont mount a btrfs raid5 volume with one disk missing12:23
john_cephalopoda15 hours ago, I thought "Oh, crux will be up and running in a few minutes. Haha. I was wrong.12:36
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john_cephalopodaHi again14:04
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newbie__how many members does the crux mailinglist have?15:06
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newbie__it is saved here*/
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john_cephalopodaxorg now kinda works.16:37
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jmc_is there any info on disk encryption with crux?17:57
john_cephalopodaNot specifically, I think. Probably that helps:
john_cephalopodaWhen you encrypt a whole disk, the boot partition must be unencrypted and needs an initrd, so it can load and decrypt the other disks before using them18:02
john_cephalopodaThe crux documentation seems to have huge gaps, unfortunately. And since it is different in quite some parts from archlinux, the parts of the archlinux docs that work in both are not that big18:11
jmc_I see18:12
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john_cephalopodaThe archlinux documentation is really good. It helped me a lot when I set up crux today and yesterday.18:13
onoderais anyone else having egl issues?18:14
jmc_john_cephalopoda: yeah, running arch atm18:14
jmc_but kinda dissatisfied with it18:14
jmc_though I want FDE on my laptop...18:14
onoderafor some reason my mpv (video player) stoped working for some reason, the error: libEGL warning: DRI2: failed to authenticat18:14
onoderajohn_cephalopoda: crux requires you that have some linux knowledge already, I just get most info from the arch/lfs/gentoo wikis18:15
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john_cephalopodaonodera: I got quite some linux knowledge, but there are a few things that are quite different to other distros - like the init systemm.18:18
john_cephalopodaprt-get isn't documented well on the wiki and the link to the documentation is broken.18:19
onoderaman prt-get18:20
jmc_is there lfs documentation on FDE?18:20
onoderaI do agree that the wiki is kinda lacking something though18:20
frinnstfeel free to improve it :>18:21
john_cephalopodaHmm, I could try to make some simple "how to set up xorg properly" guide.18:21
jmc_gentoo doesn't seem to have info on FDE in their wiki18:21
jmc_though there are blogs describing how to set it up18:21
Wildefyras a newcomer to crux, I'd say lack of wiki documentation is annoying18:23
joaciminit system isnt that different18:23
joacimlots of distros use(d) sysvinit :318:23
Wildefyrbut it wasn't too hard to find stuff with google and stuff18:23
john_cephalopodaI'm a newcomer, too :)18:24
john_cephalopodajoacim: The crux init system is close to the bsd one, according to the wiki.18:24
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nwejaeger: there?19:14
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viaeffectively reading manpages is a good skill19:19
john_cephalopodaManpages are sometimes not really helpful. Listing 100 different options but not one single usecase.19:21
viawell, i will admit the linux manpages are often horrendous19:22
viabut they are all the same structure, and you can search in them19:22
john_cephalopodaLol, the only thing that changed after I installed crux completely now is, that I haven't got roxterm any more :D19:23
viachanged in what sense?19:23
john_cephalopodaI used archlinux until yesterday on my main PC. Same wm, same desktop background, same programs I commonly use.19:24
john_cephalopodaBut roxterm is not aviable in the ports, so I have to use xterm until I got the script for it written19:24
viaoh, yeah19:25
viai have the exact same setup with my term, colors, dwm, vimrc, etc everywhere19:25
viaconfigs all in a git repo19:25
viaso if you're feeling extra good, try writing a port19:25
viawhat i loved about crux th emost is how trivial it is19:25
viai store them in a git repo as well, and have ports fetch them19:25
john_cephalopodaYeah, it is bare-bones.19:26
john_cephalopodaThe package system reminds me a lot of AUR. Which was probably inspired by crux.19:26
