IRC Logs for #crux Sunday, 2016-10-16

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brian|lfsis anyone getting the new comcast data cap startsing November 1st?01:55
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cruxbot[compat-32.git/3.2]: dbus-32: 1.10.10 -> 1.10.1202:06
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cruxbot[contrib.git/3.2]: pyopenssl: 0.15.1 -> 16.2.002:23
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brian|lfshello all07:01
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john_cephalopodaHey10:17
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john_cephalopodaI got a ton of custom packages that are not in the repos. I think I'll go through them, select the ones that are good, and contribute them.11:05
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john_cephalopodaIs there a simple way to find all deps of a program, like with finddeps, but ignoring things that are dependencies of something that is already selected?11:39
john_cephalopodaFor example, finddeps lists "xorg-libx11 (xorg)" and "xorg-libxau (xorg)". libx11 depends on libxau, so libxau will be there if libx11 is installed.11:40
john_cephalopodaAnd manual checking gets tiring fast with all those xorg things.11:40
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Romsterprt-get quickdep foo ?12:00
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john_cephalopodaRomster: Doesn't work. It tells me that that package doesn't exist. I'm doing that with a custom-made package btw.12:06
john_cephalopoda[john@metis ~]$ prt-get quickdep drawpile12:06
john_cephalopodaThe package 'drawpile' could not be found:12:06
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frinnstjohn_cephalopoda: prt-get only knows about the repos you specify in the config13:13
frinnstif you have lots of local ports i'd suggest you put them in a dir and specify that dir in prt-get.conf13:14
john_cephalopodafrinnst: My use case is, that I don't know the dependencies of a custom port. So they are not in the Pkgfile.13:14
john_cephalopodafrinnst: That's why I used finddeps (which uses ldd to find deps).13:15
frinnstthen you need to script it. no tool exist to do that afaik13:15
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tired890hey gents!14:26
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pedjadebugging docbook problems is one of the Unix black arts.20:35
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pedjaCrux would be an ideal oVirt node, being lightweight and robust.20:42
pedjaoVirt=RH answer to Vmware vSphere/vCenter.that's the tagline, anyway.20:45
abenznode? that is, a client/VM right?20:47
abenzif host then I'd imagine you'd bump into requirement issues20:47
abenzeg systemd deps! given its from RH20:47
john_cephalopodaSystemd is horrible.20:53
abenzthats why I'm here ;)20:55
abenzanyone on 4.9rc1 yet?20:55
abenzI'm still on LTS 4.4, but was thinking I'd give 4.9 a go, given its the next LTS20:56
pedjaovirt managment node app is java based, and hypervisor machines need vdsm daemon and libvirt.afaict, systemd is not a hard dependency.21:03
pedjaso, in theory, Crux can be used as a hypervisor node.21:04
pedjaof course, one would have to write a bunch of init scripts...21:10
abenzof course :)21:11
abenzI have systemd on my laptop actually21:11
abenztoo much work to figure out all the power management stuff which is needed to prolong battery life21:11
abenzbut desktops = crux21:12
pedjaabenz: what distro on the laptop?21:14
abenzdebian21:16
retardit just takes an hour with powertop21:17
retardif that21:17
abenzalso laptop has a slow cpu.. not practical to wait an hour for firefox to jump between 49 to 49.1 ..21:18
abenzbut I'm into systemd-less source based distros, crux fits bill perfectly21:19
retardbuild package on desktop, install on laptop21:19
pedjaif your laptop can build FF in an hour, that's hardly a 'slow CPU' :)21:20
abenzhave to be pragmatic with laptop as its work machine21:20
abenzI do a lot of work on my desktop21:20
retardi run crux on my work machine21:20
abenzlikewise21:21
abenzbut not laptop21:21
retardi run crux on my everything actually21:21
abenzwhere I need to go places and meet people21:21
retardgot a ubuntu vm and a windows vm for terrible software like skype or gns321:21
abenzI have win7 VM on my desktop21:22
abenzqemu21:22
abenzI did run crux on laptop for a while21:23
abenzI think power management wasn't that big a deal for me, I switched to debian mainly because of the compile time21:23
abenzwhich is applicable for all source based distros21:23
pedjaI have fbsd on my netbook21:24
pedjamostly to play with zfs on a live hardware21:24
pedjawith 2Gb of ram, it's usable :)21:25
abenzheh21:25
pedjantpasswd should work on win 2k12r2, right?(I forgot the admin pass on that VM)21:28
pedjas/forgot/threw away a post-it note/21:28
john_cephalopodaI'm on 4.6.321:56
john_cephalopodaHaven't updated for some time, it's always a bit tedious to get all the right options when compiling. And every time, the drivers are hidden in a slightly different place.21:56
john_cephalopoda(The kernel, that is)21:57
john_cephalopodaCrux on my desktop, Arch on my laptop21:58
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abenzjohn_cephalopoda: why not copy the .config file?22:02
abenzI have been using the same .config for very long22:02
john_cephalopodaabenz: I could try that.22:02
abenzyou should do that :)22:02
john_cephalopodaBut tomorrow, not in the mood to compile and reboot again :รพ22:03
abenzjohn_cephalopoda: try this:22:03
abenzzcat /proc/config.gz22:04
john_cephalopodaI remember that I configured support for that one the last time I compiled the kernel :D22:04
abenzzcat /proc/config.gz > johns.config22:05
abenzwget <new kernel>22:05
abenzextract, cp john.config .config22:06
abenzmake -j<num of cores>22:06
john_cephalopodaabenz: Can I also use the config in the source dir of the previously compiled kernel?22:06
abenzyup22:06
abenzthats what I usually do22:07
john_cephalopodaAlso I got export MAKEFLAGS="-j8" in my bashrc22:07
pedja'make silentoldconfig' before make, just in case :)22:08
frinnsti usually just run "make oldconfig" and say no to all new drivers22:10
frinnstmake -j8 && sudo make modules_install install && reboot22:11
abenzcp System map and vmlinuz ?22:11
frinnst"make install" does that22:11
abenzah, didn't notice the second install there22:11
frinnstand also runs "lilo" afterwards22:11
frinnstrenames the old vmlinuz to vmlinuz.old, copies the new kernel in its place22:12
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pedjamaking initial config for new m/b is a PITA.but I am doing it once a decade, so...22:21
pedjabut it's still much easier than configuring FreeBSD kernel :)22:23
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