| onodera | Wildefyr: none of the curx package tools are "smart" | 00:13 |
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| Wildefyr | mhm | 00:13 |
| onodera | they don't look at the actual version number, they don;t see if it goed up or down | 00:14 |
| onodera | just if it changes | 00:14 |
| Wildefyr | well the problem was I managed to get mpc make saying libmpdclient was below version 2.3 | 00:14 |
| Wildefyr | even though the version installed was 2.10 and the uptodate copy | 00:15 |
| Wildefyr | but I can't replicate it now | 00:15 |
| Wildefyr | so I'm trying to build mosh, I've installed it's dependencies and installed them all, but when building, ./configure says it can't find openssl | 00:33 |
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| Wildefyr | nvm | 00:48 |
| Wildefyr | reinstalled openssl and it picks it up | 00:48 |
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| nwe | good morning | 05:58 |
| john_cephalopoda | Hey | 06:02 |
| john_cephalopoda | enchant (from contrib) can't be installed - The source at abisource.com seems to be down. | 06:02 |
| nwe | john_cephalopoda: the site is working for me I can download the file | 06:03 |
| john_cephalopoda | Hmm, weird | 06:04 |
| nwe | john_cephalopoda: http://www.netsplit.nu/~niklas/enchant-1.6.0.tar.gz | 06:05 |
| nwe | if you want the file | 06:05 |
| nwe | download it and build the package :) | 06:05 |
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| john_cephalopoda | Thanks. Well, it would also work without it, but I wanted to report it anyway. | 06:05 |
| nwe | okey | 06:06 |
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| john_cephalopoda | bye | 06:13 |
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| nwe | bye | 06:16 |
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| nwe | hey guys would be nice if we fix so start-stop-daemon exists on installation cd.. because you cant start sshd via /etc/rc.d/sshd on the installtion cd... command not found: start-stop-daemon.. | 10:40 |
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| jue | nwe: you are talking about CRUX 3.2? | 10:54 |
| nwe | jue: oh sorry :) yupp :) | 10:56 |
| nwe | 1 more thing... why dont we add fakeroot to core? | 10:58 |
| jue | so, s-s-d is on the ISO | 10:59 |
| jue | what's wrong with opt for fakeroot? | 10:59 |
| nwe | jue: when you building ports you are using fakeroot, and for me I seeing it as "core" because if you make your own ports you will need fakeroot.. | 11:02 |
| nwe | jue: http://www.netsplit.nu/~niklas/crux3.2-ssh.png | 11:07 |
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| TheCephalopod | Hi | 11:11 |
| jue | ah, I see, s-s-d is on the ISO as a package, but not part of the initramfs | 11:11 |
| jue | nwe: thx, we will fix that | 11:12 |
| nwe | np =) | 11:14 |
| john_cephalopoda | I found a few dead links in the link section of the crux.nu site. https://bpaste.net/show/be49e9a18b78 | 11:28 |
| john_cephalopoda | Also it's kind of weird, that "Logos", "CD covers" and "art" point to the exact same directory. | 11:30 |
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| john_cephalopoda | Ahrg, outdated packages... | 12:31 |
| jaeger | crux has a rather small team, things like this will happen. :) | 12:32 |
| john_cephalopoda | gtksourceview is too old for gedit. | 12:34 |
| john_cephalopoda | Hmm, gtg. | 12:36 |
| jaeger | you can always email the maintainer of the package to request an update | 12:36 |
| john_cephalopoda | bbl | 12:36 |
| john_cephalopoda | It's in opt, btw. | 12:37 |
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| rmull | I have a third-party precompiled binary that is complaining about not being able to find libboost_system.so.1.58.0 after a recent boost update, which now provides libbost_system.so.1.59.0. I'm not so knowledgable in the shared library department. What would the typical course of action be to resolve this? Must I recompile the original sources? What about having multiple versions of boost? Tips welcome! | 14:25 |