viawell, and bsd in general19:27
viaits very similar to bsd aside from the fact that it doesn't have the whole makeile infrastructure19:27
viaopenbsd takes it a step further and just uses the ports tree to build packages, and endusers really just use packages19:27
WildefyrI like how much control crux offers even over packages I use heavily19:29
Wildefyrbefore I just installed gvim from archlinux repos to get clipboard support19:29
john_cephalopodaThat concept of everybody being able to set up an own repo is really cool.19:29
Wildefyrnow I roll my own vim with it's own build19:29
onoderajohn_cephalopoda: that's what I like most about crux probably19:33
onoderaI know other distros also have this, but it's much more complicated19:34
viaits adding a file in a directory, and then a path in prt-get.conf19:34
viadoesn't a lot better19:34
viaand yeah, crux's rc system is lovely. similar to openbsd's19:35
viai'm an openbsd fanboy ifyou can't tell, i use it as my main os on most machines...i just like having linux around too19:35
john_cephalopodaArchlinux has an AUR, but I prefer the crux way. This way, you can have 80 different versions of a program in 50 different repos. So you can have a firefox with some enhanced language support in one, enhanced audio support in an other, special deps in an other, minimal static firefox in a fourth one...19:35
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viawhat i do wish though is that crux's ports had more support for being able to make local changes to the tree, although i realize that'd be hard19:36
john_cephalopodavia: Now all the linux games come out :>19:37
viasome of my work things require flash, too19:37
john_cephalopodaThere's only one BSD with a ton of games and stuff and it is ugly, only runs on overpriced hardware and is horrible to develop on/for.19:38
john_cephalopodaAnd it isn't even a real BSD but only a hybrid :P19:38
tilmanmac osx?19:38
john_cephalopodaYep :D19:39
onoderajohn_cephalopoda: there are more linux than osx games on steam iirc19:39
john_cephalopodaYeah, I thought so. I know a few projects that develop for OSX, andn it seems to be pretty difficult without actually using a mac for it.19:39
viathere is basically nothing about osx that is bsd except for i think the coreutils equivilent19:40
Wildefyrvia, yeah I agree that would be very handy, the best I can come up with is putting a source it in a build directory, maybe hosting it somewhere, and get teh Pkgfile to point to it19:42
Wildefyrbut then you have the issue if it's externally hosted you have two copies19:42
onoderavia, wildfire: I made a tool called prtpatch19:43
Wildefyrso you make changes in the locally stored? the use prtpatch19:45
onoderathe idea is that you create a ~/.prtpatch directory, and store patch/diff files in there. for example .prtpatch/core/vim/Pkgfile.patch will automatically patch the core/vim pkgfile when running prtpatch19:45
Wildefyrthat sounds perfect19:45
Wildefyrah ok19:45
viathat really does19:45
viaonodera: thank you19:46
onoderaI use it for small changes, for example I compile vim with --with-x (instead of the crux-default --without-x)19:46
Wildefyrhm, could be handy, but what if I want to rehost my changes?19:46
onoderaplease explain rehost?19:47
Wildefyron github or wherever19:47
viaideally you'd just set it up as another ports repo19:48
frinnsta license might be a good thing :)19:48
onoderaI guess you could just push your .prtpatch, the whole idea behind the tool is to reduce port duplication19:48
viai have a gitup script19:48
viaalthough what about naming conflicts? having ports priorities would be nice... although i can see this turning into a complexity slippery slope19:49
onoderavia: I could easily implement this, I already do with a similar tool ( &
onoderavia: or wait this isn't even needed since you store the patches like this: repo/port/file.patch19:50
onoderafrinnst: will do :)19:50
viayeah, but so you have vim in contrib or whatever, and vim in onodera-repo19:51
onoderafrinnst: will a LICENSE in the repo tree be sufficient?19:51
frinnstYou might want to add the license details to or whatever github calls it19:51
