IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2015-12-04

Worksternice 25C here00:14
john_cephalopoda6 was maximum today.00:15
john_cephalopoda4 currently00:15
john_cephalopodaAnd inside it's under 20. Heating is really crappy.00:16
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korijust fixed neovim00:56
koriwell, I had to stop using the git vers.00:56
korithat wouldn't build at all00:56
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brian|lfsraid card upgrade successful05:12
Worksterso how many terrabytes you got there?05:14
brian|lfson that box like 605:14
brian|lfsthen 4 250GB SSDs05:15
brian|lfson a stripe set05:15
Worksteri'm hovering around 1505:15
brian|lfsI have like 18 on this box05:15
Worksteroh nice, you beat me on the SSDs only got that on root05:15
brian|lfsbut no room for a raid card with the 2 video cards05:15
Workstera have you seen the PCIe extension cables05:15
brian|lfsdid anyone look into why qt4 isn't compiling with webkit yet05:16
Worksterhandy for a tight spot between two video cards05:16
brian|lfsnot sure what you mean my new card has mini SAS05:16
Worksteri haven't had a chance yet05:16
brian|lfsah ok05:16
brian|lfsoh the cables will fit the card won't05:16
brian|lfsdon't think I would have the IRQs if the card fit05:17
brian|lfsdo you live in the states05:17
Worksternope in australia05:27
Worksterjust look up the number of pcie lanes the mobo has05:27
Workster8 or 16 for each GPU05:28
Workstersome for on board sata and usb chipset05:28
Worksterrest might leave enough for a 4x or 8x pcie raid card05:28
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brian|lfsI think mine has like 40 or 45 lanes lol05:54
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brian|lfsI have theh ASUS extreme something or other05:54
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ubuuu quality :)10:41
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Ghost_r00tI had a successful compile on my kernel yesterday but today when I do make menuconfig i get segmentation fault (core dumped).12:38
rmullGhost_r00t: I don't know the answer, but I'm curious about your problem. Was the menu able to show up before the segfault, or no?12:39
Ghost_r00trmull: no; not even those pesky kconfig lines before the menu showing up12:43
rmullIt works for me - is there anything unusual about your install? 3.2? revdep clean? up to date?12:44
evil_shibeGhost_r00t: i think your computer is exploited. are you hacked?12:45
Ghost_r00tevil_shibe: IDN?12:45
evil_shibewhat mean IDN?12:46
Ghost_r00tI don't know.12:51
rmullI dun no12:52
frinnst13:46 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with evil_shibe12:52
frinnst13:46 <evil_shibe> you have sshd?12:52
frinnst13:47 <frinnst> what?12:52
frinnst13:49 <evil_shibe> i need shell12:53
frinnstworst fishing attempt ever?12:53
rmullfrinnst: Lol, why was that so funny12:55
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john_cephalopodaI got "ptrdir /usr/ports/kde4" and the folder exists and contains port. prt-get says "No matching packages found" though. What could be the reason for that?16:18
john_cephalopodaports -l lists the port.16:19
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john_cephalopodaprtdir instead of ptrdir...16:20
john_cephalopodaBtw, opt/pinentry requires opt/libassuan as dependency.16:27
teK____there's a bug in flyspray already :)16:28
john_cephalopodaAh, nice.16:29
teK____kinda. I have to fix that ;)16:29
john_cephalopodaIs flyspray only for opt, core and contrib or any package bugs?16:30
john_cephalopodaHmm, opt/mysql want that a user called "mysql" exists.16:50
teK____configure your prt-get properly (to execute the pre/post-install scripts)16:51
teK____they are taking care of things like adding users, if required. And you do not want mysqld to run as root. So this is a good thing16:51
john_cephalopodaAh, okay. Why doesn't prt-get execute those scripts by default?16:53
