IRC Logs for #crux Thursday, 2016-01-28

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brian|lfshey Romster you around?00:11
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brian|lfsbrb rebooting00:56
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Halfwitz3bra: Hey, if you're around I'd like to say thanks for your work on wmutils, especially the scripts (groups, watcher, focus) - I didn't have to write them, and that's fantastic :p01:00
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brian|lfsI'm back01:00
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Halfwitbrian|lfs: He's a bit absurd, heh.05:11
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brian|lfshhey05:19
brian|lfswho is absurd05:19
brian|lfswow glad new keyboard is coming05:19
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HalfwitMy watcher script seems to pause whenever I try to run lemonbar in any way :(05:59
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rmullCrux has been totally uneventfully stable for me for a while - thanks!13:04
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rmulljaeger: Btw, the gentoo handbook still recommends the /usr/src/linux symlink13:06
rmullMaybe it's different for them in that their glibc is compiled against their packaged kernel sources13:08
rmullWhich (if I'm understanding correctly) is the remaining purpose of /usr/src/linux13:09
rmullBut that would imply that every time they release a new gentoo-sources they also release a new glibc13:12
rmullwhich I don't recall noticing13:12
rmullI am now moving mine into my home dir and cleaning out /usr/src. Will report if anything goes screwy.13:15
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frinnstI usually keep my kernel stuff in /usr/src - mostly out of habit & tradition :-)14:07
groovy2shoessame here14:08
xeirrryeah same here14:09
onoderas-same14:09
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: chromium: updated to 48.0.2564.9714:46
koriI use /src14:53
pitilloufff... two chromium updates in around 24h...14:54
skrzypso 50% of this time is compiling :D15:01
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john_cephalopodaHey15:09
john_cephalopodaIs there some way to find out the size of a package?15:10
Wildefyrjohn_cephalopoda : try du -h $(cat .footprint)15:12
Wildefyrbasic but you can esily expand15:12
john_cephalopodaI plan to use crux for streaming (using gstreamer) and knowing the disk space requirements would be helpful.15:13
Wildefyrbut we just got rid of gstreamer from firefox!15:14
Wildefyri'd take a look at obs tbh15:14
Wildefyropensource and works on linux now15:15
john_cephalopodaAh, I'm not streaming video, only audio.15:15
john_cephalopodaStudio-Transmitter-Link for the student radio.15:15
Wildefyrah okay15:30
john_cephalopodaHmm, crux3.2 doesn't seem to have a working nano in the installer.15:38
john_cephalopodaWill an updated version ever be uploaded?15:38
john_cephalopodaIt's a bit annoying when I have to mess around with vim, which never really works.15:39
john_cephalopodaIn virtualbox, the vim output is completely unreadable and corrupted.15:39
jaegerwhat do you mean by corrupted?15:41
john_cephalopodaParts of the curses UI are drawn over each other15:46
john_cephalopodaIt's a bit like xterm -t :P15:47
john_cephalopodaBut with ncurses15:47
jaegerhrmm... how would I duplicate that? not seeing it in virtualbox15:49
john_cephalopodaTry to write something and press :q a few times. Or :q! and then start vim again.15:52
john_cephalopodaAlso try to behave like somebody who has no clue how vim works, so press escape a few times, write ":wqnfdsafdfdsfd" and stuff.15:52
john_cephalopodaIdk how I did that, I have no clue how vim works :P15:53
john_cephalopodaAaaa, computers are so annoying15:59
john_cephalopodaWhy does one need an OS with an entire network stack to load the bootloader?16:00
jaegerhrmm, I can't make it break here16:04
jaegervirtualbox 5.0.10 on a windows host if that matters16:04
john_cephalopoda5.0.12 on linux16:05
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john_cephalopodaMaybe I pressed some key combination that disturbed the text flow16:06
john_cephalopodaHuh, it seems that GPT only works properly together with UEFI16:09
groovy2shoesnot surprising16:12
groovy2shoesjaeger, unfortunately I haven't been able to reproduce that issue with docbook-xml... it happened the first time I installed it, but any time I install it now, it's fine16:13
groovy2shoesjaeger, I did notice that on Slackware, those entries added to /etc/xml/docbook-xml are also added to /etc/xml/catalog, so I wonder if there's different software that relies on one or the other16:14
