IRC Logs for #crux Wednesday, 2016-10-05

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rmullLinux 4.8 is out https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_4.802:07
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][_R_][I'm having a derp moment, what do I do with this again?:02:43
][_R_][=======> ERROR: Footprint mismatch found:02:43
][_R_][NEW       -rwxr-xr-x      root/root       usr/lib/gegl-0.2/sdl-display.la02:43
][_R_][NEW       -rwxr-xr-x      root/root       usr/lib/gegl-0.2/sdl-display.so02:43
][_R_][=======> ERROR: Building '/usr/ports/opt/gegl/gegl#0.2.0-1.pkg.tar.gz' failed.02:43
][_R_][prt-get: error while install02:43
rmullI prefer to set PKGMK_IGNORE_NEW="yes" in /etc/pkgmk.conf02:44
rmullAnd reinstall02:44
jaegeryou can also just pkgadd it. It built at that point, just has extra stuff it wasn't expecting02:44
jaegerin this case, looks like SDL support02:44
rmullOr prt-get -if02:45
][_R_][Ah, that works thanks02:49
][_R_][It'd have been nice if prt-get defaulted to asking me if that was alright...02:50
][_R_][Also it restarted the compile each time I reran it02:50
rmullpkgadd can be run on the file that the first compile produced02:54
rmullTo avoid a recompile02:55
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: cpan2crux: updated md5sum05:40
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: cpan2crux: updated md5sum05:46
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crash_is there a program to easy add httup and rsync repos the list under ports i mean :)09:27
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frinnst2wget? or not sure I follow09:41
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crash_well i'm trying to understand how to add httup repos mostly, do i need to put them in prt-get as well or just in /usr/ports09:44
crash_:)09:44
frinnst2if you want to use prt-get you need to specify what directories it should look in for ports09:45
crash_ok so it can find them09:46
crash_mpup is something for 3rd-party repos?09:47
frinnst2yeah it allows you to subscribe to a specific port from a repository. all subscribed ports appear in a "meta" repository locally for you09:48
crash_that could be handy maybe09:49
frinnst2i have this line in my mpup.lst file: httpup sync http://jue.li/crux/ports/#samba samba09:49
frinnst2for example09:49
crash_so if you do prt-get depinst samba it will grab samba from there?09:51
frinnst2yeah because i specified /usr/ports/meta first in my prt-get.conf09:51
frinnst2the repository order in prt-get.conf specifies priorities for duplicate ports09:52
crash_i see09:52
cruxbot[core.git/3.2]: [notify] bash: update to 4.3.4810:04
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cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-libxss: initial import10:31
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-scrnsaverproto: minor cleanup10:31
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piecesofquiethello guys, switched back to CRUX after Void started giving me the shits. Do need some help with setting up pulse though, if anyone's available please10:40
Romsterpulse isn't required to use crux, infact the majority of us don't use pulse.10:50
Romsteri'm not sure what is required to use pulse in crux other than prt-get depinst pulseaudio10:50
Romsterpiecesofquiet, ^10:52
abenzyup, only alsa here10:55
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: [notify] xorg-libx11: update to 1.6.410:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-libxfixes: update to 5.0.310:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-libxi: update to 1.7.710:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-libxrandr: update to 1.5.110:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-libxrender: update to 0.9.1010:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-libxtst: update to 1.2.310:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-libxv: update to 1.0.1110:57
cruxbot[xorg.git/3.2]: xorg-libxvmc: update to 1.0.1010:57
piecesofquietwhen i was running it before, alsa was fine. Sound setup has changed now though, with me being an idiot and physically damaging onboard sound.10:57
piecesofquietInstalls fine, just get errors. I'll play around with it a bit more, see what I come up with.10:58
piecesofquieterrors trying to run*10:58
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: mailx: update to 14.8.1211:24
rmullFYI opt/nvidia doesn't build on linux 4.8 without a patch, but nvidia-sl does11:37
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Romstergood to know rmull11:57
Romsternvidia always lags behind the kernel11:58
pedjaserver pr0n for rainy afternoon https://www.servethehome.com/supermicro-x10sdv-tln4f-review-platform/12:04
pedjadamn, that's a nice machine.12:04
abenzmouse fails exactly after warranty expires. they really mastered planned obsolescence..12:05
abenz </rant>12:05
abenzaww I thought it'd be an arm system12:06
abenztoo bad12:07
abenzwhen will the year of the ARM servers arrive?12:08
abenzs/arm servers/linux desktop/g12:08
abenz:)12:08
pedjaScaleway has ARM based VPS's.I wonder what they use for servers.12:12
pedja4 ARM cores/2gb ram/50gb ssd for 2.99/month.almost too good to be true.12:15
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: [notify] chromium: update to 53.0.2785.14312:20
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: nettle: update to 3.312:20
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: vte-gtk3: update to 0.46.012:20
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: dialog: update to 1.3-2016082812:20