Wildefyrdoes it matter? personally I think having a separate LICENSE file is better19:52
viai think its most important to have it at the top of the source personally19:54
john_cephalopodaThere should be prtman, which takes the same options as pacman while using the prt-get file.19:55
onoderagonna keep it minimal19:55
onoderajohn_cephalopoda: you could easily create a wrapper I think19:56
onoderasome bash script for example19:56
john_cephalopodaonodera: Yeah, I'll probably have to read into that.19:57
Wildefyrthe wtfpl doesn't seem very professional?19:57
Wildefyris there a more professional looking license that you can use that gives them free reign over anything they want19:58
koriWildefyr: CC019:58
onoderajohn_cephalopoda: I used to use some prt-get wrapper when I started using crux19:59
onoderaupper right term19:59
john_cephalopodaThat desktop looks professional.19:59
onoderaWildefyr: I was just kiddinf lol19:59
WildefyrI asked for a account once20:00
Wildefyrit did not go well ^^20:00
joacimjohn_cephalopoda: looks unemployed to me :320:00
onoderathanks joacim20:00
john_cephalopodaFor port files, I'd probably use GPL.20:00
joacimsays neet right there. looks nice tho =)20:01
onoderajohn_cephalopoda: it's quite different now20:01
john_cephalopodajoacim: You mean, no employed person would have enough time to set up a desktop properly, so it actually looks good?20:01
joacimmet a lot of employed people that just use a bone stock fluxbox setup actually20:02
john_cephalopodaI got i3wm with my ultimate i3wm configuration file!20:02
onoderacustomizing interfaces is my hobby :p20:02
john_cephalopodaOh, Phillip Glass. I love the Glassworks intro.20:03
john_cephalopodaBest minimal musician I know. The others are too experimental for me :D20:04
onoderaI'm addicted to his music, probably my most played artist, and I only listened to like 5% of his usic20:04
pedjaAwww, my ports repo is making prtverify screaming its little lungs out20:05
john_cephalopodaI find a lot of nice artists on the internet. Then I buy their CDs.20:05
onoderahmmm .prtverify/reponame/portname/filename.patch should just work pedja ...20:05
john_cephalopodaPony Pony Run Run, Vampire Weekend and a few others. The other ones I buy are ones that friends or family recommended.20:06
pedjaonodera: grep -c FATAL prtverify.log20:10
onoderano idea why I used prtverify there lol20:11
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TheCephalopodI am john_cephalopoda on crux. gst-plugins-base fails to compile20:12
onoderaany errors?20:13
TheCephalopod=========> ERROR: Footprint mismatch found20:13
TheCephalopodSome libstogg and libvorbis stuff20:13
onoderadoes it say MISSING or NEW?20:13
john_cephalopodaNEW for all20:14
onoderaah that means you have some libraries installed the port creator did not, I reccomend setting PKGMK_IGNORE_NEW to yes in /etc/pkgmk.conf20:14
onoderayou can also use use -if with prt-get to ingore the footpint.20:15
john_cephalopodaThere's one thingn I miss in crux packages and package browser: An URL to the website.20:19
john_cephalopoda*A URL20:19
onoderajohn_cephalopoda: eh crux packages have that20:20
john_cephalopodaBut it isn't visible in the online browser, is it?20:21
onoderait is20:21
korionodera: he meant in the portsdb20:21
koriwhich it isn't20:21
onoderaah, when you use the port to web tool provided by crux it makes the package names clickable20:21
onoderaand links to the URL20:21
john_cephalopodaThat would be cool in the portsdb.20:22
onoderaI miss this portdb:
newbie__how to sign up an account on the wiki? clicking settings/register in the top right corner just leads to a page where can login, not signup.20:22
korinewbie__: not available yet20:22
john_cephalopodaAs soon as I got firefox, I'll switch to my crux computer20:27
john_cephalopodaHuh, where do I get modprobe from?20:39
john_cephalopodaAh, root-only.20:40
viayeah.... i think i'm gonna add /sbin and /usr/sbin to normal user's paths20:41
viai don't really understand why distros do that20:41
viaits not like ifconfig needs root access20:41
onoderayeah I also always do that20:44
onoderavoid and sabotage don't even have an sbin20:44
john_cephalopodaLately, distros started putting everything into /usr/bin and /usr/sbin, while /bin and /sbin are just symlinks. Same for lib20:45