teK____maybe you want to change users created etc.. it's just not the default16:54
john_cephalopodaAh, ok.16:55
john_cephalopodaIt's a bit weird when installing some dependencies and something doesn't work because I didn't execute pre-install.16:56
john_cephalopodaCurrently trying to install krita ( )16:57
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tilmanthese OIN guys17:40
tilmanthey are literally rick astley17:40
tilmannever giving up.17:40
john_cephalopodaWhat's OIN?17:42
tilmanopen invention network17:42
tilmanthey've been hassling us (CRUX) to join them17:42
john_cephalopodaWhat would the advantages/disadvantages be?17:44
tilmandunno, but it involves somebody from our side signing a document i think17:44
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joacimsounds like a hassle17:55
john_cephalopodaArchlinux, Ubuntu and Debian didn't sign.17:57
john_cephalopodaGentoo signed.17:57
tilmanimho crux isn't significant enough to play a role there. before i'd sign anything i'd probably have to have a lawyer look it over ($$$), so.17:57
john_cephalopodaOh, canonical is core member.17:58
joacimi'd sign it for a beer and nachos17:58
john_cephalopodaWhen money comes out, you can buy a build server and crux will be binary ;D17:58
john_cephalopodaAnd if you don't go binary, you can just give the money to me.17:59
tilmanthere's no money17:59
john_cephalopodaIs there cake?17:59
john_cephalopodaOr is the cake a lie?17:59
john_cephalopodaValve is an OIN member. So it is probably a lie.17:59
joacimnot sure what oin is18:01
john_cephalopodaprt-get should be more interactive. It would be cool, if it would list the packages that it is going to install.18:01
teK____oclhashcat on github, protect thee passwords18:02
tilman(18:42) <@   tilman> open invention network18:02
joacimlooks like a committee. one that does little more than serve a list of companies that support them on their website18:02
joacim"The Open Invention Network is a shared defensive patent pool with the mission to protect Linux."18:03
joacimcrux has patents?18:03
tilmanof course not18:04
john_cephalopodaI got the impression that every second kde4 package is broken.18:08
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asiehere's a copy ->
john_cephalopodaHmmm... I do "ports --update" but mesa is still on 10.something while the pkgdb package is at 11.something already. Why's that?18:12
frinnstdoes your xorg.rsync file point to the old repo?18:13
frinnstyou can find it in /etc/ports/18:13
john_cephalopodaMaybe. Didn't know that it changedl.18:13
frinnstwell, if you upgraded from 3.1 it has18:14
frinnstand unless you ran rejmerge after the upgrade it would remain at 3.118:14
john_cephalopodaMeh, upgrading...18:14
frinnstyou know, like it says in the DOCS18:14
john_cephalopodaCan upgrade be done without the CD needed?18:15
frinnstyes but its not recommended18:15
joacimyeah you can also use a usb thumb drive =)18:15
john_cephalopodaI am a rolling release guy. :þ18:16
john_cephalopodaLived with arch for too long.18:16
frinnstsince your system will be semi-unusable for a while18:16
tilmanjust do as suggested18:16
tilmanwill take 5 minutes18:16
frinnstyeah. quickest and easiest way to upgrade18:17
joacimupgrading from the iso is probably faster than trying to make your own "rolling" crux18:17
john_cephalopoda13 minutes. Downloading takes 8 minutes :P18:17
asietime to upgrade, hm-hm18:18
john_cephalopoda15 minute download.18:19
john_cephalopodaMy network speed is horrible.18:19
joacimthis upgrade gives me a chance of trying out ipmi on my server18:19
john_cephalopodaDoes "setup" install all the new sync configs and stuff?18:21
frinnstafter you've run rejmerge and OK the updated file, sure18:22
john_cephalopodaWhen do I execute rejmerge - before or after chrooting to my OS?18:27
asiealso, the crux 3.2 iso seems to have broken nano18:27 missing18:28
john_cephalopodaOk, won't update nano.18:28
