IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2016-04-10

tired890like the FCC thing, they make some rules about wifi frequencies and now OEMs are locking down routers, byebye FOSS firmware.. but all discussion on ordering from alibaba or stuff like that, not one about going to FCC directly00:01
Romsterall the machines i have worked on and sold from new in a IT computer shop has an option to disable secure boot00:01
tired890if only this attitude changed and people exercised their rights man00:01
Romsterdon't know wtf your on about.00:01
tired890Romster, they do it step by step. On some machines (mostly prebuilt) you can't disable it00:02
john_cephalopodaI got two computers with UEFI and both allow to enable secure boot.00:05
Romsterwell i haven't seen it yet, and really isn't anything as a end user can do.. too many people out there does not even know what UEFI even is let alone the older BIOS00:06
john_cephalopodaI like BIOS more than UEFI. UEFI always gives me problems.00:07
john_cephalopodaIt's crazy. I need a special boot loader and an extra partition formatted with some FAT and containing specific stuff. Then it prefers GPT over MBR - GPT doesn't have a graphical partition tool on most distros.00:10
john_cephalopodaI never got it to work, don't ask me why.00:10
Romsterdunno all my machines are pre uefi00:15
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: harfbuzz-icu: 1.2.4 -> 1.2.500:21
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: urwid: 1.1.1 -> 1.3.100:21
john_cephalopodaI got 2 pre-UEFI machines, one got a Pentium 4 @ 2.0GHz (singlecore) - I never use it - and the second one is an IntelCore Duo Laptop with a broken screen.00:21
john_cephalopodaAnd windows. So I don't use it any more.00:21
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.2]: harfbuzz: 1.2.4 -> 1.2.500:30
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.2]: sqlite3-32: 3.12.0 -> 3.12.100:40
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.2]: xorg-inputproto-32: 2.3.1 -> 2.3.200:40
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joacimbios systems require special bootloaders too01:05
joacimdifferent from other systems01:05
wildefyrbootloaders sucks01:12
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joacimthey work well enough01:21
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brian|lfshello all05:16
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brian|lfswhats going on with you two tonight06:09
wildefyrbeen playing pickup games for several hours now06:11
brian|lfspickup games?06:14
brian|lfsYou have a bunch of messed up packages on your repo wildefyr.06:14
brian|lfsat least httpup errors on them06:15
xeirrri am reading novels now06:18
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wildefyrbrian|lfs, eh?06:57
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john_cephalopodaSome stuff related to gtk3 is outdated in opt. I'll send a mail.08:58
frinnstthe gtk3 port?08:58
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frinnstI know its not on the latest branch - thats intentional09:00
frinnst3.20 breaks too much right now09:00
john_cephalopodaAh, okay.09:01
john_cephalopodaHmm, it would be nice to have package descriptions displayed in the port browser.09:05
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frinnstbump it locally and try10:27
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john_cephalopodaOh, you mean GTK?12:04
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frinnstyeah. You'll notice the scrollbar in firefox is missing and obviously your current gtk3 themes will be broken12:37
frinnstif you run something other than the system default12:37
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tired890I wonder is it the gtk3 switch that is making firefox so slow12:38
tired890cause nothing else major changed..12:38
tired890I used to be able to play html5 vids full screen smoothly12:39
frinnstwhat gtk3 version are you running? 3.20 was reverted12:39
tired890now I have to load them up in mpv12:39
tired890Version:      3.18.912:39
frinnstfirefox wont use any vdpau or anything more advanced than xvideo12:39
frinnstso it will mostly be done on the cpu12:40
tired890i see12:43
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tired890whats a nice image viewer with the least amount of deps (ie using openbox wm)12:47
tired890feh is too raw12:47
frinnstI use gpicview12:48
tired890ah not in contrib12:50
tired890Romster's port in the db is from 201312:50
onoderatired890: I'm liking pqiv12:50
onoderaother minimal image viewers are like feh (like you mentioned) qiv, meh, sxiv, you could also use mpv12:51
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tired890thanks gents12:55
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wildefyrtired890, try meh12:59
wildefyrvi-like bindings12:59
