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| vsteve | hey abenz, some good news and some inconclusive news | 00:46 |
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| vsteve | I got the r9 nano tested in windows, works perfectly, nuked my crux install, reinstalled from scratch, now the console works | 00:47 |
| vsteve | I have yet to attempt anything with amdgpu...and i'm now actually a bit confused with the driver options available | 00:47 |
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| abenz | vsteve: hey thats great | 01:44 |
| abenz | so now sshd works fine right? | 01:47 |
| abenz | try installing xorg-xf86-video-amdgpu and enable it in kernel as m | 01:47 |
| abenz | if its all blank then ssh into box and see logs | 01:48 |
| vsteve | still no go on sshd | 02:10 |
| ryu0 | vsteve: what's the problem? | 02:10 |
| vsteve | I reinstalled crux from scratch, so I need to reconfigure it to come up with the system | 02:12 |
| ryu0 | sshd won't start? | 02:12 |
| vsteve | and if I were a betting man, I'd wager I never set it up correctly in the past | 02:12 |
| vsteve | oh I'm sure it will, I just haven't gotten around to setting it up yet | 02:12 |
| ryu0 | usually i only configure it to restrict auth options. | 02:13 |
| ryu0 | the rest is configuring keys. | 02:13 |
| ryu0 | i usually restrict publicly accessible servers to key only authentication. | 02:13 |
| vsteve | well for sshd, sure, but there was something goofy about how I set it up as a service that made it print [ERROR] on start up | 02:14 |
| vsteve | I could manually invoke it just fine, but the startup script never worked | 02:14 |
| vsteve | so I'm thinking I just flat out did it wrong | 02:14 |
| ryu0 | i would think crux would provide a basic init script for any daemon packages. | 02:14 |
| vsteve | I'd love to see it if there is one | 02:14 |
| ryu0 | ideally you shouldn't need to hand-edit them. | 02:14 |
| jaeger | there is one, check /etc/rc.d/sshd | 02:15 |
| vsteve | I see | 02:16 |
| vsteve | well...that's half the battle | 02:16 |
| vsteve | now I just need to know what to do with it and how to invoke it at startup :p | 02:17 |
| ryu0 | i would think there's a file to edit to enable it or some command. | 02:17 |
| vsteve | I'll have a dig through the wiki tomorrow, I don't have it in me to brute force invocation | 02:19 |
| jaeger | you can leave it as-is and add 'sshd' to the SERVICES array in /etc/rc.conf | 02:19 |
| ryu0 | /etc/rc.conf | 02:19 |
| vsteve | AH, or that | 02:19 |
| ryu0 | or, you could just RTFM. | 02:19 |
| jaeger | for example: SERVICES=(lo net crond sshd named nginx chronyd postgresql dovecot postgrey dspam postfix opendkim saslauthd) | 02:19 |
| vsteve | which manual? | 02:19 |
| ryu0 | https://crux.nu/Main/Handbook3-2 | 02:19 |
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| vsteve | sshd is mentioned in the handbook? | 02:20 |
| ryu0 | no, but how to enable services is. | 02:20 |
| vsteve | ah ok | 02:21 |
| vsteve | welp, i managed to miss that | 02:22 |
| vsteve | I manage to miss a lot of things in the crux documentation and generally end up doing horrible things to my install until something works or I have to give up and start over from scratch | 02:22 |
| vsteve | anyway, what jaeger mentioned what exactly what I needed | 02:23 |
| ryu0 | vsteve: perhaps it's just a lack of familiarity with linux in general? | 02:23 |
| vsteve | ryu0, I don't know how to do ...whatever you just did | 02:24 |
| ryu0 | i've done manual debian/ubuntu installs before. it's a bit of work but doable from reading the docs. | 02:25 |
| vsteve | it probably doesn't help that I'm on a webclient | 02:25 |
| ryu0 | for those debootstrap is your friend. | 02:25 |
| vsteve | I'm not sure what that is | 02:26 |
| ryu0 | every bootable linux environment needs to include a bootloader and kernel, in addition to userspace. | 02:26 |
| ryu0 | it's a debian specific tool for installing basic packages to a chroot. | 02:26 |