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: mailman: update to 2.1.2312:20
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: xterm: update to 32612:20
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: qtwebengine: initial import12:25
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: neon: update to 0.30.212:30
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: dnspython: update to 1.15.012:30
Romstercommit thursday12:31
Romsterwell wednesday it's not quite thursday...12:31
Romsterhttp://crux.ster.zone/packages/3.2/qtwebengine#5.7.0-1.pkg.tar.xz12:32
Romstertsaop ^^^12:33
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retardpedja: my boss was actually talking about their VPS hardware in lunch the other day12:41
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retardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFhgSKNJP2s12:52
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pedjaretard: nice.thanks :)12:54
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pedjajaeger: have you seen this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/302063498668?rmvSB=true13:21
pedja(refurbished) 800gb dc s3700 for 250$.13:22
pedjaups.'out of stock'.no surprise thee.13:24
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frinnst2I have a dc s3500 in my desktop13:35
frinnst2its pretty nice13:35
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: geany: update to 1.2813:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: geany-plugins: update to 1.2813:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: p5-extutils-depends: update to 0.40513:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: p5-extutils-pkgconfig: update footprint and mandir location13:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: p5-glib: update to 1.32313:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: p5-cairo: update to 1.10613:45
cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: doxygen: update to 1.8.1213:45
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pedjafrinnst2: then you might be interested in this https://www.servethehome.com/firefox-is-eating-your-ssd-here-is-how-to-fix-it/15:07
pedjawhat is the linux equiv. for SSDLife, tool that they are using to show the amount of data read/written on the SSD?15:12
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chris2smartctl -a ?15:16
frinnstiostat ?15:19
frinnsttbh that sounds like a non-issue15:19
frinnsti dont think i'll have any problems - a couple of gb per day should be fine15:20
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jaegeryeah, that's not worth worrying about unless you have a really old SSD or a recent one with a bad controller15:41
jaegereven less so on an enterprise SSD like the DC series15:42
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tsaopRomster: thank you for the qtwebengine port19:16
tsaopwill fix my packages in the next days19:17
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: nspr: updated to 4.1319:46
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cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: xorg-font-msttcorefonts: remove duplicate url from source, FS#134621:13
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crash_have a problem on a laptop installing crux with uefi, i have a partion 512MB efi-system and fat16 formatted and mounted to boot/efi but when i run grub-install i get Could not prepare Boot variable: no such file22:31
jaegerwhat command line did you use for grub-install?22:33
jaegerAnd are your efi vars working? either with the efivars module or efivarfs22:34
crash_i used grub-install /boot/efi and nothing else as the wiki stated :)22:36
jaegerNever seen that particular error, myself. Is secure boot disabled?22:37
crash_yep22:37
crash_have never seen this error before either22:38
crash_the same command works fine on my other crux laptop22:38
jaegerfunky22:39
crash_i used a updated-crux3.2 iso and on the other laptop i used the release22:40
crash_not sure if that has something todo with it22:41
jaegerhrmm, it's possible. I'll have to do some testing22:42
crash_yeah maybe it's just a bug with efivar or something22:42
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vsteveabenz?23:32
abenzyes23:32
vsteveah there you are, I've made progress with the r9 nano23:33
vsteve...ish23:33
abenzdo tell23:33
vsteveI've written a gigantic awful script that "unDebians" the amdgpu-pro package23:33
vsteveit's like 330+ lines23:33
abenzoh dear23:33
abenzthat sounds an awful lot of work23:34
vstevebut as far as I can tell it does it's job, my hard part now is that I need to get xorg to load the right driver23:34
vsteveand I don't know if the right driver is amdgpu or amdgpu-pro  or something else23:34
abenzundebian? so gpu-pro is targeted at ubuntu family only?23:34
abenzI thought it was meant for any linux dist23:34
vstevefor now, yes23:34
vstevein the future they slate it for all linux's23:34
vstevei'm just impatient23:35
vstevesome amd dev told me I could "pick the ubuntu driver apart" so...I did23:35
vsteveand it's a big hideous mess23:35
abenzso this is to get extra functionality (opencl?), the basic stuff is all in the upstreamed driver right23:35
abenzamdgpu that is (-pro)23:35
vstevecorrect23:35
abenzI see23:36
vstevealso the theory is that amdgpu-pro should perform a bit better in opengl23:36
vstevesince amdgpu's opengl performance is sad at best23:36
abenzwell that surely removed a lot of the enchantment with the nano23:36