jaegerThey should probably be merged into catalog... with that said, I've not experienced any failures to write either file16:14
groovy2shoesit didn't seem like a failure to write the file to me, it seemed like xmlcatalog was overwriting the previous entries on every add for some reason... maybe it's a bug with xmlcatalog, but like I said, I can't reproduce it16:15
groovy2shoeslike, the docbook-xml catalog was there, but it contained only the results of the last `xmlcatalog --add`, and not the results of all of them16:16
groovy2shoesI'd also argue that the writes to the catalog ought to be a post-install script, like in docbook-xsl16:19
jaegerthey weren't a post-install in docbook-xml because that's what package owns and creates catalog16:20
jaegerthen docbook-xsl was just supposed to add to it16:21
groovy2shoesah16:21
groovy2shoeswhat about other packages that need to update the catalog?16:21
jaegerthey should use post-installs16:21
jaegerAlso, I don't know/remember why /etc/xml/docbook-xml got created instead of catalog16:22
groovy2shoeswell, for what it's worth, Slackware has both, with more-or-less identical contents16:22
groovy2shoessorry if you're tired of hearing about docbook-xml lol16:29
groovy2shoesit's just such a pain in the ass16:29
groovy2shoesbrb16:30
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jaegerNo worries. Just haven't had time to work on it16:41
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onoderaI'm trying to compile audacity: and it fails with a ./configure: 15: ./configure: Bad substitution16:55
onoderahttps://github.com/audacity/audacity/blob/master/lib-src/libsoxr/configure#L1516:55
onoderathis file, line 15, does anyone know what goes wrong16:55
groovy2shoesonodera, I think that's a bashism17:01
groovy2shoestry changing #!/bin/sh at the top to #!/bin/bash17:01
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jaegeror try CONFIG_SHELL=/bin/bash ./configure17:02
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groovy2shoesonodera, if you don't have bash installed and don't want it, it looks like mksh from contrib supports that form of variable substitution as well17:05
john_cephalopodaonodera: Had the same error. I just unlinked /bin/sh and replaced it with a symlink to /bin/bash17:09
john_cephalopodaThough that's kinda the brutefoorce way to do it17:10
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onoderahmmm17:17
Wildefyrtbh onodera we could do with getting audacity in the 6c37 repos17:17
Wildefyreveryone elses build for it seem to be broken af17:18
onoderajaeger: thanks17:18
onoderaI tried SHELL= and bash ./configure before, both didn't work17:18
jaegernp17:19
groovy2shoesI love this channel17:19
groovy2shoesI'm always learning new shit17:19
Wildefyryeah man the ops in this channel are gods amongst mortals17:21
groovy2shoesand conversation generally stays on-topic, too, which you can't say about a lot of channels anymore :/17:22
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onoderaI don't really like channels like #arch-linux for example17:29
onoderaso many people, and really hard to follow a convo17:29
groovy2shoes##slackware is usually just a lot of off-topic talk about politics or armchair economics or just random topics, really, and it bothers me quite a bit17:30
Wildefyragreed17:30
Wildefyrit's hard to find relevant channels17:30
WildefyrI quite like #mpv right now17:30
groovy2shoes#lua used to be really good, and now it's like there's an in-group that just constantly banters17:30
Wildefyrone of the devs is always around17:30
groovy2shoesjaeger, are you in Australia as well?17:31
jaegerfor values of "Australia" approaching "midwest US", yes. :)17:41
groovy2shoesoh, lol :D17:50
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skrzypprologic: linux-firmware port is broken.18:35
skrzypI mean, distfile server is down18:35
skrzypso I can't use my WiFi card.18:36
skrzypCan someone make a proper version which clones this package from upstream Git repo?18:38
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Wildefyrgive me a link to the git repo and I'll put it in 6c37-git18:54
john_cephalopodaI got some nice packages18:55
john_cephalopodaFor various stuff18:55
john_cephalopodaI should commit to 6c3718:55
Wildefyrfeel free18:55
Wildefyrjust check our port guide lines18:55
skrzypWildefyr: I don't have access to the browser rn18:57
skrzypWildefyr: but it's on kernel.org cgit18:57
Wildefyrdo you even curl bro18:59
Wildefyror w3m18:59
Wildefyror lynx18:59
Wildefyror wget18:59
