IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2016-05-29

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abenzhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxTse5Elq8s00:35
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.2]: gnutls-32: 3.4.11 -> 3.4.1206:59
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: gst-plugins-good: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.110:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: gst-plugins-bad: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.1 updated dependencies10:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: gst-plugins-ugly: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.1 updated dependencies10:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: gst-python: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.110:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: ffmpeg: 2.8.4 -> 3.0.210:43
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: gst-libav: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.1 added dep: ffmpeg10:43
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: gstreamer: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.1 removed dep: libxml2 new dep: libcap10:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: gst-plugins-base: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.110:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: gobject-introspection: 1.46.0 -> 1.48.010:44
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: orc: update url10:44
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.2]: orc-32: update url11:40
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.2]: gstreamer-32: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.111:40
cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.2]: gst-plugins-base-32: 1.8.0 -> 1.8.111:40
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: dstat: updated to 0.7.315:01
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: slock: updated to 1.315:01
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frinnsthm, is there a program that blanks the monitor in X when invoked?15:37
jaegerxset can do it15:38
jaeger'xset dpms force off'15:38
frinnstah, right15:38
frinnstthankls15:38
jaegernp15:38
frinnstalias slock='slock $(xset dpms force off)'15:40
frinnst:>15:40
jaegerheh15:40
frinnsthm, it initiates a timer though15:53
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darfoxlock -mode blank -nolock16:12
darforequires xlockmore port from contrib, frinst16:12
tilmanfrinnst: i once has a coworker who would just switch his monitors off instead of screenlocking them16:13
tilman;)16:13
darfofingers awry, frinnst16:13
frinnsthaha fu tilman16:13
tilmanwhat, why fu?16:13
tilmani was just reminded of him16:13
frinnstjust kidding obviously, but if I turn off my screens the usb hubs power down16:14
frinnstdarfo: thanks. I guess i could just use xlock instead of slock16:14
tilmanwhen i was new at my current job, i would run a long time test overnight (at my deskstop/workstation)16:14
tilmanwith hardware attached via usb16:15
tilmannext morning the test failed16:15
tilmanturned out i powered the devices via the monitors' usb too :(16:15
tilmanthe same thing happened after a couple of months :(16:15
frinnstteK_: xlockmore is a 40416:16
darfotried slock but if mouse gets vibration the screen unblanks16:17
frinnstyeah, thats what I want pretty much16:19
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dlcusaonadera, abenz: Honorable mention for eekee's "I haven't had time to participate in open source for a few years. Now I'm coming back to it, I'm a bit shocked by this. Persistent screen and tmux sessions were common enough many years before systemd was released. If systemd won't make it easy for users to set up and manage these sessions, that's systemd's problem, not tmux's."17:34
onoderadlcusa: true, check this as well: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4lh7yv/systemd_developer_asks_tmux_and_other_programs_to/d3nbsky17:35
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abenzpeople don't see it coming, and by the time they finally get it, it'll be a ridiculous amount of work to get rid of it17:47
abenzI'd say another 5 years17:47
abenzhopefully crux will hold the fort17:47
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dlcusaabenz, Amen!18:03
tilmangive some credit to gentoo and blueness for maintaining a udev-without-systemd :)18:03
dlcusaMuch as I admire Davy Crockett, I would rather there be no Alamo ending here.18:04
abenzACTION gives credits where credits due18:05
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dlcusaThose systemd folks don't show any signs of ever graduating from kindergarten--learning to play nicely with others.18:06
bluenesstilman: i’m going to start working on a new fork in a few weeks, nothing you guys need to change to instantly.  it pulls in a bunch of upstream refactorings that i was not able to follow with eudev-318:06
dlcusablueness, tilman: I am _greatly_ thankful for _everyone_ who freely shares and plays nicely with others.18:17
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frinnsthttp://imgur.com/nLj33Gd19:08
frinnst:(19:08
jaegeryou had ONE job19:08