vsteveit will improve with time, I'm sure23:36
vstevethere's just a mountain to climb, and once I'm done climbing it I'll carefully document every step23:36
abenzthat'd be great :)23:37
vsteveso far my script does a huge assload of the work for you, including installation23:37
vstevethough I must caution you I didn't write a package or..uninstaller of any kind, it just merges into your root file system23:37
abenzis it available for review?23:37
vsteveit is, I'm....so sorry for what you're about to see23:38
vstevehttps://community.amd.com/message/275308023:38
abenzACTION puts on goggles 23:38
vsteveyou might see if that link works23:38
abenzneed to login23:38
vsteveI can email it to you if you're interested23:38
abenzpls do23:39
vstevegod speed23:40
abenzheh23:41
abenzits just copying/moving stuff around23:41
abenzyou scared me23:41
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abenz:D23:42
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vsteveit is, on a large scale23:42
vstevethey did some WEIRD stuff inside that package, made it a real pain to work with23:42
vstevebut that script boils it all down, conveniently to /etc /lib and /usr23:42
cruxbot[opt.git/3.2]: efibootmgr: 13 -> 1423:42
vstevesomething that should work in any distro...I think23:42
abenzI was thinking dissecting firmware, padding md5s and the like heh23:43
vsteveoh no, it's just hideous code23:43
abenzhow's performance now?23:43
vsteveI'll try and make it more efficient, I was just 100% focused on making it work23:43
abenzworth it in the end I hope?23:43
vstevewell..I imagine it will be, but that's yet to be seen23:43
vsteveI still need to fix xorg23:44
vsteveand figure out what driver to point it to and god knows what else23:44
vstevebut that script is my first big stab in the right direction23:44
abenzi see23:44
vsteveand hopefully it can be used to make the whole amdgpu-pro available to all distros23:45
vsteveAMD seems like a company of big ideas and few people...so they start to drag on some projects23:45
vstevelike Open64 for instance, which was going strong for a few years and then they just stopped updating it23:46
vsteveand AMD and ATI have always been of the mindset that optimizations should be made over-time in the drivers23:46
vsteveand historically that's worked really well, I had a 12-pipeline ati x800 that outperformed an nvidia 16-pipeline 6800gt with the latest ati drivers23:47
abenzI noticed that too. OpenGL is being phased out to vulkan.. which is basically AMD mantle23:47
vsteveonce they figure out how to get something working well - it tends to work pretty damn well23:48
vsteveyeah, so it's a matter of time, but it'll have great results23:48
vsteveI'm just hoping to speed things along for early adopters23:48
abenzhowever I think they play the good guy (ie release opensource stuff like freesync and the like) because people wouldn't bother otherwise23:48
vsteveoh they absolutely do that because they have to23:49
vsteveyou can't be the "lesser than" choice and still be a company as evil and intel or nvidia23:49
abenzin their glory days, with the dual-CPU enthusiast platforms, they charged I don't remember how much but huge amounts of cash23:49
vstevebut I imagine the first dual cpu wafers had terrible bin rates23:50
abenzI meant dual-CPU, not dual-Core23:50
abenzthey had an enthusiast "FX" line23:50
vsteveohhhh23:50
abenzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_Quad_FX_platform23:51
vsteveoh yeah, this tech was modifed and put to use in Cray XT5s23:51
abenztheir "coherent fabric" ?23:52
abenzlol those names23:52
vstevesomething like that23:52
vstevethey managed to have 8 cpus to a node in the XT523:52
abenzI see23:53
vstevebut anyway, I'm going to keep trying to figure out this xorg issue23:53
vsteveyou have my email address now, so if you come up with any bright ideas, please send them my way if you feel so inclined23:54
abenzI wonder if the performance you're seeing is comparable to radeon (on a comparable gpu)23:54
vstevemaybe but..what comprable gpu is there?23:54
abenzor if amdgpu is very different that performance is greatly affected without the blobs23:54
vstevethe fiji is so weird23:54
vsteveit's their only card with 4x 512-bit memory busses23:55
abenzsay a highend gpu that works with radeon driver not amdgpu23:55
abenzI mean it on driver level not hardware23:55
vstevehmm23:55
abenzthe other day I tried some 3d games23:55
vsteveI'm not as familiar with their products as I should be23:55
abenzon my very cheap radeon, and it wasn't bad..23:56
vstevecheap and old or just cheap?23:56
abenzso I wonder when you say "sad 3d performance", how much are we talking ?23:56
vsteveso in glxgears I saw 5000 fps23:56
vstevemy x800 pro from 2004 can do that23:56
abenz01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Caicos [Radeon HD 6450/7450/8450 / R5 230 OEM]23:56
abenzglxgears is hardly any measurement23:57
vstevewell...fair point23:57
abenzisn't that ancient anyway23:57
vstevebut it should be blasting away at far higher than 5k23:57
vstevemy mobile nvidia 335m can hit around 7300 fps23:58
vsteveat minimum the fiji has a higher operating frequency and a big fat heap of memory busses23:58
vstevethat should count for something, i'd think23:59
abenztouche23:59
vsteveI should have opened Quake 3 to get a better sense23:59
abenzbut still, I think a proper way of measurement should be used23:59
vsteveI agree23:59
abenzglxgears is just ... too raw23:59
vsteveand I'll do more complete testing when I get there23:59

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