| ryu0 | it can also be used to setup a new custom install. | 02:26 |
| ryu0 | you just have to be comfortable with some initial custom config. | 02:26 |
| vsteve | oh...i'm not sure I need that | 02:26 |
| ryu0 | i did for my server. | 02:26 |
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| ryu0 | my environment wasn't supported by the official installer. | 02:27 |
| ryu0 | ZFS root. | 02:27 |
| vsteve | I mean, what you're talking about specifically, I'm setting up a workstation for openCL projects | 02:27 |
| ryu0 | Oh. | 02:27 |
| ryu0 | linux mint would probably be easier to deal with. | 02:27 |
| vsteve | maybe | 02:28 |
| ryu0 | depending on what you exactly need. | 02:28 |
| vsteve | well I liked that crux seems to be bare bones and you add on as needed | 02:28 |
| vsteve | instead of having to whittle down | 02:28 |
| ryu0 | ah, but compiling from source gets old. | 02:28 |
| vsteve | I compile from source for a living, literally | 02:28 |
| vsteve | so I'm ok with it | 02:28 |
| ryu0 | i meant the whole system. | 02:28 |
| ryu0 | it's not as bad as gentoo but still. | 02:28 |
| ryu0 | there's times i couldn't afford to wait for software to compile if i need it _NOW_ | 02:29 |
| vsteve | I haven't run up against that kind of deadline at home | 02:29 |
| abenz_ | compiling from source isn't that big of a deal like it was ~15 years ago | 02:29 |
| abenz_ | nowadays PCs are fast | 02:29 |
| abenz_ | some old timers on retro setups will still feel its a big deal though :) | 02:30 |
| vsteve | I think my research system can do a full fledged update on 8 cores in....2 hours? maybe 4? | 02:30 |
| ryu0 | what i'm saying is i can't afford delays like that. | 02:30 |
| ryu0 | i have to do work at home. | 02:30 |
| vsteve | ah | 02:30 |
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| vsteve | I do too, it's just not time sensitive | 02:30 |
| vsteve | anyway, this got way off the rails | 02:31 |
| vsteve | all I needed to get sshd to work as expected ...I suspect was what jaeger pointed out | 02:31 |
| vsteve | I'll have to test it, but that won't be today | 02:32 |
| ryu0 | it should work. it's BSD style init scripts. | 02:32 |
| vsteve | I'd imagine so | 02:32 |
| ryu0 | they use a shell variable to hold what services to start. | 02:32 |
| vsteve | I have no idea what I did last time | 02:33 |
| ryu0 | or actually... | 02:33 |
| ryu0 | https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/configtuning-rcd.html | 02:33 |
| ryu0 | sshd_enable="YES" | 02:33 |
| vsteve | if crux strictly adheres to this, that'd be good documentation to have | 02:33 |
| ryu0 | it's not identical but the general idea they use is shell-like config files. | 02:34 |
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| ryu0 | outside of service specific config files. | 02:34 |
| vsteve | eh, so I'll have to pick through it and filter what works for crux | 02:35 |
| vsteve | added to my list of things to sift through | 02:35 |
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| ryu0 | ARCH used to be like this before they switched to systemd. | 02:35 |
| vsteve | mixed feelings on systemd | 02:36 |
| ryu0 | some might agree with this statement: | 02:37 |
| ryu0 | systemd is the most successful linux virus ever written. | 02:37 |
| ryu0 | =p | 02:37 |
| vsteve | I like that it sure boots fast | 02:37 |
| vsteve | other than that...I don't like that it steps away from "do one thing and do it well" | 02:37 |
| ryu0 | but, then you find it's not that big of a deal. | 02:37 |
| ryu0 | so what if my system boots like 15s instead of 60s? i don't reboot a lot. | 02:38 |
| vsteve | I reboot....incessantly | 02:38 |
| vsteve | so to me it matters a great deal | 02:38 |
| ryu0 | hardware improvements have been the main cause of improvements in boot performance. | 02:38 |
| vsteve | but I can see why it wouldn't matter to a lot of people | 02:38 |
