IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2016-03-04

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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: [notify] php: update to 5.6.1913:04
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Wildefyrwho did a clean out of the active repos? :D13:12
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frinnst?14:05
Wildefyrhttps://crux.nu/portdb/14:22
Wildefyrthere's fewer repos than before14:22
onoderateK_: can you update the git driver in opt/git: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/6c37/cross/master/git-driver/git14:29
jaegerthe portdb cacher ran during the outage, most likely14:32
Wildefyrah14:34
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joacimi like how 90% of websites slow to a crawl whenever there is an issue with google or somewhere between me and google16:11
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Wildefyrscary isn't it?16:20
joacimi'm happy to hand google all my information16:21
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joacimi also like when people shit on apple from their microsoft windows rootkitted thinkpads running google chrome16:22
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Wildefyryeah that's always a good one16:42
WildefyrI'd rather use an mac os at this point now16:42
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Wildefyrat least it's an actual unix certified system16:42
john_cephalopodaHad some bad experiences with Mac.16:44
john_cephalopodaI prefer Linux. It always works except when it is fixably broken.16:46
jaegerI use OSX daily for work, it's got its ups and downs for me16:46
jaegerOne thing I absolutely fucking detest about it is its DNS resolver16:46
john_cephalopodaI use it once per week at our student radio station. When the network server disconnects, the whole computer freezes.16:46
john_cephalopoda(Network server = file server with some songs on it)16:47
jaegerIn general, though, it works fine16:47
john_cephalopodaIt's an older device, might be a bit outdated.16:49
john_cephalopodaBut Apple devices are too expensive for me in general.16:49
nightmaredjohn_cephalopoda: that's an important point, yeah16:53
nightmaredthat's why everybody has a Windows computer16:53
nightmaredbut often, WIndows guys shit on apple because they can't afford it and are jealous16:54
john_cephalopodaidk16:54
nightmaredmany windows guy will choose an apple computer if they have the choice for free16:55
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john_cephalopodaI could easily afford Macs but I don't see the point in buying a device with a weird OS and low system specs when I can have something better with Linux for the same price.16:55
nightmared(I wouldn't because they don't use standard UEFI or keyboard, so not very agredable to work with on Linux/Unix)16:56
nightmaredjohn_cephalopoda: that's my point too16:56
john_cephalopodaI always use BIOS compatibility mode.16:56
jaegerbetter is of course very subjective... to many people macs are better16:56
nightmaredjaeger: that's pitty, but true...16:57
john_cephalopodajaeger: With "better", I mean "better hardware specs".16:57
john_cephalopodaLike the same battery life but faster processor etc.16:57
nightmaredjohn_cephalopoda: it depends a lot of teh OS, because windows graphics drivers are very different comparing to Linux one's and IDK about apple's one, but It looks to works quite well...16:58
nightmaredthe*16:58
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john_cephalopodaTalking about CPU. Like i5 vs i7.16:59
nightmaredso the overall imprssion might be worse with an WIndows High-end than a MacOS X middle-end (ofc the non-inclusion of software like norton might play a big role)17:00
john_cephalopodaThere are two kinds of mobile computers that I don't understand: Ultrabooks and Gaming Notebooks.17:01
nightmaredAnd the big advantage of apple hardware seems to be the disk (or more exactly SSD)17:01
john_cephalopodaGaming Notebooks is pretty much an Oxymoron. When you want to play games, you want a giant monitor and heavy equipment while you want a small monitor and light hardware for a notebook.17:01
john_cephalopodaAnd Ultrabooks... I don't really get what's the matter with those.17:02
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nightmaredjohn_cephalopoda: students in little rooms ? Oh forgot it, they can't afford such a overpriced laptop ;) So yeah, no interest...17:02
john_cephalopodaAll students I know got a tower.17:03
john_cephalopodaOften with quite good gaming capabilities.17:03
nightmaredjohn_cephalopoda: where do you live ?17:03
john_cephalopodaGermany.17:03
nightmaredI'm in france, and average computer knowledge here is pitty (and I means REALLY)17:03