jaeger... oh, you did it19:08
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mender27Hello everyone! Just doing a full re-install to confirm a few things in regards to basic CRUX setup. I'll go with openbox this time, to make my life easier :).19:44
onoderamender27: got crux working properly yet?19:44
onoderaoh, that's a "nope not yet" ;)19:44
mender27onodera: Yes and no. Xfce4 suffered from some hangs and polkit issues.19:44
mender27I managed to get wireless to work with wpa_supplicant.19:44
abenzmender27: openbox requires investing some time in making it just right but when you do its very nice and light19:45
onoderaI don't use a DE myself, but yeah I could see how it would be a pain to set up properly :)19:45
onoderaI've been using openbox for quite a while now, I used fvwm before which is also quite nice19:45
mender27abenz: Openbox is actually my favorite wm and I know it plays nicely with pcmanfm, spacefm, tint2, volumeicon and feh :)19:45
abenzlet me suggest along with openbox: tint2, pcmanfm19:45
abenzlol19:45
joacimespecially wit hthose xml config files =)19:45
mender27abenz: tehe :D19:45
abenzyea thats pretty much my app list19:46
onoderalemonbar :)19:46
abenzGL :)19:46
mender27I need to check what's in the repos, though.19:46
onoderahttps://punpun.xyz/26b7.png19:46
onoderamy openbox setup ;)19:46
onoderaon crux of course19:46
mender27any volume icons / mixers by default in CRUX?19:46
mender27onodera: your Openbox looks really decent!19:47
abenznice desktop19:47
abenzwith belly dance music? heh19:47
mender27:D19:48
tilmanonodera: that launcher/tray thing reminds me of windows 8/10(?) shots :D19:48
mender27Oh, that reminds me. There is some sort of a problem with mplayer. I cannot update it with the --enable-gui configure option19:48
mender27I always get the footprint error, which usually comes from corrupted downloads.19:49
onoderaabenz: yeah actually, lol. I downloaded it because the cover looked neat19:49
tilmanonodera: what irc client is that? i was thinking the suckless one because minimal, but that one surely doesn't do color.19:49
onoderait's irssi19:49
tilmanmy 2nd guess! lol19:49
onoderathough I used weechat before, which looks almost identical19:49
tilmanholy crap19:49
tilmanyour theme hides... everything?19:50
tilman:D19:50
mender27I also need to inform the people behind the CRUX initial kernel, because the .config graphics drivers section looks odd.19:50
onoderayeah pretty much, I don't need a lot ;)19:50
abenzindeed.. ultra minimal19:50
onoderathough I get notifications on mention, so I'm not totally "blind"19:50
mender27Tehe :D19:50
mender27If anyone's interested, I'm just proping a blog entry on CRUX Linux. Check it somewhat tomorrow-Tuesday on linuxmender from WordPress.19:51
onoderacool, I'll read it :)19:53
mender27Meanwhile, you can check out my other posts. Warning, though, I'm quite critical :P.19:53
onoderasure, please link your wordpress19:55
joacimi'll make a blogpost about you. it will also be critical :]19:55
tilmanhttps://linuxmender.wordpress.com/19:55
tilmanthat seems to be it19:55
mender27Tehe, thanks :)19:55
tilmannot sure i want to read after the trump headline :p19:55
mender27Yeah, Google already picked me up.19:55
joacimtilman: build wall tall19:55
tilmanmender27: actually you said "linuxmender" and "wordpress", so ;)19:56
onoderalet's make linux great again folks19:56
mender27I know, but when I started my blog, it took Google some days to update its registers to include my blog.19:56
tilmani think i'd prefer if we made the BSDs great19:56
tilmanbeautiful systems, but their drivers tend to suck compared to almightly linux19:56
mender27onodera: That's supposed to be self-ironic. #makeyoutubegreatagain19:57
tilmanmender27: i'll be that guy... it's just called "crux", not "crux linux" ;]19:57
onoderaisn't it CRUX19:57
tilmanyes19:58
onoderaor have I been capitalizing it wrong all this time19:58
mender27It...is xD19:58
mender27Sorry, one moment\19:58
onoderaoh alrigh19:58
tilmanonodera: if your irssi theme wasn't so messed up, you'd see it in the topic text too :ppp19:58
tilman /topic19:58
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joacimbsds seem nice19:58
joacimbeen curious for a while19:59
mender27Alright, fixed. joacim: I recommend FreeBSD. I'm running it on a 2009 MacBook and it works great :).19:59
onoderatilman: hey I can always run a /topic hehe19:59
mender27Now it's 'CRUX'.19:59
tilmanjoacim: i've only tried freebsd and netbsd on some arm devices (guruplug aka sheevaplug and beaglebone) and the driver deficincies (sp) were quite obvious19:59
tilmanfreebsd on beaglebone black had retardedly slow network e.g.20:00
joacimwell i'm old and lazy. rather slack off and do nothing while still having crux on my server and os x on my desktop than play around with new systems20:00
jaegerI think I've got a sparc lx with openbsd holding down some carpet in my closet20:00
mender27@tilman: Yes, there aren't as many network drivers, but for instance those for Realtek adapters work better than on GNU/Linux.20:00
onoderaI tried freebsd, but the packages where much older than the CRUX ones, also I felt like the CRUX package management is much simpler20:00
joacimused to change distros and operating systems more often than i changed socks 10 years ago20:00
