IRC Logs for #crux Tuesday, 2015-10-13

ivs_john_cephalopoda: man sudoers > User_Alias USERS = %users > Cmnd_Alias POWER = /sbin/poweroff, /sbin/reboot > ... etc00:03
ivs_aliases, aliases everywhere00:04
jaegersudo /sbin/poweroff works, too00:04
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Spoofinghi folks06:21
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Spoofingi see CRUX 3.2 pre-release commits, you are removed rp-pppoe from iso, it's a bad idea. many internet providers in russia use PPPoE for internet connection.06:25
Spoofingmany users prefer to install CRUX on a home server, instead of using routers06:25
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Spoofingplease don't remove rp-pppoe from crux iso06:26
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frinnstppp should do what you need it to06:45
frinnstSpoofing:     remove rp-pppoe, no longer needed because ppp includes a up-to-date pppoe plugin now (done)06:47
Spoofingmkay, good.. good.. thank you.06:47
frinnstdo you require rp-ppoe? Would you mind testing the rc?06:47
frinnstwould be a shame if pppoe were to be broken when we ship 3.2, obviously06:48
SpoofingPPPoE requires "", typical /etc/ppp/peers/provider config looks like: "plugin eth0 name 'user'"06:48
Spoofingthen /usr/bin/pppd call provider and internet works. without doesn't06:49
Spoofingit's okay, if become with ppp. no problem.06:49
Spoofingalso /usr/bin/pppoe-setup very useful utility06:50
Spoofingsorry about my english %))06:50
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Spoofingjust most providers in RU, UA etc. still using pppoe. I was afraid that you delete it.06:54
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SpoofingI see, | grep, well, cool. thanks.06:56
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john_cephalopodaIt's a bit annoying that I have to add a new repo for everything I'm doing. All gnome-related stuff should be in one repo, for example, to allow installation of all the tools without having to add every repo, just to have one dependency from each one.09:19
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darthlukanjohn_cephalopoda: So then everything that is a gtk app or depends on gtk should be in the gnome repo?09:35
darthlukanand then everything that's qt or depends on qt goes in kde?09:35
darthlukanor you can just create a user repo that has the packages you care about and maintain that09:36
john_cephalopodadarthlukan: gtk and qt are so widespread that they should be in x11 or some other standard repo.09:39
john_cephalopodaI think that interests and dependencies often intersect. When you do music, you need jack, qjackctl, different DAWs and all the plugins and their dependencies. You use it yourself all the time, so you see if something breaks or something is outdated.09:40
john_cephalopodaCurrently, quite some packages are duplicated and I sometimes have to add some user repo to get a program from an other user's repo.09:41
john_cephalopodaOf course there are problems with putting everything in seperate folders. But it seems to work in other distros.09:42
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juejohn_cephalopoda: gtk and qt are in opt which is a standard repo10:15
juebesides that I'd suggest to look at opt/mpup which allows you to combine ports from several repos into one meta port10:16
john_cephalopodaAh, cool10:28
frinnstf u c k hp.com10:56
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john_cephalopodaHmm, why?12:10
john_cephalopodafrinnst: The site or the company12:19
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frinnstbut mainly the site12:40
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john_cephalopodafrinnst: What exactly is bad about it? It looks better than some other computer manufacturer sites.13:41
frinnstjust no13:43
frinnsti can give you a task if you'd like13:44
frinnstdownload the latest ilo2 firmware for a bl460c gen113:44
frinnstbut please dont commit suicide13:44
jaegercongratulations, now you're Sisyphus13:45
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john_cephalopodaThere is a page for the HP ProLiant BL460c Server, but it doesn't tell me what generation it is.13:52
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john_cephalopodaWell, didn't try to download it :P13:54
frinnstthe marketing crap is always working, but it is impossible to find any relevant technical documentation, drivers or firmware13:54
frinnstyou might find a link, but that link either times out or returns a 40413:55
john_cephalopodafrinnst: There is even worse.