john_cephalopodawget makes automatic md5 sum checks. It's pretty neat.19:00
john_cephalopodaAt least for sources.19:00
john_cephalopodaIt is usable for viewing websites but it isn't very shiny.19:00
skrzypWildefyr: do I look like stallman?19:02
skrzypwho browses websites reading their HTML?19:02
skrzyp(he does this actually, sending HTTP requests via e-mail client to bot on his server)19:02
WildefyrI do occasionally19:05
tilman"wget makes automatic md5sum checks" -- what?19:05
Wildefyrsometimes I just stay in the framebuffer with nothing tmux19:05
tilmanhow the hell is it supposed to know the correct/expected hash?19:05
Wildefyrnothing but tmux*19:05
skrzypWildefyr: I think you should query Tsutsukakushi, who doesn't use X at all19:07
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Wildefyryh I've seen19:08
Wildefyrright I'll write that port for you now19:09
skrzypok, sounds nice19:09
skrzypbut I think it might replace the contrib one, instead of duplicationg it in 6c3719:10
Wildefyrwe don't put git packages in the offical repos19:10
john_cephalopodaWhat was the package for finding out dependencies of a package again?19:11
john_cephalopoda(Of a new package that doesn't have any in its header yet)19:11
skrzypprt-get depends <pkgname>19:11
skrzypprt-get dependent <pkgname>19:11
skrzypfor deps and revdeps19:12
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john_cephalopodatilman: I had it a few times, that it checked the checksum. It downloaded http://example.com/file.iso and then checked against http://example.com/file.md519:12
john_cephalopodaskrzyp: I meant for finding out which deps a package has that I just created.19:13
tilman:O19:13
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pitillojohn_cephalopoda: finddeps19:14
skrzypwat.19:14
skrzypI thought deps are just in header19:15
john_cephalopodapitillo:19:15
john_cephalopodathx19:15
pitillonp19:15
john_cephalopodaskrzyp: No, you got me wrong - I am creating a package myself, so I have to find out the deps I need for that. That's why they aren't in the header.19:16
skrzypldd?19:16
skrzypand READMEs of that software19:16
john_cephalopodaglibc (core) is the only thing listed with finddeps.19:17
deus_exweird.after update to latest nvidia, graphics card fan is almost always on 60%, even on idle system.19:18
Wildefyrskrzyp: linux-firmware-git is now in 6c37-git19:20
skrzypsudo ports -u19:20
skrzypfsck, wrong window19:20
Wildefyrlet me know if issues19:21
skrzypnow I'm cloning19:23
skrzypit might take a while19:23
john_cephalopodaQt5 package is broken.19:23
john_cephalopodahttps://bpaste.net/show/0a530000a32f19:23
john_cephalopodaThe cmake stuff doesn't work at all.19:23
pitillojohn_cephalopoda: fill a bug in FS reporting the problem19:25
deus_exjohn_cephalopoda: it's at /usr/share/qt5/include/QtNetwork/QtNetwork.cmake problem, it seems.19:27
john_cephalopodadeus_ex: It happens with every .cmake in Qt.19:27
john_cephalopodaQtCore.cmake, too19:27
skrzypWildefyr: looks like it works19:29
skrzypbut there's nothing to work there, they're just a bunch of static ucodes19:29
deus_exjohn_cephalopoda: stellarium builds just fine (qt5, cmake)19:30
john_cephalopodaHmm, weird.19:30
john_cephalopodaMaking an update -fr now19:30
deus_exbut I use qtchooser, so...19:31
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cruxbot[core.git/3.2]: [notify] openssl: updated to 1.0.2f. Resolves CVE-2016-0701,CVE-2015-319719:33
deus_exjohn_cephalopoda: what are you trying to build?19:33
john_cephalopodadeus_ex: Krita and Drawpile, two custom packages.19:33
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john_cephalopodahttps://bpaste.net/show/73af37fa082d19:35
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john_cephalopodaqt always takes ages to compile...19:53
Wildefyrtook 2hrs for me19:56
deus_exjohn_cephalopoda: if you're interested, I attached the port for qtchooser to fs#1056, it might make your life a bit easier :)20:01
john_cephalopodapedja: What exactly does it do?20:04
pedjaswitches between qt versions20:05
pedjaqt4 is the default.when you want to build against qt5, just add 'export QT_SELECT=qt5' and 'export CMAKE_PREFIX_PATH=/usr/share/qt5', if the port uses cmake build system20:07
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pedjait is the upstream's preffered way to deal with multiple qt versions20:08
pedjait works for me[tm]20:09
john_cephalopodasoon™ is a registered trademark of VALVE Corporation. :P20:10
pedjaRealSoonNow :)20:11
pedjajohn_cephalopoda: if you end up using it, pull the latest code from git repo, the one included is ancient :)20:12