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john_cephalopodaIn my french textbook in school, all students had either some kind of PowerMac G3 or an eMac :D17:05
john_cephalopodaAlso they used disquettes.17:06
nightmared;)17:06
nightmaredIn (mine at least) school (until our high school exams at least), almost nobody uses a computer17:06
john_cephalopodaAll my friends had computers and internet.17:07
nightmared(at the school, not outside, ofc)17:07
nightmaredMe too17:07
nightmaredbut not inside teh school17:07
nightmaredthe*17:07
john_cephalopodaI graduated school in 2013.17:08
john_cephalopodaSo not that long ago.17:08
nightmaredI will graduate in June17:08
john_cephalopodaAnd nobody used a computer for so long? Weird.17:08
john_cephalopodaNow I'm studying informatics, so everybody has a computer.17:09
nightmarednono, obody used a coimputer inside the school (during classes)17:09
nightmared+n17:09
john_cephalopoda"During classes"?17:09
nightmaredbut outside, everybody does17:09
john_cephalopodaOh, you mean having a laptop open during classes?17:09
nightmaredjohn_cephalopoda: s/classes/courses/ if you prefers17:09
nightmaredjohn_cephalopoda: yeah17:09
john_cephalopodaWe weren't allowed.17:09
nightmaredThey are, but nobody uses them :(17:10
john_cephalopodaIf somebody would have dared to put a Laptop on the desk, the teacher would have thrown that person out.17:10
john_cephalopodaSame for mobile phones, they were confiscated when somebody was caught with one in the lecture.17:10
nightmaredjohn_cephalopoda: wow ! but that was three years ago, so maybe it has evolved17:11
john_cephalopodaI don't think so.17:11
nightmaredjohn_cephalopoda: sambe for mobile phone ofc17:11
john_cephalopodaWhen the teacher tells you something, you are supposed to listen. No phones or other electronical devices.17:11
john_cephalopodaIn university, it's different. Some lecturers tolerate laptops and smartphones - many don't tolerate it.17:13
nightmaredThis is pure logic, but when you use a computer, it's only to note the informations, not to play or whatever17:13
john_cephalopodaPff, as if that would work...17:13
john_cephalopodaYou can never write as fast with a computer as by hand.17:13
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john_cephalopodaAlso it's noisy.17:14
jaegerjohn_cephalopoda: I type fast faster than I write17:14
jaegers/fast/far/17:14
jaegerI make typos, of course, but it's faster :)17:14
john_cephalopodajaeger: But can you write down formulas as easy?17:15
jaegermaybe not, but you weren't specific, or maybe I missed that17:15
john_cephalopodaAnd the temptation is big to just start playing a game on the laptop. And then the "cone of interest" will form behind, people will start watching what you're doing and forget to listen. For that reason, a few lecturers allow laptops in the last row.17:15
john_cephalopodajaeger: When you are in classes or a lecture, a lot of the things that are written down is not in standard form. You get sketches, diagrams, tables, text that is formatted in a specific way, headlines and many more quirks that can be brought down in seconds with a pen but take some minutes with a computer.17:17
jaegerIf I couldn't do so with a computer I'd write it down by hand; the majority of notes I'd ever taken were better done on a computer, though. Not that I had access to a laptop at the time17:18
john_cephalopodaStuff looks better on a computer.17:19
jaegerI even did my calculus homework in college in TeX, profs loved it17:19
john_cephalopodaWe are talking about using computers during classes.17:20
jaegerThat was just an incidental comment based on your "Stuff looks better on a computer." statement17:20
john_cephalopodaAh, ok.17:20
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john_cephalopodaYeah, we're told to use TeX for everything in university :þ17:20
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groovy2shoesTeX is fantastic18:01
groovy2shoesI use it every chance I get18:01
WildefyrI should probably learn how to use it18:04
Wildefyrbut I don't really have a massive need for it18:04
WildefyrI write alot of stuff in markdown though18:04
joacimI wrote markdown long before i even know what it was18:18
joacimit is pretty normal plain text and email markup18:19
groovy2shoesyeah, one of markdowns influences is explicitly "the way people tend to format plain-text emails"18:20
tilmanasciidoc is nice18:29
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tilmanreadable plain text documents that can easily be converted into nice html and pdf via docbook18:29
groovy2shoesNO18:29
groovy2shoesfuck docbook18:29
groovy2shoesdocbook is the absolute worst18:29