viayeah, but a lot of that is driven by the systemd policies, afaik20:46
john_cephalopodaI don20:46
john_cephalopoda* I don't understand the policy of seperating everything in /usr/bin and /bin etc.20:47
viawell, in the olden days, back before udev rules and initfamfs's20:48
john_cephalopodaJust wanted to say that :P20:48
viathings in /sbin and /bin were supposed to be able to run without /usr20:48
viaon openbsd for example, lots of it is statically linked20:48
vianowadays the initramfs takes a lot of the place of that... although i still prefer a system with them separated20:49
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joacimi like the separation21:01
joacima lot easier to setup and understand than an initramfs i thikn21:01
joaciminitramfs is easy too i guess, but i dont care about learning how =)21:02
john_cephalopodaI worked with initramfs a lot. They are simple.21:07
john_cephalopodaHmm, alsa doesn't work.21:07
viaif the distro comes with good tools for creating initramfs its okay (gentoo), but it still means a separate step for changes21:08
viamaybe /boot should have a statically linked sbin/ and /bin lol21:08
viain obsd, / is basically /boot, not much is on it except the kernel /etc and those binaries21:09
john_cephalopodaThere are no modules for sound...21:10
john_cephalopodaHow do I get those installed?21:10
onoderashould be ins the kernel21:16
onoderadevices -> audio (or sound, I don't remember) -> ALSA21:16
john_cephalopodaI did that.21:20
john_cephalopodaBut where do I get that module from? Do I have to move it to the right location by hand?21:21
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Wildefyrso I install ntfs-3g, but when I try and mount it still reports ntfs as an unknown filetype21:31
Wildefyrah I see21:32
nogagplzwhat was the problem?21:33
WildefyrI don't have fuse built into my kernel21:35
Wildefyror as a module, ntfs-3g relies on it21:35
john_cephalopodaHow do I add a module to auto-load?21:37
frinnstadd it to rc.modules21:37
frinnstdid you build and install the modules along with your kernel?21:38
frinnstas in "make modules_install install"21:38
john_cephalopodaYes, they are there and modprob-able21:38
frinnstyou generally dont need to modprobe for audio modules21:38
john_cephalopodaWhy is the kernel that is aviable so old?21:40
Wildefyrbecause it's the newest stable release kernel that was available when crux 3.1 iso was made21:41
john_cephalopodaAh. Is it recommended to change it to a newer kernel?21:42
teK__of course.21:42
john_cephalopodaTheoretically, one could make a package, that updates the kernel from kernel-rsync and compiles it21:43
john_cephalopodaNice, alsa works now. I got to load that module by hand.21:46
Wildefyrfrinnst, do you just place the module name or path into rc.modules?21:56
frinnstmodule name22:03
frinnst"modprobe kvm-intel" for example22:03
john_cephalopodaWildefyr: When you want to use alsa as normal user, do "groupmems -a <username> -g audio".22:07
john_cephalopodaas root22:07
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john_cephalopodaI really have to create a few packages for myself in the next few days.22:08
Wildefyroh I already have john_cephalopoda :)22:08
john_cephalopodaWildefyr: You don't have a roxterm script by any chance? ;)22:09
Wildefyrer no22:09
Wildefyrurxvt masterrace reporting in22:09
john_cephalopodaUsed it once for quite some time. But roxterm is stylish.22:09
john_cephalopodaUhrg, timetable for university changes every 12 hours.22:20
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Wildefyrholy just checked the version for libmpdclient22:29
Wildefyrwaaay outtadate for what is in contrib22:29
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teK__ says 2.10 is current22:49
joacimseems current to me22:51
onodera^, I noticed libmpdclient always stays very up to date23:00
onoderafyi 2.10 is the current version23:00
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Wildefyrscrew their versioning scheme23:26
Wildefyrit's throwing prt-get off23:26
Wildefyror it was23:28
Wildefyrnow it works fine23:28
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