| ryu0 | which doesn't require you to redo your software architecture for something that usually doesn't make much difference... | 02:39 |
| vsteve | *shrug* | 02:40 |
| vsteve | if I can get a pain-free speed boost, I'll take it | 02:40 |
| vsteve | once it's not pain-free, it comes down to how much of a pain in the neck is it to impliment | 02:40 |
| vsteve | for me, systemd is too far | 02:40 |
| vsteve | also arch in general is rolling release and...I can't | 02:42 |
| ryu0 | what about manjaro? | 02:42 |
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| vsteve_ | that was weird | 02:44 |
| vsteve_ | anyway | 02:44 |
| ryu0 | what about manjaro? | 02:45 |
| vsteve_ | I hadn't heard of manjaro, but it's another thing it looks like I'd have to whittle it down | 02:45 |
| vsteve_ | crux is like...95% of what I want in an OS | 02:45 |
| abenz_ | in the end you'll come back to crux ;) | 02:45 |
| vsteve_ | it just comes with a steep learning curve, which I'm fine with....I'll hit every branch on the way down, but I'll eventually have a system the way I want it | 02:46 |
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| abenz_ | you'll appreciate being forced to learn down the road. | 02:46 |
| vsteve_ | I already do | 02:46 |
| vsteve_ | and it drives my coworkers insane | 02:46 |
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| abenz_ | what are they using? | 02:47 |
| ryu0 | vsteve_: maybe you can setup a transfer program with the local sanitarium. =p | 02:47 |
| vsteve_ | windows and sles | 02:47 |
| abenz | ah | 02:48 |
| vsteve_ | I work with some dangerously inexperienced people...well...one guy...he's usually busy proving to everyone within ear-shot that he can't finish a coherent thought | 02:49 |
| vsteve_ | but what I do at home is supplementary to what I do at work....I don't have root access at work | 02:50 |
| abenz | I hear newer generations suffer from ADD | 02:50 |
| abenz | Attention deficit disorder | 02:50 |
| ryu0 | vsteve_: http://assets.amuniversal.com/e076af906cc701301d50001dd8b71c47 | 02:50 |
| abenz | thats why books no longer appeal to the masses | 02:50 |
| vsteve_ | this one suffers from....dangerous lack of education | 02:50 |
| abenz | http://totallyadd.com/do-i-have-add/ | 02:50 |
| vsteve_ | wow "me want banana" really speaks to me | 02:51 |
| vsteve_ | he's not add though, he'll talk for like...4 hours about politics | 02:51 |
| vsteve_ | or football | 02:51 |
| vsteve_ | or..god knows whatever else | 02:52 |
| vsteve_ | I usually get up and leave | 02:52 |
| ryu0 | vsteve_: ADHD/ADD is often confused with autism, so that could be a factor. | 02:52 |
| vsteve_ | if anybody's autistic it's me, I'll own that | 02:53 |
| vsteve_ | this guy...this guy just can't shut up | 02:53 |
| vsteve_ | it's truly as if he likes to hear his own voice | 02:53 |
| abenz | we all have our own weird little sides | 02:53 |
| ryu0 | http://dilbert.com/strip/1996-01-12 | 02:53 |
| vsteve_ | but I digress, one of the sweetest parts of being home is not having to hear him talk | 02:54 |
| vsteve_ | these are remarkably topical | 02:54 |
| vsteve_ | I work next to a window I routinely plan on leaping through | 02:54 |
| ryu0 | there's a dilbert comic for most work situations. | 02:54 |
| vsteve_ | but ANYWHO, tomorrow I look forward to sorting out sshd, that should be pretty easy to work out | 02:55 |
| ryu0 | then there's this one. | 02:55 |
| ryu0 | http://dilbert.com/strip/2005-04-17 | 02:55 |
| ryu0 | vsteve_: just how old are you anyway? | 02:56 |
| abenz | ?! | 02:56 |
| abenz | I thought you did a clean install? | 02:56 |
| abenz | what is there to sort out? it works out of the box.. | 02:56 |
| abenz | anyways, I need a hot drink. brb | 02:56 |
| vsteve_ | I'll say 30ish | 02:56 |
| vsteve_ | and as for sshd, it most certainy does not....I hope or i'll sound like a lunatic | 02:56 |
| ryu0 | i'm younger than you then... i've used linux for a good while. | 02:56 |