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john_cephalopodaOutdoor phones branded by CAT. The us site doesn't list the specs for their phones. The UK site does. The german one has the UK stuff plus an extra section, explaining important stuff. And the french version has everything the german version has plus a 3d guide.13:56
jaegerprobably owned by HP or something :P13:59
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john_cephalopodajaeger: It is some weird company. Extremely closed-source.14:01
john_cephalopodaCouldn't find out anything about the phone software. The samsung star 2 at least got a section with the licenses of everything in it.14:03
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z3braprologic, in your btpd port, the md5sum is wrong for btpd.rc17:46
z3brathe script is false also17:54
z3bra("fi" in the "start" command shouldn't be there)17:55
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john_cephalopodaHmm, firefox doesn't seem to support webgl for me. Is there some build variable or optional dependency that is required?18:43
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john_cephalopodaNot really usable that way.21:29
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frinnstiirc, you need to do some changes in about:config21:50
frinnstand quite possibly start firefox with a variable21:51
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frinnstits still very buggy iirc21:53
john_cephalopodafrinnst: I have googled firefox and webgl, all kinds of combinations. I also changed things in about:config, without effect.21:55
frinnstwhat gpu do you use?21:55
john_cephalopodaAn nvidia GeForce GTX 64521:56
john_cephalopodaIt worked once.21:56
frinnstand I take it you use the nvidia-blob drivers ?21:57
john_cephalopodaYes, nvidia blob drivers. I also found that "Blocked Graphics Drivers" site before.21:57
john_cephalopodaI've been looking for over 24 hours now, so I tried quite some things.21:58
john_cephalopodaOne interesting thing about omtc is, that it has something to do with cairo.21:58
john_cephalopodaWhich is commented out in the Pkgfile because it is apparently broken.21:59
frinnstwe use the bundled cairo with firefox, since they patch their version22:00
frinnstand using the system-cairo (opt/cairo) will crash firefox every 5 minutes or so22:01
frinnstthats why ac_add_options --enable-system-cairo is commented out in recent firefox versions22:01
john_cephalopodaHmm. Okay.22:01
john_cephalopodaDo you use firefox? Does webgl work for you? ( )22:02
frinnstYour browser supports WebGL22:02
frinnstmy graphics stuff from about:support:
frinnstSo its not very "accelerated" on my system, but it renders22:03
john_cephalopodaOh, that's a handy feature.22:04
frinnstthe adapter description looks interesting. looks like something is broken with the nvidia driver22:05
frinnstdont nvidia have a linux forum? i'd start there22:05
frinnstregular 3d stuff works, right?22:05
john_cephalopodaI'll try. Didn't try yet since none of the games I play are in the repos.22:09
john_cephalopodamesa-demos should have glxgears.22:09
frinnsttry glxgears22:10
john_cephalopodaSomething somewhere went terribly wrong.22:11
john_cephalopodaI'll try to switch to nouveau tomorrow.22:12
frinnstyeah, reinstall the nvidia port and reboot or something22:12
frinnstor run the nvidia-mesa switch thingy22:12
john_cephalopodaI already reinstalled nvidia once.22:12
frinnstthats the one22:12
frinnsti ran nvidia maybe 10+ years ago, so im a bit rusty22:13
frinnstlate here, zzz22:14
john_cephalopodaI'll reboot and see if it works now-22:17
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john_cephalopodaHey. Didn't work.22:26
john_cephalopodaNouveau is installed but modprobe doesn't find the module.22:26
jaegerar eyou trying to use nvidia or nouveau? They don't play well together22:31
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john_cephalopodajaeger: I am using nouveau, removed nvidia before that.22:38
jaegerdid you build it as a module or builtin? If builtin, modprobe won't have any module to load22:40
john_cephalopodajaeger: I installed xf86-video-nouveau. Not sure what is set in the kernel. On my previous distro (arch), I could install that one and it would work. So I assumed that it would be like this here, too.22:44
jaegerYou need kernel support (drm) and the xorg driver both22:46
jaeger$ zgrep -i nouveau /proc/config.gz22:46
jaeger# CONFIG_DRM_NOUVEAU is not set22:46
jaegerif it's loaded or builtin you could probably find some mention of it in dmesg, too22:48
john_cephalopodaI got no /proc/config.gz22:50
john_cephalopodaBut I found the option for nouveau now.22:51
jaeger /proc/config and /proc/config.gz are enabled by another kernel option :)22:54
jaegerwas just using that to demonstrate the option name22:54
john_cephalopodaWell, I got the module now. Not quite working yet but close to it.22:54
john_cephalopodaWhat is the xorg-xf86-video-nouveau package for?22:55
jaegerIt's the xorg driver22:56
john_cephalopodaAh, so the kernel needs a driver and xorg needs the xf86 stuff as some kind of extra adapter so it can use the incoming data?22:56
jaegerI've no idea of the low level details but something like that22:57
john_cephalopodaGetting "unknown symbol" errors now.22:57
jaegergotta go for now, good luck22:59
joacimjaeger: isn't /proc deprecated?23:00
john_cephalopodaYeah, I got to sleep, too. See you.23:00
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Worksterspoofing rp-pppoe codebase is merged into pppd. and it works fine for me for the past few years on ADSL2+23:44
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rmullWho was the guy working on crux+libressl?23:52
rmullkori: You?23:52
rmullThey're in the news again (reddit) for fixing an embarassing openssl bug23:55
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rmulland 2.3.0 is available, the port needs an update23:56
rmullis this able to replace openssl?23:56
tired890would be great if crux moves over to libressl23:56
tired890good to have paranoids (openbsd lead) in charge of security software23:56
tired890I'm using libressl in my system, I dont have openssl23:57
rmullhow do you do that? install libressl, then remove openssl?23:59
tired890look at the post install script23:59

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