| rmull | I assume a symlink is not good enough | 14:27 |
| frinnst | might be but probably not | 14:27 |
| frinnst | you cant rebuild the binary? | 14:27 |
| rmull | I could, but I was wondering if there was another way | 14:27 |
| rmull | Because sometimes it's not an option | 14:28 |
| frinnst | if not, i'd look at either run an older version of boost or find a way to run both | 14:28 |
| frinnst | you could try with a symlink, abi might not be broken | 14:29 |
| rmull | Would I know immediately if the abi is broken, or would it not complain until I eventually try to call something that's broken some time in the future while the prgoram is running? | 14:29 |
| rmull | I guess they list a set of "breaking changes" in the boost release notes | 14:30 |
| rmull | for the 58->59 change there is only one | 14:31 |
| rmull | I'll try the symlinks | 14:31 |
| Wildefyr | so guys, I have fuse loaded as a module, but still mount reports that ntfs is an unknown filesystem | 14:36 |
| Wildefyr | so confused, it even tab completes to it when I do mount -t ntfs | 14:36 |
| rmull | For fuse, don't you use fusermount instead of mount? | 14:37 |
| rmull | There is a separate non-FUSE NTFS kernel option, which is why it might be complaining | 14:38 |
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| Wildefyr | huh, what's it listed under? | 14:39 |
| rmull | The filesystem section | 14:39 |
| rmull | But it's not what you want - it's limited to read-only I think | 14:39 |
| jaeger | Wildefyr: the type should be "ntfs-3g" if you're using the fuse+ntfs-3g combo | 14:39 |
| jaeger | "ntfs" is the limited kernel version | 14:40 |
| Wildefyr | ah okay | 14:40 |
| Wildefyr | doesn't list ntfs-3g though | 14:40 |
| Wildefyr | ah it needs to syslinked | 14:48 |
| onodera | Wildefyr eh fuse doesn't handle ntfs I think | 14:50 |
| onodera | the kernel has a ntfs option under filestyems somewhere | 14:51 |
| jaeger | the kernel option is NOT a good option :) | 14:51 |
| tired890 | ntfs-3g | 14:52 |
| onodera | eh, explain please? | 14:52 |
| tired890 | one is a better implementation | 14:52 |
| tired890 | still uses a lot of CPU tho | 14:52 |
| jaeger | onodera: the kernel ntfs implementation is rather lacking, feature-wise. ntfs-3g is the better option | 14:52 |
| Wildefyr | huh onodera, fuse is listed as dependency of ntfs-3g | 14:52 |
| jaeger | Wildefyr: yes, ntfs-3g needs fuse. the kernel ntfs doesn't | 14:53 |
| Wildefyr | ah | 14:53 |
| Wildefyr | I didn't even know there was a kernel option before today | 14:53 |
| onodera | I didn't know fuse handled ntfs before today :p | 14:53 |
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| pedja | so, systemd wants binutils built in specific way. | 15:02 |
| pedja | if I open a bug, how long would it take frinnst to nuke me (not the bug report, me personally)? | 15:04 |
| john_cephalopoda | hi again | 15:04 |
| pedja | we are talking nanoseconds here | 15:04 |
| onodera | y-you use systemd on crux? | 15:05 |
| john_cephalopoda | Let's use binary packages and systemd on crux! | 15:06 |
| pedja | onodera: no, I just build it from time to time, to see how big it got :) | 15:06 |
| via | i think the kernel ntfs is considered deprecated... it doesn't have proper write support afaik | 15:07 |
| pedja | john_cephalopoda: I use ff binary, can't build it on my ancient machine | 15:07 |
| john_cephalopoda | I use nvidia binary because it's faster than nouveau :) | 15:08 |
| pedja | same | 15:08 |
| Wildefyr | but mah freedoms ? | 15:08 |
| pedja | freedom to choose | 15:08 |
| john_cephalopoda | nouveau was really nice when I tested it. Fist it was buggy but then the devs fixed it pretty fast. | 15:08 |
| Wildefyr | srsly though nouveau has worked great for me except 3d performance, which I don't use anyway | 15:09 |
| john_cephalopoda | I play KSP every once in a while and it is unplayable below 60 fps. | 15:09 |
| pedja | i don't have it because I can't spell it | 15:09 |
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| pedja | nouveue thingie | 15:09 |
| Wildefyr | lol | 15:10 |
