IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2016-02-10

tired890gadgets like that are needed with the phones (phablets?) getting bigger00:00
tired890IMHO the "best size" is one that can be operated with one hand00:00
tired890case in point: http://freesmartphonegiveaway.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nokia-n9.jpg00:00
tired890had that phone until it died.. was using it till 2014 IIRC. Haven't had a phone since that felt so "right" in hand.. size wise00:02
tired890at least apple is going back to sane sizes, has a 4inch phone set for a march release: iphone 5se: http://www.technocar24.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/iphone-tcc24.jpg00:03
joacimyou say that as if it was already announced00:12
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: [notify] flash-player-plugin: updated to 11.2.202.56900:13
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: qt4: added missing dep on xorg-libsm00:13
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: jdk: updated to 1.8.0_7400:13
joacimfrinnst: 3 days is considered good these days?00:14
joacimi could use my old symbian s60 phone for 2 weeks before i had to charge it00:15
joacimthis nexus 5 i have to charge ever 2 or 3 days00:15
*** dougl has quit IRC01:10
*** dougl has joined #crux01:12
*** blueness has quit IRC02:08
*** dougl has quit IRC02:19
*** blueness has joined #crux02:36
*** heroux has quit IRC02:45
*** heroux has joined #crux02:47
*** fengshaun has quit IRC02:56
*** brian|lfs has joined #crux03:04
*** brian|lfs has quit IRC03:17
*** brian|lfs has joined #crux03:18
*** fengshaun has joined #crux03:21
*** _________mavric6 has quit IRC03:27
*** _________mavric has joined #crux03:28
groovy2shoesfrom the OpenBSD Porter's Handbook:  "if a port is using DocBook, checking mandoc compatibility will likely turn out to be a waste of time."03:50
groovy2shoesoh, DocBook03:50
groovy2shoesa pain in everyone's arse03:50
groovy2shoes"For the time being, do not report problems related to DocBook. We know source code generated by DocBook is extremely crappy even when DocBook works as intended, and on top of that, DocBook tends to be more buggy than average software."03:51
jaegerheh, nice04:02
*** ivs has quit IRC05:02
*** admincomplex has quit IRC05:05
*** admincomplex has joined #crux05:07
*** neeasade has joined #crux05:13
*** blueness has quit IRC05:14
*** tilman_ has joined #crux05:43
*** sudobaal has joined #crux05:56
nwegood morning guys!06:13
tired890morning nwe06:16
*** rickt has quit IRC06:19
*** rickt has joined #crux06:19
nwehow are you  tired890 ?06:21
tired890:)06:21
*** blueness has joined #crux06:26
*** vlnx has quit IRC07:47
frinnstnwe: stop being so fucking cheerful! :)08:04
*** fridim_ has joined #crux08:23
*** onodera has joined #crux08:36
nwefrinnst: hahah :D08:37
*** gb00s has joined #crux09:09
*** arduo has joined #crux09:11
*** vlnx has joined #crux10:44
*** rickt has quit IRC11:07
*** rickt has joined #crux11:10
*** arduo has quit IRC11:29
tired890nwe, don't stop! I'm actually like that IRL11:49
*** john_cephalopoda has joined #crux12:37
frinnstfuck you both!12:58
frinnst:>12:58
frinnsteveryone should be as miserable as I am in the mornings12:58
*** ivs has joined #crux12:59
tired890damn it frinnst just go out and walk with barefoot on GRASS. No logical justification you'll get my meaning after you do it13:09
john_cephalopodaWe call that "Tautreten" in Germany.13:13
john_cephalopodaWhich means "dew treading".13:13
john_cephalopodaWe also got "Schneegehen".13:14
john_cephalopodaWhich means "snow going"13:14
john_cephalopodaBarefoot, of course.13:14
tired890john_cephalopoda, not sure I'd want to do that on snow :)13:17
john_cephalopodahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G2w77jrayw13:21
*** onodera has quit IRC13:41
*** onodera has joined #crux13:41
*** BitPuffin has joined #crux14:17
frinnsttired890: sure, but its like +1C outside now :-)14:26
john_cephalopodafrinnst: dew treading. Supposed to be good for your health!14:31
tired890his name is JOHN CEPHA lol14:32
john_cephalopoda:รพ14:32
tired890I can see why you like that video14:32
*** Kruppt has joined #crux14:35
john_cephalopodaLol, the "HuffingtonPost" youtube channel. "Ted Cruz Made A Huge Financial Misstep", "All The Issues The Democrats Debated", "The New Hampshire Primary: A Primer"14:36
john_cephalopodaAnd then: "3 Bacon Hacks To Make Life Easier"14:36
john_cephalopodaThere is nothing more interesting in the world than politics and bacon.14:37
*** BitPuffin has quit IRC15:00
*** BitPuffin has joined #crux16:25
*** nwe has quit IRC17:34
*** dougl has joined #crux18:06
*** dougiel has joined #crux18:07
*** rickt has quit IRC19:32
*** hhhhhhhh has joined #crux19:40
*** ivs has quit IRC19:42
*** ivs has joined #crux19:42
*** BitPuffin has quit IRC19:50
*** ileach has joined #crux20:07
*** ivs has quit IRC20:25
*** heroux has quit IRC20:25
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-server: updated to 1.18.120:28
*** heroux has joined #crux20:31
*** heroux_ has joined #crux20:36
*** heroux has quit IRC20:37
*** ivs has joined #crux20:39
*** blueness has quit IRC20:43
*** blueness has joined #crux20:44
*** blueness has quit IRC20:49
*** blueness has joined #crux20:51
*** gb00s has quit IRC21:24
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: gtk3: updated to 3.18.721:26