skrzypUltraSoon 3D™20:12
koriNo, skrzyp20:16
koriValve can't count to three20:16
koriSo Ultrasoon 2D™20:17
john_cephalopodaI'm looking for a package that supplied a specific file.20:24
koriprt-get fsearch20:24
john_cephalopodathx20:25
joacim-hl3 is a linux for the desktop launch title20:53
skrzyptfw hl3 will be linux-only20:55
john_cephalopoda:D20:55
john_cephalopodatfw portal 3 and tf3 are linux-only, too20:55
joacimtfw?20:56
Wildefyrthat face when someone doesn't know what tfw means20:57
john_cephalopodajoacim: Usually used as text on an image showing a face or situation.21:00
john_cephalopodahttp://imgur.com/gallery/mBiP5rr21:01
joacimI usually see that crap on imageboards, but ok21:03
Wildefyrtfw you link to the image gallery and not the raw file21:03
Wildefyranyway we should get back on topic21:03
koriIt actually stands for that feel when21:08
koriAnd mfw stands for my face when21:09
koriThe more you know™21:09
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onoderatfw no one uses mfw any more21:14
Wildefyrkori : dirty 4channer21:14
koriWhat's a 4chan? I heard about these terms on reddit21:16
onoderawhats your reddit tripcode kori21:18
john_cephalopodaWhat is a tripcode21:19
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john_cephalopodaI still can't find out how to compile stuff with qt5.21:19
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john_cephalopodaUmmm... "prt-get --all dependent qt5" only lists cutemaze as dependent21:23
onoderawhat does all do21:25
onoderaI always use prt-get dependent pkg21:25
frinnstlists not only installed ports21:25
onoderaoh all is recursive? maybe use the all flag after dependent21:25
onoderaok okay21:25
frinnsti think.. prt-get help does not agree21:26
frinnst--all            display locked ports too21:26
john_cephalopoda--all    list all dependent packages, not only installed21:28
frinnstah, thought so21:28
frinnstyeah im too tired for this21:29
john_cephalopodaqt5 just won't work -_-21:32
john_cephalopodahttps://bpaste.net/show/03ee6bc54ae221:38
frinnstthe qt5 port looks a bit broken - usr/share/qt5/include/QtNetwork/21:39
frinnsttry changing -headerdir /usr/share/qt5/include to /usr/include ?21:40
frinnstor patch whatever you are trying to build to look for headers in the location specified in the qt5 port21:40
john_cephalopodaI made a bs.21:44
john_cephalopodaThe problem is, that the directory /usr/include/QtNetwork/ is defined in a file that comes with qt5.21:44
john_cephalopodaIn several files, actually21:45
onoderatry something with sed21:45
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frinnsttry changing -headerdir /usr/share/qt5/include to /usr/include22:00
frinnstthen22:00
frinnstin the qt5 port, that is22:00
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brian|lfsThis is a test of my new keyboard.....22:04
frinnstwhat kind of keyboard?22:06
frinnsthttps://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=702 <- glorious22:08
Wildefyrpls22:10
Wildefyr60% masterrace22:10
frinnsttsk. a numpad is required for grownups22:11
frinnst:-)22:11
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Wildefyrpsh.22:12
frinnsthttps://www.obra.se/gnu.jpg22:16
frinnsti need to clean my desk..22:16
frinnstXF86HomePage :ExecCommand firefox www.gnu.org22:17
dbrookeI just have tux keys replacing the windows ones on one of http://www.keyboardco.com/product.asp?PRODUCT=83522:18
dbrookethese http://www.keyboardco.com/product/tux-penguin-logo-windows-keys-2-keycaps-for-cherry-mx-switches.asp22:19
frinnstnice22:20
frinnsthttps://www.etsy.com/se-en/shop/DecentKeyboards?ref=l2-shopheader-name22:21
dbrookeyay, Windows 3.122:24
frinnstquality is top notch22:26
dbrookethey look good22:30
john_cephalopodafrinnst: There must be a compile guide for qt5. I'm pretty sure that the current port does some things wrong.22:31
dbrookeI was amused the site offered to change my default to Sweden-English regionalisation.22:31
dbrookebut doesn't offer UK-Swedish22:33
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tired890dream keyboard: http://www.keyboardco.com/keyboard/usa-filco-ninja-majestouch-2-tenkeyless-nkr-tactile-action-keyboard.asp23:50
tired890if ONLY the cable was detachable..23:50
tired890for that kinda price, this is the dealbreaker for me23:50
tired890Another (made in japan!): https://elitekeyboards.com/products.php?sub=topre_keyboards,rftenkeyless&pid=rf_se170023:54
tired890quite an investment..23:54
tired890meanwhile..23:54
tired890ACTION enjoys his 2-in-1 usb mini receiver US20 bundle23:55

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