| john_cephalopoda | nouveau. It's french. And means "new", iirc. | 15:10 |
| darthlukan | Well, this is going to sound silly, I've never had this issue before when sending a message to a mailing list with mutt: But I got the "Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname" error, whereby apparently my username@hostname was sent. Anybody know what settings I need locally so that the crux mailing list doesn't reject my messages? | 15:11 |
| pedja | and 'prt-get install that-novo-open-source-nvidia-freedom-crap' does not work.imagine my surprise. | 15:12 |
| john_cephalopoda | Search for "nvidia" on archwiki. :P | 15:13 |
| onodera | I might try nouveau sometime again, nvidia is pretty much the only nonfree package I've installed | 15:14 |
| onodera | last time I tried it my mpv lagged | 15:14 |
| john_cephalopoda | "For information about the open-source drivers, see Nouveau." | 15:14 |
| john_cephalopoda | oooh, mpv? Lol, it is in contrib | 15:14 |
| pedja | I should really learn to setup dkms, this rebuilding after kernel update 'fun' is getting old. | 15:15 |
| pedja | nvidia, vmware, zfs, virtualbox modules.like I said, fun. | 15:16 |
| john_cephalopoda | I should write a small curses program, that allows you to switch kernels easily. | 15:16 |
| john_cephalopoda | Hmm, why doesn't ptr-get install/depinst/...etc place a lock when starting? It is a bit annoying when the install fails because some other build runs somewhere else. | 15:18 |
| pedja | john_cephalopoda: if we had systemd, you could reboot to new kernel really, really, really fast :) | 15:18 |
| john_cephalopoda | pedja: Isn't there hotswap support in the new kernels? | 15:18 |
| pedja | ksplice or smth? | 15:18 |
| Wildefyr | it's not fully featured | 15:19 |
| Wildefyr | good for patches without shutting down but I think eventually you still have to reboot | 15:20 |
| pedja | john_cephalopoda: what Wildefyr said | 15:20 |
| frinnst | pedja: get amd/ati | 15:21 |
| john_cephalopoda | Actually crux boots faster for me than arch. | 15:21 |
| pedja | frinnst: no, thanks :) | 15:21 |
| john_cephalopoda | Even more, when I don't start dhcpcd at boot. | 15:21 |
| pedja | intel/nvidia for life! | 15:21 |
| pedja | I am an old and conservative man | 15:22 |
| via | intel/amd for life, nvidia is theo nly company that refuses to provide open specs or open drivers | 15:22 |
| john_cephalopoda | The old intel gpus are horrible. | 15:22 |
| john_cephalopoda | The new haswell mobile ones are so good, that I don't have to use the nvidia accelerator. | 15:22 |
| pedja | via: as long as they provide drivers that work, I don't care | 15:23 |
| frinnst | I use the ivy bridge onboard at work, its horrible | 15:23 |
| frinnst | video playback tears | 15:24 |
| Wildefyr | I hear their newer chips are better now | 15:24 |
| Wildefyr | can't iris pro or whatever | 15:24 |
| Wildefyr | s/can't// | 15:24 |
| pedja | frinnst: why is your video playback crying?were you watching Titanic? | 15:24 |
| frinnst | indeed | 15:25 |
| john_cephalopoda | udisks should be in contrib. Without it, auto-mounting devices in spacefm (also in contrib) doesn't work. | 15:25 |
| pedja | frinnst: hae you tried using compton?it fixed tearing for me. | 15:26 |
| john_cephalopoda | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxj1mou03M | 15:26 |
| pedja | xfce,nvidia binary, though | 15:26 |
| pedja | john_cephalopoda: this is awesome :) | 15:27 |
| onodera | does anyone have the egl-select script deus_ex talked about a while ago? | 15:27 |
| pedja | onodera: it requires nvidia packaged in certain way | 15:28 |
| pedja | (egl libs in /usr/lib/.nvidia) | 15:29 |
| pedja | my script-fu is weak | 15:29 |
| pedja | but it works (for certain values of 'works') | 15:30 |
| pedja | it is an experiment (mad scientist style) | 15:31 |
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| pedja | onodera: i can send it to you, along with nvidia port that I use, if you want to play with it.sane rewrite welcome :) | 15:33 |