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: nss: updated to 3.2221:26
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: firefox: updated to 44.0.121:26
*** dbrooke_ has joined #crux21:43
*** tierd891 has joined #crux21:44
*** tired890 has quit IRC21:48
*** fridim_ has quit IRC21:48
*** nogagplz has quit IRC21:48
*** fnords has quit IRC21:48
*** dbrooke has quit IRC21:48
*** kori has quit IRC21:48
*** kori has joined #crux21:54
*** fnords has joined #crux21:55
*** nogagplz has joined #crux21:55
*** skrzyp has joined #crux21:55
*** sudobaal has quit IRC21:58
*** jue_ has joined #crux22:16
*** jue has quit IRC22:22
*** aix has joined #crux22:28
aixHi there22:28
aixI'm trying to get wifi working, but I'm only getting sit and lo devices22:28
aixI've compiled a kernel with all default options since the last *custom* one I made didn't work too well22:29
groovy2shoesaix, you might need linux-firmware22:30
groovy2shoesdo a `dmesg |grep -i firmware` to see if it's trying to load something22:32
aixi got nothing22:36
*** aix has quit IRC22:40
tired890you will need to compile a kernel with support for your particular card22:40
tired890just copy over your current .config22:41
tired890make menuconfig and add support for your card22:41
*** ileach has quit IRC22:43
*** hhhhhhhh has quit IRC22:46
*** blueness has quit IRC23:04
*** blueness has joined #crux23:04
frinnsthm, i wonder if there are any good kernel building guides out there23:08
frinnstmigth be useful to have a link handy whenever people ask about it23:08
frinnstall guides / examples i've found are pretty crappy23:08
groovy2shoesI said "to hell with it" and copied Slackware's .config lol23:08
frinnsthttp://www.kroah.com/lkn/ might be useful23:13
john_cephalopodaHmm, "Kernel Configuration Recipes" seems to be the only part that migth interest me.23:15
john_cephalopodafrinnst: The problem is, that the kernel EVOLVES extremely fast.23:16
frinnstyep, lots of new stuff with each release. but the most fundamental stuff is usually pretty stable for years on end23:16
john_cephalopodaThe upgrade from 4.3 to 4.4 took me a long time because I had to re-find all the options. They changed places, they disappeared, new options appeared.23:16
frinnstoh?23:16
frinnstI just usually copy the .config file to the new kernel source and run "make oldconfig"23:17
tired890why didnt u just copy the config23:17
tired890yea..23:17
john_cephalopodaAlso in every release, a few modules that were once split out can be built into the kernel.23:17
john_cephalopodaMmh, it's better to know what options were selected than to trust into some oldconfig that might mess all up and make more trouble than it helps.23:18
frinnsti have never had issues with oldconfig during the past 10 years i think23:19
tired890the locations might be different but the actual options inside the file are the same23:19
frinnstyeah23:19
john_cephalopodaI don't know how it handles modules, that can be compiled into the kernel, for example.23:19
john_cephalopodaI want as little external modules as possible.23:19
frinnstso disable module support and make everyting builtin23:19
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: libreoffice: 5.0.4 -> 5.1.023:19
john_cephalopodaSo when I update, I have to look through all the modules and select the ones that I want built into the kernel anyway.23:19
frinnstthats always doable - but not everything can be a module23:20
john_cephalopodafrinnst: Not everything works as builtin23:20
frinnsteh, yeah they do23:20
frinnstunless you need firmware - then you need to bundle the firmware in the kernel image23:20
john_cephalopodaAt least there was no option to do that in earlier kernels.23:20
john_cephalopodaEither modules or compiled in.23:20
john_cephalopoda*Either modules or nothing.23:20
frinnstif you dont have that option its because you have selected a dependency as a module23:20
frinnstif you build dri as a module you cant build something dependent such as intel / amd gpus as builtin23:21
john_cephalopodaWell, I am configuring all my kernels the same and I am choosing builtin everywhere where it is possible.23:21
john_cephalopodaSo it can't be that.23:22
tired890mm23:22
tired890whats the advantage of having everything built in anyways?23:22
frinnstthen you probably missed something or came across something in the wrong order23:22
frinnstjust sed your .config :-)23:22
frinnstzzz23:22
john_cephalopodatired890: I suspect that it might be faster. Also might reduce problems in loading modules.23:22
john_cephalopodaAnyway, it's late and I got to get up early.23:22
john_cephalopodaBye.23:22
tired890nighty night23:23
*** john_cephalopoda has quit IRC23:23
*** vjon has joined #crux23:34
groovy2shoesfrinnst, chapter 7 of that book you linked is awesome23:35
*** brian|lfs has quit IRC23:40
*** brian|lfs has joined #crux23:42
*** onodera has quit IRC23:42
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: getmail: 4.48.0 -> 4.49.023:50
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: mercurial: 3.6 -> 3.7.123:55
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: openvpn: 2.3.8 -> 2.3.1023:57
groovy2shoessomebody's on a roll23:58

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.14.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!