IRC Logs for #crux Friday, 2016-05-27

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mender27Hello everyone!05:46
mender27I managed to solve my footprint problem. It was some sort of mis-download issue. Clearing the offending port's dir and re-downloading worked.06:06
mender27Also, I very much like 'prt-get depinst'. Makes life a lot easier :).06:07
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][_R_][Just to confirm, CRUX doesn't use an initramfs, correct?08:51
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nwe][_R_][: nope, but if you want to use it, you must create an initramfs by yourself.08:59
nwebut by the default no..08:59
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][_R_][Okay, just sanity checking here.  Was trying to follow the instructions but was using syslinux instead of lilo/grub.09:00
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][_R_][So apparently nameif was deprecated and is no longer available on newer linuxes.  Replacement is ifrename from iproute2, which is installed (as it's in core), yet I don't have ifrename for some reason?09:31
frinnstwhat are you trying to do? change eth0 to something else?09:35
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frinnstif so; a udev rule is the correct method09:35
frinnstifrename seems to be a part of wireless-tools09:36
][_R_][Change that em-whatever mess into something saner.09:37
frinnstprt-get fsearch ifrename for future reference09:37
frinnstthats my /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules file09:39
frinnstobviously replace my mac address09:39
frinnsteudev will rename your ethernet devices like udev. To stop it from doing that, run touch /etc/udev/rules.d/80-net-name-slot.rules09:40
frinnstthat will give you eth0,eth1 names like before09:40
][_R_][If you just want that the kernel boot option net.ifnames=0 does the same thing09:41
][_R_][ACTION is actually interested in renaming them entirely.  (I'm upgrading a multi-homed machine.  All the IFs had useful names like "inner" "isp1" "isp2"09:42
][_R_][I'll look into udev though09:42
frinnstyeah thats the best way to solve that09:42
frinnstI used to run names like "lan" "wan" etc09:42
][_R_][I /really/ miss mactab though.09:42
frinnstyou can also use ip to set aliases etc09:44
frinnstman ip-link09:45
frinnstThis program is obsolete. For replacement check ip link. This functionality is also much better provided by udev methods.09:45
][_R_][Hmm, that needs me to give the existing name.09:48
][_R_][I suppose I could do a script using ip to convert mac-addresses into the current name, then use that mapping in a script to make use of a mactab file.  It'd be hacky though, so I'll do that if I give up on udev.09:49
frinnstudev is stupidly simple09:49
][_R_][What you linked me looks nothing like what I'd call simple09:51
][_R_][Looks like it's setting things based on the hardware address (rather than the MAC, which is much easier to look up)09:52
frinnstetc, lots of documentation09:58
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: git: 2.8.0 -> 2.8.311:13
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: [notify] qemu: fix several CVEs, patch taken from
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: scite: update to 3.6.612:53
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mender27Yeah, interface names under GNU/Linux are somewhat retarded. On FreeBSD they come from the name of the driver + digit.13:08
teK_the (re)naming has is reason and while it is not that great to figure out the first time, it will stay stable across all reboots13:11
teK_so if you have more than one, it absolutely makes sense to use this13:11
teK_or you pin it to your mac .. :)13:11
teK_(which may change)13:11
mender27I know the renaming has its reason, but it's unnecessarily long and does not come from anything obvious. eth+digit and wlan+digit made more sense to me.13:15
teK_yes but what else would you use except the physical location / MAC?13:15
teK_and if you used the mac.. you'd have eth12345678901213:16
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mender27I think going through eth0 to eth + Nth digit is enough. I cannot imagine having so many interfaces anyway. All of the enp2s0 and wlp3s0a hold absolutely no meaning to me :(.13:23
teK_this is not guaranteed to be stable across reboots13:24
][_R_][<teK_> the (re)naming has is reason and while it is not that great to figure out the first time, it will stay stable across all reboots <-- except there existed a means to do this already: mactab13:24
teK_so you might end up configuring address1 for net2 and the other way round13:24
teK_][_R_][: possible13:25
mender27I agree that the problem is that it's potentially not consistent across reboots.13:25
teK_and dont get me wrong.. I use net.ifnames=0 myself13:25
mender27Hehe ;).13:25
][_R_][I dislike that it's unclear what the formula is, making it hard to memorize the interfaces when plugging their names into configs.13:25
teK_the formular is perfectly clear13:26
teK_it's just hard to figure out if the machine is not opened :P13:26
][_R_][If they did an type-letter-number format like they did for hda, sda, etc...13:26
teK_same issue13:26
mender27Yes, which has not been addressed ;P.13:26
teK_use use UIDs instead :-)13:26
teK_it has.13:26
][_R_][At least that hints to an existing pattern.13:26
mender27In UIDs, but they too are excessively long.13:26
teK_so what? look the up in /sys13:27
teK_you do this .. once? perinstallation13:27
][_R_][Repeatedly throughout the lifetime.13:27
mender27I know it's possible, but when you have to type the name of the drive manually...13:27
][_R_][(hint: firewall rules)13:27