| joacim | frinnst: the anti tearing options don't work for that? | 15:33 |
| joacim | i think i fixed that on my laptop, but i dont have an ivy bridge chip | 15:34 |
| darthlukan | oh sheesh! Figured out why my email was rejected... Somebody (me) forgot to set the correct SMTP settings... Sorry for bugging you guys with what's obviously PEBKAC | 15:41 |
| john_cephalopoda | There should be repos focussed on specific tasks, like drawing/photo editing, music or games | 15:49 |
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| onodera | pedja please do :) | 15:53 |
| onodera | john_cephalopoda: I (kinda) like how the bsd's and gentoo do it | 15:54 |
| onodera | they have this giant repo with directories like www, x11, media, gfx, etc etc | 15:54 |
| john_cephalopoda | Mmh | 15:54 |
| john_cephalopoda | The thing is, that it is a bit annoying when I want to install one thing and I have to add several port directories for that | 15:55 |
| john_cephalopoda | And those repos got names that don't tell much | 15:55 |
| Wildefyr | best way to package a python program that doesn't have a setup.py? | 16:07 |
| Wildefyr | it just has the program in one file along with the man page | 16:07 |
| john_cephalopoda | You know what would be a real addition to the package system? Optional dependencies. Maybe using something like "#Optdepends: udisks for user-mounting" - it would be completely backwards-compatible. The package manager could be configured then (but doesn't have to - that's the great thing!) to ask the user, if and which optional deps are wanted. | 16:12 |
| onodera | Wildefyr: install -Dm775 executable $PKG/usr/bin/executable | 16:14 |
| onodera | in the pkgfile | 16:14 |
| onodera | john_cephalopoda: there are optional dependencies, some packages ahve them under "Nice to have:" | 16:15 |
| onodera | I don't think the added complexity would be nice, it's very easyt to install the packages yourself and recompile the program | 16:15 |
| john_cephalopoda | onodera: It might be nice to have them in a unified format, so people can write package manager support for that. | 16:16 |
| Wildefyr | as long as you can get the info by reading the pkgfile I think it's fine | 16:16 |
| onodera | yeah I agree that deps/optional deps in defined as variables would be better than the current comments | 16:17 |
| john_cephalopoda | It could be a few lines like "#Optdepends: udisks for user-mounting", or a slightly other format - important is, that the user can see, what the optional dependency will change when installed. | 16:17 |
| john_cephalopoda | I'm pretty sure that mpv can do much more, when all the deps are installed | 16:17 |
| john_cephalopoda | Like youtube-dl | 16:18 |
| john_cephalopoda | onodera: It doesn't matter if they are encoded in the comments or not, the important thing is, that there is a unified format for it. | 16:19 |
| onodera | there is though | 16:20 |
| onodera | # Nice to have: | 16:21 |
| Wildefyr | tbh prt-get could be made to check a line like '# Optional : youtube-dl' and then ask if doing prt-get depinst for the user to hit y at the start of the build process for each optional package they want | 16:21 |
| john_cephalopoda | The "# Nice to have" one doesn't offer the possibility to add a description though. | 16:21 |
| Wildefyr | who needs a description, go check their pkgfile for that | 16:22 |
| Wildefyr | that's where it is | 16:22 |
| john_cephalopoda | Wildefyr: I mean, a description, how the optional package does affect the behaviour of the program that is currently installed. | 16:23 |
| Wildefyr | what | 16:23 |
| Wildefyr | go read the programs documentation for that | 16:23 |
| john_cephalopoda | Like youtube-dl compiled into mpv will make it possible to play a lot of sources of online videos directly. | 16:23 |
| onodera | ^, lists it 99% of the time | 16:23 |
| onodera | john_cephalopoda: that's pretty self explanatory | 16:24 |
| john_cephalopoda | onodera: Yeah, that was just an example. | 16:24 |
| john_cephalopoda | iirc you can compile all kinds of things into gstreamer to add support for anything. | 16:24 |