mender27joacim: haha, good one ;D.20:00
tilmanmender27: thing is, they have a driver, but a very basic one it seems20:01
tilmannot sure where exactly the problem is, might be in the usb driver as well. who knows.20:01
mender27@tilman: yes, that is true. Not all features are covered.20:01
tilmanyou can drop the @20:01
mender27tilman: The graphics stack, unless nVidia, is also outdated.20:01
tilmant<TAB> :p20:01
mender27and a lot of ports are marked as lacking maintainer :/20:02
joacimhow about miros, openbsd, and netbsd?20:03
tilmannetbsd has worse drivers than freebsd afaiu, mostly because of lack of manpower20:04
mender27I tried OpenBSD, though too shortly. It's well supported on older Thinkpads in terms of drivers, though overall less software and older versions than other systems.20:04
tilmanopenbsd reduces its scope by only supporting some platforms, but they don't even support kirkwood (sheevaplug) anymore/never did afaik20:04
mender27Yeah, the overall support is somewhat lacking :(. SMP also came in late.20:05
tilmanjoacim: i'd say, if you have an x86 server, go try freebsd or dragonfly20:06
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mender27Yeah, FreeBSD seems godly on servers. Surprisingly, it's also the fastest running OS on my ultra legacy EeePC 4G20:07
joacimbeen thinking about getting a second server going for offline backups20:07
joacimwake up once a week to backup my main server. could run freebsd on that20:07
onoderait's pretty neat how bsds are developed in a single tree20:07
joacimor maybe just a x86 router20:07
tilmanyes20:07
tilmanonodera: yes20:07
onoderabecause of that things like pledge() can actually work20:08
tilmantheir base system tends to be larger than crux' though, which irritated me a bit20:08
tilmanalso netbsd's build.sh is so fucking great20:08
tilmaneasiest (cross-)builds from wherever20:08
tilmanvery impressive!20:08
mender27tilman: though you don't have to get the whole ports tree and kernel source tree if you don't want to :).20:10
tilmannot talking about ports but about "base"20:10
tilmanjust binaries too20:10
mender27Is it not around 2GB only?20:11
tilmanfor an embedded system 2gb is quite a lot :p20:13
abenzjoacim: consider an arm based box20:13
tilmanabenz: i claimed their arm drivers tend to suck20:14
tilmaneven on popular stuff like beaglebone20:14
abenzoh20:14
abenzI didn't know that20:14
joacimI spent many hours one night coming to the conclusion that i wanted an x86-64-based router20:14
abenzif so then a pcengines apu220:14
joacimhttp://www.pcengines.ch/apu.htm20:14
joacimthis seems interesting20:15
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mender27tilman: That's true, yes. Though why FreeBSD for an embedded system? I thought Alpine Linux or OpenBSD does the job better, no? :)20:15
tilmanopenbsd's arm soc support is even more limited than freebsd's20:16
mender27Oh...20:16
tilmanboth the devices i was talking about now run crux btw ;)20:16
mender27tilman: Good for you :D20:16
mender27I was always thinking of Gentoo as a SoC OS20:17
mender27Trimmed USE flags, small kernel, cross-compiled packages.20:17
tilmani should say i cross-build crux for them; they are too underpowered to compile stuff all day20:17
mender27I would expect no less ;D.20:17
joacimdistcc works across architectures?20:18
mender27I'll be right back, I need to reboot my new CRUX install, get some updates in and new kernel sources.20:18
joacimI configured distcc on my laptop (c2d) and server (pentium g3450), and it cut the compile times on my laptop down to a third of what it was20:19
mender27Do you guys think it's possible to rent one of those hosting servers and put a build farm on them?20:20
mender27In my country some of them are at no-cost for the first year.20:21
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frinnstcpu time is expensive20:42
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mender27Argh, more problems... For some reason now the 'lsmod' list is empty, the r8169 module does not get attached to my Ethernet adapter and there is no interface for it :/.20:46
nwemender27: have you load the module?20:49
mender27I tried loading it manually. No info in 'dmesg' and no errors of 'module not found'20:50
nwedid you pick right driver?20:51
mender27Yes, that for sure. I must've messed up the kernel config somehow, because the CRUX liveCD loads the driver properly...20:53
nwedid you run make modules modules_install ? when you build your kernel?20:55
mender27Yup, I always do that. To the spot per CRUX Handbook 3.221:01
mender27I'm compiling the kernel again, after having added some potentially missing features. Not sure whether this will help as this is the first time I have this problem :/.21:02
tilmanmender27: pretty sure the livecd kernels comes with /proc/config.gz21:07
tilmanor just check the livecd's dmesg21:07
tilmanand see what driver is laoded21:07
mender27the correct one, r816921:09
mender27thanks for intel on the config.gz. This makes life easier in case the compilation fails to provide me with the driver again.21:09
mender27Alright, I have to go to sleep. Will mention when I manage to solve my problem. See you!21:42
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