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: [notify] php: update to 5.6.2213:31
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mender27I think you guys are right with the device and network interface naming.13:32
onoderathat's a lot of updates13:49
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mender27Hello onodera16:31
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onoderahi mender2716:39
mender27How are things going?16:39
mender27I am enjoying 'prt-get' with all of its useful options to facilitate building packages :).16:39
onoderamender27: teK_ is actually writing a "next gen prt-get"16:41
onoderabut yeah prt-get is very nice16:41
mender27next-gen prt-get? How would it work?16:42
onoderacorrect me if I'm wrong teK_, but I think it's a complete rewrite in C (prt-get is C++)16:44
mender27Oh that's great!16:47
mender27For performance, right?16:47
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mender27hello hello ;)17:07
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teK_for sanity, to be honest17:19
teK_but last time, I checked it was also faster. Which should not matter too much, though17:19
teK_also, I hope to build it in such a way that you don't need to call pkgm/pkgrm/pkgadd/ports individually17:20
teK_and I am not promising anything17:20
tilmancan you elaborate on that last part?17:21
tilmanyou aren't re-implementing pkgutils, are you?17:21
teK_not atm :P17:26
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mender27Hello everyone. I just finished installing xfce4, though I have some general problems with X11. /var/log/Xorg.0.log mentions that /dev/dri/card0 does not exist :(.20:57
onodera>The /dev/dri/card0 device file is provided by the Linux kernel. If the file is missing, it prevents hardware acceleration from working. See if reloading the kernel module makes it work21:00
onoderaaka, you probably don't have compiled something that's needed in your kernel21:00
mender27I got the generic kernel from the updated .iso somehow.21:06
mender27I feel it's missing a few things, yes21:06
mender27I just downloaded the sources for kernel 4.6 and will check in the .config to make sure everything required is enabled.21:07
mender27Sounds reasonable? :)21:07
mender27I noticed the generic kernel .configs usually make a lot of sense.21:08
onodera you could copy the one from arch or some other distro as well21:09
mender27You mean pull the compiled kernel from the repos?21:09
mender27Compiling the kernel takes only around 15-20 min, so that's fine :).21:13
onoderacould do that as well, but I mean if you search for linux in the arch repos, check the PKGBUILD/sources21:13
onoderathere they have a .config file you can compy, and then compile the kernel with the exact same settings arch uses, which seems to be geared towards "work on every machine" desktop uage21:14
mender27Aaa...that's what you meant! I get it now, sorry for being slow :).21:14
mender27Yes, arch's kernels usually work for me21:14
mender27I completely forgot one can configure the .config manually. Sometimes menuconfig has a bit too many options and I get lost :/.21:17
mender27I'll download the .config from Arch, since I already found it :021:17
onoderaI started out with an arch config and disabled/enabled stuff over time21:19
mender27Yeah, I think I will do that as well. In essence, the .config for the crux-updated.iso kernel 4.1.13 was missing some features entirely. linux-4.6 has them back. I need to trim the Arch Linux's .config, because a ton of things get loaded as modules.21:26
mender27That tomorrow, though. Have a g''night :).21:27
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: lighttpd: 1.4.37 -> 1.4.3921:44
abenzlightttpd vs nginx21:57
onoderaI like nginx more, I tried both but I'm far from an expert21:58
onoderaanyways, from the short time I've used both, nginx seems to have much much nicer configuration and more options/features21:58
jaegerI slightly prefer nginx these days, though lighttpd still does the job well21:58
onoderaif you don't want anything fancy or ssl I suggest you check out darkhttpd as well21:59
onoderahehe I just watched this frinst22:18
onoderathey have another one about some restaurant/chef as well22:18
abenzlol I grab woods from wherever and burn it22:35
abenzI wonder how that'll smell though, gingery I'd imagine :)22:35
joacimyou can get artisinal pebbles on etsy22:40
abenzfrinnst: that channel is hilarious22:41
abenzI believe that the best ingredients22:41
abenz... are frozen.22:41
joacimi dont get if this is like the onion22:42
abenzit sounds like a government broadcast from a 100 years from now, when no natural resources are available22:42
joacimor if it is real22:42
joacimhave an old one22:42
abenzoh man22:46
abenzthey had me going for a while22:46
frinnsti knew about temple os before, but i've never actually watched through this:
frinnst.. just wierd22:49
frinnstand kinda sad22:49
joacimi actually like his hardware ideas22:54
joacimsounds a lot nicer an intels MEI and AMD's PSP22:55
onoderabrowsing /r/videos huh?22:56
onoderaI was in an irc channel with terry once22:56
onoderahe has actually schizophrenia22:56
onoderahe makes threads on osdev and reddit and hackernews every so often22:56
onoderaabout his os22:56
frinnstyou know me too well onodera :)23:06
abenzhey wait23:06
abenzso the templeOS thing is real?23:06
abenzI thought we were still talking about the "well done" troll vids ?23:07
frinnstits real, yeah23:08
jaegerhe's legit crazy, though23:08
onoderahe is real23:15
onoderahe had is own #templeos channel once23:15
onoderasome guy made a GodBot that spewed out random bible passages, like his os does it.23:16
abenzanyone here used it?23:26
jaegerNot I23:27

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