| john_cephalopoda | And I'm sure that firefox also has some optional dependencies that change its behaviour. | 16:25 |
| Wildefyr | so go and read gstreamers documentation!! | 16:25 |
| Wildefyr | there's no need to list it twice | 16:25 |
| Wildefyr | any crux specific things should be mentioned in the pkgfile however, but that is so rare I don't see it happening | 16:26 |
| john_cephalopoda | Wildefyr: I don't really want to read through tons of docs, then look if those things are aviable in the packages somewhere and then install. | 16:27 |
| Wildefyr | what | 16:28 |
| Wildefyr | if it's listed in the package file as an optional dependency then it's not needed for the core functionality in the first place | 16:28 |
| Wildefyr | a quick google search should bring up what's relevant | 16:28 |
| Wildefyr | there's no need to put the info in the pkgfile | 16:29 |
| john_cephalopoda | Also when I install program appX, and libY is a dependency, I won't check libY optional dependencies - those might affect how libY works though and that might affect some things in appX. | 16:29 |
| Wildefyr | well, you should | 16:30 |
| john_cephalopoda | Checking all dependencies by hand would be a lot of work. | 16:31 |
| john_cephalopoda | Hmmm... | 16:32 |
| john_cephalopoda | It's difficult. If the package manager would stop and ask for every optdep, it would become interactive. And that would be bad for automated builds. | 16:33 |
| john_cephalopoda | So it must be an option. | 16:33 |
| john_cephalopoda | I think archlinux got some post-install message, that tells you which optional (binary) deps are aviable. | 16:38 |
| onodera | pedja: stuill here? | 16:39 |
| pedja | yup | 16:39 |
| onodera | can you share the nvidia port/egl thingy please? | 16:39 |
| pedja | onodera: yup :) but be warned, egl-select is a hack which kinda works, based on gl-select (which works fine, because it was written by people that actually know what are they doing). | 16:42 |
| pedja | with that said, im me your email adress | 16:43 |
| john_cephalopoda | Oh, so many outdated packages in contrib. I'll have to make a giant list and send it to the maintainer mail. | 16:44 |
| pedja | john_cephalopoda: along with the patches :) ? | 16:51 |
| pedja | contrib is best-effort repo | 16:51 |
| john_cephalopoda | pedja: Well, all of the changes are just incrementing the version number | 16:52 |
| pedja | john_cephalopoda: and .md5sum and .footprint changes | 16:53 |
| pedja | hence the patch | 16:53 |
| pedja | clone contrib.git, update ports, git-format-patch away! | 16:57 |
| pedja | or smth | 16:57 |
| onodera | pedja: should I reboot on nvidia update? | 16:57 |
| onodera | pedja: @ line 10 in egl-select there is a space between the var name and directory, you should remove it | 16:59 |
| john_cephalopoda | Okay, I'll look at contributing later. | 16:59 |
| pedja | onodera: you could 'modprobe -r nvidia' 'modprobe nvidia', but I reboot | 16:59 |
| onodera | ok rebooting, gimme a sec | 17:00 |
| pedja | onodera: yeah, I know :) I told you it was a hackish script | 17:00 |
| onodera | wish me luck :p | 17:00 |
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| pedja | good luck.you'll need it :) | 17:01 |
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| onodera | seem to work just fin pedja :) | 17:03 |
| pedja | check the symlinks at /usr/lib | 17:04 |
| onodera | for what should I look? | 17:04 |
| john_cephalopoda | bbl | 17:04 |
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| pedja | onodera: broken ones, if you used egl-select to switch to nvidia | 17:05 |
| onodera | ./libGLESv1_CM.so | 17:06 |
| onodera | hm wait | 17:08 |
| onodera | nothats not part of nvidia/egl I think, read that wrong :p | 17:09 |
| onodera | everything works fine | 17:09 |
| pedja | good :) | 17:10 |
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| pedja | libGLESv1_CM.so should be symlink to libGLESv1_CM.so.1.1.0 which is a symlink to .nvidia/libGLESv1_CM.so.1.1.0 | 17:18 |