| vsteve_ | I have too, but strictly on a utilitarian basis | 02:57 |
| vsteve_ | theres a lot of crazy shit I can do, and a lot of basic stuff I can't | 02:57 |
| vsteve_ | simply because I've never needed to | 02:57 |
| ryu0 | feel lost without your GUIs? =p | 02:57 |
| vsteve_ | the opposite | 02:57 |
| vsteve_ | I'll compile things from source all day...but you'd have to pay me hourly to use the ubuntu interface | 02:58 |
| vsteve_ | whatever the hell they're calling it this month | 02:58 |
| ryu0 | cinnamon or kde is what i prefer these days. | 02:58 |
| ryu0 | unity. | 02:58 |
| vsteve_ | sometimes I let my hair down with icewm :p | 02:58 |
| ryu0 | there's a feature KDE has i suspect no other DE does... | 02:59 |
| vsteve_ | what's that? | 02:59 |
| ryu0 | the ability to at least partially restore your last session's programs (X11) | 02:59 |
| vsteve_ | oh...that's neat | 02:59 |
| ryu0 | it works without me having to configure anything. | 02:59 |
| vsteve_ | also nice | 03:00 |
| ryu0 | KDE is heavy but i frankly don't care. | 03:00 |
| ryu0 | storage is plentiful and unused RAM is wasted anyway. | 03:00 |
| vsteve_ | I work in high performance computing, so icewm is about as heavy as I go | 03:00 |
| ryu0 | heh. i'm just a programmer, and a bit of jack of all trades elsewhere. | 03:01 |
| vsteve_ | I spent the first 25 years of my life playing a combination of tetris, doom or quake, now I support Crays | 03:02 |
| vsteve_ | that about sums up what I do | 03:02 |
| ryu0 | the super computer? | 03:02 |
| vsteve_ | an XC-40 and a slew of XC-30s | 03:02 |
| vsteve_ | that is correct | 03:02 |
| ryu0 | ancient or relatively new? | 03:03 |
| vsteve_ | I think our oldest is like...two years? | 03:03 |
| ryu0 | Oh. | 03:03 |
| vsteve_ | I mean...we have a Cray 2 in the back for giggles | 03:03 |
| vsteve_ | that's from 86 | 03:03 |
| ryu0 | cause those super computers from what i've read go obsolete rather fast. | 03:03 |
| vsteve_ | they sure do, but...that's the silly thing about the benchmarks | 03:03 |
| vsteve_ | no one....well, hardly no one, uses the whole thing at once | 03:04 |
| vsteve_ | so that system-wide benchmark is just about meaningless | 03:04 |
| ryu0 | so you have a timesharing system or what? | 03:04 |
| vsteve_ | they all are pretty much, comprised of hundreds of thousands of nodes | 03:04 |
| ryu0 | i assume it's highly specialized programs for heavy computations. | 03:05 |
| vsteve_ | wellllllll | 03:05 |
| vsteve_ | it should be | 03:05 |
| vsteve_ | a handful are | 03:05 |
| ryu0 | i'd expect them to be, to get the most for your bought time. | 03:05 |
| vsteve_ | most of our users want to run wild and install python and java and all this other junk | 03:05 |
| ryu0 | ._. | 03:05 |
| ryu0 | almost surprised they don't just use fortran. | 03:06 |
| vsteve_ | we STRONGLY encourage the use of fortran and C | 03:06 |
| vsteve_ | and generally mock people doing things that are ovbiously wasteful | 03:06 |
| ryu0 | what cpu architecture? | 03:06 |
| vsteve_ | it's a pile of xeons | 03:06 |
| ryu0 | so x86 cluster. | 03:07 |
| vsteve_ | yeah | 03:07 |
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| ryu0 | some use powerpc or w/e. | 03:07 |
| vsteve_ | I wish | 03:07 |
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| vsteve_ | our researchers aren't interested in power | 03:07 |
| ryu0 | i suspect IBM may be the only real server vendor for PowerPC left. | 03:07 |
| vsteve_ | ehh, there's Tyan | 03:07 |
| vsteve_ | but I don't know how seriously they're taking that role | 03:08 |
| ryu0 | what about ARM? i doubt they'd be of much interest. they never cared about performance. | 03:08 |
| ryu0 | almost makes me wonder if your cluster also supports opencl. | 03:08 |
| vsteve_ | part of it does | 03:09 |
| vsteve_ | but with nvidia chips, m2070s I think | 03:09 |
| vsteve_ | they're showing their age | 03:09 |
| ryu0 | that's even better if your work can be described there. | 03:09 |