tilmanwith asciidoc you don't get to write docbook code unless you want fancy stuff18:30
joacimwell you just spoke out against a channel op. bad idea dude :]18:30
tilmanthat too18:30
tilmanbad karma18:30
groovy2shoesjaeger has my back on this one :p18:31
jaegerI don't like docbook, no argument there... I haven't messed with asciidoc at all, though18:32
joacimmarkdown is ok, but i havent been able to find nice tools for it18:32
joacimso many funky ones i have to install by pip or gem18:32
tilmani never ever would write raw docbook either, just so that we're clear18:33
jaeger:)18:33
john_cephalopodaI like plaintext mails.18:33
tilmanyour manager doesn't18:33
tilmanhe doesn't like plaintext documents at all18:33
groovy2shoesthe docbook format isn't even the problem; it's the docbook software18:33
jaegerhttps://github.com/sunaku/md2man18:33
tilmanhe likes PoS word documents18:33
groovy2shoesmy manager indeed likes PoS word docs :(18:34
groovy2shoesjoacim, check out pandoc18:34
tilmanif you're lucky you can sneak in libreoffice documents without fucking up the format too much18:34
tilmanbut that's not much of a win18:34
groovy2shoesI don't care much for libreoffice, either18:34
tilmansure you don't18:34
tilmanbut it's better than running word on windows18:34
groovy2shoesif it weren't for the fact that I have to deal with word docs, I wouldn't even have that installed18:35
john_cephalopodaI HATE E-mails written in HTML.18:35
joacimgroovy2shoes: it can convert a markdown to pdf in one go?18:35
groovy2shoesbut for the fact that I have to deal with word docs, I am grateful to libreoffice18:35
john_cephalopodaWith blinky images and textured buttons... brrrr...18:35
groovy2shoesjoacim, yes, but you need to also have TeX installed for PDF output18:35
john_cephalopodaHmmmmmmmm.... E-mail accounts have gigantic sizes nowadays - up to 14GB free E-mail storage...18:36
tilmanyour manager will most probably not like latex documents either btw18:36
tilmanbecause they probably don't have the fancy schmancy CI that your word docs have18:36
john_cephalopodaSave your whole filesystem as e-mails with attatchments!18:36
john_cephalopodaBetter than dropbox!18:36
tilmanACTION realizes he should have become a lumberjack and only use computers for recreation18:37
groovy2shoesmy manager loves writing little comments in word docs using the "review" functionality18:37
john_cephalopodatilman: You'd be a lumberjack and be okay. You'd sleep all night and you'd work all day.18:37
groovy2shoesI'm convinced that it'd be better to store LaTeX documents in source control and then use code review tools for that kind of thing18:37
tilmanputting on women's clothing probably not though18:38
john_cephalopodatilman: Why not? Have you tried? Maybe it's great :D18:38
tilmanhave you tried soldering your left cheek? maybe it's great18:38
john_cephalopodaAnd if not, do you still hang around in bars?18:38
john_cephalopodaI soldered my fingers.18:38
tilmangood job!18:38
john_cephalopodaSeveral times.18:38
joacimi soldered my hair a few times18:39
tilmanno hair net? :p18:39
john_cephalopodaNow they never fall apart any more and I can use them as bridge, when a cable breaks.18:39
joacimi use it as a haircut timer18:39
tilmanjoacim: day job or hobby?18:39
joacimmy dad uses a different system. he gets one of those big bottles of shampoo. when he runs out, he gets a haircut18:40
joacimhobby. trying to fix my own stuff instead of buying new shit18:40
joacimi'm not that good at it.18:41
joacimpower supplies and other duplo sized circuits and contact points are easy enough. having some hard time with motherboards and such tho18:41
tilmanthe pro's tie their hair back you know18:42
tilman:p18:42
joacimhow would they ever know when to get a haircut?18:42
tilmanACTION can only do lame through-hole stuff18:42
tilmannever tried SMD18:42
joacimyeah same.through-hole capacitors and such18:42
joacimbeen lazy lately tho. got this shopping list of capacitors i need for my NAD amplifier and various motherboards, but i never do anything about it18:43
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john_cephalopodaThe only thing that I solder from time to time are headphones.18:57
john_cephalopodaThe initial soldering was horrible and I'm not skilled enough to make it better for a long time :D18:57
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john_cephalopodaYay, I lowered my settings in Kerbal Space Program to minimum and it's now on playable fps, using nouveau :þ19:43
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onoderahttps://punpun.xyz/bda8.png20:21
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onoderawoops wrong channel, sorry lol20:21
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