skrzypuse hakase^Wvi then18:29
john_cephalopodaOh, wait.18:29
asieskrzyp: just pointing it out18:29
john_cephalopodaVi(m) is only used, because people tried it out once and haven't found out how to exit it yet.18:29
jaegerlibmagic is provided by core/file18:30
asiei am aware, i'm merely speaking of the liveCD18:30
asieas in the ISO18:30
skrzypjohn_cephalopoda: it's not too funny when you heard that 999999 times18:35
john_cephalopodaskrzyp: I tell it in all kinds of channels, I forget where I told it already.18:36
joacimjohn_cephalopoda: rejmerge right after doing the actual upgrade18:36
john_cephalopodaBrb with 3.218:37
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asieokay, one machine 3.2'd, time for the othe rone18:48
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john_cephalopoda3.2 now.19:32
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john_cephalopodacmake seems outdated.20:48
john_cephalopoda3.4.1 is latest20:49
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john_cephalopodaCrux update broke more than it fixed.21:40
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john_cephalopodaHi plurt22:23
plurthey there22:31
plurtI'm new to crux (not to linux) and to ports (although have used them in bsd*)22:32
john_cephalopodaWelcome plurt :)22:33
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plurtI was trying to get the kde4 ports tree, and have added it to prt-get.conf, but I don't get the tree22:33
plurtI noticed the rsync file is for crux 3.0, so I've changed that to 3.2 but still don't get a ports tree22:34
plurtany ideas ?22:34
Romster<frinnst> <- ROFL this is good22:35
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plurtwelcome back :)22:39
plurtI had a question but you missed it john_cephalopoda :)22:40
john_cephalopodaHmm, what was it?22:40
plurtI was trying to get the kde4 ports tree, and have added it to prt-get.conf22:40
plurtI noticed the rsync file is for crux 3.0, so I've changed that to 3.2 but still don't get a ports tree22:40
john_cephalopodaHave you done "sudo ports --update" already?22:40
plurtyeah, 'ports -u' as root22:41
john_cephalopodaAlso 3.2 won't work, kde4 doesn't exist for it. Try 3.122:43
plurtah, ok22:43
plurtnah .. doesn't work, I guess I'll have to wait for 3.2 ?22:44
john_cephalopodaIt works for me.22:45
john_cephalopodaSo /usr/ports/kde4 doesn't exist at all?22:45
plurtI had no problem with 'contrib'22:46
plurtit's driving me nuts22:46
john_cephalopodakde4.rsync is in /etc/ports?22:47
plurtand I've tried changing kde4.rsync to 3.1 and 3.2 (it was 3.0 when I downloaded it from
john_cephalopodaWhat's your output for ports -u ?22:51
plurtroot@crux:/usr/ports# ports -u22:52
plurtUpdating file list from
plurtUpdating collection contrib22:52
Romsterbe sure to check broken packages with revdep22:52
plurtFinished successfully22:52
plurtUpdating file list from
plurtUpdating collection core22:52
plurtFinished successfully22:52
plurtUpdating file list from
plurtUpdating collection opt22:52
Romsterafter a upgrade22:52
plurtFinished successfully22:52
plurtUpdating file list from
frinnstno, stop22:52
plurtUpdating collection xorg22:52
plurtFinished successfully22:52
frinnstkde4 is still on the 3.0 branch22:52
Romsterdon't paste to the channel...22:52
john_cephalopodaIt doesn't even check kde4. Also do what Romster said, use or similar to paste more than 3 lines.22:53
plurtk, won't happen again, damn I'm making a lousy impression here now :) sry folks22:54
Romsteri can say boost will need a rebuild to match the new gcc version22:54
Romsterif you use that22:54
Romsterit's fine plurt22:54
frinnst22:40 <john_cephalopoda> Crux update broke more than it fixed.22:54
frinnstlike what?22:54
Romsterjust don't flood us.22:54
john_cephalopodafrinnst: Somehow ffmpeg TLS connections fail.22:55
john_cephalopodaMaybe I broke something when I rejmerged.22:55
frinnstrejmerge only handles config files22:56