| ryu0 | these are not computers for your average programmer. | 03:09 |
| ryu0 | they're for scientists, mathematicians, and others who need to run expensive computations. | 03:10 |
| ryu0 | at least that's how i'd think of it. | 03:10 |
| vsteve_ | they are, and they should be | 03:10 |
| vsteve_ | but we have people who treat them like workstations | 03:10 |
| vsteve_ | run all kinds of goofy shit on there, like...fuckin' matlab | 03:10 |
| vsteve_ | and we tell them...go buy a workstation, you'll have your own license..it'll work better | 03:11 |
| vsteve_ | but OHHH no, they need it to run on the cluster...where it's not supported | 03:11 |
| ryu0 | does C++ fit into your ecosystem? | 03:12 |
| ryu0 | i would think it's another option. | 03:12 |
| vsteve_ | it is | 03:12 |
| vsteve_ | and we generally ask users to work in that | 03:12 |
| ryu0 | frankly i'd only think you want to support python or so if the main computations were already offloaded to one of those languages. | 03:13 |
| vsteve_ | and....usually...that's what they claim they're doing | 03:13 |
| ryu0 | yet, profiling proves otherwise. X) | 03:13 |
| ryu0 | if most of the time isn't spent in the C/C++/Fortran code, then you're not doing that. | 03:14 |
| vsteve_ | well I tell em we've got perl and bash, they can make it work | 03:14 |
| vsteve_ | but they come to us knowing only some python | 03:14 |
| vsteve_ | so...that goes out the window | 03:14 |
| vsteve_ | I do have a handful of badass users though | 03:15 |
| vsteve_ | this one dude wrote something in C that runs entirely out of cache | 03:15 |
| vsteve_ | well a simulator | 03:16 |
| vsteve_ | for really....really freakishly small simulations | 03:16 |
| vsteve_ | and it *screamed* | 03:16 |
| vsteve_ | that may actually be our best performing application | 03:16 |
| vsteve_ | because each node has something insane like..80MB of cache | 03:17 |
| ryu0 | vsteve_: but in the end, does it matter to your company if they run inefficient code? it means more $$$ if they waste their own money on foolishness. =p | 03:18 |
| vsteve_ | ehhhh...I can't go into details but all I can say is...if money were a factor, things would be REAL different | 03:18 |
| ryu0 | oh. | 03:18 |
| ryu0 | it would fix this problem quickly if they were billed based on how much cpu time their processes consume. | 03:19 |
| ryu0 | to some extent. | 03:19 |
| vsteve_ | yes, yes it would | 03:19 |
| vsteve_ | but with that, I need sleep | 03:19 |
| ryu0 | k. | 03:19 |
| vsteve_ | I can only replace it with coffee for so long | 03:19 |
| abenz | I hear coffee is bad | 03:19 |
| Workster | ACTION sips on coffee | 03:19 |
| abenz | ACTION sips his freshly brewed coffee | 03:19 |
| abenz | OUCH you beat me Workster | 03:20 |
| Workster | nah coffee is great just look at me :P | 03:20 |
| Workster | hehe | 03:20 |
| vsteve_ | I'd suck coffee up through my eyeballs given half a chance | 03:20 |
| vsteve_ | ANYWAY, time for bed | 03:20 |
| vsteve_ | I'll check in tomorrow once I'm done breaking sshd again :P | 03:20 |
| abenz | nighty night buddy | 03:20 |
| vsteve_ | peace out ya'll | 03:20 |
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| onodera | teK_: Can you please update vala to 0.32.1 and move the man to /usr/share? | 19:43 |
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| vsteve | I managed to get sshd working as a service, exactly as simply as jaeger made it seem, however..the service doesn't actually seem to be accepting clients | 22:25 |
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| vsteve | sshd is clearly running, and it's using a config I used before when it worked | 22:26 |
| vsteve | yet I get connection refused to the system internally or externally | 22:26 |
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| vsteve | i've generated keys...the service is running...the sshd_config looks good..am I forgetting something client side? | 22:36 |