| pedja | I could be wrong, though, I really need to remove mesa3d and nvidia, and test this properly | 17:19 |
| pedja | sorry about that | 17:20 |
| pedja | like I said, patches welcome :) | 17:20 |
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| pedja | onodera: if you want to test it, clone mesa-demos from git and build them.there are egl/es2 gears and info tools you could use to check. | 17:22 |
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| onodera | pedja: tbh I barely know anything about nvida/gle/etc., but I'll learn | 17:29 |
| onodera | what I do know is that with nvidia's egl my mpv started being usable again :) | 17:29 |
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| Wildefyr | now, pulseaudio may have ruined me | 18:39 |
| Wildefyr | but how to get playback of lets say mpd | 18:39 |
| Wildefyr | and teamspeak at the same time? | 18:40 |
| onodera | should work ootb with asla I think | 18:43 |
| kori | ^ | 18:43 |
| Wildefyr | well they won't share the same device for some reason | 18:44 |
| Wildefyr | firefox works fine at the same time | 18:44 |
| pedja | Wildefyr: put this in .asoundrc and try.http://paste.lisp.org/+3CX2 | 18:47 |
| Wildefyr | that fixed it pedja ! | 18:50 |
| Wildefyr | super quiet though | 18:51 |
| pedja | Wildefyr: incomplete paste, sorry.try this http://paste.lisp.org/+3CX2/1 | 18:52 |
| Wildefyr | hm using ncmpcpp volume directly affects the volume of the audio device | 18:52 |
| Wildefyr | what | 18:52 |
| Wildefyr | okay yeah that works fantastically | 18:53 |
| onodera | alsa is so hard to configure | 18:58 |
| onodera | once OSS works with suspend i'll switch back immediately | 18:58 |
| Wildefyr | onodera, once you work it all out I might make the switch | 19:06 |
| Wildefyr | anything is better than just alsa | 19:07 |
| onodera | I already have an oss port | 19:11 |
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| john_cephalopoda | Hi again | 19:54 |
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| rmull | frinnst: Btw, don't know if you were interested in the followup or not, but I popped in the symlinks for boost and the binary I had seems to work fine. | 20:48 |
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| john_cephalopoda | Hey again btw | 21:31 |
| john_cephalopoda | Lol: https://crux.nu/files/crux-art/monkey_approved.png | 21:33 |
| john_cephalopoda | Can I force a recompile and reinstall with "prt-get depinst"? | 21:40 |
| john_cephalopoda | -fi and -fr options don't seem to change anything | 21:40 |
| jaeger | prt-get update -fr whatever | 21:41 |
| john_cephalopoda | Thanks. | 21:44 |
| john_cephalopoda | I should make a list for inclusion in the wiki, where common commands are listed and explained. | 21:44 |
| frinnst | -fr is explained in the man-page iirc | 21:54 |
| john_cephalopoda | frinnst: Yeah, but it isn't said, that it only works with update and not with depinst. | 21:59 |
| john_cephalopoda | Who is responsible for the website stuff content btw? | 22:01 |
| john_cephalopoda | (Except for wiki and manual) | 22:02 |
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| john_cephalopoda | vlc build fails. | 22:37 |
| john_cephalopoda | https://bpaste.net/show/97a87157734c | 22:37 |
| Workster | john_cephalopoda, pedja onodera romster/pkg-not tool that you can do pkg-not /usr/lib and it'll list what files are not part of the database. | 22:39 |
| onodera | Workster: that's such a cool tool, you should consider adding it to prt-utils | 22:41 |
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| Workster | onodera> pedja: should I reboot on nvidia update? <- rmmod nvidia ; depmod -a ; startx | 22:56 |
| pedja | Workster: wrt nvidia: I do, just to be safe. wrt pkg-not: prtorphan -d $DIR does something similar | 23:02 |
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| john_cephalopoda | Is there some way to let normal users do "poweroff"? | 23:18 |
| john_cephalopoda | Because "sudo su" > "poweroff" is a bit ugly - brb | 23:19 |
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