john_cephalopodaYeah, it could be a config thing. Though I'm pretty sure that I didn't touch any gnuTLS stuff.22:56
frinnstrun revdep22:57
frinnstsince upgrading with the iso will only upgrade the packages available on the iso (obviously)22:57
frinnstso you could have lots of stuff linked against now non-existing libraries22:57
john_cephalopodaWhat does revdep do?22:59
frinnstrevdep - checks for missing / wrong libraries of installed packages using ldd22:59
john_cephalopodaAh, thx.22:59
frinnstits part of opt/prt-utils22:59
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Romsterand thankfully i got a mate to rewrite the horrible slow shell version to C, with my input on how it should work.23:25
john_cephalopodaHow long does it take to run?23:25
frinnsttakes 7 seconds here23:26
john_cephalopodaRebuilding it.23:28
john_cephalopodaIt's running forever.23:28
john_cephalopoda473 packages.23:29
john_cephalopodaOh, seems like texlive makes troubble23:31
Romsterabout 2 and a half minutes to go though my ~800 packages installed on a SSD23:31
arceterahow do i limit nick size in weechat23:31
Romsterlonger on a spindle disk, due the massive amounts of head thrashing.23:32
Romsternote some ports (notably binary like jre jdk libreofice) will always show up in revdep.23:33
john_cephalopodaMakes sense. I'm on a disk.23:33
dbrookeRomster: was looking at using docker image romster/crux-base-3.2 to test ports and noticed that the description references romster/crux-base (no -3.2)23:37
Romsteroops that was a typo23:38
Romsteri made a docker-start shell script so i can do docker-start portname23:39
Romsterand test that one port.23:39
Romsteror in some cases dokcer-start compat-32 and test just compat-3223:40
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dbrookeit's all a bit new to me but I made some ports of things I'd built manually and want a way to confirm I've picked up the dependencies and got a clean footprint and docker seemed like it might be a good way23:42
Romsterit's great for testing for missing dependencies and creating clean .footprints23:43
Romsterjust think of it as a clean chroot.23:43
Romsteronly the back end is done differently in docker23:44
Romsteri took the effort to make docker use a real thin provison logical volume in lvm. since i use lvm already. but it's probably overkill to do that, but it beats the loop mounted file performance.23:45
Romsteractually i should edit that gist so it uses $USER23:46
Romsteror $HOME23:46
dbrookeI could just create a new user 'romster' 8-)23:47
john_cephalopodaHow do I rebuild all packages that depend on a package again?23:50
Romsterprt-get update -fr `prt-get quickdep foo`23:50
Romsterbut what are you rebuilding all deps for?23:50
Romsterif it's xorg. prt-get readme xorg-server23:51
john_cephalopodaJust want to know in case I need it after rebuilding some updated lib.23:52
john_cephalopodaBut I doubt since those should be compatible23:52
Romstermake sure you got contrib and possibly compat-32 on the 3.2 branch as well.23:52
Romsterwell all you do there is prt-get update -fr `revdep`23:52
joacimdont usually need to rebuild everything23:53
Romsteryeah, what joacim said.23:53
joacimrebuilding what revdep complains about is more than enough23:53
Romsterunless you did something that broke packages in naughty ways while -fomgoptimise23:54
Romsteror used the gold linker when it was still experiential. :P23:54
john_cephalopodaNah, nothing of that.23:55
dbrookeRomster: needs a few more # (on the continuation lines of the commented out bit)23:56
Romsterah nuts -_-23:56
dbrookeand seems that dash doesn't do ANSI prompts23:56
john_cephalopodaRolling release would be so much easier for the user :þ23:57
Romsteroh yeah, just issue "bash" in the docker container23:57
Romsteri've been doing that23:57
dbrookeyeah, that works23:57
dbrookeI'll play more over the weekend, it's late here23:58

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