| ][_R_][ | ss -lntp | cat | 22:42 |
| ][_R_][ | That shows sshd running? | 22:42 |
| ][_R_][ | Are you trying to ssh to root? | 22:43 |
| vsteve | I am, and your command incidently does not show it running... | 22:43 |
| vsteve | ps -ef shows it though.. | 22:43 |
| ][_R_][ | That lists what TCP ports are being listened on. | 22:43 |
| vsteve | or it did a minute ago | 22:43 |
| ][_R_][ | Check /var/log/! | 22:44 |
| vsteve | huh I don't even see an sshd log | 22:45 |
| ][_R_][ | Because there isn't one specifically for it | 22:46 |
| ][_R_][ | /var/log/messages <-- that's the catch-all | 22:46 |
| ][_R_][ | /var/log/auth is the other one to watch | 22:47 |
| vsteve | weird, so when I grep for sshd in messages, I got four identical messages | 22:48 |
| vsteve | "No process in pidfile '/var/run/sshd.pid' found running; none killed. | 22:48 |
| ][_R_][ | Even in auth? | 22:49 |
| vsteve | oh even weirder | 22:50 |
| vsteve | a few errors, it seems it can't bind to the right port on the ip address | 22:50 |
| vsteve | it tries a few times and dies | 22:50 |
| vsteve | ..it's also doing something wrong | 22:51 |
| vsteve | it's trying to bind that port to an ip it doesn't have | 22:51 |
| vsteve | that's weird, I have no idea where it's getting that other ip from, but that was it's ip before I reinstalled from scratch | 22:52 |
| ][_R_][ | Any ListenAddress entries in sshd_config uncommented? | 22:52 |
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| ][_R_][ | Did you wipe the logs too? | 22:52 |
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| vsteve | I wiped the whole filesystem and reinstalled fresh | 22:52 |
| vsteve | the only file I've moved back so far is sshd_config | 22:53 |
| vsteve | the listenaddress I have in there is the IP of the server | 22:53 |
| vsteve | and that's the only ip in there | 22:53 |
| ][_R_][ | Try uncommenting that out | 22:54 |
| ][_R_][ | Then reboot sshd | 22:54 |
| vsteve | the whole listenaddress line? | 22:55 |
| ][_R_][ | Yes | 22:55 |
| ][_R_][ | You don't need them | 22:55 |
| vsteve | I sure seemed to before...but alright | 22:55 |
| ][_R_][ | Unless you want to specifically limit what IPs sshd will listen to | 22:55 |
| vsteve | huh, ok well now i'm perplexed | 22:56 |
| ][_R_][ | In fact, you shouldn't have to edit sshd_config at all, unless you're doing something non-standard. | 22:56 |
| vsteve | this worked before the way I had it....now the only way to get it to work is to comment out that line | 22:56 |
| vsteve | because I tried it at defaults first, months ago when I started messing with sshd and I got nowhere fast | 22:57 |
| vsteve | I finally put my server's IP in there, and it worked fine for like...a month..across updates, across reboots | 22:57 |
| vsteve | now it's working as expected | 22:58 |
| vsteve | well..not expected, now it's working | 22:58 |
| vsteve | so thanks for that | 23:01 |
| vsteve | now the trick will be x11 forwarding which is half working | 23:09 |
| vsteve | it seems again I have all the pieces, but..there's still something missing | 23:10 |
| vsteve | I can ssh in with -Y and that goes without error...hit my text console, do startx...and x starts right up on the server, but on my remote machine all I see is x11 console output | 23:11 |
| vsteve | I found this: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/12755/how-to-forward-x-over-ssh-from-ubuntu-machine | 23:15 |
| vsteve | i'm not using ubuntu anywhere, but I figured it should be close enough....I have all the things mentioned there but still i'm not getting it | 23:16 |
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| ][_R_][ | You have to do something with xauth... or disable xauth because it isn't documented anywhere | 23:48 |
| vsteve | ...oh boy | 23:57 |
| vsteve | on the client side or server side? | 23:57 |
| ][_R_][ | Can't recall | 23:58 |
| ][_R_][ | Probably both | 23:58 |
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