wildefyrif not just use mpv12:59
wildefyrit'll work just as well12:59
tired890I reckon mpv requires an extra argument13:00
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tired890if I open with mpv it closes after 2 seconds13:00
onoderathere is also --keep-open i think13:01
onoderabut yeah, mpv is actually a video player, but it could be used as a music player and image viewer as well13:02
wildefyrit's a media player13:02
tired890-keep-open it is13:04
tired890no basic functionality like zoom and such though13:04
tired890I think I'll just install one of the suggestions above13:04
tired890they all must be in the 6c7-something repo right?13:04
tired890coz I can't find any in the official repos13:04
wildefyrthere is13:06
wildefyrchange keybindings to whatever you want obviously13:06
onoderatired890: sxiv is in the contrib repo, meh is in z3bras repo I think13:21
onoderapqiv is in 6c37 yes13:21
xeirrror just use imagemagic :)13:22
onoderadoesn't handle scaling correclty for me13:22
onoderait's also super slow13:23
tired890what would you recommend onodera ?13:23
onoderaI use pqiv myself13:23
xeirrronodera, super slow?13:23
onoderait's pretty quick. it can open wembs with the ffmpeg backend, pdfs with poppler backend, a lot of weird obscure image formats with the imagemagick backend.13:24
onoderayeah, there is a visible delay when opening an image13:24
Romstertired890, geegle is nice13:30
tired890ACTION remembers why not many people use linux :P13:31
tired890too many choices heh13:31
Romstergeeqie sorry13:32
RomsterDescription:  Gtk+ based image viewer13:32
RomsterDependencies: gtk,intltool13:32
Romsteris in opt13:33
tired890cool will give it a go13:33
onoderaehh I actually like the choice13:36
onoderaone of the big reasons I'm using linux13:36
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tired890double-edged sword13:36
xeirrrthe reason i am using linux is super faster to launch apps, and you dont have to stare at Window's cursor circling :)13:42
tired890I use it for libre reasons :)13:43
xeirrrtired890, so all the apps you use are open source?13:49
tired890xeirrr, pretty much yes13:52
tired890unless I dont have a choice13:52
tired890like I wont give up performance and avoid using a blob (firmware)..13:52
tired890or at my work, I open something with libreoffice and its messed up I'd have to boot into windows..13:53
tired890as much as I can, but when I have to, no choice..13:53
onoderaI'm only using one nonfree package on my system atm13:56
onoderathat's nvidia, because like tired890 I don't want to give up performance for my freedom, heh13:56
onoderasorry stallman13:56
frinnstamd does what I need. Though I dislike the binary blob firmware13:58
frinnstnvidias drivers are a pain in the arse13:59
frinnstsilly 3rd party kernel module13:59
onoderahmm I never had any problem with it13:59
wildefyronce amd open sources their stack I'll be jumping ship13:59
frinnsteh, they did.. 10 years ago or something14:00
frinnsti'd like to give amdgpu a try but I cant find a card that I want. they all have a bunch of fans or lack support for more than 2 screens14:01
joacimdidnt they make one that has 6 display outputs this one time?14:23
joacimwas around 2000 kr for one14:23
joacimthere's matrox too. think they license amd gpus14:23
tired890frinnst, Fury Nano, nice piece14:23
tired890but its highend (as in AAA titles at 4K), disgusting overkill for a linux desktop without games, but hey..14:24
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frinnsttired890: but not passively cooled? atleast not sapphires version15:50
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onoderawildefyr as well I guess ^16:48
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tired890onodera, nice find17:10
tired890frinnst, passively cooled would be at the price of performance17:10
tired890I reckon if you are after amdgpu you'd have certain expectation (ie full feature set available)17:10
tired890if you want passively cooled go for HD 5450, this is a snug little GPU that works beautifully (plays 1080p smoothly etc)17:11
tired890very affordable.. I have two of these, one msi and one sapphire17:11
tired890but it uses radeon since its based on an old chip17:12
tired890the Fury Nano has some fancy cooling fan that was patented or something so I reckon at low load it wouldn't be detectable17:12
tired890HOWEVER, last time I checked amdgpu didn't have dpm , and if thats still the case the fan would spin at 100%17:13
tired890ah, dpm is available as of kernel 4.2 I guess17:15
tired890I dont have the nano I'm only saying this based on other people's feedback.17:15
frinnstI currently run a 7750 (according to lspci)17:25
frinnstbut its not supported by amdgpu afaik17:25
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frinnstgood ( evening!18:53
crash_looks nice18:54
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